Brexit - whats the difference.....

[09237653]

Juncker says no extension to article 50

And farrige is already furious about it, face it he doesn't want to leave he wants the 'betrayal' narrative so he can lap up his gravy train and brainless supporters for a bit longer.

 

[colinsunderland]

 

[Harry_BKK]

And farrige is already furious about it, face it he doesn't want to leave he wants the 'betrayal' narrative so he can lap up his gravy train and brainless supporters for a bit longer.

The first lie is that Juncker is unelected. The EU Commission President is selected by the European Council and confirmed by the European Parliament, of which 73 members are democratically elected British MEPs!

Second lie - of course, he does not quote the full sentence Juncker said: “We have concluded a deal and so there is not an argument for the delay. It has to be done now...Boris Johnson and myself don’t think it’s possible to give another prolongation. There will be no other.”

The deal was negotiated and agreed to by Johnson's team, what else does Farrage want?

 

[steveh35]

The first lie is that Juncker is unelected. The EU Commission President is selected by the European Council and confirmed by the European Parliament, of which 73 members are democratically elected British MEPs!

Second lie - of course, he does not quote the full sentence Juncker said: “We have concluded a deal and so there is not an argument for the delay. It has to be done now...Boris Johnson and myself don’t think it’s possible to give another prolongation. There will be no other.”

The deal was negotiated and agreed to by Johnson's team, what else does Farrage want?

Unelected by the British public so stop the eye rolling and stop your lying.

He actually said on Sky News he would not extend article 50

so both of your assumptions Harry have been blown out of the water.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Unelected by the British public so stop the eye rolling and stop your lying.

He actually said on Sky News he would not extend article 50

so both of your assumptions Harry have been blown out of the water.

The British public elects the MEPs in a democratic election! That is how Farrage got to Brussels in the first place. I can link you to the relevant pages if you don't believe it!

The European Council which selects the EU president consists of all democratically elected heads of state. Last time I checked, the British public still does elect their PM. Or maybe not? ......Please, outline here for everyone how you "elected" Boris Johnson as your PM? Hmmmm, I am pretty sure it wasn't the British public.

As for your second assumption - the emphasis on Juncker's statement is on: "Boris Johnson and myself don’t think it’s possible to give another prolongation." There you go, I even highlighted it for you, so you don't have to remove your EU-hate goggles to read properly.

 

[goatwack]

DEFCON 2!

TRIPLE EYEROLL ALERT!

 

[TheAddict]

Harry heading out after battling in korea & brexit thread

 

[Harry_BKK]

DEFCON 2!

TRIPLE EYEROLL ALERT!

Well, it is just about enough of this nonsense.

Most posters here were adamant: LEAVE, DEAL OR NO DEAL! Anything, but just leave on 31st October 2019.

Now Boris himself got a deal, and the same people are protesting that the EU does not offer another extension. How much more will you need to make your mind up?

 

[goatwack]

Well, it is just about enough of this nonsense.

Most posters here were adamant: LEAVE, DEAL OR NO DEAL! Anything, but just leave on 31st October 2019.

Now Boris himself got a deal, and the same people are protesting that the EU does not offer another extension. How much more will you need to make your mind up?

Just the one then

We must be blood-brothers

 

[steveh35]

The British public elects the MEPs in a democratic election! That is how Farrage got to Brussels in the first place. I can link you to the relevant pages if you don't believe it!

The European Council which selects the EU president consists of all democratically elected heads of state. Last time I checked, the British public still does elect their PM. Or maybe not? ......Please, outline here for everyone how you "elected" Boris Johnson as your PM? Hmmmm, I am pretty sure it wasn't the British public.

As for your second assumption - the emphasis on Juncker's statement is on: "Boris Johnson and myself don’t think it’s possible to give another prolongation." There you go, I even highlighted it for you, so you don't have to remove your EU-hate goggles to read properly.

You are a fool Harry the UK has always elected a party not the leader, the British people do not elect the Eu president not have any say over who it is.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Harry heading out after battling in korea & brexit thread


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Sorry, haven't had a car in over a decade. So you got the wrong guy there!

 

[TheAddict]

Just a dig at the eye rolling

 

[Harry_BKK]

You are a fool Harry the UK has always elected a party not the leader, the British people do not elect the Eu president not have any say over who it is.

You also elect a party to the European Parliament just like for your own parliament!

Geez, I shall outline it in more simpler words next time, just to make it easier for you to comprehend!

 

[steveh35]

You also elect a party to the European Parliament just like for your own parliament!

Geez, I shall outline it in more simpler words next time, just to make it easier for you to comprehend!

You elect a party knowing who is leader Boris has offered an election the other parties will not allow an election you do not elect an EU MEP knowing who the president will be FACT.

 

[goatwack]

I warned Harry about crossing streams

 

[Harry_BKK]

You elect a party knowing who is leader Boris has offered an election the other parties will not allow an election you do not elect an EU MEP knowing who the president will be FACT.

