New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[snorky510238]

I have had 1 standard bonus that paid zero.
What I absolutely cannot ignore is that the range of wins between x100 and x500 has changed dramatically.
It changed for the worse when Evolution appeared on the scene. The game doesn’t even pay anywhere near the rtp now. It’s blantant, filthy cheating but they get away with it because nobody is regulating fair play and if they are, they don’t know what they’re doing.
At every Casino I played since April ‘21, my rtp is shocking. Not one is above the stated rtp and I have one that is 86%, two at 89%, the others were between 92-94%. Smallest sample was 24,000 spins.
You only have to look at this thread, to see online slotting is dying in its arse and the only way to maintain profit and existence in this situation?…….You got it, shaft the punter.
A lot of snorky haters on this forum. Perhaps it’s because I go on like a broken record? Why shouldn’t I? The public are being scammed for want of a more appropriate phrase. They’re having their hard earned cash taken from them in an unethical and immoral way and nobody challenges it.
Or, is it because, I am bad for business?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

You’ve quoted urself Snorkmaster??

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

You’ve quoted urself Snorkmaster??

 

[Dinahnana]

I have been playing Bonanza and Extra Chili almost exclusively in the last few years and have not gotten a 1000x win in the previous five years, which is a bit disheartening. I feel that these two slots have been paying lower and lower recently. I understand this is all chance, but I expect some great wins when 80% of my sessions are on these two games. Also, I regularly get a bonus of 10x or less. I like these games, but the returns aren't as good as they used to be.

 

[slotmaster]

Thought the ole snorky got a big win at first,lol.

 

[snorky510238]

You’ve quoted urself Snorkmaster??

Best report myself as well and be done with it.

 

[snorky510238]

I have been playing Bonanza and Extra Chili almost exclusively in the last few years and have not gotten a 1000x win in the previous five years, which is a bit disheartening. I feel that these two slots have been paying lower and lower recently. I understand this is all chance, but I expect some great wins when 80% of my sessions are on these two games. Also, I regularly get a bonus of 10x or less. I like these games, but the returns aren't as good as they used to be.

You are of course, absolutely right. Both games have been tampered with to the nth degree.

The problem is, you’re not allowed to say that on this forum. No, no, it’s frowned upon and what you’ll find, is that people who have played way less spins than yourself are actually more qualified to judge, than you are.

Sounds crazy, I know but that’s how it works apparently.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

You are of course, absolutely right. Both games have been tampered with to the nth degree.

The problem is, you’re not allowed to say that on this forum. No, no, it’s frowned upon and what you’ll find, is that people who have played way less spins than yourself are actually more qualified to judge, than you are.

Sounds crazy, I know but that’s how it works apparently.

Where is that happening though? I haven't posted anything in this thread since April, PMKFRUITPRO makes the odd comment still, but apart from that I can't see any evidence of it.

I had a little flurry of playing in Mar-Apr at my usual low stakes, lost a few hundred quid, didn't like what I was experiencing, haven't deposited since - a simple solution to the problem! No need to accuse the industry of being bent and tampering with games in the process

 

[snorky510238]

Where is that happening though? I haven't posted anything in this thread since April, PMKFRUITPRO makes the odd comment still, but apart from that I can't see any evidence of it.

I had a little flurry of playing in Mar-Apr at my usual low stakes, lost a few hundred quid, didn't like what I was experiencing, haven't deposited since - a simple solution to the problem! No need to accuse the industry of being bent and tampering with games in the process

One of the VS threads. Can’t remember which one. I hardly play at all now, can’t be bothered. Online slotting will be dead and buried within 5 years.

 

[Jono777]

One of the VS threads. Can’t remember which one. I hardly play at all now, can’t be bothered. Online slotting will be even more bent but a lot harder to spot and only the complete addicts will be keeping the industry ticking over in the next 5 years.

Made a very slight adjustment mate.

 

[snorky510238]

Made a very slight adjustment mate.

I don’t think it will be harder to spot mate, tbh. I mean, they are shaving/gimping rtp! When you’ve suddenly got 96% models struggling to hit 85%, you can’t fail to notice.

 

[Jono777]

I don’t think it will be harder to spot mate, tbh. I mean, they are shaving/gimping rtp! When you’ve suddenly got 96% models struggling to hit 85%, you can’t fail to notice.

