Bonus play vs Non Bonus Play

[silcnlayc]

I do not know if this was ever discussed but I keep seeing people take bonuses with huge wagering requirements. and cannot comprehend it.

Now, I am wondering. If one person has a $3000 wagering requirement on a deposit of say $50 with a match bonus of $50 which is 30x D+B and one hits a huge hit say over a thousand dollars....right at the get go (in the beginning before the bonus is ever touched) what would make a person think that this is ok? I mean, it isn't your money till you clear the wagering so, that beautiful one of a kind hit is pretty much play money..

Why would anyone take a bonus and be forced to play out thousands to collect a few hundred? why do players do it? I am trying to wrap my head around the fact that if I won a few thousand on my initial deposit, I sure wouldn't give it all back just to get a few measley hundred...so I am wondering why players do this?

I read it all the time...Some have $4500 WR on their D+B...I mean...what makes you think that this is a good thing? Some have even lost Random Jackpots because of taking a bonus...

Granted, I have dabbled in a few free chips with max cashouts which I truly dislike and sometimes tell them to keep it, cause it isn't worth the effort especially if you hit a nice decent hit..I feel you just wasted a good hit playing with fun money (theirs) and now you will be back to square one on your wins (zeroed out) and will not win for a long time only to know you have wasted all that money to win a few bucks..

Just wondering...

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[blerko1]

I do not know if this was ever discussed but I keep seeing people take bonuses with huge wagering requirements. and cannot comprehend it.

Now, I am wondering. If one person has a $3000 wagering requirement on a deposit of say $50 with a match bonus of $50 which is 30x D+B and one hits a huge hit say over a thousand dollars....right at the get go (in the beginning before the bonus is ever touched) what would make a person think that this is ok? I mean, it isn't your money till you clear the wagering so, that beautiful one of a kind hit is pretty much play money..

Why would anyone take a bonus and be forced to play out thousands to collect a few hundred? why do players do it? I am trying to wrap my head around the fact that if I won a few thousand on my initial deposit, I sure wouldn't give it all back just to get a few measley hundred...so I am wondering why players do this?

I read it all the time...Some have $4500 WR on their D+B...I mean...what makes you think that this is a good thing? Some have even lost Random Jackpots because of taking a bonus...

Granted, I have dabbled in a few free chips with max cashouts which I truly dislike and sometimes tell them to keep it, cause it isn't worth the effort especially if you hit a nice decent hit..I feel you just wasted a good hit playing with fun money (theirs) and now you will be back to square one on your wins (zeroed out) and will not win for a long time only to know you have wasted all that money to win a few bucks..

Just wondering...

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Me too i dont understand how can you play hours and hours destroying your self only cause you must wait to meet the WR then withdraw ( this is limited also for various bonuses )

I think this make players more ADDICTED in GAMBLING and it is a BAD thing.....A BIG PROBLEM....

Life is beauty when you do many things and not worry so much for the WR....

For me the suggestion is: Make a small deposit without bonus....if you're not lucky dont play more....Also put some limits on spending....and dont DREAM about Big bonuses and Big wins cause its like a lottery that you can win once time in your LIFE and not always.....

Cheers

 

[funeral979]

Well, when I have the time to gamble online, I set aside a whole nite usually....so I dont mind spending hours and hours trying to meet the wagering requirements.

Taking a bonus naturally suits the smaller depositors (like me). If I only have $25 to deposit...I would much rather play with $50 and take the bonus. To me thats a huge difference. And of course keeping your deposits low, keeps your amount to wager low. If you are depositing $100 or more, it makes less sense to me.

And maybe this sounds kinda stupid, but trying to beat the WR adds an additional excitement factor. It gives you something to shoot for. On the rare occasion I deposit without a bonus, I feel kinda lost. Ok, im up $30 bucks, well should I withdraw? Chances are if you manage to beat bonus WR, you are probably up a considerable amount.

I just feel a a little cheeated if I don't get a bonus with my deposit. Its like half the fun isn't there.

 

[blacklabrador]

Funny how this thread popped up after I emailed Club World/High Noon and told them their bonuses are completely ridiculous and to take me off their email list because I am done with RTG for good. How anyone could play through a bonus on RTG and cash out is completely baffling to me. I don't miss them a bit, they can take their tight slots and ridiculous wagering requirements and stick em.

I get some of these on English harbour as well, once again, NEVER take advantage of them because it puts me at a DISADVANTAGE to cash out. I have one and only one casino that I do take advantage of their bonuses and that is simply because its only 20 times the wagering requirement . How these casinos put up 50 times wagering req and people claim those bonuses is beyond me.

 

[De Beuker]

Well, when I have the time to gamble online, I set aside a whole nite usually....so I dont mind spending hours and hours trying to meet the wagering requirements.

Taking a bonus naturally suits the smaller depositors (like me). If I only have $25 to deposit...I would much rather play with $50 and take the bonus. To me thats a huge difference. And of course keeping your deposits low, keeps your amount to wager low. If you are depositing $100 or more, it makes less sense to me.

