New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming
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Funny thing how one of them almost recovered after losing €500 on €0.20 bets. Imagine playing €2 bets
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I just wondered how much i have played this slot so went to VS supp and asked for some stats apparently i have wagered a total of 494,621.00 EUR in Bonanza with a RTP of 99%
still waiting for the amount of spins played there i'll let you guys know when i get some stats back i have had one 1800x base game hit and a couple of 1000x + hits in the freespins
never hit above 2000x .
This is only at VS i play this slot at most casino's (casumo,V&J,Mrgreen and so on)
Lately its been really hard on me couple sessions without even triggering freespins makes me wonder... I think most 1000x came from white rabbit and it hasn't even been released that long lol.....problably buying the feature helps.
still waiting for the amount of spins played there i'll let you guys know when i get some stats back i have had one 1800x base game hit and a couple of 1000x + hits in the freespins
never hit above 2000x .
This is only at VS i play this slot at most casino's (casumo,V&J,Mrgreen and so on)
Lately its been really hard on me couple sessions without even triggering freespins makes me wonder... I think most 1000x came from white rabbit and it hasn't even been released that long lol.....problably buying the feature helps.
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Ok seeing this game from a new perspective makes me recoil in horror. Those stats are grim to say the least.....it's little wonder the base game is so steady when the bonuses take so long to appear 
I mean seriously now, over a thousand spins isn't acceptable to wait for a feature, and this is fast becoming the norm. Scandalous really.
Seeing it laid out before you makes quite a difference. I know we like to hold out hope for that wonder hit but in the cold light of day, looking at that I know it's never gonna happen.
I think I'll err, cut back my Bonanza time from now on and focus on other slots. Sick of this emperor's new clothes shit
I mean seriously now, over a thousand spins isn't acceptable to wait for a feature, and this is fast becoming the norm. Scandalous really.
Seeing it laid out before you makes quite a difference. I know we like to hold out hope for that wonder hit but in the cold light of day, looking at that I know it's never gonna happen.
I think I'll err, cut back my Bonanza time from now on and focus on other slots. Sick of this emperor's new clothes shit
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The game gives you base games hits, not enough to make you want to hit withdraw but enough to keep you turning over and escalating your RTP, until such a time it decides enough is enough and it decimates your balance.
My RTP is fairly decent on VS but I have never managed to withdraw, yet I lost hundreds of pounds on it, purely because of the small consistent base game hits - make of that what you will. I have actually not deposited anywhere in over a week now as either you keep pounding away or you give up totally - it's a slot that would definitely make you want to quit completely.
My RTP is fairly decent on VS but I have never managed to withdraw, yet I lost hundreds of pounds on it, purely because of the small consistent base game hits - make of that what you will. I have actually not deposited anywhere in over a week now as either you keep pounding away or you give up totally - it's a slot that would definitely make you want to quit completely.
I do believe tis slot will be the poster child for getting people to quit.....albeit without a penny to their name and their inside pockets turned out. It's the very definition of a 'boom or bust' - type slot, with the game having an uncanny- almost unnatural, even- knack of leaning towards the latter.
I fully expect to see this game in years to come on many a documentary, to do with the negative impact of gambling
I fully expect to see this game in years to come on many a documentary, to do with the negative impact of gambling
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Someone in the UK must report them to ASA for false advertising their 'Unlimited Multiplier' - We have enough data to prove that is NOT the case. Further to this, I would also report them to the UKGC for their RTP being consistently below the advertised one. This slot is an absolute JOKE - BIG Rip off IMPO.
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So the independant testing is mandatory by the UKGC for all games available to UK consumers - surely the results of such should be publicly available. There would be no need to expose the “valuable” maths of the game- as Trance Monkey says - to see these results. Why arn’t they available to us - they should be transparant in this day and age.
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I do believe tis slot will be the poster child for getting people to quit.....albeit without a penny to their name and their inside pockets turned out. It's the very definition of a 'boom or bust' - type slot, with the game having an uncanny- almost unnatural, even- knack of leaning towards the latter.
