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I'm pretty sure they've discovered refrigeration in France.
Brexit - whats the difference.....
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I see Johnson is filling his cabinet with the brightest and best.
So we have Gavin Williamson as Education Secretary, a man who was sacked 85 days ago by May for a National Security Council leak.
Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, a man who was surprised to discover that England is separated from France by water.
And Priti Patel who was sacked as International Development Secretary for holding secret off-the-books meetings with senior Israeli officials whilst on a 'family holiday'. She's now Home Secretary.
This is all fine.
So we have Gavin Williamson as Education Secretary, a man who was sacked 85 days ago by May for a National Security Council leak.
Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, a man who was surprised to discover that England is separated from France by water.
And Priti Patel who was sacked as International Development Secretary for holding secret off-the-books meetings with senior Israeli officials whilst on a 'family holiday'. She's now Home Secretary.
This is all fine.
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Is that the best you can do Chopley that is very amateur even for you make a note in your diary "must try harder".
Remainers: Shall we start with Tom Watson Labour remainer in shadow cabinet and supporter of a lying paedophile who ruined the reputation of many public figures.
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It's good to see rees mogg sat on the front bench, I probably don't agree with all his economic ideas but I like his calm logical style. Just watching bojo's first address to the commons and he's doing quite a good job, he's fairly combative and also uses humour, I can see him gaining ground over labour. He has a 'force of nature' feel to him which pulls people along and energises things, he certainly can't do a worse job than many who preceded him, blair, cameron et al.
Corbyn on now and he's coming across as a spoiler, the working class in the majority of the country voted to leave not the elites, he's got it ass about face. Labour is just too dim in terms of mp intelligence, they maybe well meaning but just not convincing in a 'business' sense.
Corbyn on now and he's coming across as a spoiler, the working class in the majority of the country voted to leave not the elites, he's got it ass about face. Labour is just too dim in terms of mp intelligence, they maybe well meaning but just not convincing in a 'business' sense.
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Amazing really, Boris has got them in a tizzy and he's not even PM yet!
Strange thing when a blonde-mopped buffoon hustles more than Theresa 'breaking voice' May did in three+ years
Reports of the EU being in a tizzy at Johnson's amazing charisma and can-do spirit may have been overstated......
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The EU are in a tizzy because he isn't the pushover May was, he won't back down and they are in for a shock when they realise that he is well prepared and will go for a no deal no matter what it takes. Ireland will be crapping themselves when October 31 is on the horizon and they heading for no deal.
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Johnson - 'Do what I want or I'll blow my country's head off'
EU - 'Errrr, cool, I suppose'
The EU are far more prepared for No Deal than we are, yes it'll hurt them, but we'll hurt ourselves far more.
I guess the good thing about this is that there are no more excuses, there's a full Leave Prime Minister and a full Leave cabinet, so there can be no more accusations of 'closet Remainers' deliberately messing everything up. This is Johnson's mess now, and he's going to have to own it.
EU - 'Errrr, cool, I suppose'
The EU are far more prepared for No Deal than we are, yes it'll hurt them, but we'll hurt ourselves far more.
I guess the good thing about this is that there are no more excuses, there's a full Leave Prime Minister and a full Leave cabinet, so there can be no more accusations of 'closet Remainers' deliberately messing everything up. This is Johnson's mess now, and he's going to have to own it.
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Good analysis of what Johnson's gameplan may be. (Pinched from Twitter.)
This was posted yesterday, BEFORE the initial rebuff from the EU about reopening the Deal. (i.e. It's already coming true.)
