Bonus play vs Non Bonus Play

silcnlayc

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I do not know if this was ever discussed but I keep seeing people take bonuses with huge wagering requirements. and cannot comprehend it.

Now, I am wondering. If one person has a $3000 wagering requirement on a deposit of say $50 with a match bonus of $50 which is 30x D+B and one hits a huge hit say over a thousand dollars....right at the get go (in the beginning before the bonus is ever touched) what would make a person think that this is ok? I mean, it isn't your money till you clear the wagering so, that beautiful one of a kind hit is pretty much play money..

Why would anyone take a bonus and be forced to play out thousands to collect a few hundred? why do players do it? I am trying to wrap my head around the fact that if I won a few thousand on my initial deposit, I sure wouldn't give it all back just to get a few measley hundred...so I am wondering why players do this?

I read it all the time...Some have $4500 WR on their D+B...I mean...what makes you think that this is a good thing? Some have even lost Random Jackpots because of taking a bonus...

Granted, I have dabbled in a few free chips with max cashouts which I truly dislike and sometimes tell them to keep it, cause it isn't worth the effort especially if you hit a nice decent hit..I feel you just wasted a good hit playing with fun money (theirs) and now you will be back to square one on your wins (zeroed out) and will not win for a long time only to know you have wasted all that money to win a few bucks..

Just wondering...

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blerko1

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I do not know if this was ever discussed but I keep seeing people take bonuses with huge wagering requirements. and cannot comprehend it.

Now, I am wondering. If one person has a $3000 wagering requirement on a deposit of say $50 with a match bonus of $50 which is 30x D+B and one hits a huge hit say over a thousand dollars....right at the get go (in the beginning before the bonus is ever touched) what would make a person think that this is ok? I mean, it isn't your money till you clear the wagering so, that beautiful one of a kind hit is pretty much play money..

Why would anyone take a bonus and be forced to play out thousands to collect a few hundred? why do players do it? I am trying to wrap my head around the fact that if I won a few thousand on my initial deposit, I sure wouldn't give it all back just to get a few measley hundred...so I am wondering why players do this?

I read it all the time...Some have $4500 WR on their D+B...I mean...what makes you think that this is a good thing? Some have even lost Random Jackpots because of taking a bonus...

Granted, I have dabbled in a few free chips with max cashouts which I truly dislike and sometimes tell them to keep it, cause it isn't worth the effort especially if you hit a nice decent hit..I feel you just wasted a good hit playing with fun money (theirs) and now you will be back to square one on your wins (zeroed out) and will not win for a long time only to know you have wasted all that money to win a few bucks..

Just wondering...

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Me too i dont understand how can you play hours and hours destroying your self only cause you must wait to meet the WR then withdraw ( this is limited also for various bonuses )

I think this make players more ADDICTED in GAMBLING and it is a BAD thing.....A BIG PROBLEM....

Life is beauty when you do many things and not worry so much for the WR....

For me the suggestion is: Make a small deposit without bonus....if you're not lucky dont play more....Also put some limits on spending....and dont DREAM about Big bonuses and Big wins cause its like a lottery that you can win once time in your LIFE and not always.....

Cheers :)
 

funeral979

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Well, when I have the time to gamble online, I set aside a whole nite usually....so I dont mind spending hours and hours trying to meet the wagering requirements.

Taking a bonus naturally suits the smaller depositors (like me:D). If I only have $25 to deposit...I would much rather play with $50 and take the bonus. To me thats a huge difference. And of course keeping your deposits low, keeps your amount to wager low. If you are depositing $100 or more, it makes less sense to me.

And maybe this sounds kinda stupid, but trying to beat the WR adds an additional excitement factor. It gives you something to shoot for. On the rare occasion I deposit without a bonus, I feel kinda lost. Ok, im up $30 bucks, well should I withdraw? Chances are if you manage to beat bonus WR, you are probably up a considerable amount.

I just feel a a little cheeated if I don't get a bonus with my deposit. Its like half the fun isn't there.
 

blacklabrador

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Funny how this thread popped up after I emailed Club World/High Noon and told them their bonuses are completely ridiculous and to take me off their email list because I am done with RTG for good. How anyone could play through a bonus on RTG and cash out is completely baffling to me. I don't miss them a bit, they can take their tight slots and ridiculous wagering requirements and stick em.

I get some of these on English harbour as well, once again, NEVER take advantage of them because it puts me at a DISADVANTAGE to cash out. I have one and only one casino that I do take advantage of their bonuses and that is simply because its only 20 times the wagering requirement . How these casinos put up 50 times wagering req and people claim those bonuses is beyond me.:eek2:
 

De Beuker

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Well, when I have the time to gamble online, I set aside a whole nite usually....so I dont mind spending hours and hours trying to meet the wagering requirements.