I fully expect to see this game in years to come on many a documentary, to do with the negative impact of gambling
Yeah - But the few small hits of 100x and 200x makes the players happy. Behind the scenes this slot is running riot and raping the vast majority of players with promises of unlimited multipliers and 117 000 megaways.
The stark reality is that it is probably 5 x more difficult to score a hit bigger than 1000x than any other slot that offers it. BTG in all their marketing glory, received exactly what they wanted - the CM community rushing to nominate it as Slot of the Year.
I assure you and I concur that there will be many many losing sessions for players. The overall loss on this slot will trump any other game you play. Sure, take your 200x hits here and there and be happy temporarily, as we see, the longer the simulations ran, the bigger the losses.
Its almost like these guys programmed the slot this way to prevent players from playing and increasing their bets gradually. I mean a Slot like DOA doesn't give you the option of 0.2, then 0.4, 0.6, 0.8, 1.00 then double every bet size from there on. Netent offers every bet size because they are confident and offer a FAIR GAME.
This strategy is typical of shady game providers and they do this primarily so that the average player cannot afford the increase in bet hence if he DOES get lucky, he probably will see a minor profit.
Look at RTG as a PRIME example - BTG are doing just that - If they were honest and their slots were really mathematical masterpieces like they claim it to be, why are there no variations in the bet size? Why are they AFRAID to add coin sizes like 1.5, 2.5, 3, 3.5 and others in between the 5, 10 and 20 coin sizes.
The BTG rep reads this thread everyday - it would be great if he joined the conversation - but like i said, I wont bank on it - he will merely pop up to advertise or do something that isnt even worth the time and effort of the community - like add a picture to the 'Shocking Discovery' thread. Maybe that's more to detract from the harsh reality actually being discovered in here _ I don't know - Maybe he can answer.
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How easy (not how illegal) would it be to manually interevene on a server’s prng output ahead of an investigation? I am guessing it would be far from impossible.
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well i take it all back after reading the stats on this, like casinos always point out to me its a small sample not enough to go on , you've been very unlucky & so on & so forth, if you think BTG is bad then everyone needs to have a very hard luck at all the other slots you play.
Please dont tell me you cant find these days where it does not matter which type provider game you play you cannot hit any wins or features period. the lashing of 1000s of spins no feature , base game dead flat how can you play 20 different slots & get the same results.
like i have said before & i also think harry was on the same wave length as me , something is clearly up with online games & i dont think its the casino but the providers meaning servers . im getting to the point along with other members now that something is amiss, almost like something is balancing the plays out , foil hat i have three already another one isnt going to change my thoughts on something being fishy , you can tell to im blue in the face but , i still want to know what is sent over to servers , everyone side steps this, yes ive been told bits but not the full story , i firmly believe that those servers track you as a player if there is only one main server which were told then this answers my question.
BTG is no doubt no different from all the other providers , also same as buy a feature , some casino can take you straight into a bonus round , this would require some form of access from the start. they created this bull from not being upfront & now players are now taking things to find the truths behind what as players were told & it is not looking good for providers , you may ask why simple its to with money nothing more nothing less , same as you play for entertainment , im unsure about anyone that gambles plays for fun , you play to win or you just would not gamble , call it a dewind but you still want winnings at the end of the day.
Please dont tell me you cant find these days where it does not matter which type provider game you play you cannot hit any wins or features period. the lashing of 1000s of spins no feature , base game dead flat how can you play 20 different slots & get the same results.
like i have said before & i also think harry was on the same wave length as me , something is clearly up with online games & i dont think its the casino but the providers meaning servers . im getting to the point along with other members now that something is amiss, almost like something is balancing the plays out , foil hat i have three already another one isnt going to change my thoughts on something being fishy , you can tell to im blue in the face but , i still want to know what is sent over to servers , everyone side steps this, yes ive been told bits but not the full story , i firmly believe that those servers track you as a player if there is only one main server which were told then this answers my question.
BTG is no doubt no different from all the other providers , also same as buy a feature , some casino can take you straight into a bonus round , this would require some form of access from the start. they created this bull from not being upfront & now players are now taking things to find the truths behind what as players were told & it is not looking good for providers , you may ask why simple its to with money nothing more nothing less , same as you play for entertainment , im unsure about anyone that gambles plays for fun , you play to win or you just would not gamble , call it a dewind but you still want winnings at the end of the day.
