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New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming
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That’s interesting as they advertise on national uk tv boasting high RTP??????
Must be forgetting just how long ago their ads were running?
'Location alert
It appears you are trying to access Novibet from an unauthorised location.'
Message I got when I tried to open the website without a VPN on. 100% not UK friendly anymore.
'Location alert
It appears you are trying to access Novibet from an unauthorised location.'
Message I got when I tried to open the website without a VPN on. 100% not UK friendly anymore.
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It's right, I was an affiliate for them and was notified back then they were leaving UK so I dropped them as no longer had UKGC licence. I played there for a while too, very good casino as I remember.
I’ve had no problems - mind you I keep MFA enabled on everythingreally?
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Mmmm maybe I’m getting name confused then there is 100% a casino running ads on current uk tv boasting about its top RTP etc. They actually show 96% in the add, was sure it was them as I was gonna check them out or mention here.
It’s something similar then!! I’ll have to wait and see again who they are!!
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Ooooh I’ve just figured it out. Whoops!!!
Must be that dodgy Statalite receiver I bought off Del Boy and Rodders!!!
Must be that dodgy Statalite receiver I bought off Del Boy and Rodders!!!
Blame the funky firestick, naughty boy
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No idea what ur on about mate.
Does the bonus on this slot ever actually pay?
That’s another 3 bonus
0.60p spins
Bonus 1 - £2.80
Bonus 2 - £4
Bonus 3 - £4.80
Like does BTG actually pay out at all?
Just getting dubious as fuck now to the point getting a bonus in this slot is actually more depressing than the base game.
Have yet to get a fkn decent payout from a bonus
*snip* lol
*avoid profanity please.
That’s another 3 bonus
0.60p spins
Bonus 1 - £2.80
Bonus 2 - £4
Bonus 3 - £4.80
Like does BTG actually pay out at all?
Just getting dubious as fuck now to the point getting a bonus in this slot is actually more depressing than the base game.
Have yet to get a fkn decent payout from a bonus
*snip* lol
*avoid profanity please.
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Most of the time the bonus is woeful.
The only reason the ‘average’ is around the 80 odd x mark is because of what it can ‘potentially’ do. If you avoid or run bad hitting some of the larger bonuses then the more ‘average’ feature is around 30-40x mark.
And trust me when I tell you this those bigger bonuses can be a long way off for a long fucking time!!
The only reason the ‘average’ is around the 80 odd x mark is because of what it can ‘potentially’ do. If you avoid or run bad hitting some of the larger bonuses then the more ‘average’ feature is around 30-40x mark.
And trust me when I tell you this those bigger bonuses can be a long way off for a long fucking time!!
Oh I don’t doubt it honestly, starting to see the trend myself lol but the churn of the base game still being a good value and element of surprise but it’s just sad that the base game is the bread and butter and the bonus is absolutely horrifically undependable at best, kinda defeats the term “bonus” lol
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Had a +5 and then 2 retriggers on slots temple the other day and still couldn’t break the 200x mark!! So annoying.
Was on 77X and a X10 multiplier after just 5 spins as well. Needless to say some harsh words were said during the rest of the bonus.
Was on 77X and a X10 multiplier after just 5 spins as well. Needless to say some harsh words were said during the rest of the bonus.
I should start by saying I've not had a good bonanza bonus for a while.
I was doing 60p but the game was giving so many teases which I know means nothing but I still decided to bump it back to my regular £1 for a bit. Glad I did. First few spins were actually pretty crap, I thought it was another dead one but it actually started building right at the end including a rare last spin hit.
I was doing 60p but the game was giving so many teases which I know means nothing but I still decided to bump it back to my regular £1 for a bit. Glad I did. First few spins were actually pretty crap, I thought it was another dead one but it actually started building right at the end including a rare last spin hit.
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The game is a like a grenade with the pin out or a lit stick of dynamite. No wonder the wild symbol is
.Yeah and it came fast which is not normally how it seems to go for me. I was only down £15 at the time and maybe 50-75 spins in?