I shall leave you to sully in your "election" fantasy.

Fact is, if you voted Conservative in the last election, you voted to have May as PM and had no clue whatsoever at the time that it will be Boris one day. Or did you have a crystal ball telling you that Boris will take over?

 

[steveh35]

I shall leave you to sully in your "election" fantasy.

Fact is, if you voted Conservative in the last election, you voted to have May as PM and had no clue whatsoever at the time that it will be Boris one day. Or did you have a crystal ball telling you that Boris will take over?

DO YOU READ I said Boris has offered an election it isn't his fault the traitors on the opposition refuse to have an election.

 

[bluebirdy]

I shall leave you to sully in your "election" fantasy.

Fact is, if you voted Conservative in the last election, you voted to have May as PM and had no clue whatsoever at the time that it will be Boris one day. Or did you have a crystal ball telling you that Boris will take over?

lol really

 

[09237653]

Private eye this week:

 

[mack341]

I don't like this idea of parliament sitting on saturday, it's adding more silly melodrama for the media and hacks 'ooh this has only happened once before' to what should be a dry decision.

I'm sensing it's the sort of compromise agreement our uk govts always seem to do, where neither side of an issue (remainers or leavers) are happy with the result.

If the unionist northern Irish voters are by and large happy with it to go forward, then I'd support it but if not then no.

edit: just read a comment elsewhere that if this deal isn't passed a rigged referendum could be the next thing on the cards, so on that basis I'd have to take this deal, to go back into the EU, paying them billions, doesn't bare thinking about.

 

[geordiecolin]

Is this thread still going? I never thought it would have legs!

 

[geordiecolin]

PS. I want a no agreement followed by an election to boot out all of those MP's who said one thing prior to them getting elected only to fight for the other. Then a no deal exit.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I voted leave, but the last couple of years (buggered up and caved in to the EU in negotiations) have shown us to be far from the country we hoped or thought that we were. We've been outplayed and outmanoeuvred at every turn.

Our "Parliament" also appears to be populated with idiots, and we're hopelessly divided. Zero confidence that we have the capability to move forward successfully outside of the EU at this point.

Would not personally object to Brexit being filed under the "just too difficult and expensive to do" category, like major DIY house renovations. Sad.

This is a very good, and admirably self-aware post.

The UK took a butter knife to a gun fight.

The EU have some of the best, most seasoned, hard-headed negotiators in the world with decades of experience, we sent David Davis.

The Deal that has been negotiated is awful for the UK, whilst ticking all the EU's boxes perfectly. A NI-only backstop was originally their idea but we pushed for the full UK backstop, and now Johnson is hailing his 'success' in 'negotiating' what was the EU's idea in the first place.

Yeah, I wonder why this didn't work out well.....

 

[mack341]

I did wonder with this backstop, that boris has basically altered it from being an insurance policy that would come into effect if a full trade deal couldn't be agreed within two years, to just bringing it in straightaway but plonking it in the sea [maybe near to the IOM my geography isn't great though]

I've always partly disliked boris, the bluster etc..is a bull*******s ploy, when we're dealing with complicated and important issues, if he came to you looking for an investment in a business scheme, most would run a mile.

 

[goatwack]

*breaking news*

Boris Johnson climbing Big Ben

 

[dunover]

I did wonder with this backstop, that boris has basically altered it from being an insurance policy that would come into effect if a full trade deal couldn't be agreed within two years, to just bringing it in straightaway but plonking it in the sea [maybe near to the IOM my geography isn't great though]

I've always partly disliked boris, the bluster etc..is a bull*******s ploy, when we're dealing with complicated and important issues, if he came to you looking for an investment in a business scheme, most would run a mile.

And he plays Big Time Gaming slots...

 

[goatwack]

Michel Barnier wasn't actually serious when saying this is part of the deal btw

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[dunover]

Michel Barnier wasn't actually serious when saying this is part of the deal btw

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No, but he was in this meeting:

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Here's a thought, if the referendum had been the question:

Do you wish to remain in the EU or leave the EU with this deal?

What would you have gone for?

i.e. If the leave option had been to leave with the Johnson deal, a deal that basically everyone agrees is fucking dreadful.

 

[steveh35]

Here's a thought, if the referendum had been the question:

Do you wish to remain in the EU or leave the EU with this deal?

What would you have gone for?

i.e. If the leave option had been to leave with the Johnson deal, a deal that basically everyone agrees is fucking dreadful.

You are Oliver Letwin and I claim my fiver.

I would vote to leave anything is better than being under the dictatorship of the EU and it's unelected leaders.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The EU really isn't anything remotely resembling a dictatorship.

And 'anything' is better than the UK being a member of the EU? Literally anything?

 

[steveh35]

The EU really isn't anything remotely resembling a dictatorship.

And 'anything' is better than the UK being a member of the EU? Literally anything?