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It wouldn't be impossible, but i would assume that there are signatures that protect the integrity or some sort of measure in place to prevent tampering BEFORE or AFTER the test. I'm sure Trancemonkey would be able to clarify.
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Agreed re exactly what information is sent over the servers.
Trancemonkey I work in technical system integration myself (financial sector) so am used to putting the process in laymans terms. Would be super beneficial if you could do the same here and also confirm if all providers use the same process as well as if any player information is stored on the game provider side, and what this is used for, and if it can be manipulated.
Trancemonkey I work in technical system integration myself (financial sector) so am used to putting the process in laymans terms. Would be super beneficial if you could do the same here and also confirm if all providers use the same process as well as if any player information is stored on the game provider side, and what this is used for, and if it can be manipulated.
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Players information has to be kept for legal reasons( i think ), the servers must be able to track your play at all times , point being a casino can request all the logs from provider , this shows that every single bet placed somewhere is accounted for so what is truly sent over not what we are told i suspect. i doubt trance could ever give a honest answer to this due there contracts.
I believe this too. This would explain the patterns we've all seen over the years, particularly how everything goes dead after a decent win. It would also explain why the industry are so paranoid about IP addresses and multiple accounts (apart from bonus abuse) It would also explain why generally your luck is so much better at first when you open an account at a new casino.
I'm also sure the patterns of the games change, everyone's noticed it when games are migrated to the HTML platforms.
As for Bonanza, to be fair I haven't been that unlucky on it, but I'm certainly not in profit either.
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I have often wondered if maybe the RTP is set for you as soon as you hit the server, which would kind of explain how you can't win on anything, it doesn't matter what game or what provider.
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I don’t understand the contractual issue - this is not valuable from a business perspective nor is intellectual property an issue, this is about the process.
The way the general public in general are sceptic about the honesty of online gamling as a whole, it would make sense for the industry to be as transparant as possible with the areas it can be.
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im unsure & maybe i have gone of track like always but looking at those stats did upset me to be fair thats shocking to be honest.
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I asked BTG for my stats and they told me they dont collect them and cannot help me.
I also tried clicking on all their licenses at the bottom of their website and tried to find the company that audits their slots (itechlabs, ecogra?) and look into it and all I get is a 404 error. Im not saying they arent licensed, they clearly are or casinos wouldnt accept them but it would have been nice to do some reading about some things.
The best thing that someone is doing is finally testing this piece if crap. I was going to do it but I did it with vikings go berserk and people didnt really care. I would just get the same old "sample size too small" like always. I even spoke with yggdrasil personally and they seemed very interested in my findings. But since VGB wasnt a big hit, people didnt care and I said forget this waste of time. This is a good slot for someone to test because its incredibly popular and peple have played it so much they feel like they are being screwed.
But anyways if the final results arent up to par then people need to collectively complain. It will go alot further than one person who the UKGC will just think is a disgruntled losing player. And attacking it head on with stats is the only way to go about it.
In the end, i feel like the UKGC will say sample size is too small rtp etc will only reach its true rtp after trillions of spins.
As for the false advertising. Again, its an open door and slot providers have been able to get away it forever
I also tried clicking on all their licenses at the bottom of their website and tried to find the company that audits their slots (itechlabs, ecogra?) and look into it and all I get is a 404 error. Im not saying they arent licensed, they clearly are or casinos wouldnt accept them but it would have been nice to do some reading about some things.
The best thing that someone is doing is finally testing this piece if crap. I was going to do it but I did it with vikings go berserk and people didnt really care. I would just get the same old "sample size too small" like always. I even spoke with yggdrasil personally and they seemed very interested in my findings. But since VGB wasnt a big hit, people didnt care and I said forget this waste of time. This is a good slot for someone to test because its incredibly popular and peple have played it so much they feel like they are being screwed.