You, me and most of the gang here, yes indeed. However when I mentioned the addicts and problem gamblers they won't give a shit as long as they're getting their fix and it is with this I feel the majority of casinos prey on and the aforementioned "casual players" get shafted.

 

[snorky510238]

You, me and most of the gang here, yes indeed. However when I mentioned the addicts and problem gamblers they won't give a shit as long as they're getting their fix and it is with this I feel the majority of casinos prey on and the aforementioned "casual players" get shafted.

Yes, you’re right mate! However, there is a ceiling limit and once there are more players self-excluding, than there are signing up, the writing is on the wall.

The lady whom may be considered to have a problem reducing her calorie intake for the day, may not have burst into song but she’s tuning up.

 

[sufferinsilence]

You, me and most of the gang here, yes indeed. However when I mentioned the addicts and problem gamblers they won't give a shit as long as they're getting their fix and it is with this I feel the majority of casinos prey on and the aforementioned "casual players" get shafted.

I think a lot of us posting on here are addicted at some level. Now, the ones that aren't too far gone might see their addiction getting fixed by how the industry is "evolving". Just reading about it should already help.

 

[Jono777]

I think a lot of us posting on here are addicted at some level. Now, the ones that aren't too far gone might see their addiction getting fixed by how the industry is "evolving". Just reading about it should already help.

Would not really argue there mate.

However I do see and state that there are various levels and different types of addiction.

1) Where somebody, somewhere, wherever that may be will do anything and everything to get their fix, selling stuff, skipping bills, eating less, putting up excuses to pay rent / mortgage late etc etc.

2) Where most of on here might fall into, have a set amount that they can afford to lose each month (after all bills paid) where they could spend it on something else, use it towards savings etc but decide most times that it will be used to have a session or some sports bets etc.

 

[snorky510238]

The difference being, that online gambling used to be fun. Playing slots that genuinely pay 96% rtp, with a decent maths model, is going to be fun.

Playing anything less, with awful math’s models or dodgy rtp’s, ain’t going to be viable, long term and definitely, no fun.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Would not really argue there mate.

However I do see and state that there are various levels and different types of addiction.

1) Where somebody, somewhere, wherever that may be will do anything and everything to get their fix, selling stuff, skipping bills, eating less, putting up excuses to pay rent / mortgage late etc etc.

2) Where most of on here might fall into, have a set amount that they can afford to lose each month (after all bills paid) where they could spend it on something else, use it towards savings etc but decide most times that it will be used to have a session or some sports bets etc.

I used to spend way more on a previous hobby, RC cars, than what I do now on gambling. Actually I frequently spent more, buying spare parts or a new car, than I could afford and having to dip into my savings

 

[Schind]

Had a mental couple of hours earlier.
I won £6 something on free spins at Betfred. Invested it in Bonanza and won £80. Withdrew £50 cos I'm a bit strapped right now and I know I would have spent it otherwise.
Had a rest and then went back to Bonanza. Got a 261x at 20p then got a 232x at 60p just 71 spins later. Another six spins and then a 614.75x at 60p came in. My previous record bonus this year was 597x so I was well chuffed.
Only 89 spins needed for the next one which was 119.45x. Moved up to 80p and got a 163.1x after 285 spins. Moved up to £1 then £2 and after 250 spins I finally got into four figures - just 70p short of 1050x so beat my previous record for the year twice in an hour.
I almost never go above £2 spins but I decided to have a little go at £5 and got a 156x after 164 spins. Withdrew a couple of thousand - that's me sorted for a while.

It's been paying me out on bonuses really well the last few days. I've had 27 in the past five days averaging 225 spins apart and with an average win of 171x. I know it won't last - in fact I've gone 1200 spins with nothing now so have stopped for a couple of days.

Very much a one off but great while it lasted. I'd actually stopped playing the game for a while in May as it was routinely awful across all the sites I use for about three weeks.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

So what is Dazzas username and password then!?

 

[dunover]

So what is Dazzas username and password then!?

You beat me to that - I was about to ask if he's hacked the affiliate RTP version I (apparently) use.

Seriously, I haven't had this happen for ages now, but I have had a couple of sessions in the past where bonuses rain in like confetti, my best ever being a 6+ hour session off of a £50 dipper which yielded 15 bonus rounds including IIRC 4 within 100 spins.

