Brexit - whats the difference.....

[cncas2123]

The only option now has to be a General Election, stop kicking the can down the road again and again, it’s killing British business and the remainers don’t care.
Go to Brussels and get an extension to 31st December and then see if the opposition parties have the balls to stand on peoples doorsteps to tell them why they won’t follow the referendum result.

 

[09237653]

A GE will not solve this, its a GENERAL election the clue is in the name it concerns way more than just brexit, a second ref is what's needed.

 

[Gaz237]

A GE will not solve this, its a GENERAL election the clue is in the name it concerns way more than just brexit, a second ref is what's needed.

I'm guessing your opinion about a 2nd ref, means you voted remain.

 

[cncas2123]

A GE will not solve this, its a GENERAL election the clue is in the name it concerns way more than just brexit, a second ref is what's needed.

It’s clear as day there’s a clear remain party and at least one clear leave party plus labour who will do anything for a vote so a GE will be the right next move because we can’t keep kicking the can down the road

 

[SpinUk]

“Boris Johnson should go!”. “So will you table a vote of No Confidence in him?”. “Er...no”. “We need to get rid of this Tory government!!!”. “So will you back a general election”. “Er...no”.

Oh right.

 

[09237653]

They have stated multiple times why they have not voted for a GE yet, do keep up.
RE: second ref, it needs to be remain vs the deal on offer now we know its not the sunny uplands as once promised, nobody voted for no deal (whatever you tell yourselves now)

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I'd be comfortable with a second referendum offering the options:

1) The Current Deal
2) No Deal
3) Remain

If No Deal or The Current Deal wins, then fair enough.

 

[dunover]

I'd be comfortable with a second referendum offering the options:

1) The Current Deal
2) No Deal
3) Remain

If No Deal or The Current Deal wins, then fair enough.

Why?
The current deal is shit.
We've already beaten 'remain' and chosen to leave.


I like your sly attempt to suggest a 3-point referendum, so that the leave vote is split between deal/no deal so remain wins...lol...good try mate!

 

[cncas2123]

I'd be comfortable with a second referendum offering the options:

1) The Current Deal
2) No Deal
3) Remain

If No Deal or The Current Deal wins, then fair enough.

So in this referendum if 26% vote current deal, 26% vote no deal and 48% vote remain I am presuming we then have a run-off between the current deal/no deal as the majority voted to leave?

 

[cncas2123]

They have stated multiple times why they have not voted for a GE yet, do keep up.
RE: second ref, it needs to be remain vs the deal on offer now we know its not the sunny uplands as once promised, nobody voted for no deal (whatever you tell yourselves now)

And you have asked the 17 million what deal they voted for, and whether they voted for a no deal? Typical remainer view, the oiks didnt have a clue what they voted for when they clearly stated they wanted out......

 

[SpinUk]

We will see what happens if brexit does not go ahead.

But i can guarantee that there may me protests etc. but no way will 10m+ start disrupting the country. There may be some large protests etc. but most people that voted leave will eventually carry on as they are.

But the one thing that really bugs me is all the talk about democracy etc. and giving the people what they voted for etc.

If indeed people believe in democracy then there would be another referendum. After all the first one was not a legally binding one at the time it was to find out what people thought and how many wanted to leave. Only after the results did MP's decide they would go with what the majority voted.

So how can people go on about their democratic rights when they never actually voted on a legal Referendum vote in the first place and certainly never voted for a No Deal Brexit. So surely once and for all there should be a Referendum that is stated from the start the result is Legally Binding whether it is leave with No Deal, Remain or whatever. Or do Democratic rights only apply when it suits.

I'd be comfortable with a second referendum offering the options:

1) The Current Deal
2) No Deal
3) Remain

If No Deal or The Current Deal wins, then fair enough.

Just put it to an election if you believe in democracy. The lib dems and labour would LOSE comfortably, hence they will not agree to it. All current polls point to this.