Then it's like I've just got the hit do I leave already or do I give it some more spins anyway? Just because there's been a bonus doesn't mean another on can't come 50 spins later but it could be 500 spins too. So I said to myself £350 or £300 withdraw. Got to £348 but never £350. Ended up at £300.98 and decided to do 1 more spin, should have gone down to 80p. Ended up down to nearly £250 before 2 near back to back 25x base games got me back to £300 at which point I quickly x'ed out the game and withdrew lol.
Then it's like I've just got the hit do I leave already or do I give it some more spins anyway? Just because there's been a bonus doesn't mean another on can't come 50 spins later but it could be 500 spins too. So I said to myself £350 or £300 withdraw. Got to £348 but never £350. Ended up at £300.98 and decided to do 1 more spin, should have gone down to 80p. Ended up down to nearly £250 before 2 near back to back 25x base games got me back to £300 at which point I quickly x'ed out the game and withdrew lol.
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Has there ever been a 0.00 bonus on bonanza?
I've seen it before, unfortunately.
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I had it once in 9 years, someone did it recently a few pages back. This however beats my second-worst at 0.3x, mine was 0.45x.
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I felt like punching Mr Paddy Power shouting at him "When the fun stops ask me to stop"
So to 0.00 you need a natural GOLD and 12 dead spins. The odds on that have to be so disgustingly low. Why even script such a shit outcome. Just make it another dead spin and save people the heartache.
Though I'd say the same about any bonus under like 20x in any game, just make it a base game hit instead and make it so a bonus always feels meaningful.
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Well that's the point it's not scripted, uncontrolled free spins in a bonus round always have the potential to return zero if the reel strips allow for zero paying spins. It might be statistically very unlikely, but it's still possible.
I posted this screeny over in my review thread for a new slot at 3Dice called Cleopatra's Conquest, that managed 75 consecutive zero paying spins for one player.
New Slot Announcement Thread 'New(ish) 3Dice Slot - 'CLEOPATRA'S CONQUEST', chasing the scatters....'
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Well that's the point it's not scripted, uncontrolled free spins in a bonus round always have the potential to return zero if the reel strips allow for zero paying spins. It might be statistically very unlikely, but it's still possible.
I posted this screeny over in my review thread for a new slot at 3Dice called Cleopatra's Conquest, that managed 75 consecutive zero paying spins for one player.
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So what you're also saying is it does have an unlimited potential free spins round, if the random gods line up it could go on for infinity?
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Honestly, uncontrolled free spins! The potential of an unlimited multiplier……Unlimited, but rarely gets past x 20. I tend to call that, restricted, but each to their own.
I cannot believe that fully grown adults fall for this shite, it’s bewildering, to say the least.
I think it’s because they want to believe it. It’s some form of, keeping the dream alive.
Remember the jammin’ jars scandal, where two players hit the same bonus round? My point is, they then admitted the bonus rounds are pre-scripted…….Well, I never.
Of course they’re pre-scripted, but, they didn’t advertise the fact, when the game was launched, did they? Oh no, they hid behind their masquerade thinking the truth would never be revealed.
Here’s another thing to consider. If Bonanza is as complex as is made out….Then how is it, that, Blueprint (I think it was), managed to copy the game, so easily and quickly?
There was also a post made somewhere, by a player who had hit, almost identical bonuses, or similar, on Diamond Mine. I can’t quite remember the detail of that post, unfortunately.
There must also be something in the programme that decides the number of ways to be displayed for each spin. Now, when I used to play, I could go all day sometimes, without seeing the 117. On other occasions, I’ve seen it 3 times in 4 spins.
People will state, that’s exactly what random variance is. My point is, it’s not random variance at all. It’s a quirky little gimmick that’s programmed in, to get the players attention.
