Brexit - whats the difference.....

[ChopleyIOM]

Yes it's like the 'EU ARMY' is something to be scared of, even if that were something that the EU were advocating, which they're not.

Historically speaking, the armies you want to be scared of are the ones you're not part of, after all, you're not going to be invaded by your own army. Why should we be scared of an army we'd be part of?

Fast forward to a hypothetical World War 3, do we want it to be the the UK versus China/Russia, or the EU (including the UK) versus China/Russia?

There are many real and dangerous threats in the world right now. The EU isn't one of them.

 

[thr0b]

You vote for UKIP while claiming the EU Parliament doesn't represent your views, but then the former leader of UKIP has one of the poorest attendance records of any MEP, while happily claiming his salary.

If you invite monkeys into your house, they're going to shit everywhere. Except that monkey will rub it in your face and tell you it's what you asked for.

 

[steveh35]

Yes it's like the 'EU ARMY' is something to be scared of, even if that were something that the EU were advocating, which they're not.

Historically speaking, the armies you want to be scared of are the ones you're not part of, after all, you're not going to be invaded by your own army. Why should we be scared of an army we'd be part of?

Fast forward to a hypothetical World War 3, do we want it to be the the UK versus China/Russia, or the EU (including the UK) versus China/Russia?

There are many real and dangerous threats in the world right now. The EU isn't one of them.

What is your username on Digital Spy by the way because you clearly belong there?

 

[steveh35]

You vote for UKIP while claiming the EU Parliament doesn't represent your views, but then the former leader of UKIP has one of the poorest attendance records of any MEP, while happily claiming his salary.

If you invite monkeys into your house, they're going to shit everywhere. Except that monkey will rub it in your face and tell you it's what you asked for.

I don't want the EU parliament to represent me I vote for a government in the UK to represent me so I will continue to send UKIP to the EU to disrupt this ridiculous club as much as possible.

 

[thr0b]

I don't want the EU parliament to represent me I vote for a government in the UK to represent me so I will continue to send UKIP to the EU to disrupt this ridiculous club as much as possible.

And this is the problem. They don't disrupt it. They don't turn up. They just collect the pay.

Then they tell you that the EU is the problem because it doesn't represent you.

They tell you that other countries are queueing up to leave. Tellingly, none have yet to come forward.

You've been lied to, and you've been played. You might be happy with that, but don't try and convince me that swallowing the lie is better than remaining. Because I've seen no evidence.

To quote Jason Donovan, you give me one good reason to leave EU, I'll give you ten good reasons to stay.

 

[steveh35]

And this is the problem. They don't disrupt it. They don't turn up. They just collect the pay.

Then they tell you that the EU is the problem because it doesn't represent you.

They tell you that other countries are queueing up to leave. Tellingly, none have yet to come forward.

You've been lied to, and you've been played. You might be happy with that, but don't try and convince me that swallowing the lie is better than remaining. Because I've seen no evidence.

To quote Jason Donovan, you give me one good reason to leave EU, I'll give you ten good reasons to stay.

I have been lied to??? I have been played??? In what way I have already said I have wanted to leave EU for over 25 years so no one has LIED to me or PLAYED me as I have my own mind.

 

[goatwack]

I suppose once we leave, the erm 'democratically-outvoted' side will petition relentlessly to get us back in at the first opportunity!

Probably via Change.org or Facebook

 

[dunover]

Zealots

I suppose once we leave, the erm 'democratically-outvoted' side will petition relentlessly to get us back in at the first opportunity!

Probably via Change.org or Facebook

Zealots have never had much time for democracy.

 

[mack341]

Yes it's like the 'EU ARMY' is something to be scared of, even if that were something that the EU were advocating, which they're not.

Historically speaking, the armies you want to be scared of are the ones you're not part of, after all, you're not going to be invaded by your own army. Why should we be scared of an army we'd be part of?

Fast forward to a hypothetical World War 3, do we want it to be the the UK versus China/Russia, or the EU (including the UK) versus China/Russia?

There are many real and dangerous threats in the world right now. The EU isn't one of them.

Have you read orwell's 1984 or animal farm by any chance?

Of course they want an EU army, it stands to reason if they want to become a federal super state with it's own foreign policy they'll need a centralised army to back it up. If they did away with the commissioners and had the various heads of state regularly appearing in that parliament in strasbourg it would be better, these bureaucrats like tusk have no right to be in a powerful position bossing the elected heads of state around.

 

[dunover]

And this is the problem. They don't disrupt it. They don't turn up. They just collect the pay.