This may well be nonsense (it was ever thus...); but PM Johnson seems to have a plan. It gives me no pleasure to say this, but it will be difficult to stop. 1/
The plan is not what some might expect. He is more interested in power than in Brexit. His aim (so I argue here) is to fight, and win, a GE, and to obtain a mandate for the next five years. 2/
The way he approaches Brexit should not be seen as cakeist and naive. In policy terms it is: but the thing is that his Brexit plan is not intended to succeed. Instead, it is only intended to create the narrative around which a GE can be won. 3/
First, he will go 'our EU friends', appealing to their economic self-interest, demanding things he knows he cannot get. He will present himself as a 'can-do dealer'... whose plan has only been thwarted by intransigence in Brussels. 4/
Watch for the sharp shift in tone (which will come when the time is judged to be right). Erstwhile friends in the EU will become public enemy number one. The UK will be strong and confident. In extremis, we go it alone, and leave without a deal. 5/
But the plan is not to leave without a deal in October. That, as he knows, would cause huge disruption, and would not augur well for him as PM. The plan is to be ready to leave... but then to be thwarted by public enemy number two, the remainer Parliament. 6/
He will provoke the moderate Tories. He probably knows that they require quite a lot of provoking. He will not seek to undermine the confidence of the Labour Party and the Lib Dems. But he will starve the Brexit Party of political space. 7/
He wants to be able to fight a general election, as the man who is standing up for the British people; against the twin evils of the EU and the remain establishment. Vote Leave (and Dom Cummings) have, remember, done this unexpectedly successfully once before. 8/
To win, he needs to neuter the Brexit Party (I suspect that the jury is out on whether to offer some sort of pact or to opt for a more aggressive strategy), and bank on the fact that the 'remain' opposition will remain disunited. 9/
All this points, as I said a couple of days ago, to an Autumn general election. It is consistent with the UK's inability to concretise Brexit - both his 'new deal' and his 'no deal' will remain stubbornly undefined until after the GE. 10/
He has a good chance of success. The difficult task of delivering Brexit is deferred to the far side of a general election... and by then, who knows what the options may be. He can cross that bridge when he comes to it. 11/
The easiest way to stop this plan is to prevent him from winning the GE. That depends on the opposition working together. Looking at the relationships between Corbyn, Sturgeon, Swinson and Lucas; Johnson might well calculate that he has nothing to fear. 12/12
This was posted yesterday, BEFORE the initial rebuff from the EU about reopening the Deal. (i.e. It's already coming true.)
This may well be nonsense (it was ever thus...); but PM Johnson seems to have a plan. It gives me no pleasure to say this, but it will be difficult to stop. 1/
The plan is not what some might expect. He is more interested in power than in Brexit. His aim (so I argue here) is to fight, and win, a GE, and to obtain a mandate for the next five years. 2/
The way he approaches Brexit should not be seen as cakeist and naive. In policy terms it is: but the thing is that his Brexit plan is not intended to succeed. Instead, it is only intended to create the narrative around which a GE can be won. 3/
First, he will go 'our EU friends', appealing to their economic self-interest, demanding things he knows he cannot get. He will present himself as a 'can-do dealer'... whose plan has only been thwarted by intransigence in Brussels. 4/
Watch for the sharp shift in tone (which will come when the time is judged to be right). Erstwhile friends in the EU will become public enemy number one. The UK will be strong and confident. In extremis, we go it alone, and leave without a deal. 5/
But the plan is not to leave without a deal in October. That, as he knows, would cause huge disruption, and would not augur well for him as PM. The plan is to be ready to leave... but then to be thwarted by public enemy number two, the remainer Parliament. 6/
He will provoke the moderate Tories. He probably knows that they require quite a lot of provoking. He will not seek to undermine the confidence of the Labour Party and the Lib Dems. But he will starve the Brexit Party of political space. 7/
He wants to be able to fight a general election, as the man who is standing up for the British people; against the twin evils of the EU and the remain establishment. Vote Leave (and Dom Cummings) have, remember, done this unexpectedly successfully once before. 8/
To win, he needs to neuter the Brexit Party (I suspect that the jury is out on whether to offer some sort of pact or to opt for a more aggressive strategy), and bank on the fact that the 'remain' opposition will remain disunited. 9/
All this points, as I said a couple of days ago, to an Autumn general election. It is consistent with the UK's inability to concretise Brexit - both his 'new deal' and his 'no deal' will remain stubbornly undefined until after the GE. 10/
He has a good chance of success. The difficult task of delivering Brexit is deferred to the far side of a general election... and by then, who knows what the options may be. He can cross that bridge when he comes to it. 11/
The easiest way to stop this plan is to prevent him from winning the GE. That depends on the opposition working together. Looking at the relationships between Corbyn, Sturgeon, Swinson and Lucas; Johnson might well calculate that he has nothing to fear. 12/12
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Up to remainers to respect the referndum result as adults and stop being silly children trying to sabotage it it is going to happen and idiots like Jo Swinson need to pull their heads in and stop making trouble.