And maybe this sounds kinda stupid, but trying to beat the WR adds an additional excitement factor. It gives you something to shoot for. On the rare occasion I deposit without a bonus, I feel kinda lost. Ok, im up $30 bucks, well should I withdraw? Chances are if you manage to beat bonus WR, you are probably up a considerable amount.

I just feel a a little cheeated if I don't get a bonus with my deposit. Its like half the fun isn't there.

Pretty much everything Funeral stated.
A bonus gives me something to aim for.

And about playing back a big win? Sorry, but that hardly ever happened to me.
Ofcourse it does happen sometimes, but not all the time like most bonushaters like to believe.
Sometimes I get on a roll and win many times the amount I would have cashed out without a bonus attached.
It works both ways and it always comes down to luck.

Just for the record: All of my biggest RTG cashouts came from huge non-cashable welcomebonuses.

Its also a matter of knowing what games to play at a certain stage.
If you hit big on Mystic Dragon right in the beginning of your session, you can up your bets to insanity and keep playing high variance games, which will most likely end in disaster.
You can also choose to grind it out on low variance games.

But each to his own, I guess if you have a few hundreds or even thousands to deposit every week, bonuses are not so attractive.
But for low budgetplayers like myself, they definately are attractive.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I do not know if this was ever discussed but I keep seeing people take bonuses with huge wagering requirements. and cannot comprehend it.

Now, I am wondering. If one person has a $3000 wagering requirement on a deposit of say $50 with a match bonus of $50 which is 30x D+B and one hits a huge hit say over a thousand dollars....right at the get go (in the beginning before the bonus is ever touched) what would make a person think that this is ok? I mean, it isn't your money till you clear the wagering so, that beautiful one of a kind hit is pretty much play money..

Why would anyone take a bonus and be forced to play out thousands to collect a few hundred? why do players do it? I am trying to wrap my head around the fact that if I won a few thousand on my initial deposit, I sure wouldn't give it all back just to get a few measley hundred...so I am wondering why players do this?

I read it all the time...Some have $4500 WR on their D+B...I mean...what makes you think that this is a good thing? Some have even lost Random Jackpots because of taking a bonus...

Granted, I have dabbled in a few free chips with max cashouts which I truly dislike and sometimes tell them to keep it, cause it isn't worth the effort especially if you hit a nice decent hit..I feel you just wasted a good hit playing with fun money (theirs) and now you will be back to square one on your wins (zeroed out) and will not win for a long time only to know you have wasted all that money to win a few bucks..

Just wondering...

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You are paying for "insurance" with a bonus. By agreeing to wager at least $3000, you are given a $50 "insurance buffer" in case you don't win from your $50 deposit. This more or less doubles your chances of getting a big hit, and WILL work in your favour if this only happens once you are playing on the bonus, having lost the deposit.

The WR is the price the casino charges for this insurance. By looking at the bonus terms, you can work out which casino offers the CHEAPEST deal on this insurance. With no max cashout, and the bonus being cashable, the lowest overall WR per $ deposited gives you the cheapest deal. All the various other terms make the offer more "interesting", but harder to value. So hard in fact, that casinos sometimes get it disasterously wrong

Funny how this thread popped up after I emailed Club World/High Noon and told them their bonuses are completely ridiculous and to take me off their email list because I am done with RTG for good. How anyone could play through a bonus on RTG and cash out is completely baffling to me. I don't miss them a bit, they can take their tight slots and ridiculous wagering requirements and stick em.

I get some of these on English harbour as well, once again, NEVER take advantage of them because it puts me at a DISADVANTAGE to cash out. I have one and only one casino that I do take advantage of their bonuses and that is simply because its only 20 times the wagering requirement . How these casinos put up 50 times wagering req and people claim those bonuses is beyond me.

A high WR would be irrelevant if the bonus was taken to participate in one of those "who can wager the most" promotions, because the intent would be to achieve as high a position as you can on the scoreboard, rather than managing to withdraw early. Having said this, it IS highly beneficial to withdraw in such a situation if WR have been met, because later you can deposit for ANOTHER bonus, which would be better value than using only your own cashable balance to play on (assuming the event has enough time left to run to allow this).

 

[rockycatt]

ive never seen a bonus plus deposite w/r at a B&M

that being said there is only one on the Internet worth the chance and its 5x at 3 dice the rest is ludacris

 

[Seventh777]

A prime example of when bonuses are good, this session was a £100 deposit with a £50 bonus giving me a WR of £1500, my initial spins were £3 a go, say they were for 1 hour at 337 spins an hour = £1011, with another hour and 20 minutes of £6 a spin = 2696 + 1011 = £3707 wagered, obliterating the WR and still just under £1100 in the bank, I don`t think play through requirements were ever a problem at MG casinos in the old days...

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All this for a £20 deposit + £4 bonus, which in turn gave £15`s worth of FS`s......

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In the old days any MG bonus imho was nothing less than an actual real money boost to your initial deposit, now, they are nothing more than a few minutes of extra play.