Then they tell you that the EU is the problem because it doesn't represent you.

They tell you that other countries are queueing up to leave. Tellingly, none have yet to come forward.

You've been lied to, and you've been played. You might be happy with that, but don't try and convince me that swallowing the lie is better than remaining. Because I've seen no evidence.

To quote Jason Donovan, you give me one good reason to leave EU, I'll give you ten good reasons to stay.

I wonder why?

 

[Webzcas]

Artist Taxi Driver's latest news, which he updates every morning. Absolutely hilarious. Lovely bloke too, behind the persona, who I had the pleasure of sharing a cuppa with during the week of the ICE back in 2017.

 

[mack341]

I think the last two years isn't proof of how difficult brexit will be, but proof of how much the elites/establishment believed and were desperate for 'remain' to win, so they have had no intention of honouring the outcome and have been deliberately dragging their heels.
Theresa's watered down deal/soft brexit was the most they were prepared to swallow, and some say it's worse than remaining

I think we should have a 1 year extension, flush her deal down the lav where it belongs, appoint a new conservative leader and possibly have a general election based on brexit vs remain candidates, that'll be just as informative as another refererendum and hopefully we can kick out some of these dunderheads holding parliament to ransom, we'll need a new HOC speaker too.

We have a natural advantage over europe because of the english language and the commonwealth ties, for example, we should always be able to do more trade with India than say germany does.

And we've actually been a net contributor to the EU for years...

"From 2000 to 2017 the UK government made a net contribution of around £122 billion to the EU in real terms or around £109 billion in cash terms"

and yet we've been running a trade deficit with the EU for every year, so it's obvious UK tax revenues generated here and through overseas trade [non eu] has been pumped into the EU's coffers. They can then give bribes [handouts] to the less well off eu countries to keep them happy and toeing the line re new laws and rules.

Factor in the 2008 bank bail outs and blair's wars and you can see we've squandered a heck of a lot of money and resources on things that should have been preventable, and the same people who did these c*ck ups up in government now sqawk endlessly about how we must remain in the EU.

 

[goatwack]

Ok now that power's been restored it's time to revive this great thread

#MakeBrexitGreatAgain

 

[pinnit2014]

I think the last two years isn't proof of how difficult brexit will be, but proof of how much the elites/establishment believed and were desperate for 'remain' to win, so they have had no intention of honouring the outcome and have been deliberately dragging their heels.
Theresa's watered down deal/soft brexit was the most they were prepared to swallow, and some say it's worse than remaining

I think we should have a 1 year extension, flush her deal down the lav where it belongs, appoint a new conservative leader and possibly have a general election based on brexit vs remain candidates, that'll be just as informative as another refererendum and hopefully we can kick out some of these dunderheads holding parliament to ransom, we'll need a new HOC speaker too.

We have a natural advantage over europe because of the english language and the commonwealth ties, for example, we should always be able to do more trade with India than say germany does.

And we've actually been a net contributor to the EU for years...

"From 2000 to 2017 the UK government made a net contribution of around £122 billion to the EU in real terms or around £109 billion in cash terms"

and yet we've been running a trade deficit with the EU for every year, so it's obvious UK tax revenues generated here and through overseas trade [non eu] has been pumped into the EU's coffers. They can then give bribes [handouts] to the less well off eu countries to keep them happy and toeing the line re new laws and rules.

Factor in the 2008 bank bail outs and blair's wars and you can see we've squandered a heck of a lot of money and resources on things that should have been preventable, and the same people who did these c*ck ups up in government now sqawk endlessly about how we must remain in the EU.

Do you think the one year extension will be a good thing in the long run? Christ knows if it changed in the last 5 minutes but was reading that the EU would be prepared to accept that as they think it will allow time to agree to a. staying in the customs union and b. allowing the UK sole control over the Border. It's like a war of attrition.

As for the GE - Labour must be wondering what they need to do as it's probably be the conservatives with the majority of seats if it happens. If that's not a commentary on their current leadership, I don't know what is - i think they'd even struggle if it became like Mad Max. Be interested to see how all this affects the established parties in years to come.

 

[mack341]

Do you think the one year extension will be a good thing in the long run? Christ knows if it changed in the last 5 minutes but was reading that the EU would be prepared to accept that as they think it will allow time to agree to a. staying in the customs union and b. allowing the UK sole control over the Border. It's like a war of attrition.