The current Tory government are perfectly clear on their Brexit position, and would WIN democratically.

Aside, noticed recently if someone spoddy works in tech you can set your watch by them having/spouting their secondhand, plastic liberal views.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A general election would be fine after an extension has been granted, the only reason an election isn't being granted now is that our law-breaking, lying Prime Minister* could use it to force No Deal by the back door.

* Don't take my word for it, the highest court in the land says so.

Aside, noticed recently if someone spoddy works in tech you can set your watch by them spouting their secondhand, plastic liberal views.

What is that even supposed to mean?

 

[SpinUk]

A general election would be fine after an extension has been granted, the only reason an election isn't being granted now is that our law-breaking, lying Prime Minister* could use it to force No Deal by the back door.

* Don't take my word for it, the highest court in the land says so.



What is that even supposed to mean?

No he couldn’t, it would still need to be voted on in Parliament. Again avoiding the question, the MAJORITY of people want to leave. Just because foaming at the mouth liberals think they know better, they are still in the minority.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A narrow majority of people expressed a view to leave the EU three years ago, albeit without much of an idea as to how this would actually be achieved, and based off an illegal referendum campaign and an endless pack of lies, it seems entirely reasonable to me to ask the population once again if they're still of the same opinion.

If they are, then fair enough.

 

[sledge13]

Playing an online rebuy poker tournament tonight, when asked to rebuy it asked "leave or remain" at no point did it mention a deal....hmmmm

 

[sledge13]

"illegal referendum campaign"

Wrong again Choppers, keep up with the news....

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Brexit: 'No evidence' of crimes by Leave.EU and Arron Banks

The only thing that should have been illegal was the remain goverment sending out and wasting 10 million pounds of remain propaganda leaflets.

So even with that and all the BBC and rest of the media lies behind remain, Leave still won....people see through your sides bullcrap

 

[SpinUk]

A narrow majority of people expressed a view to leave the EU three years ago, albeit without much of an idea as to how this would actually be achieved, and based off an illegal referendum campaign and an endless pack of lies, it seems entirely reasonable to me to ask the population once again if they're still of the same opinion.

If they are, then fair enough.

Narrow majority - thats how democracy works. Also nonsense people didnt know what they were voting for. Really:



It was perfectly clear what was on the table, only thing is the media had everyone think Remain would win.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So people knew they were voting for an act of economic self-harm, and to make themselves and the country poorer?

Gotcha.

 

[sledge13]

We were told all that would happen within months of the vote result, unemployment lowest in 40 years, no big price increases and the disaster didn't happen, scaremongering crap

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I'd be comfortable with a second referendum offering the options:

1) The Current Deal
2) No Deal
3) Remain

If No Deal or The Current Deal wins, then fair enough.

I bet you'd be happy. You're essentially splitting the leave vote!

 

[Mr_Slot5]

We were told all that would happen within months of the vote result, unemployment lowest in 40 years, no big price increases and the disaster didn't happen, scaremongering crap

Yeah, I remember Osbourne's dire warnings of impending doom.

If people can't see that these dire warnings and scare stories are coming from 'interested parties' then there is no hope.

Businesses are using Brexit to cover up their own mismanagement, fiscal planning and corporate greed, yet the remainers lap it up.

 

[colinsunderland]

No he couldn’t, it would still need to be voted on in Parliament. Again avoiding the question, the MAJORITY of people want to leave. Just because foaming at the mouth liberals think they know better, they are still in the minority.

wanted to leave, based on the lies they were told at the time.


now people know better, why shouldn't there be a second vote, all remainers seem to think they would win by a landslide, all leavers seem to think they would, so wheres the problem, both sides should be happy to put it to bed once and for all.

 

[SpinUk]

So people knew they were voting for an act of economic self-harm, and to make themselves and the country poorer?

Gotcha.

Almost sounds like your saying people can’t be trusted to vote for what’s good for them.