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Easiest way to sort this mess out is to ask parliament to hold an election from mid October this will shut parliament down and allow a no deal through by default, the dilemma for the opposition then is do they reject Boris' call for a general election in order for no deal to be avoided or do they look stupid by in effect saying we have faith in Boris as PM by rejecting his call for an election.
If you are Corbyn you want a General Election but do you accept the General Election by allowing No Deal
Lib Dems would persumably want to avoid No Deal at all costs so would have to oppose a general election.
Cons - risk losing power but get Britain out of the EU by default but any after effects of a no deal will see them sidelined for a long time
Boris -
1) gets the UK out of the EU by no deal but risks losing his PM status
2) gets UK out by No Deal and is rewarded with a majority and a full term as pm
3) calls for a general election are rejected by MP's to avoid no deal and he can't commit to his promise of leaving on 31 Oct.
4) loses a general election to a coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib Dems who put the UK back in under some crafty deal with the EU
5) Boris gets a last minute "good" deal from EU to avoid no deal and a general election forcing through a no deal & upsetting Ireland.
If you are Corbyn you want a General Election but do you accept the General Election by allowing No Deal
Lib Dems would persumably want to avoid No Deal at all costs so would have to oppose a general election.
Cons - risk losing power but get Britain out of the EU by default but any after effects of a no deal will see them sidelined for a long time
Boris -
1) gets the UK out of the EU by no deal but risks losing his PM status
2) gets UK out by No Deal and is rewarded with a majority and a full term as pm
3) calls for a general election are rejected by MP's to avoid no deal and he can't commit to his promise of leaving on 31 Oct.
4) loses a general election to a coalition of Labour/SNP/Lib Dems who put the UK back in under some crafty deal with the EU
5) Boris gets a last minute "good" deal from EU to avoid no deal and a general election forcing through a no deal & upsetting Ireland.
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childish remainers trying to disrupt Boris' visit to Birmingham screaming like banshees, pathetic attempt at protest.
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Dimson and the LibPhlegms don't even know if it's even legal to offer another binary referendum, as the Supreme Court could well decide it's unlawful when the result of the first hasn't been enacted, plus the Electoral Commission would be unlikely to permit one for the same reason.
Just imagine the catastrophe a Corbum-Dimson alliance would be if the election went wrong....
Just imagine the catastrophe a Corbum-Dimson alliance would be if the election went wrong....
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You can now place bets on what the government will begin rationing before the end of the year.
Remember folks, bookies are in the business of ruthlessly making money, and they're actually taking bets on bread being rationed before the end of the year.
You'll get 4/1 odds on fuel, I don't remember that being on the side of a bus anywhere.
Taking back control!
Remember folks, bookies are in the business of ruthlessly making money, and they're actually taking bets on bread being rationed before the end of the year.
You'll get 4/1 odds on fuel, I don't remember that being on the side of a bus anywhere.
Taking back control!
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It's Paddy Power.
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Yep, I think it's tongue-in-cheek. UK grain for bread is self-produced and imported from Canada/USA. Coffee? When the f*ck did coffee grow in Europe? Milk is domestically produced, as is most cheese aside from smelly French crud and Edam etc. With a domestic oil/gas supply and the rest coming from Middle East or Norway, again non-EU lol....
The only thing that will be rationed, as indeed it is now, is the common sense of remoaners.
Come on Chopley - PP are renowned for their silly adverts!
The only thing that will be rationed, as indeed it is now, is the common sense of remoaners.
Come on Chopley - PP are renowned for their silly adverts!
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Paddy Power, the well known shining beacon of sense and seriousness.
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surely it will be anti depressants, due to a prolonged inability to stop moaning.
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Just had a chance to stroll through this thread, and what a lovely thread it is.