Taking a bonus naturally suits the smaller depositors (like me:D). If I only have $25 to deposit...I would much rather play with $50 and take the bonus. To me thats a huge difference. And of course keeping your deposits low, keeps your amount to wager low. If you are depositing $100 or more, it makes less sense to me.

And maybe this sounds kinda stupid, but trying to beat the WR adds an additional excitement factor. It gives you something to shoot for. On the rare occasion I deposit without a bonus, I feel kinda lost. Ok, im up $30 bucks, well should I withdraw? Chances are if you manage to beat bonus WR, you are probably up a considerable amount.

I just feel a a little cheeated if I don't get a bonus with my deposit. Its like half the fun isn't there.


Pretty much everything Funeral stated.
A bonus gives me something to aim for.

And about playing back a big win? Sorry, but that hardly ever happened to me.
Ofcourse it does happen sometimes, but not all the time like most bonushaters like to believe.
Sometimes I get on a roll and win many times the amount I would have cashed out without a bonus attached.
It works both ways and it always comes down to luck.;)

Just for the record: All of my biggest RTG cashouts came from huge non-cashable welcomebonuses.

Its also a matter of knowing what games to play at a certain stage.
If you hit big on Mystic Dragon right in the beginning of your session, you can up your bets to insanity and keep playing high variance games, which will most likely end in disaster.
You can also choose to grind it out on low variance games.

But each to his own, I guess if you have a few hundreds or even thousands to deposit every week, bonuses are not so attractive.
But for low budgetplayers like myself, they definately are attractive.
 

vinylweatherman

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I do not know if this was ever discussed but I keep seeing people take bonuses with huge wagering requirements. and cannot comprehend it.

Now, I am wondering. If one person has a $3000 wagering requirement on a deposit of say $50 with a match bonus of $50 which is 30x D+B and one hits a huge hit say over a thousand dollars....right at the get go (in the beginning before the bonus is ever touched) what would make a person think that this is ok? I mean, it isn't your money till you clear the wagering so, that beautiful one of a kind hit is pretty much play money..

Why would anyone take a bonus and be forced to play out thousands to collect a few hundred? why do players do it? I am trying to wrap my head around the fact that if I won a few thousand on my initial deposit, I sure wouldn't give it all back just to get a few measley hundred...so I am wondering why players do this?

I read it all the time...Some have $4500 WR on their D+B...I mean...what makes you think that this is a good thing? Some have even lost Random Jackpots because of taking a bonus...

Granted, I have dabbled in a few free chips with max cashouts which I truly dislike and sometimes tell them to keep it, cause it isn't worth the effort especially if you hit a nice decent hit..I feel you just wasted a good hit playing with fun money (theirs) and now you will be back to square one on your wins (zeroed out) and will not win for a long time only to know you have wasted all that money to win a few bucks..

Just wondering...

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You are paying for "insurance" with a bonus. By agreeing to wager at least $3000, you are given a $50 "insurance buffer" in case you don't win from your $50 deposit. This more or less doubles your chances of getting a big hit, and WILL work in your favour if this only happens once you are playing on the bonus, having lost the deposit.

The WR is the price the casino charges for this insurance. By looking at the bonus terms, you can work out which casino offers the CHEAPEST deal on this insurance. With no max cashout, and the bonus being cashable, the lowest overall WR per $ deposited gives you the cheapest deal. All the various other terms make the offer more "interesting", but harder to value. So hard in fact, that casinos sometimes get it disasterously wrong

Funny how this thread popped up after I emailed Club World/High Noon and told them their bonuses are completely ridiculous and to take me off their email list because I am done with RTG for good. How anyone could play through a bonus on RTG and cash out is completely baffling to me. I don't miss them a bit, they can take their tight slots and ridiculous wagering requirements and stick em.

I get some of these on English harbour as well, once again, NEVER take advantage of them because it puts me at a DISADVANTAGE to cash out. I have one and only one casino that I do take advantage of their bonuses and that is simply because its only 20 times the wagering requirement . How these casinos put up 50 times wagering req and people claim those bonuses is beyond me.:eek2:

A high WR would be irrelevant if the bonus was taken to participate in one of those "who can wager the most" promotions, because the intent would be to achieve as high a position as you can on the scoreboard, rather than managing to withdraw early. Having said this, it IS highly beneficial to withdraw in such a situation if WR have been met, because later you can deposit for ANOTHER bonus, which would be better value than using only your own cashable balance to play on (assuming the event has enough time left to run to allow this).
 

rockycatt

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ive never seen a bonus plus deposite w/r at a B&M :D:D:D

that being said there is only one on the Internet worth the chance and its 5x at 3 dice the rest is ludacris
 

Seventh777

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A prime example of when bonuses are good, this session was a £100 deposit with a £50 bonus giving me a WR of £1500, my initial spins were £3 a go, say they were for 1 hour at 337 spins an hour = £1011, with another hour and 20 minutes of £6 a spin = 2696 + 1011 = £3707 wagered, obliterating the WR and still just under £1100 in the bank, I don`t think play through requirements were ever a problem at MG casinos in the old days...

