Brexit - whats the difference.....

[steveh35]

I wonder if there is any other country where the electoral system allows a sitting government to in effect be the opposition and sat in the prime ministeral/presidental home and not be running the country, I am sure other countries must have a system in place, the fixed term act has now shown that if the government loses a majority there is no way to stop an opposition party from taking over unofficially and not having to call an election for a number of years there should be a claus in the act where if a government loses it's majority and cannot function an election should be automatic.

We are now in effect living under prime minister Corbyn and there is nothing anyone of us can do to change this until 2022.

 

[steveh35]

@dunover will love this.

The impartial BBC are reporting that Lego will have no problems with supplies this year at Christmas due to Brexit as the company imports it's bricks from mainland Europe.

Thank goodness that Lego will still be available for all those kids who will be excitedly waiting for a lego brick on Christmas Day.

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[steveh35]

Scottish Judge rules Suspending parliament is lawful, it might be a bit more egg in the face of Boris if it is all for nothing.

 

[dunover]

@dunover will love this.

The impartial BBC are reporting that Lego will have no problems with supplies this year at Christmas due to Brexit as the company imports it's bricks from mainland Europe.

Thank goodness that Lego will still be available for all those kids who will be excitedly waiting for a lego brick on Christmas Day.

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Lego is actually a British invention, although people associate it with Denmark. The daft moo who invented those bricks only patented them in the UK and not worldwide, hence Lego taking it up. And that happened before the bloody Common Market/E-USSR.
Doc Martens are German, although people think they're a UK invention. For once, it was actually the British who got a good idea from a European whose manufacturers never bought into it.

We need to import another 2,000 migrants to be trained as counsellors on behalf of the NHS, ready for the thousands of catatonically depressed kids after Christmas.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I see the UK is on its way in joining Mr T's US as the laughing stock of the world.

One of you guys said: "Johnson got the attention of the EU" ...... what attention can that be when he can't even get his own house into order? And still no new proposal from Boris, you would have thought he has that prepared, after all, he had three years time.

All the best for your departure.....*cough* extension at the end of October. Either way, it will be utter chaos at the direction of Boris. His gamble to be celebrated as the saviour of the UK won't pay off, well, at least not so easy as he had planned a few years ago.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Just popping in to say I loved the theatrics on BBC Parliament the past few days, keep it up

 

[dunover]

It's stoooopid!

We now have a minority govt. Our PM has had his aces removed from any negotiations via the 'Surrender Bill'.
Logically, a general election should ensue. But the snakes of the LD's, Liebore will be punished by the electorate for their treachery and they are terrified he'll win with a big enough majority to make their treason irrelevant, therefore won't approve one.

So to get a GE Boris would have to do something totally bizarre and call for a no-confidence vote in HIMSELF! Which would then ironically be voted down by the snakes for reasons cited above.

So we are in the state of a continuum-limbo.

The only way I can see out of this is if he proposes a second legally-binding referendum to leave with or without the present deal.. Of course, the snakes would vote that down as they don't believe in democracy when it comes down to it (despite them frequently mouthing the word) but would rather reverse the original democratic referendum in many cases. And this is what it all comes down to - opposition MP's refusing to accept the Leave decision, however they try and hide the fact.

We should have a 'people's march' on Westminster and incarcerate them in the Tower while the pragmatists sort it out.

 

[steveh35]

Can anyone answer the question why did Boris not Porogue parliament this week instead of next before all this happened?
Is there a time limit on calling a poraogue why did he choose week of the 9 September?
Also could Boris go to The Queen and ask her to dissolve the government as he has no mandate surely it is her government and she has overall say to end it?

 

[Harry_BKK]

It's stoooopid!

We now have a minority govt. Our PM has had his aces removed from any negotiations via the 'Surrender Bill'.
Logically, a general election should ensue. But the snakes of the LD's, Liebore will be punished by the electorate for their treachery and they are terrified he'll win with a big enough majority to make their treason irrelevant, therefore won't approve one.