 

[vinylweatherman]

ive never seen a bonus plus deposite w/r at a B&M

that being said there is only one on the Internet worth the chance and its 5x at 3 dice the rest is ludacris

I've also seen many a B&M bonus WITHOUT WR

Blackpool (long ago), buy a £5 bag of coins, and get 60p free chip (fruit machine tokens), technically 1x WR on the tokens, but you COULD walk out without playing them.

Las Vegas. Free $15 for signing up to players club. Stick card in machine, 1x playthrough and cash out slip, which could then be converted to cash. It seemed that all the casinos on the strip were doing it ("bonus abuse" Vegas style anybody?).

Local arcade - free £10. Fed into machine by attendant, 1x playthrough then walk out.

 

[rockycatt]

I've also seen many a B&M bonus WITHOUT WR

Blackpool (long ago), buy a £5 bag of coins, and get 60p free chip (fruit machine tokens), technically 1x WR on the tokens, but you COULD walk out without playing them.

Las Vegas. Free $15 for signing up to players club. Stick card in machine, 1x playthrough and cash out slip, which could then be converted to cash. It seemed that all the casinos on the strip were doing it ("bonus abuse" Vegas style anybody?).

Local arcade - free £10. Fed into machine by attendant, 1x playthrough then walk out.

also wiskey while you play i supose thats a bonus to .oh and also flop

 

[ksech]

I've often wondered this myself. WRs are going higher and higher, it just doesn't seem logical to put yourself through all of that. Unless you have a relatively good WR (under 20X) with a cashable bonus, it just doesn't seem like a "deal". Before I closed my Slotocash account a few months ago (maybe a little less than that) my promos sucked the big one, one of my promos was a 50% non cashable bonus with a WR of 50X d+b, minimum deposit of $25...$1875 playthrough. For a $12.50 non-cashable bonus? NO THANKS!

I played Hole-In-Won on a non-bonus deposit of $25. Set bet at .60/spin. In 325 spins, not one bonus round. Deposited another $25 non-bonus, played Pigskin Payout at .60/spin. Another 300+ spins with no bonus round. The $12.50 bonus with playthrough would have been IMPOSSIBLE!

 

[silcnlayc]

Seventh777 A prime example of when bonuses are good, this session was a £100 deposit with a £50 bonus giving me a WR of £1500,

Maybe I am not asking it right....What I see here is the chance at a free $50 and it costs $1500 to get the said $50. Ok, where is the logic here?? Not many casinos give no max cashouts anymore, it seems, so what is the point of this?

If I took my initial $100 (like Seventh777) and caught a few hundred....that would satisfy me a lot. But to take the additional $50 for ????? A $1500 dollar playthrough???....um..hello....if I was anywhere close to $1500 I sure wouldn't want it attached to a bonus...it makes no sense at all...because to me it seems the casinos object is for you to play BACK thousands for a mere pittance that was offered (your small bonus) when you could have had those THOUSANDS in your pocket if you chose not to be locked into a useless pittance of a bonus...JMO...

What am I missing here??? Those thousand that you are required to play back could be in your pocket.....but yet, you have to spend it for taking $50 ??? I really am missing something for this seems truly very unbalanced to me....almost like a suckers game....JMO...


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[funeral979]

And about playing back a big win? Sorry, but that hardly ever happened to me.
Ofcourse it does happen sometimes, but not all the time like most bonushaters like to believe.
Sometimes I get on a roll and win many times the amount I would have cashed out without a bonus attached.
It works both ways and it always comes down to luck.

Excellent point that I forgot about!

You might start a session with a really nice hit...say a royal flush on a quarter machine (something I wouldn't even attempt without a bonus as I wouldn't have a decent enough bankroll to be playing max coins in the first place). Now if you were playing without a bonus, you might cashout and take the $1,000 profit (not bad, for sure).....but if you were tied to a bonus and forced to play on, you could get on a great run and you've got a shot at cashing out 5 figures.

 

[ksech]

Excellent point that I forgot about!

You might start a session with a really nice hit...say a royal flush on a quarter machine (something I wouldn't even attempt without a bonus as I wouldn't have a decent enough bankroll to be playing max coins in the first place). Now if you were playing without a bonus, you might cashout and take the $1,000 profit (not bad, for sure).....but if you were tied to a bonus and forced to play on, you could get on a great run and you've got a shot at cashing out 5 figures.

That would work great if there is a no max cashout rule on the bonus. But, if you have $1000 after playthrough and you can only withdraw $500, what's the sense of using a bonus?

 

[Mavin1]

I would agree with Funeral and DeBuker as well. My thought is if I am only depositing $25-$35 I am really not thinking I will win anything anyways, especially not on RTG, well or MG, Rival, so on, at least not these days.

So to take a bonus to give me a bigger bankroll would be favorable as long as it's not a max cashout bonus, those I think are where people go wrong, if they hit a random, because no matter if you do have a nice amount after WR, you still can only cashout usually 10x your deposit. A high wr is also not what I would want to deal with, as it can make play frustrating in the long run.

So for small depositors, a bonus can make play more enjoyable and sometimes fruitful.