Do you even believe in universal suffrage? Doesn’t sound like it.

Don’t be ashamed to say if that’s what you think.

 

[colinsunderland]

Yeah, I remember Osbourne's dire warnings of impending doom.

If people can't see that these dire warnings and scare stories are coming from 'interested parties' then there is no hope.

Businesses are using Brexit to cover up their own mismanagement, fiscal planning and corporate greed, yet the remainers lap it up.

See statements like that are pure shite. How can you possibly know that to be true, and more to the point, how can you predict how many businesses will go under say in the 12 months after we leave, so you can actually see if the warnings were correct or not?

 

[colinsunderland]

Almost sounds like your saying people can’t be trusted to vote for what’s good for them.

Do you even believe in universal suffrage? Doesn’t sound like it.

Don’t be ashamed to say if that’s what you think.

I don't trust people to vote on stuff like this, when almost everyone had no clue what leaving would actually mean. Considering the amount of comments I heard in pubs close to the vote that consisted of such gems as 'i'm voting leave to get rid of all the f*cking pa*i's' and similar racist shit, some people shouldn't even be allowed out the house let alone to vote on something that will affect the country for generations.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

See statements like that are pure shite. How can you possibly know that to be true, and more to the point, how can you predict how many businesses will go under say in the 12 months after we leave, so you can actually see if the warnings were correct or not?

You can believe it's shite if you want however, I like to believe I'm fairly clued up on the matter. I've studied the EU at degree level, I know how businesses operate and I'm not thick. Quite the opposite in fact.

Either way, my opinion is just as valid as yours is it not?

 

[SpinUk]

See statements like that are pure shite. How can you possibly know that to be true, and more to the point, how can you predict how many businesses will go under say in the 12 months after we leave, so you can actually see if the warnings were correct or not?

You can argue the toss about what MIGHT happen until your blue in the face (which may or may not be “shite”), but you cannot deny or ignore the historic fact of the democratic vote to leave.

 

[SpinUk]

I don't trust people to vote on stuff like this, when almost everyone had no clue what leaving would actually mean. Considering the amount of comments I heard in pubs close to the vote that consisted of such gems as 'i'm voting leave to get rid of all the f*cking pa*i's' and similar racist shit, some people shouldn't even be allowed out the house let alone to vote on something that will affect the country for generations.

Interesting view on political freedom there.

 

[colinsunderland]

Interesting view on political freedom there.

Can you explain that some more?

 

[colinsunderland]

You can believe it's shite if you want however, I like to believe I'm fairly clued up on the matter. I've studied the EU at degree level, I know how businesses operate and I'm not thick. Quite the opposite in fact.

Either way, my opinion is just as valid as yours is it not?

ok, so can you name some of the businesses doing what you have stated please?

 

[SpinUk]

Can you explain that some more?

Yes. Someone has differant view to you so they should be disenfranchised on the right to vote. You know what tyranny is right?

 

[colinsunderland]

Yes. Someone has differant view to you so they should be disenfranchised on the right to vote. You know what tyranny is right?

So you think someone who votes leave based on his view that 'all the pak*'s should be kicked out the country', should actually have a say in the countries future?

 

[Gaz237]

So you think someone who votes leave based on his view that 'all the pak*'s should be kicked out the country', should actually have a say in the countries future?

What they say or think, has no bearing and is nothing to do with you.

They along with yourself are and should be allowed to have a say.

You seem to have dodged answering the question put to you about Tyranny, by asking the same question.

We live in a democracy, you can't dictate on who can and cant vote.

He may think you sticking up for pak*s is not good for our country. By the same token, should you then, not be allowed to have a say in our countries future?.

How long before we end up living in a Dictatorship?.

 

[SpinUk]

So you think someone who votes leave based on his view that 'all the pak*'s should be kicked out the country', should actually have a say in the countries future?