So to get a GE Boris would have to do something totally bizarre and call for a no-confidence vote in HIMSELF! Which would then ironically be voted down by the snakes for reasons cited above.

So we are in the state of a continuum-limbo.

The only way I can see out of this is if he proposes a second legally-binding referendum to leave with or without the present deal.. Of course, the snakes would vote that down as they don't believe in democracy when it comes down to it (despite them frequently mouthing the word) but would rather reverse the original democratic referendum in many cases. And this is what it all comes down to - opposition MP's refusing to accept the Leave decision, however they try and hide the fact.

We should have a 'people's march' on Westminster and incarcerate them in the Tower while the pragmatists sort it out.

But dazza this was all totally predictable, I am not in the slightest surprised that it has come to this utter chaos.

Boris bragged that he has "creative alternatives" to the backstop up his sleeve, yet to date he has not presented a single shred. You would think he would take up the post as PM with something readily prepared but as it looks now there is nothing at all other than the bickering and political games in parliament.

I dare a prediction to say the UK will not leave on the 31st October 19.

 

[steveh35]

Can anyone answer the question why did Boris not Porogue parliament this week instead of next before all this happened?
Is there a time limit on calling a poraogue why did he choose week of the 9 September?
Also could Boris go to The Queen and ask her to dissolve the government as he has no mandate surely it is her government and she has overall say to end it?

Just read up on this and under the fixed term parliaments act 2011 the right to dissolve parliament was removed from The Queen when the bill became law so that opportunity has also been removed.

The fixed terms parliaments Act has really put this country into a ridiculous situation, it should be the first thing that is amended or removed after this mess is sorted.

 

[goatwack]

And with that, Jo Johnson resigned (sob)

Also love how the traitorous whips are having others plead on their behalf! What's Kenneth Clarke supposed to do now?!? Other than watch Betamax of his glory days in the '70s

 

[pinnit2014]

Just popping in to say I loved the theatrics on BBC Parliament the past few days, keep it up

Oi... get u back to the Bonanza thread; there’s true work to be done there: 5000x

 

[Mouche12]

We should have a 'people's march' on Westminster and incarcerate them in the Tower while the pragmatists sort it out.

... you're joking, of course, as this would be very undemocratic...

 

[09237653]

Getting through a lot of Brexit popcorn this week, it's been glorious.

 

[slotplayer]

Hotel California Baby!
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

 

[goatwack]

If BoJo wants this GE to purge the insurgents in Westminster, there's still a couple of golden options on the table -

Call a vote of No Confidence in himself, or resign. Woop woop!

 

[Borgie]

BoJos brother is better looking not hard

 

[goatwack]

He's like a stretched-out, sane version of Boris

 

[Borgie]

He's like a stretched-out, sane version of Boris

No politician is sane

 

[goatwack]

No politician is sane

Trump is!

Aw come on

 

[Borgie]

Trump is!

Aw come on

Him and Boris have smashing hair !

 

[mack341]

We're still waiting in the shires for brexit, there's no way we can ever go back to how things were, bojo needs to pull his finger out and start thinking outside the box. He should have offered an olive branch to sir nigel by now, his voters are signing up to the brexit party and donating money, so wake up and stop mucking about. Corbum had him on the ropes yesterday in pm's questions, it was embarrasing to watch.

A general election won't benefit the tories until they set out their plans and agree a way forward with nigel. As things stand they are going to split their electorate, and labour and lib dems could then slip in and forge a coalition. Conservatives need to start being conservative and upholding traditional values, not serve up more of this BS we've had for the last 30 years.

 

[pinnit2014]

We're still waiting in the shires for brexit, there's no way we can ever go back to how things were, bojo needs to pull his finger out and start thinking outside the box. He should have offered an olive branch to sir nigel by now, his voters are signing up to the brexit party and donating money, so wake up and stop mucking about. Corbum had him on the ropes yesterday in pm's questions, it was embarrasing to watch.