So the guy @Schind has had his best win when he's raised to £2 stake, nearly 1050x so that's good timing, if he reverts back to 20/40p stakes say, he's now covered his play probably for the rest of the year.

To have an average of 171x features over 27 bonus rounds is pretty astounding though, I cannot recall having a string of returns like that, my best ever was at Betfred too funnily enough, 5 consecutive features paid over 100x including a 1500x and 700x, never had anything like that since.

Enjoy the cash @Schind and I hope you haven't left it dead for me as since my last big win it's been absolutely vile.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

To have an average of 17.1X would be considered a miracle for some of us Dazza!!

I think we’ve all had the sessions where it features for fun. At least that use to make up for the vile filth it could cast upon you. Altho I appreciate that’s not something you would know about. Let’s be honest any run of bad luck for you is always fully compensated in the end and with extra profit on top!!

Even I couldn’t deny that the feature frenzy sessions are now a thing of the past it seems (bet Snorkmaster will love that comment!!)

I just got absolutely sick of constantly experiencing 300-400X in deposits to see a garbage feature do fuck all. When u hit a bad run feature frequency wise there is no worse slot than bonanza.

 

[Slotter]

Kind of why I left this game when the new blocks of dead spins during the bonus came decimating pretty much all the bonuses.
Still frequently play it in demo for nostalgia and still enjoy dunover's YT sessions on it but I wouldn't play it for real money again.

 

[snorky510238]

New blocks of dead spins in the base, crippled it too.

 

[gonzo fonso]

I still play it but no big wins anymore and if you play it at Mr Green or Unibet well what can I say it will rinse your balance very quick worst sites to play this game

 

[snorky510238]

What I have always noticed but more so in the the past 2 years, is that (and this goes for the vast majority of games I played). Your deposit gets busted in record time, 9 times out of ten or your balance hits a ceiling limit and no matter what you do, it seems set in stone.

Absolutely nothing like random should throw out. In all my time playing Bonanza, I never remember being £200 or so, in the hole and then seeing a miraculous turnaround. Games either seem to pay pretty much from the off or just rob you blind and the bigger the kitchen sink thrown, the quicker it robs you. Bonanza is most definitely programmed to wipe you out, should you chase your losses.

This is exactly how FOBT’s played. I had a friend who was a manager at Corals and he would quite openly show me the figures for the take and payout. It was absolutely obvious that they were either paying or they weren’t. I remember two days in particular. One, the 4 terminals had taken less than £500 and paid out 9k plus. The other, they had taken 10k plus and paid out (or cashed tickets), £210.

Most days were massive winning days for the house, with the odd day here and there, massively favouring the punter. Sure, the house has the edge and will win in the long run but no chance the figures would be so black and white.

It’s simply a massive con. I’ve been banging on about it since day one. Then apart from @Jono777, who was roughly 50/50 at the time, everyone else had me down as a lunatic.

Perhaps, most still do but the question I ask is, what has happened since then to convince a lot of others, that I am right? Are they mad too or did it just take them a little longer to see what’s actually happened?

 

[gonzo fonso]

Regarding FOBT yes I played back in the day again in the beggining I'm sure they paid out more frequently,to get the problem gamblers hooked but then even they got alot more tighter,I will never forget one Saturday afternoon on rainbow riches I put £500 in on 50p and £1 spins to not get nothing let alone a chance at the pots I was given a free cup of tea was like they were giving me gold hahaha.
I still enjoy Bonanza but why I play it I do not know many many better slots online that will probably pay out alot more,I went through a stage playing WWTBAM you have a bigger chance of hitting big in the bonus with max ways but the gamble on spins is brutal at times,don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of BTG slots it's a fantastic provider,yes of course without doubt the games have been tweaked I just cannot get a big gamebase it all this talk of 2000,3000,4000x maybe when it first came out but not now,oh well I'm going to have August off slots,a break is good when it goes into rinse mode

 

[snorky510238]

I witnessed a guy put £2,600 in Rainbow Riches, one Saturday and get nothing more than £35 win.

A friend of mine was hooked on that, Gladiator? Truly awful slot imo. Witnessed him put a grand through it several times. On one occasion his biggest win was £10 and another time, £25. Absolutely disgusting what they got away with. No way that was being monitored by any governing body.