Yes I do, just as much as someone who is deluded/naive/patronising about thinking you should be to pick and choose who can and can’t vote depending on what you find offensive or not. That’s how it works in a democracy. Millions of people died defending that right not that long ago.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Ah Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving. Carry on lads, the world is lau... watching

 

[goatwack]

Carry On Brexit - now that I'd like to see

Sid James as Boris Johnson mwa-ha

 

[sledge13]

Brilliant from Geoffrey Cox, finally an mp has given it back to the traitor scum of the lib/lab/idiots etc full barrels. They thought today the government would look bad yet Cox came out and finally stuck up for the 17 million+

 

[dunover]

wanted to leave, based on the lies they were told at the time.


now people know better, why shouldn't there be a second vote, all remainers seem to think they would win by a landslide, all leavers seem to think they would, so wheres the problem, both sides should be happy to put it to bed once and for all.

It would achieve nothing - if leave won, what's the point? We already knew they had. If remoan scraped it, then you'd have a malignant and broken political climate, probably social too that makes the shenanigans of late seem tame in comparison.

 

[colinsunderland]

It would achieve nothing - if leave won, what's the point? We already knew they had. If remoan scraped it, then you'd have a malignant and broken political climate, probably social too that makes the shenanigans of late seem tame in comparison.

It would stop all the arguments as to if the result would be the same today having 3 years hindsight, rather than a load of lies.

You know, putting remoan/remoaners every time you post is pretty childish.
How about I put 'racist leaver *snip*' or something every time I post something? Would that be acceptable?

 

[sledge13]

Racist and *snip*, is a bit different to moaning you fkin disgrace

 

[Gaz237]

Racist and cunts, is a bit different to moaning you fkin disgrace

Colin has completely lost the debate on this thread, His POV has been completely debunked, hence all he has left is to insult other members.

 

[colinsunderland]

Racist and cunts, is a bit different to moaning you fkin disgrace

Name calling all the same isn't it
That tends be be how a loser reacts to losing an argument, who has been saying remoaners since day one? Oh wait

Who the fuck are you calling a fkin disgrace anyway? I didn't call anyone anything, but the losers do.

 

[Gaz237]

Name calling all the same isn't it
That tends be be how a loser reacts to losing an argument, who has been saying remoaners since day one? Oh wait

Who the fuck are you calling a fkin disgrace anyway? I didn't call anyone anything, but the losers do.

You called Dunover childish.

Who is the loser?

 

[colinsunderland]

You called Dunover childish.

Who is the loser?

I said name calling throughout the thread is childish. Which it is.
Then when I said should I start calling a group of members names, I get called a fucking disgrace. Seems legit.

 

[Gaz237]

I said name calling throughout the thread is childish. Which it is.
Then when I said should I start calling a group of members names, I get called a fucking disgrace. Seems legit.

Seems apt to me.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

So what did today show us?

People who are offended by everything are offended by everything. Shocker.

The remain alliance do everything to frustrate and drag their heels then act shocked and offended when the other side decides to bite back.

This country has completely gone to the dogs.

Boris could get the best possible deal tomorrow from the EU and it'd still be voted down because we're at the stage where petty politics is ruling. These remainers backing the likes of Swinson need a reality check. Was she not the person that voted with the coaltion for the 'brutal austerity' that many remainers now bemoan? You think she has suddenly found an altrusitic 'let's put the people first' side? I suppose none of that matters as it's a case of stay in the precious EU at any cost for remainers isn't it??

If it was the other way round and Boris was backing remain, I doubt we'd be hearing half of this vitriol towards him from the remain camp.

 

[maxd]

Seems to have gotten a bit tetchy in here. Perhaps a wee breather will cool things down a little: lights out for a day or two.

 

[maxd]

Ok, re-opened. Keep it civil SVP.

 

[steveh35]

Literally we are going to get f****d apparently more ridiculous pro eu nonsense.

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[goatwack]

I can see the correlation, and it's a perfectly logical assessment

God bless this thread. Welcome back