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All this for a £20 deposit + £4 bonus, which in turn gave £15`s worth of FS`s......

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In the old days any MG bonus imho was nothing less than an actual real money boost to your initial deposit, now, they are nothing more than a few minutes of extra play:(.
 

vinylweatherman

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ive never seen a bonus plus deposite w/r at a B&M :D:D:D

that being said there is only one on the Internet worth the chance and its 5x at 3 dice the rest is ludacris

I've also seen many a B&M bonus WITHOUT WR:D

Blackpool (long ago), buy a £5 bag of coins, and get 60p free chip (fruit machine tokens), technically 1x WR on the tokens, but you COULD walk out without playing them.

Las Vegas. Free $15 for signing up to players club. Stick card in machine, 1x playthrough and cash out slip, which could then be converted to cash. It seemed that all the casinos on the strip were doing it ("bonus abuse" Vegas style anybody?:D).

Local arcade - free £10. Fed into machine by attendant, 1x playthrough then walk out.
 

rockycatt

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I've also seen many a B&M bonus WITHOUT WR:D

Blackpool (long ago), buy a £5 bag of coins, and get 60p free chip (fruit machine tokens), technically 1x WR on the tokens, but you COULD walk out without playing them.

Las Vegas. Free $15 for signing up to players club. Stick card in machine, 1x playthrough and cash out slip, which could then be converted to cash. It seemed that all the casinos on the strip were doing it ("bonus abuse" Vegas style anybody?:D).

Local arcade - free £10. Fed into machine by attendant, 1x playthrough then walk out.

also wiskey while you play i supose thats a bonus to .oh and also flop :D
 

ksech

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I've often wondered this myself. WRs are going higher and higher, it just doesn't seem logical to put yourself through all of that. Unless you have a relatively good WR (under 20X) with a cashable bonus, it just doesn't seem like a "deal". Before I closed my Slotocash account a few months ago (maybe a little less than that) my promos sucked the big one, one of my promos was a 50% non cashable bonus with a WR of 50X d+b, minimum deposit of $25...$1875 playthrough. For a $12.50 non-cashable bonus? NO THANKS!

I played Hole-In-Won on a non-bonus deposit of $25. Set bet at .60/spin. In 325 spins, not one bonus round. Deposited another $25 non-bonus, played Pigskin Payout at .60/spin. Another 300+ spins with no bonus round. The $12.50 bonus with playthrough would have been IMPOSSIBLE!
 

silcnlayc

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Seventh777 A prime example of when bonuses are good, this session was a £100 deposit with a £50 bonus giving me a WR of £1500,
Maybe I am not asking it right....What I see here is the chance at a free $50 and it costs $1500 to get the said $50. Ok, where is the logic here?? Not many casinos give no max cashouts anymore, it seems, so what is the point of this?

If I took my initial $100 (like Seventh777) and caught a few hundred....that would satisfy me a lot. But to take the additional $50 for ????? A $1500 dollar playthrough???....um..hello....if I was anywhere close to $1500 I sure wouldn't want it attached to a bonus...it makes no sense at all...because to me it seems the casinos object is for you to play BACK thousands for a mere pittance that was offered (your small bonus) when you could have had those THOUSANDS in your pocket if you chose not to be locked into a useless pittance of a bonus...JMO...

What am I missing here??? Those thousand that you are required to play back could be in your pocket.....but yet, you have to spend it for taking $50 ??? I really am missing something for this seems truly very unbalanced to me....almost like a suckers game....JMO...


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funeral979

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And about playing back a big win? Sorry, but that hardly ever happened to me.
Ofcourse it does happen sometimes, but not all the time like most bonushaters like to believe.
Sometimes I get on a roll and win many times the amount I would have cashed out without a bonus attached.
It works both ways and it always comes down to luck.;)

Excellent point that I forgot about!

You might start a session with a really nice hit...say a royal flush on a quarter machine (something I wouldn't even attempt without a bonus as I wouldn't have a decent enough bankroll to be playing max coins in the first place). Now if you were playing without a bonus, you might cashout and take the $1,000 profit (not bad, for sure).....but if you were tied to a bonus and forced to play on, you could get on a great run and you've got a shot at cashing out 5 figures.
 

ksech

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Excellent point that I forgot about!