Also used to watch a guy playing the roulette. £100 a spin red or black. There’s no way on this planet his results were random. Felt sorry for him tbh. A really decent lad who got battered every time he played. Blatantly obvious the game was having him over.

I tried a few experiments myself, out of curiosity more than anything. Chose one number with £2 on and the adjacent number either side, just 20p.

No matter which number I chose to put the £2 on, it was incredible how many times it was the last number of the 37 to come out or, it was the only one of the 37 not to come out. Categorically bent and easily noticeable. Same with slots, only the eye candy makes it less obvious to the untrained eye.

 

[gonzo fonso]

Yep I've seen Chinese people with balances of 2k yet to lose the lot in 30mins,I've seen a few stools go through the screens also some lost everything on them,crack cocaine of gambling the FOBT was,these days im sure they are not played as much,i know some horror stories regarding them,had one last flutter last night before a break at betfair on 40p and 60p spins no bonus a ton went very quick

 

[snorky510238]

Yep I've seen Chinese people with balances of 2k yet to lose the lot in 30mins,I've seen a few stools go through the screens also some lost everything on them,crack cocaine of gambling the FOBT was,these days im sure they are not played as much,i know some horror stories regarding them,had one last flutter last night before a break at betfair on 40p and 60p spins no bonus a ton went very quick

Bonanza is an absolute disgrace these days. I would never and I mean never, burn through £200 without some gameplay and probably 5 features (minimum) in the early days.

Then all of a sudden, the game could munch through £300 with nothing more than a x10 hit. Absolute bollox and I hope one day these cheating underhanded Providers, especially BTG get their comeuppance but whilst blind eyes are being turned, that’s not likely.

 

[Schind]

I don't know if they've tinkered with it in the past few weeks or it's just a phase it's going through but I'm getting a lot more runs of 15+ spins with no wins. It's happening all the time now whereas before it was less frequent. I had one win in 37 spins a week or so back and that wasn't a big one.
Having said that, since the start of July I'm getting GOLDs a lot more frequently and the multipliers are higher. Figures wise it makes up for the dead base spins but, from an entertainment point of view - well, I may as well play Red Tiger games. At least on those you expect to only have one winning spin every 15.

 

[gonzo fonso]

I'm sure I read a few months ago that all RTP on slots from July was going to be at least 96% at UKGC casinos,if this was the case then I haven't seen that change in Bonanza if anthing it can be shocking and yes I've noticed the run of 15 dead spins in a row,one other thing with the amount of bonuses I've had on the game maybe over 1000 not once have I had a 4 cart trigger 3 cart yes,just seems strange that

 

[snorky510238]

I’ve had nearer 5,000 bonuses. 4 cart retriggers stand at 4 or 5 from memory. Not that they mean a thing. One of Bonanza’s worst traits, is getting a retrigger, only to hit 5 consecutive dead spins to eradicate it. That was always the case even before it was gimped.

 

[gonzo fonso]

I don't think I will get to 5000 bonuses,back in the day I played jack and the beanstalk religiously then it was book of dead then WWTBAM and now Bonanza,the potential is there but one never ever sees it,26000x max win I've never had over 1200x bonus and base game for me is about 350x I may try DOA2 at 18p spins always a chance of a wild line

 

[snorky510238]

Out of those, my biggest was x4,000+, 2 over x2,000 and probably 15-20 x1,000 plus so yes, anything close to x10,000 could be considered next to impossible. From memory 3 or 4 hits of x1,000+ in the base and that’s about it.

 

[gonzo fonso]

Well you certainly put the slot through it's paces,just think if you had played the same amount of time on Lil Devil or Wild Flower I'm convinced that you would have had a bigger x win overall,both of them got alot more potential than Bonanza I don't play them I'm just not a fan of them

 

[snorky510238]

Yeah, I may have considered it if I’d preempted what the “stroke pullers” (insert own interpretation), were going to do with Bonanza.

The reason for not doing so at the time was Bonanza was a very low risk slot, despite many claiming otherwise. With Lil Devil and Wild Flower, it was quite likely that you’d be well in the hole before recouping a decent wedge, if you were lucky. You could get lucky and hit big early but then theoretically, you’d have to retire from the game.