As for the GE - Labour must be wondering what they need to do as it's probably be the conservatives with the majority of seats if it happens. If that's not a commentary on their current leadership, I don't know what is - i think they'd even struggle if it became like Mad Max. Be interested to see how all this affects the established parties in years to come.

I think so because if it's one year that takes us past the conference season, and I just can't see Theresa fronting that conservative conference with normal members sitting there, so she'll have to be replaced and then hopefully we can have a new approach to negotiating with the EU. We've got to be tough with them and try and get them to see sense. yeah the labour party are in just a big as mess and their mp's are in denial. going to be interesting times we live in as both parties hierarchies want to ignore the brexit voter and yet it's probably still the majority position, especially with london and the few other remain hotbeds are taken out of the equation.

I have started to feel recently, it's tempting to say, let's forget the whole thing, just so we can have a bit of peace and quiet from the crying remainer mp's and media, it's the wrong way to think as we had a huge vote but you just get worn down by the negative whinging deceitful coverage.

 

[goatwack]

 

[goatwack]

Brexit affects us all. Playing FM I had one of the youngsters come through. Was gonna bin him off but I guess with restricted movement etc I just couldn't bring myself to do it

 

[dunover]

I see the Labour vote collapsed in that safe seat by-election last week. 9K majority reduced to 1700 or something. UKIP 3rd. C*rbum doesn't seem to realize what a pillock most of the electorate see him as. It's good in a way, because it ensures that the record of no socialist government since the Labour disaster of 1974-79 will be maintained.

 

[steveh35]

Coward get a backbone and fight.

 

[goatwack]

Coward get a backbone and fight.

It was in reference to Mack's post above, but as you were

I voted to leave. Bet you feel like a tool now eh?

Maybe lay off the hostility and name-calling with everyone?

 

[pinnit2014]

It was in reference to Mack's post above, but as you were

I voted to leave. Bet you feel like a tool now eh?

Maybe lay off the hostility and name-calling with everyone?

Sounded like he was challenging you to some sort of medieval duel

Winner takes a no deal

Sure i have some white gloves about somewhere.

 

[goatwack]

Sounded like he was challenging you to some sort of medieval duel

Winner takes a no deal

Sure i have some white gloves about somewhere.

I'm up for that, as long as I get to use a flail

 

[mack341]

Brexit affects us all. Playing FM I had one of the youngsters come through. Was gonna bin him off but I guess with restricted movement etc I just couldn't bring myself to do it

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my concern with young mr kuntz, [putting on a bryan clough accent] has he got the right temperament? to be fair he has got some decent stats for a 16 year old but I'm sensing a niklas bendtner situation could emerge

 

[goatwack]

my concern with young mr kuntz, [putting on a bryan clough accent] has he got the right temperament? to be fair he has got some decent stats for a 16 year old but I'm sensing a niklas bendtner situation could emerge

Not sure. It's touch & go

 

[steveh35]

Brexit delayed until Hallowe'en news reports

 

[goatwack]

Oh ffs

 

[TheAddict]

did you catch what year?

 

[goatwack]

Theresa May and her cronies are just incompetent trolls quite obviously. They seem to forget that they serve us and not the other way round, the tits

 

[ChopleyIOM]

 

[TheAddict]

3 years already? bloody knew i shoulda put some money on it when laughing out loud over the shocking suprise that this got extended all those moons ago, having no doubt that more and more extensions/delays would be taking this embarassing shit show into 2020 or beyond.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Serious question adam, why do you still want Brexit?

Every single 'sales pitch' that Farage/Johnson/Gove/Fox/etc made for it has been comprehensively proved to be a total lie, no one's even pretending that there's any money, or trade deals, or anything else of any benefit whatsoever in it for us, the 'taking back control' from LAWS PASSED IN BRUSSELS element is totally debunked by an analysis such as this:

Brexit - whats the difference.....

(And of the 72 (out of 34,105) laws that were passed against our will, please feel free to pick one you actually object to out of the list.)

We're literally just left with a stubborn declaration of 'well it's what we voted for', despite the fact that it now turns out that what the won the referendum - (by a narrow enough majority even with the lies in full swing and yet to be proved to be such) - isn't really what was being pitched as Leave meant at all.

When people talk about 'Let's just have No Deal and take the hit, we'll survive', are they really analysing what they're actually saying? Are they genuinely saying they want the UK to be poorer, to have our influence reduced on the global stage? For a sneak preview of a No Deal future on this, just look at the trade deal the EU recently signed with Japan, and we asked 'Can we have the same trade deal as the EU please?' and Japan was just like, 'Eh? Of course you can't, you're a single medium sized economy, of course you don't get the same deal as the biggest trading bloc in the world.'