Yet another thing. If any game was truly random, it would be possible, not likely, but possible, to go days, even weeks, on some games, without seeing a bonus. Never happens though, does it?
They’re “super compensated” folks, it’s as simple as that.
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Whats the hit rate in Bonanza? Maybe 1 in 3 or 1 in 4? Why would the expectation be that it would regularly go to x 20 when its not going to hit on each spin?
If the hit rate is 1 in 3 then you are most likely going to see the multiplier going to x 6 or x 7 which is what is seen on a regular basis.
I still play it most days, 3 bonuses yesterday, x 45 x 20 and a particularly nasty x 101 on a 5 scatter trigger with a 3 cart trigger on the first spin. Bonanza has always paid like that for me, no change for the worse over the years and I do get the occasional big bonus that keeps me coming back for more.
But that just sums up any slot when the house always has a 4% edge....
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If it had always played like that for me, I’d have packed it in sooner. 
I will say this. In my opinion, it’s is, or was at the time, the best slot ever made.
One of the….from a player point of view, fairest slots, ever.
Has it been changed since release…..Absolutely, yes, 100%.
Ask yourselves another question….Why all the different platforms? If the older platforms were no longer able to support the game or something, then that version would be removed, but it isn’t, some sites are still running older versions.
If the updates don’t affect outcomes or, let’s call it gimping, then why isn’t there a page in the help file, which explains what it was for?
I will say this. In my opinion, it’s is, or was at the time, the best slot ever made.
One of the….from a player point of view, fairest slots, ever.
Has it been changed since release…..Absolutely, yes, 100%.
Ask yourselves another question….Why all the different platforms? If the older platforms were no longer able to support the game or something, then that version would be removed, but it isn’t, some sites are still running older versions.
If the updates don’t affect outcomes or, let’s call it gimping, then why isn’t there a page in the help file, which explains what it was for?
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Well, it uses different reel sets for the bonus for a start…..So, whilst the base game might be 1 in 3, as far as I am aware, it doesn’t mention the bonus round hit rate, anywhere.
Nobody expects it to reach x20 every time, but it certainly used to go over that mark more often in its early days. It wasn’t that uncommon to see a multiplier over x30.
Never saw one over x40 though. Strange that, isn’t it? All those supposed ways to win, endless winning permutations and combinations, 37 spin bonuses and yet the multiplier never goes past x40 and the wins rarely exceed x1,000.
I’ll tell you what BTG created……The perfect illusion, that’s what.
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We already know Bonanza uses dynamic reel strips, there'll be a point in the round where it switches out to sets that make decent wins so vanishingly unlikely (or impossible, maybe there just isn't a diamond on reel 2 for that set, I don't know) on consecutive spins that the round basically 'has' to end.
3Dice are happy to give Arctic Adventure a top free spins round of 100 free spins at 10x pay, completely uncontrolled, so if the 'random gods' line up someone could hit five wilds on all 100 spins at a 10x pay, 3Dice would be bankrupt!
Arctic Adventure has been out for over ten years now, in all of that time I'm aware of one person hitting one line of wilds once in that bonus round. I keep an eye on the 3Dice Zeitgeist page because I'm a stats nerd and that's the best it's ever done.
Events like what you're describing there for Bonanza are so mind-bogglingly rare that they're basically a rounding error in the RTP, and even then can be 'insured' against with reel strip design.
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Ahhh yes this mythical 120% RTP version of Bonanza that snorky used to play where every element of the game used to pay out loads and loads all the time
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Well, there are members on here, that I used to send screenshots of my hits too, everyday. They couldn’t believe it, and this wasn’t just for a couple of weeks, it was months on end.
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This reel strip design thingy sounds awfully like controlling what a 'random' game does, also the player is totally oblivious his chance factor for wins has been deliberately squashed by the programming and instead thinks 'oh that was unlucky!'
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Well that applies to pretty much every game ever made, not just bonanza.
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It’s still random but random like the gates of hell festure on DHV.