For the small depositor that never takes a bonus, maybe then the player would be making 35+ deposits with nothing to show for it.

Max cashouts - Big thumbs down IMO.

For $100 deposits, no need for a bonus, there only good for the $25 $35 deposits.

If I were a big depositor, I wouldn't need a bonus ever.

And if I don't make any sense, it's because I've had a screaming headache all day.

 

[nisosbar]

Maybe I am not asking it right....What I see here is the chance at a free $50 and it costs $1500 to get the said $50. Ok, where is the logic here?? Not many casinos give no max cashouts anymore, it seems, so what is the point of this?

I think maybe part of what you are missing is that a WR doesn't mean you have to deduct $1500 from your balance before you can cash out. It means you have to feed $1500 into the slots. So if you deposit $25 for a $25 bonus with a WR of 30x, and you hit something good, let's say on your very first $1 spin, winning an amount to make your balance $800, then you must feed another $1499 into the slots before cashing out. If you go to a low variance slot with a RTP of 97%, and proceed to spin $0.20 per spin for $1499 x 5 (or 7,495 spins), then I'm not sure how exactly to crunch the numbers, but you are likely to cash out a significant amount above your deposit/bonus, maybe $500? See what I'm saying? Though, the casinos now refer to that as bonus abuse, esp. Rival. I have LONG since stopped taking bonuses, though, but when I did, that's essentially what I did.

 

[Lucky Loser]

I find only the MG bonuses worthwhile even the 30% ones as the 30x playthrough is calculated on the bonus only and not the deposit. It gives me extra money to play with, meaning a better chance to get a good hit or fewer losses if I have a bad run.

I find MG bonuses very easy to meet playthrough and they are fully cashable. As I normally play for a few hours playthrough is never an issue and I regularly get through it.

I would play at RTG casinos more often if they had better bonuses. But 25 or 30x D&B is very hard to meet. Anything less than 100% with such high requirements is daylight robbery in my opinion. Even 100% is not really worthwhile. The only okay bonuses are the Inetbet 100% ones at 20x D&B but they are rare.

The Rival bonuses are even worse. 100% with 50X+ D&B max cashout etc .....is just plain stealing and they are to be avoided at all costs.

 

[nisosbar]

I have one currently on a Rival, deposit $50, get $25, and a 75x WR (x bonus only, not x deposit and bonus), lol. I do NOT envy their chat reps, if you know what I mean.

On edit though, I guess that's not such a bad bonus - it's 25x deposit and bonus amount, and there's no max cashout. Still, I just wouldn't take that.

 

[Stovetopp]

I have also wondered why players take bonuses especially thoe 25% and 50% even for small depositors.

The math just doesn"t add up
You give $50 and get $25 for example
Whatever you hit you will have to play through at least $1500 Thi is criminal IMHO,.
Whereas with no bonus you can cash immediately cash out.

My reason for adding here is the fact I receive so many offers of 50% and 25%bonus aand I am to be excited bout it.
For those of you who take this bonus can you PLEASE tell me the reason. I am sure you are not "stupid"
Thanks

 

[Diane]

Pretty much everything Funeral stated.
A bonus gives me something to aim for.

Its also a matter of knowing what games to play at a certain stage.
If you hit big on Mystic Dragon right in the beginning of your session, you can up your bets to insanity and keep playing high variance games, which will most likely end in disaster.
You can also choose to grind it out on low variance games.

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I know for example that 3Dice shows the "variance" of its games, but where do you find the info on "variance" at other sites? Some RTG games seem to hit bonus rounds pretty often, others are tight as sin.

Is there a guide somewhere that I have overlooked that provides the expected variance at the different sites?

If not, can we start one on our own here?

Diane

 

[Diane]

Sorry, my last post was a bit too vague. What I meant was a list of variance quotients by game, not by site. RTG for example Achilles, high, moderate, or low variance compated to "Big Shot"?

That kind of thing is what I was trying to get across.

Thanks
Diane

 

[felicie]

I don't take them anymore except an occasional good one and certainly not on deposit of $100 or more. And, no max cash out either. The only time I hadn't met wr on a good win was back a few years on pub fruity. It jumped to a grand then 3 then 5 grand and I had to toss money at it until it went down far enough. Maybe it was rtg on crazy dragon. anyway, I 'tossed' back at least a grand maybe a little more but I was still a real happy girl. That's the only time I tried to withdraw and was told wr hadn't been met.

Can we win without taking a bonus? maybe that's the reason I didn't get my usual October win.

 

[gambler777]

Play with bonuses all the time. Do not do bonuses that have a max cashout, unless it is free chip or manager's bonus, which costs me no money. I have never had a problem with playthrough requirements and needed bonus to win many good wins. I only play 2 places, both RTG and have playthrough requirements between 15 and 30 percent depending on the bonus, but never a max cashout. Have been very satisfied and am disappointed when I cannot get a bonus. Just my humble opinion.