Atleast you'll be able to transport your herring the way you want to
Atleast you'll be able to transport your herring the way you want to
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paddy power are originally from ireland aren't they? just trying to do their bit of project fear for the remainer/EU cause
I think they did an eric cantona ad poking fun at brexit too:
I think they did an eric cantona ad poking fun at brexit too:
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we import a lot of our instant coffee from the EUYep, I think it's tongue-in-cheek. UK grain for bread is self-produced and imported from Canada/USA. Coffee? When the f*ck did coffee grow in Europe? Milk is domestically produced, as is most cheese aside from smelly French crud and Edam etc. With a domestic oil/gas supply and the rest coming from Middle East or Norway, again non-EU lol....
The only thing that will be rationed, as indeed it is now, is the common sense of remoaners.
Come on Chopley - PP are renowned for their silly adverts!
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You mean some brands are freeze-dried and chucked in jars in other EU states or freeze-dried/processed in other EU states and sent over here in bloody great sacks where we chuck it in jars and label it ourselves. There is a also a huge great place in the UK that processes coffee as I saw it on 'Inside The Factory' the other night, so it's comforting to know we possess the technology and means to keep ourselves in coffee - hell, we may even pick up the knowledge to make a windmill and produce our own flour and bread when we leave the EU.
I agree though - as a country we face a mighty challenge to order raw coffee beans from South and Central America and process them here without sending them to the EU first, a near insurmountable challenge that will occupy the best British minds for years, but I'm sure we'll come through in the end.
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a near insurmountable challenge that will occupy the best British minds for years, but I'm sure we'll come through in the end.
No worries with Boris at the helm and great people like Rees-Mogg behind him. Don't forget to put 2 spaces after every . . <space><space>
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A typically excellent article by Chris Grey.
It’s worth reflecting on the sheer outrageousness of what’s happening, because it is easy to become inured to that. It’s not new or illegitimate within the UK political system for the Prime Minister to be changed between elections of course. In my lifetime it happened when Callaghan, Major, Brown, and May took office. But it has become progressively less legitimate - and Brown’s accession was
This time, there are three particular issues that make it different. It’s happening when there is not only a minority government but one embarking on a decided shift in policy and with
Taken together, this means that we have a Prime Minister chosen by a tiny and highly unrepresentative fragment of the electorate to enact an extreme policy that has no democratic mandate whatsoever. It’s a perversion of democracy, and has, at best, only the most threadbare and procedural veneer of legitimacy.
Against that degrading and squalid backdrop, Johnson’s first days as leader and Prime Minister have begun to give a sense of where he is going to take us.
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It’s worth reflecting on the sheer outrageousness of what’s happening, because it is easy to become inured to that. It’s not new or illegitimate within the UK political system for the Prime Minister to be changed between elections of course. In my lifetime it happened when Callaghan, Major, Brown, and May took office. But it has become progressively less legitimate - and Brown’s accession was
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– not least because British politics has become more presidential.This time, there are three particular issues that make it different. It’s happening when there is not only a minority government but one embarking on a decided shift in policy and with
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. That shift in policy is an epochally defining one, pushing towards a no-deal Brexit that was voted for in neither an election nor a referendum. And the decision was made by party members, not by MPs.Taken together, this means that we have a Prime Minister chosen by a tiny and highly unrepresentative fragment of the electorate to enact an extreme policy that has no democratic mandate whatsoever. It’s a perversion of democracy, and has, at best, only the most threadbare and procedural veneer of legitimacy.
Against that degrading and squalid backdrop, Johnson’s first days as leader and Prime Minister have begun to give a sense of where he is going to take us.
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More important No Deal information.
Not Project Fear. Facts.
Not Project Fear. Facts.
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yeah, Corbum is being prosecuted for TWOC and joyriding apparently.How about the ol' Brexit bus abandoned in a hedge recently
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"Mechanical fault"
Perhaps the vehicle is worn out, him having taken millions of Labour voters for a ride?
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ah fook, totally forgot about that. Planned to drive it over the isle of man to wind chop up but took a wrong turn after seeing a sign for Chorley.
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I see Raab is now trying to rewrite history by saying he talked about no deal being a possibility during the referendum campaign. He seems to have forgotten that there have been lots of cameras around recording what he's saying for years now, and there isn't one single recorded incident of him doing anything other than talking about what a great deal we'll get and how easy it'll be.
In other words, he's lying.