A general election won't benefit the tories until they set out their plans and agree a way forward with nigel. As things stand they are going to split their electorate, and labour and lib dems could then slip in and forge a coalition. Conservatives need to start being conservative and upholding traditional values, not serve up more of this BS we've had for the last 30 years.

Surely the Lib Dem’s wouldn’t go into a coalition for power, just for power sake?

Pretty sure if the Devil was in power they’d offer to carry his tuning fork around.

Really need to think about changing their name as they’re neither liberal, nor democratic.

 

[Jammie_Ch]

Interesting that politics and Brexit are discussed even here.

 

[steveh35]

Surely the Lib Dem’s wouldn’t go into a coalition for power, just for power sake?

Pretty sure if the Devil was in power they’d offer to carry his tuning fork around.

Really need to think about changing their name as they’re neither liberal, nor democratic.

The Libs are a strange lot they can never win power under our electoral system but as was proved in 2011 they can share it even with just a few seats which is incentive for any political party and they also showed that sharing power loses you friends and supporters, ironically Brexit has saved the Lib Dems from obscurity.

We live in a weird democracy where the party with the highest seats is in effect not running the show, but a party with 16 seats, the Lib Dems, can bring a law into place that stops a no deal brexit while the party that had 311 seats could not legislate and a party with 10 mp's the DUP could dictate and prop up the Conservatives.

 

[sledge13]

Here is a prime example of a disgraceful antidemocrtic remainer, from the disgusting Labour party of course....

 

[steveh35]

Here is a prime example of a disgraceful antidemocrtic remainer, from the disgusting Labour party of course....

I am very surprised this hasn't got more news coverage basically Emily Thornberry stated she would go to the EU negotiate a better deal with the EU then campaign to remain.

 

[sledge13]

Correct, the media bias at work, pro EU anti Boris....should be the main headline.

 

[steveh35]

Gina Miller loses court case against parliament's suspension but given right to appeal.

Appeal will be heard 17 September

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[sledge13]

What a piece of trash she is? who the fk pays for it all?

 

[dunover]

Here is a prime example of a disgraceful antidemocrtic remainer, from the disgusting Labour party of course....

She was the one on QT about 8 weeks ago who suggested a referendum on deal or no deal to solve the issue, not about remaining. Changed her tune pretty fast.

 

[steveh35]

What a piece of trash she is? who the fk pays for it all?

Crowdfunding, foolish rich types like Branson who will spend any amount to keep us in their EU.

 

[steveh35]

Rebel mp's refuse a democratic election again. Its gonna comeback to haunt them big style.

 

[goatwack]

It's quite clear we'll go cap in hand asking for an extension. Theresa May looked fairly optimistic at the beginning too and found things 'difficult' over the years. A couple of months in and Boris looks more stern than Robert Mugabe

 

[goatwack]

Wetherspoons have dared to cut the costs of a pint, citing that leaving the Customs Union might have some flipside benefits, such as cutting out EU tariffs for example

The crone 'interviewing' Tim Martin was giving him so much shit you could almost - almost - sense Sky News' agenda to try and discredit him and signal their Remain intent. It was very subtle

 

[09237653]

Here is a prime example of a disgraceful antidemocrtic remainer, from the disgusting Labour party of course....

But yet you respect Jacob Reese Mogg and his antics this week? I'm no fan of Labour but the Conservatives are on a whole other level of pisstaking at the moment.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Correct, the media bias at work, pro EU anti Boris....should be the main headline.

Boris should probably try to be Boris and not act like a bad carbon copy of Trump with his played up theatrics and foolish behaviour. He went to Eton and Oxford, not Trump College.

 

[goatwack]

He would do well to be more of a girly swot

 

[Mr_Slot5]

The issue is, the hardcore remainers are not seeing the bigger picture here. By stifling Brexit, dragging their heels etc they're storing up a lot of resentment amongst 75% ish of the electorate I.e the moderates and the Brexiteers.