 

[colly]

similar to the last poster- will not play max cashout bonuses other than free chips. I use the bonuses for smaller deposits unless the wagering is 15times or less.

quite like the microgaming bonuses however do find it confusing determining who is a clear play bonus casino or a must play through casino.

I find the lowest playthroughs are inetbet (and the bonus can be cashed) . some of the clubworld VIP bonuses.(non cashable) Slotland and Microgaming- Casino reward and the FL group bonuses come after the play - so you can cash out at leisure and then play through or lose the bonus when it is credited the following week.

When the wager requirement is high 25 or 30 times I deposit max of 50 but usually less.

sometimes the small bonuses pay off (rare) but i do find them useful to get through the longer time periods it takes to get bonus rounds at rtg- I have been known to win after playing ages and crashing on a bonus then depositiing cash only and playing the same game

 

[KasinoKing]

My reasons are pretty much the same as Funeral & De Beuker;

Mathematically swings the odds of winning in your favour (if the WR isn't too high, and it's cashable)
Adds the excitement of trying to beat the casino's bonus terms.
Gives more controlled and therefore longer play time.
The extra bonus cash also increases your play time and therefore your chances of a big win.
Gives you a definite point to stop & cash out (finishing the WR).

What I really hate is high WRs, which are just silly (anything over (D+B)x20 is crap IMHO), and Phantom bonuses;
If you play a cashable bonus, you only need to achieve an RTP of around 98% to make a profit.
If it's phantom you MUST get over 100% RTP to make even 1c.

The WR is the price the casino charges for this insurance. By looking at the bonus terms, you can work out which casino offers the CHEAPEST deal on this insurance. With no max cashout, and the bonus being cashable, the lowest overall WR per $ deposited gives you the cheapest deal. All the various other terms make the offer more "interesting", but harder to value.

That is exactly why I came up with a way of ranking bonuses on my sites; so people can see which are the best deals.
... I guess that makes me an insurance salesman!

KK

 

[Seventh777]

Maybe I am not asking it right....What I see here is the chance at a free $50 and it costs $1500 to get the said $50. Ok, where is the logic here?? Not many casinos give no max cashouts anymore, it seems, so what is the point of this?

If I took my initial $100 (like Seventh777) and caught a few hundred....that would satisfy me a lot. But to take the additional $50 for ????? A $1500 dollar playthrough???....um..hello....if I was anywhere close to $1500 I sure wouldn't want it attached to a bonus...it makes no sense at all...because to me it seems the casinos object is for you to play BACK thousands for a mere pittance that was offered (your small bonus) when you could have had those THOUSANDS in your pocket if you chose not to be locked into a useless pittance of a bonus...JMO...

What am I missing here??? Those thousand that you are required to play back could be in your pocket.....but yet, you have to spend it for taking $50 ??? I really am missing something for this seems truly very unbalanced to me....almost like a suckers game....JMO...


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Well, do the maths, I had a wagering of around £3600 and a balance of just under 1100 that`s £4700, the bonus WR was 1500, I would not have started at £3 a spin without that bonus, plus TSII gets considerably better the more achievements you acquire, so any extra cash to chop away at those achievements is beyond helpful.

As seen by my screenshots the largest hit I had was over £500, so are you saying that without a deposit bonus I could have collected that?, instead of carrying on and bypassing the WR with a healthy profit of just under £1000, like I have stated many times - In the past WR were never ever an issue with MG bonuses, so why not take them?.

P.S.

It`s a nigh on guaranteed WR if you do the maths and work out the RTP of around 98%.

 

[silcnlayc]

That would work great if there is a no max cashout rule on the bonus. But, if you have $1000 after playthrough and you can only withdraw $500, what's the sense of using a bonus?

This is what I am asking. You take a bonus, you MUST play out $1500 of your winnings, then you are limited to a withdrwal of $500 when your balance is in the thousands...um...someone do this math for me and tell me this makes sense...

Most bonuses now have 5x-10x max cashouts. You cannot get away from it. Most bonuses also have a 50%-75% match bonus, plus the bonus is NOT cashable.. With this said..I know many still take them. This is what I am trying to figure out why. I guess because many of the complaints have come up because of lack of reading the T&C's and also why would anyone chance a wonderful balance of a few thousand only to withdraw a few hundred? That is what I am not getting.

Not that I need to but I guess it seems like folly to me taking these bonuses in the gambling world and since we all are gamblers, some would rather take a small piece of the pot then go for the gold...Just my thoughts...


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[X-Raided]

My reasons are pretty much the same as Funeral & De Beuker;

Mathematically swings the odds of winning in your favour (if the WR isn't too high, and it's cashable)
Adds the excitement of trying to beat the casino's bonus terms.
Gives more controlled and therefore longer play time.
The extra bonus cash also increases your play time and therefore your chances of a big win.
Gives you a definite point to stop & cash out (finishing the WR).

What I really hate is high WRs, which are just silly (anything over (D+B)x20 is crap IMHO)

I agree 100% with your statement.