Also, the public at large didn't even start Googling 'No Deal Brexit' and stuff like 'What does a No Deal Brexit mean' until mid 2018. Two years after the referendum.
In other words, he's lying.
Also, the public at large didn't even start Googling 'No Deal Brexit' and stuff like 'What does a No Deal Brexit mean' until mid 2018. Two years after the referendum.
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Isn't that because in the debates leading up to brexit and on the ballot paper, brexit no deal or with a deal wasn't mentioned; it's the EU that's largely causing the problem now by not wishing to renegotiate a proper, fair free trade deal that doesn't punish either party.
It's how the whole EU was sold to us originally in 1974/75, as a free trade zone not as a federal state behemoth, we're effectively wishing to return to that simple notion but because of all the subsequent treaties bringing a political union about, and aimed at gradually taking away sovereignty, the EU don't want to return to that kind of relationship.
It's how the whole EU was sold to us originally in 1974/75, as a free trade zone not as a federal state behemoth, we're effectively wishing to return to that simple notion but because of all the subsequent treaties bringing a political union about, and aimed at gradually taking away sovereignty, the EU don't want to return to that kind of relationship.
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The EU are simply asking us to stick to the deal that we negotiated with them and signed, (which was largely pre-ordained because of all the red lines the UK drew upfront), renegotiation has never been an option once we signed the WA and that has been made 100% clear all along.
It's laughable that Raab, of all people, is now arguing the toss about this when he was Brexit Secretary and it was literally his job to arrange the 'easy and great' deal he banged on about so much.
The EU is what it is now, not what it was 44 years ago. If the UK doesn't like it then yes, it has the right to leave, but it doesn't have the right to rewrite the rules of the EU to suit itself on its way out of the door. (Ironically, we could and did influence the EU when we were a member and a major member at that, an ability we lose completely once we flounce out.)
I see Welsh farmers are today saying how a No Deal Brexit will completely wipe them out, more collateral damage as Johnson and his cohort of maniacs pledge to run the UK off the edge of a cliff. They predicted that the EU would crack and break and give us what we wanted if we stamped our feet hard enough. Well the EU has not cracked and it has not broken, and it won't thrown Ireland under the bus. Their bluff and bluster has been called, and now we can see that it was just that, bluff and bluster all along.
Is this what people voted for in 2016? Really?
Simple me like 17 million other's went to the voting booth and there was 2 boxes one for leave, one for remain....no "deals" or "no deals" or a "coffee and some cake" LEAVE THE EU, and its come to all you idiots aswell as the Eu blocking any leave so it will have to happen this way...and thats no deal in the end which well in amazing scenes..."MEANS LEAVE LIKE IT SAID!!!!"
The riots in Paris for the 30th weekend in a row not reported by the mainstream media BBC SKY etc, yet all over the Hong Kong trouble...simple these protests are against the EU darlingboy Macron while his soldiers beat the public to a pulp, this is the EU in action...hiding the truth about their unelected mafia literally bankrupting countries like Greece etc while they sit in their gold plated offices.
You liberal leftist muppets keep banging on that 0.1% voted for Boris...ok how many out of 500 million+ had a say in the new EU leader?
ZERO - MAFIA IN ACTION
You liberal leftist muppets keep banging on that 0.1% voted for Boris...ok how many out of 500 million+ had a say in the new EU leader?
ZERO - MAFIA IN ACTION
WELSH farmers concerned over extensive tariffs imposed on their products in the event of a no deal Brexit scenario have been reassured by Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns that new markets, such as Japan's, will be crucial - allowing their businesses to flourish post-Brexit.
“That is a new market for us, so exports are already taking place there.
“That is a significant market for which we haven’t even scratched the surface yet.”
Asked whether he was suggesting there will be a deal with Japan post-Brexit, he replied: “I’m saying that Welsh sheep is already been exported to Japan.
“It’s a new market that was agreed earlier this year.
The Prime Minister will say: “I will always back Britain’s great farmers and as we leave the EU we need to make sure that Brexit works for them. That means scrapping the common agricultural policy and signing new trade deals."
Adding: “Once we leave the EU on October 31, we will have a historic opportunity to introduce new schemes to support farming.
“We will make sure that farmers get a better deal.