The EU IS a dictatorship this has been proved countless times over the last 3 years and beyond especially with their language on Northern Ireland a country which is part of the UK but you would think they had a God given right to decide it's future when it is up to the UK to decide on it's territory.

The EU has done nothing but dictate about the Island of Ireland throughout the withdraw discussions.

 

[Matti]

I would vote to leave anything is better than being under the dictatorship of the EU and it's unelected leaders.

Have you elected Boris Johnson to lead the UK?

 

[steveh35]

Have you elected Boris Johnson to lead the UK?

Please read back to the pages yesterday, we elect an MP of a party which has a leader, the leader we elected was Theresa May, Theresa May quit Boris asked for a general election was refused due to the fixed parliament act therefore it is Corbyn, Swinson & Sturgeon who are keeping Boris in No.10 not the people who have a right to a general election in fact I would like it to be law that a general election is triggered when a prime minister resigns.

 

[goatwack]

Jacob Rees-Mogg talking about the deal being 'one can eat with joy and pleasure'

cuckoo

cuckoo

 

[vorcirion]

The EU IS a dictatorship this has been proved countless times over the last 3 years and beyond especially with their language on Northern Ireland a country which is part of the UK but you would think they had a God given right to decide it's future when it is up to the UK to decide on it's territory.

The EU has done nothing but dictate about the Island of Ireland throughout the withdraw discussions.

Guess sucks to be you. EU is more powerful than you and I'm happy it's using its leverage to do what's best for Ireland and for the EU. Hopefully the same comes true with the new trade deal.

 

[Oscar Arnhem]

I hope that after the Brexit,there wil be a Nexit

 

[steveh35]

Guess sucks to be you. EU is more powerful than you and I'm happy it's using its leverage to do what's best for Ireland and for the EU. Hopefully the same comes true with the new trade deal.

Leverage? hmmm the best for Ireland under their terms not any of the 27 members what's best for the over rich over entitled leaders of the EU thank goodness the old drunk Juncker is going in 2 weeks they might actually get taken more seriously when he has gone.

 

[mack341]

I quite liked rees mogg before when he was being honest, now he's trying to treat the public like idiots, with his tongue firmly up boris's arse.

I don't like this deal, but it's probably take this or have another referendum. Hardcore EU fanatics like blair will be waiting in the wings pushing for another vote.

Apparently the govt is bringing forward a voter id bill, requiring voters to produce photo id, this could have an effect on the outcome of a 2nd vote, and if so, the timing to me is questionable as to be a coincidence.

 

[goatwack]

No.10 Source:

"Govt will delay vote on deal to Tuesday if MPs approve amendment forcing PM to seek an extension to Brexit"

 

[sledge13]

The new Letwin bill sums up anti democratic remainers in a nutshell, even over 3 years later they still won't accept the result of the biggest ever referendum vote ever....

Yes complete traitors!

....and voter photo id? fantastic, stops fraud which has gone on in Birmingham and London local voting...anyone can walk in and just say an address, fraud is easy, stopped with photo id, only those wanting to cheat would be against it.

 

[Matti]

If the Brits don't approve the deal offered I hope that the EU don't offer a new extension. Enough is enough. The UK is just a burden for the EU at this point.

 

[dunover]

Have you elected Boris Johnson to lead the UK?

In the UK you elect a party to govern, not a president. The choice of PM is down to that party should the PM resign during office.

 

[Matti]

In the UK you elect a party to govern, not a president. The choice of PM is down to that party should the PM resign during office.

I realize that and I don't think the way EU does it is that much different. It is done by leaders that we have elected. Just like the ones elected appoint who will be your PM.
I don't agree that EU is a dictatorship that some members on this forum claims. That's why I did my post.

Now please leave

 

[cncas2123]

If the Brits don't approve the deal offered I hope that the EU don't offer a new extension. Enough is enough. The UK is just a burden for the EU at this point.

Would love to see the look on the remoaners faces if that happens........

 

[Gaz237]

Can't believe we are now looking at an extension, after todays vote, with Lib/lab calling for a 2nd Referendum.

This country has become a laughing stock.

 

[dunover]

If the Brits don't approve the deal offered I hope that the EU don't offer a new extension. Enough is enough. The UK is just a burden for the EU at this point.

So do I hope they refuse an extension. Parliament has had enough chances to vote through a deal.

 

[Gaz237]

So do I hope they refuse an extension. Parliament has had enough chances to vote through a deal.

I think the EU will turn down an extension and that will force Parliament to vote through Boris's deal.

This has gone on so long it's affecting EU countries now.

Then we can have a election to get rid of the hung parliament shambles.

 

[Harry_BKK]

And here was me thinking that the British stallion would finally take the "huge" 1-inch high hurdle. But once again, he refused to jump.

This nonsense might see you still being part of the EU in 2050.

 

[goatwack]

Well that went well

Woo!