They may be back slapping each other at the moment but I feel reality may bring them crashing down to earth when Labour et al are trounced at the inevitable election.

 

[dealer wins]

A rare moment of genuine lol in a sea of total (excuse my language) cunts

 

[steveh35]

The rebels are now preparing to take Boris to court to force him to go back to the EU for an extension date, if Boris refuses he could be found in contempt of court and jailed.

What a ridiculous circus we find ourselves in, I hope one of the EU 27 refuses the extension and then see where the idiot rebels find themselves.

 

[mack341]

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The times articles are normally behind a paywall but this 'comment' piece isn't, farage is basically a conservative, and the brexit party voters conservatives, so there should be no real obstacles to working together with a boris led conservative party.

The remainer bill just passed is a joke, it even stipulates the wording for the letter boris must write to the EU. [the whole thing resembles a south american junta taking power, which would sit right at home with corbum and his marxist chancellor]

The honorable thing to do here would be to agree a general election and let the public decide, but it seems honour and integrity are qualities severely lacking amongst many mp's.

 

[steveh35]

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The times articles are normally behind a paywall but this 'comment' piece isn't, farage is basically a conservative, and the brexit party voters conservatives, so there should be no real obstacles to working together with a boris led conservative party.

The remainer bill just passed is a joke, it even stipulates the wording for the letter boris must write to the EU. [the whole thing resembles a south american junta taking power, which would sit right at home with corbum and his marxist chancellor]

The honorable thing to do here would be to agree a general election and let the public decide, but it seems honour and integrity are qualities severely lacking amongst many mp's.

Farage is a Conservative who is liked by Labour voters which is a strange position to be in, it also an advantage, if Labour/Libs/SNP etc can do a deal together why can't Boris & Nigel.

Farage has already suggested he could fight the Northern seats where the Tories have no hope and leave the Tories to fight their own safe seats.

Seems an ideal plan but I don't think Cummings really wants to use Farage he wants to do this by himself and Tories/Brexit will end up splitting the vote.

 

[mack341]

Farage is a Conservative who is liked by Labour voters which is a strange position to be in, it also an advantage, if Labour/Libs/SNP etc can do a deal together why can't Boris & Nigel.

Farage has already suggested he could fight the Northern seats where the Tories have no hope and leave the Tories to fight their own safe seats.

Seems an ideal plan but I don't think Cummings really wants to use Farage he wants to do this by himself and Tories/Brexit will end up splitting the vote.

Yes it seems he is not fond of farage, watched a vid of cummings the other day, discussing his role and strategies in the vote leave campaign, and I got the distinct sense he feels farage is like marmite whereas in reality farage is probably more down to earth and likeable than he is. But cummings has boris's ear now and I just wonder whether it was his longstanding antipathy towards farage that meant the establishment didn't oppose boris appointing him...

Maybe Nige's vision of the uk running itself outside of the EU's influence and control is too hardcore for the way the real world works, the forces against us having a clean break from the EU too great. So some sort of compromise, half in and half out, will be made.

And then when the demographics of the country change even further down the line, a new referendum will be called and the uk will vote to rejoin the EU dictatorship, that's a pessimistic view but I fear likely. The govt and media are putting in place measures to control the internet, so the brainwashing effect of their propaganda, with nothing to oppose it, will only become stronger.

 

[goatwack]

What's Remainers' & t'Labour's next strategy if Boris and The Farage team up. Dox Farage? Put him under house arrest?

Make up a brand-new Bill in Parliament, the 'anti- BoFa Bill'?