“Brexit presents enormous opportunities for our country and it’s time we looked to the future with pride and optimism.”
But no, if you listen to Chopley etc you would think we a third world country who have to answer to drunken Junker and lunatics like Merkel who thought it was a good idea to let in 2 million unchecked muslim men in 6 months...
We can of course be succesful, cant you just move to Canada or something?
“That is a new market for us, so exports are already taking place there.
“That is a significant market for which we haven’t even scratched the surface yet.”
Asked whether he was suggesting there will be a deal with Japan post-Brexit, he replied: “I’m saying that Welsh sheep is already been exported to Japan.
“It’s a new market that was agreed earlier this year.
The Prime Minister will say: “I will always back Britain’s great farmers and as we leave the EU we need to make sure that Brexit works for them. That means scrapping the common agricultural policy and signing new trade deals."
Adding: “Once we leave the EU on October 31, we will have a historic opportunity to introduce new schemes to support farming.
“We will make sure that farmers get a better deal.
“Brexit presents enormous opportunities for our country and it’s time we looked to the future with pride and optimism.”
But no, if you listen to Chopley etc you would think we a third world country who have to answer to drunken Junker and lunatics like Merkel who thought it was a good idea to let in 2 million unchecked muslim men in 6 months...
We can of course be succesful, cant you just move to Canada or something?
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To be fair, the referendum was basically in or out of Europe. There was nothing there about out with a deal or no deal. It’s disingenuous to suggest people would have voted differently if they knew it meant leaving without a deal.
I personally assumed leaving would mean leaving without a deal anyway, that all of the deal making would come after.
For the record, I voted to remain because the benefits are many. However, all of the doom mongering over it is becoming pretty pathetic now.
We’re kind of fucked now whatever happens. If we don’t leave, a huge part of the UK population are going to be massively pissed off about it and who knows what that will lead to. If we do leave without a deal we are going to struggle. A lot.
Either way we deal with it and move on and try to move forward. David Cameron and then Theresa May got us into this mess. Cameron for entertaining the referendum in the first place and May for doing a piss poor job negotiating a deal. She allowed herself to be bullied by the EU and they saw her as a soft touch. I doubt they’ll be thinking the same about Boris. He’s a twat but he’s a very clever bloke and he knows what he is doing. At least I hope he does.
I personally assumed leaving would mean leaving without a deal anyway, that all of the deal making would come after.
For the record, I voted to remain because the benefits are many. However, all of the doom mongering over it is becoming pretty pathetic now.
We’re kind of fucked now whatever happens. If we don’t leave, a huge part of the UK population are going to be massively pissed off about it and who knows what that will lead to. If we do leave without a deal we are going to struggle. A lot.
Either way we deal with it and move on and try to move forward. David Cameron and then Theresa May got us into this mess. Cameron for entertaining the referendum in the first place and May for doing a piss poor job negotiating a deal. She allowed herself to be bullied by the EU and they saw her as a soft touch. I doubt they’ll be thinking the same about Boris. He’s a twat but he’s a very clever bloke and he knows what he is doing. At least I hope he does.
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You realise he was talking about the FTA that Japan signed with the EU earlier this year, the one that Japan have explicitly said they won't roll over for us when we leave? As such access to that market will be lost when we leave the EU. That the Welsh Secretary apparently doesn't know this is genuinely scary, this is the level of ignorance within the actual government.
Also, Japan really doesn't eat much lamb, like, they hardly eat any at all. This may change in time, but not quickly enough for Welsh farming to not be decimated by easy access to the EU markets.
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Yes sorry for restraining your almighty powers. Now you can show the world how it's done! Make the best deals for yourselves! Everyone will bow down to UK now.
Boris will still get a middle finger from EU.
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I just watched boris's interview yesterday with the bbc [on some boat or dockside] and he said the EU have been confused in the last three years by Theresa may's position, basically leaving but staying in, and with his new clearer idea of what leaving means and some goodwill, he believes a free trade deal can be made, plus agreements on security, and the other side issues etc..
I think he's right about May confusing and cocking it all up [on purpose mind you], and the idea that the EU have some great leverage or bargaining position is false, because insisting on tariffs is shooting themselves in the foot too, and basically with europe's economy/recovery on shaky ground, they can't afford to take the hit either.