But anyways if the final results arent up to par then people need to collectively complain. It will go alot further than one person who the UKGC will just think is a disgruntled losing player. And attacking it head on with stats is the only way to go about it.
In the end, i feel like the UKGC will say sample size is too small rtp etc will only reach its true rtp after trillions of spins.
As for the false advertising. Again, its an open door and slot providers have been able to get away it forever
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i think your find it has to do with being a third party , which a player is server-casino- player hence the reason BTG or any other provider cannot give a player directly the results from the server of overall play , but a casino for legal reasons must show players if required or asked too again this would be legal ( im pretty sure on this ) or fraud players & other stuff would go under the carpet including theft, someone must be able to get the logs, im just guessing but this would make logic sense.
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Isn't RTP reporting undertaken as a matter of course in the UK as part of the regulations for providers? I seem to recall the actual specifics of how this was achieved was left to h
I don't believe even the parameters of the testing are available yet along the results. It could be over a billion spins, 100 billion spins who knows. I've always wondered why the UKGC don't mandate that a slot machine must hit RTP over a specified number of spins. I looked at the reel sets Toror uploaded for bonanza and assuming they are the reels and each selection is random then RTP must be determined over 100s of billions of spins and who can be sure a slot would ever get near that number of spins in the real world?
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Its misleading advertising certainly. If I offered and charged for a course on the basis of making someone a millionnaire in a week, although this may be remotely factual, unless I could provide a meaningful track record then I would find myself in hot water with the ASA/trading standards.
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Exactly - why is this part of the industry such a closed shop? Why is there no transparancy to fairness of games (which is what we are talking about here, not disgruntled losing players). Every other big money industry has had a legally transparant framework for good reason, mainly coming about because of abuse when it was a closed shop. The gambling industry should be the same.
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Maybe the question should be... How easy would it be to divert traffic from the main (legit) server to a secondary server(s) with a 'modified' version of the game?
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It also doesn't give you much confidence in all this testing and licensing.
when you see that eCogra, the company who audits Microgaming, was founded by Roger Raatgever, who is the CEO of Microgaming
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Sod the GOLD, I've had so many LOG's I could build a cabin!
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But its never been addressed by the gaming commissions. Its really not much difference than at the top of microgaming slots that "you can win 900,000". Yeah if you are max betting it you can and still the chances are 1 in a trillion. I remember when I first played online and had very little knowledge, I thought wow I can win that on $1 spin. Cool. It wasnt til later that I learned no I cannot unless I am betting $300 a spin.
Putting 'unlimited' multiplier is misleading. They should remove that since it isnt unlimited and I think the highest has been in the low 30's and there has to be billions of spins on this thing. It would be fine they dont have anything set in to reach a max but promoting it to people like the sky is the limit...no. I think if the commissions got enough complaints they would actually address this and people have a case with it.
What surprised me most is how many members here have done alot of spins. And I mean alot. For a long time my sample size was well above everyones but now it isnt and we are seeing more members posting 200k spins 300k 400k spins and no wins.
Again if this person does 1 million spins and it shows garbage. The UKGC will say sorry its not enough spins. If he did 1 billion then they would look into it. Its a grey zone the whole rtp thing. They say 97% but thats not accurate, its more of a ballpark.
If BTG was random. People would show an rtp of over 100% after a few hundred thousand spins. Because in order for it to achieve its actual rtp takes billions supposedly and there will be fluctuations. Both positive and well below the negative. Meaning you will see stats where people rtp is 91% and you see an rtp of 104%.
Find me one persons whose rtp is over 100%. You cant.
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On the positive side, with everyone posting differant stats, one thing this whole exercise has done is restored my faith in other providers, reaching their rtp (or thereabouts) in a sensible 100,000 spins. I still don’t think you can get such low rtp without some sort of compensation. To be out by 0.1% yes, but 10%? I don’t think so...
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The biggest thing is this has become sort of a personal competition of everyone. Someone wants to be the first on the forums to hit that 5000x. Hence the number of massive spins being done and the pouring of concerned and angry members after so many huge sample sizes and nothing.
Can anyone imagine how many spins together members and lurkers have done all together? It would be pretty cool to see everyone post their spins and highest win. Probably 60 million spins combined?