Honestly it’s amazing how people can’t get to grips with how things work.
Jammin jars wasnt a scandal ffs it’s how the game works.
Blueprint diamond mine works the same, it’s a number pulled out the hat and then the win displayed for that number. Hence why you can see the same bonus round or base hit on these games. They don’t work the same as bonanza. Why can’t people see that and realise it’s not bent or dodgy it’s just how different games are programmed.
Honestly it’s amazing how people can’t get to grips with how things work.
Jammin jars wasnt a scandal ffs it’s how the game works.
Blueprint diamond mine works the same, it’s a number pulled out the hat and then the win displayed for that number. Hence why you can see the same bonus round or base hit on these games. They don’t work the same as bonanza. Why can’t people see that and realise it’s not bent or dodgy it’s just how different games are programmed.
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As I remember, they said it was random, or were certainly happy for people to believe it was, up until that point.
I still remember the blips that Bonanza has had. No scatters in the 117 at Sky, until it was mentioned. Then, miraculously, they started appearing.
Pinnit’s bonus round where be hadn’t pressed start, got logged out, and upon logging back in, found the result had been added to his balance.
A few people, including myself, landing a 4 scatter trigger, that showed 17 spins at the start and then, the first spin of the bonus round bringing in 3 carts. That just wreaks of programming error.
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Jammin jars IS random but the bonus is entirely pre scripted. It was the wording in the help file about the jars moving randomly which was off. That doesn’t mean it’s bent or anything like that at all.
Jeez the max ways without scatters was run on the open bet platform. Apart from the early days at Gala bingo (maybe others) for some reason that version couldn’t give scatters in the max ways. They didn’t just suddenly start appearing at all. It was because sky went over to the NYX platform which had ALWAYS given scatters in the max mega ways. Only BTG can tell u why there were different versions running on the different platform. Again it doesn’t mean it’s bent it doesn’t mean it’s corrupt it’s just clearly 2 different versions of the game. Just like in the wild for both random and compensated games there are numerous revisions of the same game. I do agree with you tho I think update information should be public. Whether it just be graphical revisions or to help them run better on iOS updates or whatever it might be down to actual game play changes.
Graphical errors can occur of course as can general fuck ups in displaying of results. BTG games were often riddled with bugs on release. I can remember final countdown having a bug and another which I can’t quite recall.
The 4 scatter trigger displaying 17?? A few people had it?? I’ve never had it happen to me so I’ll give you that one. I’ve no idea.
But this insistence you have that it’s all bent and corrupt is ridiculous. The nonsense you spout about fobt roulette is laughable. I presume you made a fortune when you could tell they were in a good mood?? Must be a millionaire.
I made probably over 6 figures on certain roulette games when they reached +EV criteria because guess what??? They WERE random and were a winning proposition long term. Not everyone would be profit but long term they were. Nothing bent about them at all.
And what’s this bonanza getting to 30x multiplier being not uncommon??? In 7 years I’ve had it once??
Bonanza was fucking me over while you were lucking out left tight and centre years ago. I said at the time how the fuck are u running so well for so long?? Ur punishment will be brutal. And saying you could tell when the bonus was coming while I was playing it wrong???!!! Hope you saved them hundreds of k you made if that was the case!!
Just accept that the more you play the more you will lose because of the house edge.
I will still come here and slag the game off when I have my disaster runs which somehow you avoided for 4 years!! But there is a difference between getting the hump and saying everything is bent and corrupt.
If you thought that back in the days of fobts upon release then why have u been gambling all through out? Gambling on bent and corrupt outcomes?? Doesn’t nake sense.
If i didnt know any better d say it already feels like they ripped the fucking RTP out of bonanza now that they know more of us are all attached to it lol.
Dead spin after dead spin after dead spin to the point of actual boredom, ended up fucking it off and going to go play some random ones just for the variety.
I must be at my "RTP wall" with them just now cause its the most boring fucking stuff ive ever had the displeasure of sitting watching play just now.