You might start a session with a really nice hit...say a royal flush on a quarter machine (something I wouldn't even attempt without a bonus as I wouldn't have a decent enough bankroll to be playing max coins in the first place). Now if you were playing without a bonus, you might cashout and take the $1,000 profit (not bad, for sure).....but if you were tied to a bonus and forced to play on, you could get on a great run and you've got a shot at cashing out 5 figures.

That would work great if there is a no max cashout rule on the bonus. But, if you have $1000 after playthrough and you can only withdraw $500, what's the sense of using a bonus?
 

Mavin1

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I would agree with Funeral and DeBuker as well. My thought is if I am only depositing $25-$35 I am really not thinking I will win anything anyways, especially not on RTG, well or MG, Rival, so on, at least not these days.

So to take a bonus to give me a bigger bankroll would be favorable as long as it's not a max cashout bonus, those I think are where people go wrong, if they hit a random, because no matter if you do have a nice amount after WR, you still can only cashout usually 10x your deposit. A high wr is also not what I would want to deal with, as it can make play frustrating in the long run.

So for small depositors, a bonus can make play more enjoyable and sometimes fruitful.

For the small depositor that never takes a bonus, maybe then the player would be making 35+ deposits with nothing to show for it.

Max cashouts - Big thumbs down IMO.

For $100 deposits, no need for a bonus, there only good for the $25 $35 deposits.

If I were a big depositor, I wouldn't need a bonus ever.

And if I don't make any sense, it's because I've had a screaming headache all day. :(
 

nisosbar

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Maybe I am not asking it right....What I see here is the chance at a free $50 and it costs $1500 to get the said $50. Ok, where is the logic here?? Not many casinos give no max cashouts anymore, it seems, so what is the point of this?

I think maybe part of what you are missing is that a WR doesn't mean you have to deduct $1500 from your balance before you can cash out. It means you have to feed $1500 into the slots. So if you deposit $25 for a $25 bonus with a WR of 30x, and you hit something good, let's say on your very first $1 spin, winning an amount to make your balance $800, then you must feed another $1499 into the slots before cashing out. If you go to a low variance slot with a RTP of 97%, and proceed to spin $0.20 per spin for $1499 x 5 (or 7,495 spins), then I'm not sure how exactly to crunch the numbers, but you are likely to cash out a significant amount above your deposit/bonus, maybe $500? See what I'm saying? Though, the casinos now refer to that as bonus abuse, esp. Rival. :rolleyes: I have LONG since stopped taking bonuses, though, but when I did, that's essentially what I did.
 

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I find only the MG bonuses worthwhile even the 30% ones as the 30x playthrough is calculated on the bonus only and not the deposit. It gives me extra money to play with, meaning a better chance to get a good hit or fewer losses if I have a bad run.

I find MG bonuses very easy to meet playthrough and they are fully cashable. As I normally play for a few hours playthrough is never an issue and I regularly get through it.

I would play at RTG casinos more often if they had better bonuses. But 25 or 30x D&B is very hard to meet. Anything less than 100% with such high requirements is daylight robbery in my opinion. Even 100% is not really worthwhile. The only okay bonuses are the Inetbet 100% ones at 20x D&B but they are rare.

The Rival bonuses are even worse. 100% with 50X+ D&B max cashout etc .....is just plain stealing and they are to be avoided at all costs.
 

nisosbar

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I have one currently on a Rival, deposit $50, get $25, and a 75x WR (x bonus only, not x deposit and bonus), lol. :D I do NOT envy their chat reps, if you know what I mean.

On edit though, I guess that's not such a bad bonus - it's 25x deposit and bonus amount, and there's no max cashout. Still, I just wouldn't take that.
 

Stovetopp

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I have also wondered why players take bonuses especially thoe 25% and 50% even for small depositors.

The math just doesn"t add up
You give $50 and get $25 for example
Whatever you hit you will have to play through at least $1500 Thi is criminal IMHO,.
Whereas with no bonus you can cash immediately cash out.

My reason for adding here is the fact I receive so many offers of 50% and 25%bonus aand I am to be excited bout it.
For those of you who take this bonus can you PLEASE tell me the reason. I am sure you are not "stupid"
Thanks
 

Diane

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Pretty much everything Funeral stated.
A bonus gives me something to aim for.

Its also a matter of knowing what games to play at a certain stage.
If you hit big on Mystic Dragon right in the beginning of your session, you can up your bets to insanity and keep playing high variance games, which will most likely end in disaster.
You can also choose to grind it out on low variance games.

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I know for example that 3Dice shows the "variance" of its games, but where do you find the info on "variance" at other sites? Some RTG games seem to hit bonus rounds pretty often, others are tight as sin.

Is there a guide somewhere that I have overlooked that provides the expected variance at the different sites?

If not, can we start one on our own here?

Diane
 
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