Maybe they could show the country some more of how unpatriotic they are, and how they're willing to set the country back by sabotaging its wishes and riling up its electorate. Perhaps they can cup their ears and just shout "lalalalala" until they get THEIR way

I really hope Boris calls a vote of NC in himself/ resigns, just to trigger a GE. Imagine how happy voters will be having had t'Labour & Co thwart Brexit at every turn! No wonder bwaak bwaak chicken-foot Corbyn's been trying to dodge one

 

[thr0b]

Farage has never won a Westminster seat in his life. The Tories have nothing to gain from an allegiance with him. His party is falling in the polls anyway. He’s a toxic fascist who has radicalised a couple of million.

Right now, a clear parliamentary majority is in control of parliamentary business, and because the Prime Minister has shown himself to be a liar and untrustworthy.

Whatever you think of his motives, you have to question why he and his team would not sign sworn witness statements for the recent court cases.

And if he’s happy to lie to court, he’s happy to lie to his opposition. And he’s happy to lie to you.

This government is the first to ever be found in contempt of parliament.

Their austerity policies have been found to be in breach of UN Human Rights.

This government has refused to use millions provided to the UK by the EU over several years. Cash which was provided to help child poverty. They have chosen not to spend it.

There is no majority for No Deal. Never has been. There was a small majority to leave the EU, but again - if the vote had been binding, it would have been voided due to the wide scale electoral fraud and foreign interference found.

The referendum has always been a handy reference for “will of the people” types, but invoking A50 was a choice made by parliament. Which is, and always has been sovereign.

The referendum could have been entirely ignored without any legal impact, as it was an opinion poll. Noting more. Yet this small majority apparently means that the 48% who said we should remain are not entitled to an opinion on how we should leave.

More sensible people would have ignored it as well. Or chosen to leave over a period of years and by treaties, rather than forcing a two year deadline that is and was impossible to achieve without putting trade, food and medicine supplies at risk.

To put it another way - her majesty’s opposition just passed a law to stop the government choosing to put people’s lives at risk. And for some reason, that annoys people.

How many deaths are acceptable to make leaving the EU worth it?

 

[steveh35]

Farage has never won a Westminster seat in his life. The Tories have nothing to gain from an allegiance with him. His party is falling in the polls anyway. He’s a toxic fascist who has radicalised a couple of million.

Right now, a clear parliamentary majority is in control of parliamentary business, and because the Prime Minister has shown himself to be a liar and untrustworthy.

Whatever you think of his motives, you have to question why he and his team would not sign sworn witness statements for the recent court cases.

And if he’s happy to lie to court, he’s happy to lie to his opposition. And he’s happy to lie to you.

This government is the first to ever be found in contempt of parliament.

Their austerity policies have been found to be in breach of UN Human Rights.

This government has refused to use millions provided to the UK by the EU over several years. Cash which was provided to help child poverty. They have chosen not to spend it.

There is no majority for No Deal. Never has been. There was a small majority to leave the EU, but again - if the vote had been binding, it would have been voided due to the wide scale electoral fraud and foreign interference found.

The referendum has always been a handy reference for “will of the people” types, but invoking A50 was a choice made by parliament. Which is, and always has been sovereign.

The referendum could have been entirely ignored without any legal impact, as it was an opinion poll. Noting more. Yet this small majority apparently means that the 48% who said we should remain are not entitled to an opinion on how we should leave.

More sensible people would have ignored it as well. Or chosen to leave over a period of years and by treaties, rather than forcing a two year deadline that is and was impossible to achieve without putting trade, food and medicine supplies at risk.

To put it another way - her majesty’s opposition just passed a law to stop the government choosing to put people’s lives at risk. And for some reason, that annoys people.

How many deaths are acceptable to make leaving the EU worth it?

Never read such a bunch of crap in my life, there are really people who think like the above that is very scary.

 

[thr0b]

I know. You can prove anything with facts.

 

[sledge13]

Dan, what a load of garbage, yes i'm sure the unelected millionaires of the EU have our best interests at heart.

While our pm now has threats of prison for trying to uphold the biggest democratic vote in UK history...

Remainers - mental help required.

 

[goatwack]

......... watched a vid of cummings the other day

To be fair, I do most days