 

[silcnlayc]

X-Raided Quote:
Originally Posted by KasinoKing
My reasons are pretty much the same as Funeral & De Beuker;

Mathematically swings the odds of winning in your favour (if the WR isn't too high, and it's cashable)
Adds the excitement of trying to beat the casino's bonus terms.
Gives more controlled and therefore longer play time.
The extra bonus cash also increases your play time and therefore your chances of a big win.
Gives you a definite point to stop & cash out (finishing the WR).

What I really hate is high WRs, which are just silly (anything over (D+B)x20 is crap IMHO)

So let's put it in real terms(My version of understandin)
Jack has $25 and asks John if he would like to match this 100%.

John says sure on the condition that Jack does not take any monies for himself until Jack has paid John $1500 in any winnings.

Then anything above and beyond that Jack must also give back John his initial $25.

Jack also cannot go above the 10x win in his match bonus in withdrawing (John is securing his monies to keep Jack from playing back any winnings earned that belonged to John above and beyond his initial $1500 paid to John)
So now Jack, earned $1500 but had to give it up to John for the $25 investment John gave....but not only that, Jack now must now try and reach a sum large enough to feel like he has won something.....only to give John back another $25 out of any other winnings...So jack is left with a few hundred bucks never meeting his 10x cashout, Jack happily goes his way with $136 after all is said and done...and John goes his merry way with Jacks $1525......

And this makes sense???? Why would anyone use their own money to PAY John? If this was a free chip given by a casino, then this scenerio is a moot point...and I am all for free chips because you have invested anything...

But taking a bonus..once again seems like folly to me...but then , that is why we are made all differently!

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[Mavin1]

I totally get what you are saying Silc, but also have to view it from a different perspective.

On the basis of not taking a bonus, how likely is it that a player depositing $25 or $35 will ever hit anything? As we all know, but cannot prove, the system will most likely suck you dry until you have made x amount of deposits into this system, before giving up the win that may equal what you have already spent.

Now we have also seen, players that take bonuses, for some uncanny reason may hit a random or a win equal to a random, usually early on, this is my suspicious mind speaking here, but therefore the player now has a huge bankroll to work through the wr.

The money won is not the players money until the wr is met. It's also not extra money the casino wins either as it is virtual money that doesn't exist, kind of like the US dollar.

9 times out of 10, I think from what I have read and followed on this forum, this is how the system works. Make your deposit without the legal attachment of a bonus and you will be "virtually" screwed most of the time.

Take a bonus that is reasonable, have a good win and manage it in your favor and you have a good chance of coming out with some real money after dealing with the virtual money.

Or you have the chance of being tagged a syndicate for having the brains to play the bonus in your favor instead of getting reckless, making high plays on tight games, hoping for that mega thousand dollar win.

Unlike B&M's, online virtual casinos, I believe have the ability to micro manage every player out there and does adjust automatically according to how one plays and wagers.

So to keep the myth of random behavior alive and well, some will win a random or a regular nice win on a deposit alone, most will not, same with taking a bonus, some will, some won't. But either way a player has to manage his budget when playing that gives him/her the best advantage.

But this is just my distrust speaking for a system that is computer generated in a virtual world that has no building I can walk into, a machine to sit in front of and actually touch, people milling about, noises all around, bells and whistles going off as some players scream for having won a jackpot and we can turn and look at that person jumping up and down in excitement. You see it in a B&M, hear it and feel it. In the virtual world where it is an illusion on my computer monitor, I don't know if it's real or not, except for that very rare withdrawal that mysteriously arrives in my account to perpetuate the illusion that maybe it's real, so keep feeding it, but how can I be sure of anything so untangible.

JMO

 

[funeral979]

Silc, I can understand your points too....if we were talking about max cashout bonuses.

But I never use max cashout bonuses, and I almost never take bonuses under 100%. And believe me there are tons of good bonuses out there that are no max cashout and 100%-200%.

Actually, the only max cashout bonuses I can think of (excluding free chips of course) are Rival (shit software that I don't see why people play in the first place anymore), and Bet Phoenix, and rogue RTG's. So I don't understand why you keep saying you have to be limited to winning 10x your deposit?

 

[silcnlayc]

funeral979:So I don't understand why you keep saying you have to be limited to winning 10x your deposit?

Because that is the terms on all I see offered when the bonus is 100% or better.

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[Repro]

Sometimes a casino really gets it...

Most of the time i play at Partycasino, if possible with bonus.

You can cashout without any restrictions everything above the D+B without achieving any WR. This way it's no problem if you get a big win, because you can just cashout and continue playing the WR for the initial D+B.

I once had a deposit of $100 + 100% match, had a big win in 4 spins ($1250 @ $2.25 a spin), cashed out $1000 and kept playing with the remaining money, which i - obviously - lost

In less than 2 hours the money was on my NETELLER. Gotta love those guys !

Cashable Bonus WR 20x no max cashout

Cheers !



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Long time silent reader

 

[X-Raided]

I rarely take an RTG bonus. IMO, it's just to hard to beat.

Sometimes, I might accept a 3Dice bonus.

I'll always take a Rich Reels or Villento bonus, based on the fact
that they offer 15WR (D+B) NO MAX Cash-out, which is reasonable on a small deposit.