Add in protectionism on the rise in the both the USA and China, and do we really want to go it alone as a relatively small service based economy, or be part of the biggest, most powerful club in the world, and have a seat at the top table of that club? Does anyone really think Trump will do anything other than fuck us over in a USA/UK trade deal?

So back to my original question, why does anyone really still want Brexit, what single net positive do they expect to come out of it?

 

[Playford7]

Serious question adam, why do you still want Brexit?

Every single 'sales pitch' that Farage/Johnson/Gove/Fox/etc made for it has been comprehensively proved to be a total lie, no one's even pretending that there's any money, or trade deals, or anything else of any benefit whatsoever in it for us, the 'taking back control' from LAWS PASSED IN BRUSSELS element is totally debunked by an analysis such as this:

Brexit - whats the difference.....

(And of the 72 (out of 34,105) laws that were passed against our will, please feel free to pick one you actually object to out of the list.)

We're literally just left with a stubborn declaration of 'well it's what we voted for', despite the fact that it now turns out that what the won the referendum - (by a narrow enough majority even with the lies in full swing and yet to be proved to be such) - isn't really what was being pitched as Leave meant at all.

When people talk about 'Let's just have No Deal and take the hit, we'll survive', are they really analysing what they're actually saying? Are they genuinely saying they want the UK to be poorer, to have our influence reduced on the global stage? For a sneak preview of a No Deal future on this, just look at the trade deal the EU recently signed with Japan, and we asked 'Can we have the same trade deal as the EU please?' and Japan was just like, 'Eh? Of course you can't, you're a single medium sized economy, of course you don't get the same deal as the biggest trading bloc in the world.'

Add in protectionism on the rise in the both the USA and China, and do we really want to go it alone as a relatively small service based economy, or be part of the biggest, most powerful club in the world, and have a seat at the top table of that club? Does anyone really think Trump will do anything other than fuck us over in a USA/UK trade deal?

So back to my original question, why does anyone really still want Brexit, what single net positive do they expect to come out of it?

It’ll shut the remoaners up.
That’s a huge benefit in anyone’s eyes.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It’ll shut the remoaners up.
That’s a huge benefit in anyone’s eyes.

Well I look forward to folks trying to pay their mortgages and bills with 'Quiet Remoaners'.

'What do you mean they're not the same as money?......'

 

[pocoman]

It’ll shut the remoaners up.
That’s a huge benefit in anyone’s eyes.

Did you vote for Brexit? If so, what was your main reasons?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Serious question adam, why do you still want Brexit?

Every single 'sales pitch' that Farage/Johnson/Gove/Fox/etc made for it has been comprehensively proved to be a total lie, no one's even pretending that there's any money, or trade deals, or anything else of any benefit whatsoever in it for us, the 'taking back control' from LAWS PASSED IN BRUSSELS element is totally debunked by an analysis such as this:

Brexit - whats the difference.....

(And of the 72 (out of 34,105) laws that were passed against our will, please feel free to pick one you actually object to out of the list.)

We're literally just left with a stubborn declaration of 'well it's what we voted for', despite the fact that it now turns out that what the won the referendum - (by a narrow enough majority even with the lies in full swing and yet to be proved to be such) - isn't really what was being pitched as Leave meant at all.

When people talk about 'Let's just have No Deal and take the hit, we'll survive', are they really analysing what they're actually saying? Are they genuinely saying they want the UK to be poorer, to have our influence reduced on the global stage? For a sneak preview of a No Deal future on this, just look at the trade deal the EU recently signed with Japan, and we asked 'Can we have the same trade deal as the EU please?' and Japan was just like, 'Eh? Of course you can't, you're a single medium sized economy, of course you don't get the same deal as the biggest trading bloc in the world.'

Add in protectionism on the rise in the both the USA and China, and do we really want to go it alone as a relatively small service based economy, or be part of the biggest, most powerful club in the world, and have a seat at the top table of that club? Does anyone really think Trump will do anything other than fuck us over in a USA/UK trade deal?

So back to my original question, why does anyone really still want Brexit, what single net positive do they expect to come out of it?

I might just add that any UK trade with other countries will revert to the general WTO rules and regulations as well as tariffs. There are 99 chapters for the tariffs, you can see here what they are in general:

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Until the UK reaches trade deals with each country, the trade will be run under those rules and tariffs, which are generally much higher than the ones the UK enjoyed under the umbrella of the EU.