 

[gonzo fonso]

I agree them 2 slots haven't always got big game base hits they can go on very dry spells,yes the bonus can really go crazy but again you would have to be very lucky,same with Danger High Voltage you need the double or triple x6 to hit big in the base game,Extra Chilli is not a bad slot even if you don't gamble the spins it can pay decent,Opal Fruits and Donuts sometimes it's difficult to land the bonus,I'm sure there was a rumour of a Bonanza 2 but I cannot see it happening

 

[dunover]

I agree them 2 slots haven't always got big game base hits they can go on very dry spells,yes the bonus can really go crazy but again you would have to be very lucky,same with Danger High Voltage you need the double or triple x6 to hit big in the base game,Extra Chilli is not a bad slot even if you don't gamble the spins it can pay decent,Opal Fruits and Donuts sometimes it's difficult to land the bonus,I'm sure there was a rumour of a Bonanza 2 but I cannot see it happening

You're already playing it mate - it looks exactly like Bonanza 1 but has introduced longer spells of dead spins and more 20-40x features.

 

[gonzo fonso]

Hello mate how you doing been watching your videos of late yes it's very very dry atm,actually what you wrote is very funny hahaha it does feel like a new version of Bonanza,i wish i would see logical sense and stop playing the bloody slot

 

[gonzo fonso]

Before I forget I think the slot has changed since evolution got involved with BTG

 

[Kroffe]

You're already playing it mate - it looks exactly like Bonanza 1 but has introduced longer spells of dead spins and more 20-40x features.

At least they gave the bonus a big upgrade to make up for the increase in dead spins.
Neat.

 

[snorky510238]

Before I forget I think the slot has changed since evolution got involved with BTG

Yes, everything goes to shit once Evolution get involved. I believe every post I see relating to them lot being a scamming bunch of bastards.

 

[snorky510238]

Wtf is that all about?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

You’ve never noticed that before??

Some sites been displaying that for ages. I presume but not certain that a rounding up is allowed if it’s by a certain amount??

 

[snorky510238]

You’ve never noticed that before??

Some sites been displaying that for ages. I presume but not certain that a rounding up is allowed if it’s by a certain amount??

If you can’t round up 0.02% then I doubt you can round up at all.

I just wondered why they have suddenly started displaying it as you load the game. Never have in the past.

 

[Schind]

You’ve never noticed that before??

Some sites been displaying that for ages. I presume but not certain that a rounding up is allowed if it’s by a certain amount??

It's not rounding, it's the difference between MGS and NextGen games. MGS are on 95.98%

The BTG website is very specific about RTP's - they even go down to three decimal places on at least one game and Big Bad Bison for example is listed as 96.58-96.59%.
Bonanza they just list as 96.00%. I presume they haven't updated the website with the MGS figures.

 

[snorky510238]

It's not rounding, it's the difference between MGS and NextGen games. MGS are on 95.98%

The BTG website is very specific about RTP's - they even go down to three decimal places on at least one game and Big Bad Bison for example is listed as 96.58-96.59%.
Bonanza they just list as 96.00%. I presume they haven't updated the website with the MGS figures.

So what makes the huge 0.02% difference? Why on earth would there be 2 different versions that only differ by such a minuscule amount?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

How can that be? They just run the same game right??

 

[snorky510238]

Apart from the Videoslots version that runs at 86% and I’ve heard the William Hill one is around about the same.

 

[Schind]

How can that be? They just run the same game right??

I don't know the details. There is some tolerance in the testing regime depending on amount of spins and volatility but a game like Bonanza with a high turnover of spins needs to be spot on RTP.
I can only guess the two 'versions' are tested independently and the latest figure for MGS was slightly lower. It's only £1 in £5000 - certainly not enough to bother me.
The only site I play at that has the MGS version is Bet365. It's smoother than the other version - none of those slight pauses when you know you're not going to get a winning cascade, or maybe that's just Bet365 having faster servers.
Wasn't it said on here that the Sky version doesn't have G,O,L or Ds in max megaways? I was playing it yesterday and I swear a little G popped in. Wish I'd screenshotted it now. You'd assume Sky would have exactly the same version as PaddyPower & Betfair as they're all part of Flutter.
I dunno how it works.