But like the typo below states...

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In the end, you simply just cannot win.

 

[denamoutz]

Okay, so what does anyone think of the challenge that Davincis Gold is runnin? Simply deposit 50, and play with 500, no WR, just make it to 25,000 or over to be able to cash out. Would this be worth playin? This is a very different type of bonus. What like to hear somebodies input on this

 

[KasinoKing]

Okay, so what does anyone think of the challenge that Davincis Gold is runnin? Simply deposit 50, and play with 500, no WR, just make it to 25,000 or over to be able to cash out. Would this be worth playin? This is a very different type of bonus. What like to hear somebodies input on this

To be honest, your chances of making it to $25,000 are extremely slim.
It's a bit like buying 50 lottery tickets really; if $50 doesn't mean that much to you then it might be worth a shot.

Just for other's info, with this one you can play ANY game, except progressive slots.
They are also doing a similar one which is just for table games, but you "only" need to get up to $10,000.
Both these bonuses are for new players only.

Note: DaVinci's Gold is on the CasinoMeister's "not recommended" list right now.

KK

 

[marcsudbury]

i take a bonus on almost all deposits...i love the buy $150 get $500 at club world casinos.....insane playthroughprobably the bigest one.


i bet big win big.......as long as you have a few above average hits, the playthroughis never hard. bet $10-$12 a spin it doesn't take long to playthrough whatever it is..

i had a day on a fortune lounge casino where i was never over $3500, but my playthough fir the day was around $90 000.

yes it sucks when your biggest hit is right at the beginning, however for me, my wins don't usually come in the first $100. it's later on most of the time.

so it's a preference really, if you bet small and you cash out between $100 and $400. maybe a bonus id a bad thing.

i never cashout unless it's over $2000, if i'm lucky enough to win that day, i hope to win life changing money, otherwise it's just a fun day playing casinos.

 

[ksech]

Sorry guys, I have to side with silc on this one. Although I seldom used a bonus (and maybe this is the reason why I did receive crapola offers), when an almost okay bonus came along, it always had a max cashout tied to it. So, I would pass on it. The very few times I ever took a bonus, playing my usual way, .60/spin, it was still eaten up in a matter of minutes. Perhaps I wasn't playing the right slots, or at the right time of day, or on the right day....who knows, the bonus maybe extended my play a few more minutes.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Sorry guys, I have to side with silc on this one. Although I seldom used a bonus (and maybe this is the reason why I did receive crapola offers), when an almost okay bonus came along, it always had a max cashout tied to it. So, I would pass on it. The very few times I ever took a bonus, playing my usual way, .60/spin, it was still eaten up in a matter of minutes. Perhaps I wasn't playing the right slots, or at the right time of day, or on the right day....who knows, the bonus maybe extended my play a few more minutes.

Erm Casinos that have max cashout are FAR far fewer than the casinos that dont. Bet phoenix and a few others that im aware of and even betphoenix has a nice 110 % deposit bonus with NO max cashout claimable as many times as you want. For the people wanting to extend their playtime and ENJOY playing the games AS WELL as hoping for a cashout, bonuses are no brainers for extending the longevity of their deposits. Its not rocket science

 

[Nate]

IMPO (Note the emphasis on the aforementioned word) I have come to believe that Bonuses reduce your chances of a cashout. Besides the -EV and all that Jazz something ain't right ... Take the comment as you feel, Ignore it or use it... up to you. No conspiracy here, so don't bother lambasting me for evidence...

Nate

 

[silcnlayc]

KK: Glad I ate her...

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Just in the nick of time!

Rapidly approaching WR on a £150 deposit, my bank was below £50 when I was saved by this 5-scatter hit & a bet x 309 win on Gladiator!
(The final result of the free-spins was £154.64 from a 50p spin)
KK

Taken from winner screenshots...(KK, this is exactly what I was refering to, please do not take this wrong, it was perfect timing you posting this) Here he got a nice hit but has to continue giving back to John his winnings because he has not met his WR just yet..(referring to my earlier little scenerio)

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This is what really gets my goat !!

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Received this snail mail from Jackpot Capitol today.

Even though the $25 free bonus is appreciated, I find the wording very deceptive.

I'll attach the terms also - which of course you can't see until after taking up the offer

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And then you have this on a free chip. And you wonder why I cannot understand anyone taking a bonus? KK had $150 with a bonus and WR...he finally hit something and his balance is barely at $200...now....he must finish meeting his WR...and he is back to where he started...

This is the NORM for many...I do understand the extended play thoughts and the "feels like a challenge" thoughts, but to me, I see it as wasted time and money because of not being able to withdraw when you choose to... KK gave a perfect example here..and it read just like my devised script from earlier!

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[mattsgame]

Taken from winner screenshots...(KK, this is exactly what I was refering to, please do not take this wrong, it was perfect timing you posting this) Here he got a nice hit but has to continue giving back to John his winnings because he has not met his WR just yet..(referring to my earlier little scenerio)

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And then you have this on a free chip. And you wonder why I cannot understand anyone taking a bonus? KK had $150 with a bonus and WR...he finally hit something and his balance is barely at $200...now....he must finish meeting his WR...and he is back to where he started...