Can anyone imagine how many spins together members and lurkers have done all together? It would be pretty cool to see everyone post their spins and highest win. Probably 60 million spins combined?
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The truly remarkable thing in all of this is how letsgiveitaspin, one of - if not the -highest profile streamer in Europe managed to get the infamous 14,000 hit, despite no-one being able to hit even 50% of that since.
What an amazing coincidence.
Infact, going by the collective figures here, odds are well over a million to one. Their marketing team must have been overjoyed with their “luck” such a high profile customer hit it and could share it with everybody.
What an amazing coincidence.
Infact, going by the collective figures here, odds are well over a million to one. Their marketing team must have been overjoyed with their “luck” such a high profile customer hit it and could share it with everybody.
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I love the array of ready-made excuses by all companies in regards to slots, but BTG's cloak & dagger business practices should win an award all by themselves.
"You're just unlucky" - So I 'm unlucky 20 sessions in a row
"It's a volatile game" - You've made a game that's unwinnable. By a lot.
"You need millions of spins to get a true representation of RTP" - So I need several lifetimes do I, to just hit the purported 96%. I thought the whole idea of slots is peaks and troughs, not just troughs.
"Keep playing and your luck will inevitably turn" - You'd love that wouldn't you. Maybe they can exhume my body when my bot finally hits that 20x multiplier full screen of red gems in the year 2064
"You're just unlucky" - So I 'm unlucky 20 sessions in a row
"It's a volatile game" - You've made a game that's unwinnable. By a lot.
"You need millions of spins to get a true representation of RTP" - So I need several lifetimes do I, to just hit the purported 96%. I thought the whole idea of slots is peaks and troughs, not just troughs.
"Keep playing and your luck will inevitably turn" - You'd love that wouldn't you. Maybe they can exhume my body when my bot finally hits that 20x multiplier full screen of red gems in the year 2064
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It wasnt him but one of his supposed viewers that nobody ever heard of that just wandered into his chat to show his 14,000x hit. Whats even more ridiculous is that BTG and Leovegas are partnered. And That streamer is sponsored by leovegas and BTG got caught posting fake screenshots already.
Amazing coincidence? Bullshit.
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Probably is - But i cannot confirm
That's the problem - Providers always claim that the sample size is too small. I think that a 'Feel' for the game can already be established from as little as 100k worth of spins. As mentioned by others, there shouldn't be a HUGE deviation in the RTP over that sample size unless the slot is dishing out REGULAR big hits.
With Bonanza I have no words - that sample might be small but its a friggin' 13000x bet loss nonetheless and we have only seen 1 of its kind since its been launched - whether in real or play money.
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Was only able to get my last stats since I cancelled my upgraded stats. But this is what my BTG stats look like over 350,000 spins. I know it doesnt show it but my stats were 363,417 spins 88.9% rtp average bonus 1/866
From my (limited) time spent investigating this, the following happens when you launch a session of your favourite game: the casino sends a request to start a new session for a given hashed value. This value can be whatever, but I guess they hash your email address/account number + timestamp and maybe some random seed. The game provider only sees this hashed value, and uses this when processing all gameplay. No player information is exposed to the provider. This is the reason the game provider can't give you your logs, even if they wanted to. They simply can't map from their hashed values to player IDs at a given casino.
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It is actually very difficult to determine the confidence level of a slot hitting a certain RTP after a certain number of spins without having a complete understanding of the mechanics of the games. On a very low tech game you will still be +/- 6% after 100,000 spins and +/- 2% either side of the RTP after a million spins. When you scale that up to bonaza level mechanics the numbers must surely become mind boggling.
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So where is the information stored by MGS games for their 'PlayCheck' tool? I can view any individual spin, from any previous session.
Also, the majority of their newer games store my all time highest wins, which are available to view from inside the game itself - 'Jurasic Park' for example
MGS maybe don't know exactly who I am. But I'm not just a random player, each time I play at a specific casino. They have a complete history of my ID's game play
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I can’t really speak for Microgaming as I’ve primarily looked at NextGen’s GDM platform. They probably store those stats linked to your hashed player id? Or do these persist between different casino visits?