Shame, got another GOLD - Payout £4.30 on a 0.40p bet.
Really is a shame.
Dead spin after dead spin after dead spin to the point of actual boredom, ended up fucking it off and going to go play some random ones just for the variety.
I must be at my "RTP wall" with them just now cause its the most boring fucking stuff ive ever had the displeasure of sitting watching play just now.
Shame, got another GOLD - Payout £4.30 on a 0.40p bet.
Really is a shame.
Re the GOLD trigger giving the graphic for 17 spins and the carts falling first spin, it happened to me 2 or 3 times but hasnt happened in years.
The other stuff is 100% spot on, if in the past anyone was able to use Bonanza as a cash cow but its no longer a cash cow thats the RTP flattening out and all slots will go close to their TRTP the more you play them.
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As you point out, I ran really well for a very long time.,When I felt that the game had been tampered with, I continued because I was under the impression that it was a bad run and it would change……stupidly.
When it got to the point that I was 100% certain that it was just taking the piss, I gave up playing, not just Bonanza, I stopped gambling.
Why do you continue to play it? You’ve run badly for about 8 years. and not even come close to a decent hit…..not that I’ve seen.
Do you enjoy giving money away, or are you that rich, that you don’t care? You know you’ll never hit a patch where you recoup even 5% of your losses. You also can’t enjoy playing a game that continually has you over, so I don’t get it.
I mean lets face it, same CAN be says with Elk studios jesus christ.....talk about pure scam tactical slots.
All entertainment and absolutely no reward lol, ever had a proper pirots session WITHOUT xbet on?
Shit couldnt hit sand if it fell of a camel.
Better yet - Ever tried there "cathedral 9" - you want to talk about absolute balance drain lmao, its criminal how they get away with it.
All entertainment and absolutely no reward lol, ever had a proper pirots session WITHOUT xbet on?
Shit couldnt hit sand if it fell of a camel.
Better yet - Ever tried there "cathedral 9" - you want to talk about absolute balance drain lmao, its criminal how they get away with it.
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I like to punt that’s why. I’ve gambled since I was tall enough to hit start buttons on fruit machines.
I’m one of the lucky ones in that I’ll never be down from gambling. Online slotting takes it 4% from me and I’m fine with that.
Yes of course I get wound up just like anybody else, but if anything when u look back the bad luck stories are funnier than the good luck ones.
But if I thought for one minute I wasnt getting a fair game from any form of gambling then there is no way I would pursue it for years on end.
I don’t just play bonanza!! I mainly session certain Pragmatics and do bonus hunts for fun because I’ve found they give better value. Bonanza use to be my slot but it’s not anymore.
I session bonanza every now and again but by that I don’t mean give it a 100x deposit. I mean play it for a week solid. Ironically the last month or so I got stuck on it for longer than I wanted to because it was fucking diabolical. My worse run across multiple sites. Which is a shame because when I had returned for a session now and again it had played fairly. But this was god awful. Luckily I clawed some back and then pragmatic bailed me out to an acceptable loss.
I’ll be leaving it alone again now until I fancy some more torture.
you just started experiencing what me and most were getting from the beginning, if that makes u think it’s now bent or gimped or whatever then that’s your opinion and you do what you think is best. Glad it’s made u more happy.
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I've linked this video I made before, but it's still relevant when Jammin' Jars is mentioned
Also the companion video I made far more recently about random games and how you can 'control' them and still have them be 100% random.People often make all this stuff sound far more sinister and nefarious than it really is.
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Quite. But I'm still not sure If I fully understand why a game needs to change its reel strips, and therefore the odds, while you're playing it for that hour or so. I thought the whole point of games reaching rtp over many milions and millions of spins was not to need any 'control' other than 'random' doing its thing alongside the long-term 4-5% edge.
Why can't they combine all the reel strips (that they've designed) into one big one and jumble it all up, apply a rng and let it rip?