This is the NORM for many...I do understand the extended play thoughts and the "feels like a challenge" thoughts, but to me, I see it as wasted time and money because of not being able to withdraw when you choose to... KK gave a perfect example here..and it read just like my devised script from earlier!

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Ii KK didn't take the bonus he would have been out of the game before getting to that hit.That Jackpot Capital one is a bit disturbing and misleading.

Personally I don't/didn't like taking bonuses because of all the terms and conditions and if I did hit I would like to cash-out asap, But after taking a few at 32Red and meeting the wagering requirements quite easily I don't mind taking them every now & again.

Most of the bonuses I take are at 32Red so I cannot comment for anywhere else but they have no max cash-out you can play progressives and there is no stupid hidden terms.

If all casinos could follow that example I would definitely think twice about a bonus if I was offered one.

Cheers
Matt

 

[pokerdan]

I take up bonuses all the time even if the playthrough is 3k. It also depends on which site. If I am playing RTG I can easily hit spin and stop very quickly and get the high playthrough very fast. The main reason i take the bonus's is because I get more money to play with which means more fun. I can also risk higher amounts of money and possibly hit bigger payouts. I do not always take up bonus's however, and it just depends if I am in the mood to put quite a few hours into play. I actually like taking up 50-75% bonus's more than 100% because they are easier to clear. But like I stated, if it is RTG it is pretty easy to clear 3k, even betting 50 cents a spin. I have had a lot of wins on RTG by clearing humongous playthroughs. But, if I just want to play and not worry about when I can cash out than I just deposit and play. I generally try my best to use the bonus's to increase my play time if I have a lot of free time. Obviously on sites like 3dice the bonus' are not there, and that is fine with me. However it all depends on where i want to play.

For example Platinum play gives me 25% deposit bonus' and river belle gives me 50% bonus'. I generally mainly play at river belle because the extra 25% goes a long way and is not that much harder to clear. Oh course when it comes to 100% deposit bonus' I do not deposit more than 50.00. I got a deal to get 100% up to 400.00 today, but I would never deposit 400.00 and play with 800.00, because that would be ridiculous to clear. I think it just depends on what your reason for playing is! If your a high roller the deposit bonus' might be pointless because you are just mainly betting big and cashing out if you hit. If you want to play a lot longer and get more entertainment the bonus' are a very good option. I also like the fact the deposit bonus' have no max cashout. If they did have max cashout restrictions I would never take them!

I took a 75& bonus on grand eagle tonight on a 30.00 buy in and cleared the playthrough in a few hours and cashed out around 200.00. If I bought in for 30.00 and never took the bonus I would not have bet as much per spin as I did and never got up to 200.00 as my cashout. I would have prob had around 100.00 instead.

 

[KasinoKing]

Taken from winner screenshots...(KK, this is exactly what I was refering to, please do not take this wrong, it was perfect timing you posting this) Here he got a nice hit but has to continue giving back to John his winnings because he has not met his WR just yet..(referring to my earlier little scenerio)
KK had $150 with a bonus and WR...he finally hit something and his balance is barely at $200...now....he must finish meeting his WR...and he is back to where he started...

This is the NORM for many...I do understand the extended play thoughts and the "feels like a challenge" thoughts, but to me, I see it as wasted time and money because of not being able to withdraw when you choose to... KK gave a perfect example here..and it read just like my devised script from earlier! .

As Mattsgame has pointed out, without the bonus I wouldn't have even been playing that slot in the first place because I would have already lost all of my £150. I was playing with the £75 bonus chips when I had that big hit.

That took my balance up to £208 with only £215 more WR to do from the original £4,500.
As it happens I stayed on that slot and after 100 more spins I doubled my bets to £1/spin... and it died! I lost £108 in just £283 of wagering, and having met the WR I cashed-out £100 = a £50 loss overall.
But I could (and probably should) have low-rolled the rest of the WR to virtually guarantee a small profit, or I could have luckily hit another big win and made a big profit!

Each to their own; some of us love playing with bonuses, and some of us hate it. No problem!

KK

 

[silcnlayc]

As Mattsgame has pointed out, without the bonus I wouldn't have even been playing that slot in the first place because I would have already lost all of my £150. I was playing with the £75 bonus chips when I had that big hit.

That took my balance up to £208 with only £215 more WR to do from the original £4,500.
As it happens I stayed on that slot and after 100 more spins I doubled my bets to £1/spin... and it died! I lost £108 in just £283 of wagering, and having met the WR I cashed-out £100 = a £50 loss overall.
But I could (and probably should) have low-rolled the rest of the WR to virtually guarantee a small profit, or I could have luckily hit another big win and made a big profit!

Each to their own; some of us love playing with bonuses, and some of us hate it. No problem!

KK

Thank you for reading it the way it was meant (as my take on bonuses without meaning any offense)....I agree totally, to each their own...even if I will never understand it...

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