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Had a go yesterday, GOLD within 5 spins of start !
12 DEAD SPINS!!!!
After 100,000's of spins first time i've ever had the feature with 12 dead spins no win!
Feel I should get an achievement for it
12 DEAD SPINS!!!!
After 100,000's of spins first time i've ever had the feature with 12 dead spins no win!
Feel I should get an achievement for it
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They persist between different visits to the same casino. But not between different casinos.
The point I was making was that they know my complete history of each of their games, within each casino.
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Thats one strange video to watch!
What happens at 2:07? all of a sudden everything turns to A's and it misses a multiplier.
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Regarding the unlimited multipliers,it could actually be true as players presume there is a limit on free spins
but in a feature the other day I got a 5 spin retrigger and a couple of spins later a 10 spin retrigger, didnt know
this was possible.It could be possible to get multiple retriggers indefinately, making the the unlimited multiplier
statement true.Obviously it will never happen as the feature win would never stop increasing, but providing
the tiny chance of continuous retriggers exists, the multiplier could increase forever.
but in a feature the other day I got a 5 spin retrigger and a couple of spins later a 10 spin retrigger, didnt know
this was possible.It could be possible to get multiple retriggers indefinately, making the the unlimited multiplier
statement true.Obviously it will never happen as the feature win would never stop increasing, but providing
the tiny chance of continuous retriggers exists, the multiplier could increase forever.
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Yep. Might have replayed the spins in the wrong order, or the xml data got mangled in the process of converting back and forth. Working on a fix
You’re faking these videos right? It’s showing wins when there are no wins, the win amounts don’t make sense and you even say to ignore the stake...
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Remember kids... just because something is theoretically possible doesn’t mean it’s ever going to happen.
Fake in the sense that the client is talking to a server I'm controlling, yes. The spin data came from GDM and is real. Trying to work out why it looks so quirky though.
Update: Fixed the replay. Hit another >1000X shortly after. Won't bore you with more until I've hit >3000X.
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That 1500x video above has loads of errors.
Spin 2 it misses the 3 blue gem win.
Spin 3 it leaves some kings and wild on the board after a king win. Also leaves queens on the board on the next drop down win with a wild.
Spin 7?
Spin 9 leaves a 9 and a 10 win on drop down.
Spin 12 misses the 9 win and then has another extra spin?
In the 684X video. How did all the diamonds turn into Queens?
Spin 2 it misses the 3 blue gem win.
Spin 3 it leaves some kings and wild on the board after a king win. Also leaves queens on the board on the next drop down win with a wild.
Spin 7?
Spin 9 leaves a 9 and a 10 win on drop down.
Spin 12 misses the 9 win and then has another extra spin?
In the 684X video. How did all the diamonds turn into Queens?
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Thanks lockinlove for pointing out our broken link to the AGCC - they updated their site without informing us - the link is now correct.
As we have explained in the past, we build our games and licence our games via our partners, namely Scientific Games/NYX/Openbet, Microgaming and Leander. Once the games have been through the testing and compliance process and released to our customers, we have no access to them, equally we have no access to any individual player data.
A recent report pulled from slot tracker published Bonanza RTP above 100%. As you know the theoretical is 96% but as Bonanza is one of the most volatile slots on the market atm and its RTP will fluctuate greatly; you'll see no features for many spins or you'll get lucky and have two back to back, that is the game and we have no plans to change it.
If you have any specific questions, once again, we'll be happy to answer them.
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As we have explained in the past, we build our games and licence our games via our partners, namely Scientific Games/NYX/Openbet, Microgaming and Leander. Once the games have been through the testing and compliance process and released to our customers, we have no access to them, equally we have no access to any individual player data.
A recent report pulled from slot tracker published Bonanza RTP above 100%. As you know the theoretical is 96% but as Bonanza is one of the most volatile slots on the market atm and its RTP will fluctuate greatly; you'll see no features for many spins or you'll get lucky and have two back to back, that is the game and we have no plans to change it.
If you have any specific questions, once again, we'll be happy to answer them.
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