But negotiations may go to the wire, as the EU won't want to be seen to make a climbdown, as they unwisely invested political capital in this theresa may 'backstop' plan, which was most likely a uk civil service hatched remainer plot all along, to informally circumvent and annul the referendum result.
I think he's right about May confusing and cocking it all up [on purpose mind you], and the idea that the EU have some great leverage or bargaining position is false, because insisting on tariffs is shooting themselves in the foot too, and basically with europe's economy/recovery on shaky ground, they can't afford to take the hit either.
But negotiations may go to the wire, as the EU won't want to be seen to make a climbdown, as they unwisely invested political capital in this theresa may 'backstop' plan, which was most likely a uk civil service hatched remainer plot all along, to informally circumvent and annul the referendum result.
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Have you not heard of the 'Green Pound' whereby the state used to regulate UK farming in order to maintain production and profitability and ensure food supply? It used to work, well before the CAP. As I recall it when a small child, we had fish (taken by the French and Spanish now) beef, chicken, lamb, potatoes strawberries, cheese, milk etc. and definitely weren't starving pre-EEC.
All this crap you're quoting is based on the unfounded assumption that the UK govt. would NOT keep the subsidy up, presently given by the E-USSR. So it goes like this:
UK pays £10bn plus into this stinking kleptocracy so Poles can build new roads and Estonians chicken sheds.
E-USSR generously returns half of it in the form of subsidies, regional developments grants and other things.
The UK is essentially being treated like a child being told how to spend their own pocket money.
Post E-USSR:
UK pays bugger-all into bastard Brussels and can directly maintain these subsidies and grants themselves without sending money to the E-USSR first, whereby they send SOME of it back as happens with the insane system at present. Simples.
The whole poxy set-up is basically Germany assuaging its guilt for WW2 and the French with their inferiority complex relishing the power they have over the UK, something which they've not been able to achieve in centuries. Have you noticed their leaders are always short-arses with a Napoleon complex?
The EU is basically an unholy alliance of Shakin' Stevens and Micro Macron, the German - French duopoly and they can both go and find a hole to plot their grand Eurostate plans in - without us.
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- Belfast
So how come none of the remoaners are highlighting the new deal the EU has signed thats going to destroy the Irish farming sector, and the UK sector if we remain in the EU? This new deals allows for the Eurozone to be flooded with cheap South American meat in return for getting EU access into the service sector.
At least if the UK can get out of the EU they can negotiate their own deals and possibly protect the farming industry, and maybe in a few years when the Irish farming sector is defunct there might be a vote for an Irish EU exit.....
At least if the UK can get out of the EU they can negotiate their own deals and possibly protect the farming industry, and maybe in a few years when the Irish farming sector is defunct there might be a vote for an Irish EU exit.....
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My Mum lives in New Zealand and I lived there for 15 years, so this is not a dig towards them.
Lamb is my favourite meat, but it's so damn expensive. £20+ for a leg. A fair old chunk of it being imported from NZ.
Stick extra tariffs on the imported meat and give that to the farmers along with some of the money we pay the EU now. so they can sell their meat cheaper. Win Win.
Time to look after our selves and our own.
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- IOM
Well at least the pound is doing well out of all of this.
Oh, hang on.
I doubt that hedge fund managers in Geneva are 'Remoaners', they're hard-nosed financial realists who realise that the UK is about to commit a massive act of economic self-harm.
Doubtless the pound will bounce back once we've managed to negotiate amazing trade deals to sell lamb chops to Japan.
The pound sterling is now at its weakest vs a basket of other currencies since Bloomberg began tracking it in 2004. Weaker than during financial crisis. Weaker than post referendum.
Oh, hang on.
I doubt that hedge fund managers in Geneva are 'Remoaners', they're hard-nosed financial realists who realise that the UK is about to commit a massive act of economic self-harm.
Doubtless the pound will bounce back once we've managed to negotiate amazing trade deals to sell lamb chops to Japan.
The pound sterling is now at its weakest vs a basket of other currencies since Bloomberg began tracking it in 2004. Weaker than during financial crisis. Weaker than post referendum.