Now, the master Brexit negotiators were not able to sign one agreement in three years and that with a party that was willing to sign a deal. How long dow you think will it take until they sign deals with the other 130odd WTO members?

It will put UK companies at a disadvantage for years, time where others can fill the gap and make it hard for the UK to win those markets back. The UK is an export-orientated economy, which will only increase the hardship.

Sure, they will survive and all that, question is only how do you get through the years of uncertainty?

 

[EkJR]

It's the single market that has FOM attached, not a customs union which essentially is free trade of goods.

 

[Harry_BKK]

It's the single market that has FOM attached, not a customs union which essentially is free trade of goods.

FOM refers to four categories - labour, services, goods and capital. The EU has clearly stated from the start that it will be either all or nothing. There will be no free movement of goods without free movement of labour. If the UK wishes to separate them, then they will not be part of the customs union as such.

 

[mack341]

One of the original ideas of the EU was that anything made outside would attract tariffs, it was a form of protectionism, hence the japanese car makers setting up in the uk to bypass the tariffs.

The basic fact is we have a trade deficit with the EU, therefore not agreeing a free trade deal with the UK is going to hurt the eu states more, that's basic economics. Why would the EU insist on something that is going to hurt them in the pocket?

I still think most of the blame for this debacle lies with Theresa May and the top levels of the civil service who advise her, by all accounts they are arch remainers.

 

[goatwack]

It's just amazing how one side will bleat on for nigh on 3 years because they didn't get the result THEY wanted

Also never known something to drag on as long as this, most things are voted on and implemented pretty much straight away. So picking holes in a choice that was made by a majority, you could do that with every election/ referendum in history. And then still discover that the alternatives were no better anyway!

It's the notion that Remainers feel that they're on the right side of history and everyone else is a misinformed chump that makes me chuckle

 

[dunover]

It's just amazing how one side will bleat on for nigh on 3 years because they didn't get the result THEY wanted

Also never known something to drag on as long as this, most things are voted on and implemented pretty much straight away. So picking holes in a choice that was made by a majority, you could do that with every election/ referendum in history. And then still discover that the alternatives were no better anyway!

It's the notion that Remainers feel that they're on the right side of history and everyone else is a misinformed chump that makes me chuckle

WAHEY!! We're all turkeys voting for Christmas!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Except no one here is saying that, I'm trying to engage in adult conversation and for my efforts get called a 'Remoaner', a 'sore loser', and that the best thing about Brexit is that it'll shut me up.

My polite question in the post above stands, why do you still want Brexit, and what good do you think will come of it?

 

[mack341]

Except no one here is saying that, I'm trying to engage in adult conversation and for my efforts get called a 'Remoaner', a 'sore loser', and that the best thing about Brexit is that it'll shut me up.

My polite question in the post above stands, why do you still want Brexit, and what good do you think will come of it?

 

[mack341]

I wonder if I can ask alexa???

But I've found an mep's website with some on the benefits detailed, here's his list:

1. The EU Procurement Directive won’t be able to force us to give State contracts to overseas businesses
2. We won’t have to comply with the VATMOSS legislation, boosting jobs
3. Compliance costs will be lower outside the European Union… [not employment related]
4. We won’t have threats like the Copyright Directive to the free functioning of the Internet
5. We won’t have to comply with EU State Aid regulations…
6. Brexit should finally end the madness of double-testing products
7. Brexit means we don’t have to comply with rules restricting ‘natural monopolies’ e.g. the postal system
8. The North East is a strong fishing region. Outside the EU, our fisheries will recover through reclaiming our 200-mile limit
9. We can negotiate our own bespoke trade deals with third countries
10. The net EU membership fee
11. VAT- we can choose a fairer alternative

I'm sure there's lots more, such as less strain on our stretched services/housing from uncontrolled immigration from eastern europe etc..

edit: sorry I missed his take on immigration here it is:

One of the key problems with uncontrolled immigration from the EU is that an oversupply of unskilled and semi-skilled labour drives down wages. Even if there existed a reasonable mechanism by which the UK might enforce the permitted restrictions on those who do not find work in the UK, uncontrolled immigration does lead to lower wages (hence, why it tends to be supported by big business).

By prioritising skilled immigration over unskilled, this downward pressure on wages will be reversed – whilst developing the skills base within the economy.

 

[goatwack]

Except no one here is saying that, I'm trying to engage in adult conversation and for my efforts get called a 'Remoaner', a 'sore loser', and that the best thing about Brexit is that it'll shut me up.

My polite question in the post above stands, why do you still want Brexit, and what good do you think will come of it?

Come join the Trump thread then for real shits & giggles, if you think this thread turns people into rabid goons

 

[goatwack]

I wonder if I can ask alexa???

But I've found an mep's website with some on the benefits detailed, here's his list:

1. The EU Procurement Directive won’t be able to force us to give State contracts to overseas businesses
2. We won’t have to comply with the VATMOSS legislation, boosting jobs
3. Compliance costs will be lower outside the European Union… [not employment related]
4. We won’t have threats like the Copyright Directive to the free functioning of the Internet
5. We won’t have to comply with EU State Aid regulations…
6. Brexit should finally end the madness of double-testing products
7. Brexit means we don’t have to comply with rules restricting ‘natural monopolies’ e.g. the postal system
8. The North East is a strong fishing region. Outside the EU, our fisheries will recover through reclaiming our 200-mile limit
9. We can negotiate our own bespoke trade deals with third countries
10. The net EU membership fee
11. VAT- we can choose a fairer alternative

I'm sure there's lots more, such as less strain on our stretched services/housing from uncontrolled immigration from eastern europe etc..

I've asked Alexa loads of things, she's a right boring bitch

 

[mack341]

not brexit related but how can we get rid of this snake tongue

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^ can't finding a way of embedding this video clip and unable to find it on youtube, even the way she speaks makes my alarm bells go off, you can't trust this woman as far as you could throw her [ metaphorically speaking ]

She's interested in censoring anyone with a different opinion to the government's and the mainstream media narrative/propaganda:

"Codes of practice, issued by the regulator, which could include measures such as requirements to minimise the spread of misleading and harmful disinformation with dedicated fact checkers, particularly during election periods."

Welcome to orwell's ministry of truth.

 

[slotplayer]

Serious question adam, why do you still want Brexit?

Every single 'sales pitch' that Farage/Johnson/Gove/Fox/etc made for it has been comprehensively proved to be a total lie, no one's even pretending that there's any money, or trade deals, or anything else of any benefit whatsoever in it for us, the 'taking back control' from LAWS PASSED IN BRUSSELS element is totally debunked by an analysis such as this:

Brexit - whats the difference.....

(And of the 72 (out of 34,105) laws that were passed against our will, please feel free to pick one you actually object to out of the list.)

We're literally just left with a stubborn declaration of 'well it's what we voted for', despite the fact that it now turns out that what the won the referendum - (by a narrow enough majority even with the lies in full swing and yet to be proved to be such) - isn't really what was being pitched as Leave meant at all.

When people talk about 'Let's just have No Deal and take the hit, we'll survive', are they really analysing what they're actually saying? Are they genuinely saying they want the UK to be poorer, to have our influence reduced on the global stage? For a sneak preview of a No Deal future on this, just look at the trade deal the EU recently signed with Japan, and we asked 'Can we have the same trade deal as the EU please?' and Japan was just like, 'Eh? Of course you can't, you're a single medium sized economy, of course you don't get the same deal as the biggest trading bloc in the world.'

Add in protectionism on the rise in the both the USA and China, and do we really want to go it alone as a relatively small service based economy, or be part of the biggest, most powerful club in the world, and have a seat at the top table of that club? Does anyone really think Trump will do anything other than fuck us over in a USA/UK trade deal?

So back to my original question, why does anyone really still want Brexit, what single net positive do they expect to come out of it?

I don't know much detail about the Brexit saga but with the little bits and pieces I hear on the news, economically, I tend to agree with you or at least asked myself the same questions.

For example, I would image when it comes to things like medicine, produce, etc.. the EU can negotiate better terms?

However, isn't the EU trading block size equal to the sum of its parts? So if UK is economically #2 (according to the German woman in the video) and it leaves, will the EU still have the same buying/negotiating power?

 

[mack341]

I don't know much detail about the Brexit saga but with the little bits and pieces I hear on the news, economically, I tend to agree with you or at least asked myself the same questions.

For example, I would image when it comes to things like medicine, produce, etc.. the EU can negotiate better terms?

However, isn't the EU trading block size equal to the sum of its parts? So if UK is economically #2 (according to the German woman in the video) and it leaves, will the EU still have same the buying/negotiating power?

A very good point which I haven't seen raised or addressed anywhere

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I see Nigel's got The Brexit Party off to a tremendous start, by not even registering the website's URL.

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[goatwack]

I think that's being a tad harsh. Everyone should have a man-servant carrying their hat & coat