New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[greylady]

I didn't realise VS RTP tool went back to July, even more shocking is the fact I have made 49,903 spins on Bonanza and had only 9 features, that's equal to one feature for every 5500 spins - is it like this for everyone?

 

[goatwack]

I didn't realise VS RTP tool went back to July, even more shocking is the fact I have made 49,903 spins on Bonanza and had only 9 features, that's equal to one feature for every 5500 spins - is it like this for everyone?

You won't get a true representation until you've done at least 50,000 spins, I've been told

 

[SpinUk]

You won't get a true representation until you've done at least 50,000 spins, I've been told

“You must just be incredibly unlucky”. (Works every time).

 

[greylady]

You won't get a true representation until you've done at least 50,000 spins, I've been told

Only another 97 to go

 

[dbl88]

I have always said VS Bonanza is way different to any other site I play at by a HUGE margin and this is not just down to bad luck. I have had 8 bonus rounds in 38000 spins and my friend's hubby moved to a different site (Sky Vegas) due to the same issue.

I always thought something was wrong with bonanza on Videoslots as well.

I had 4 times over 1000x stake on bonanza, 2 times on Videoslots and 2 times on other casinos, though i have played more then 95% off my 600 000-700 000 spins on VS

 

[dbl88]

I always thought something was wrong with bonanza on Videoslots as well.

I had 4 times over 1000x stake on bonanza, 2 times on Videoslots and 2 times on other casinos, though i have played more then 95% off my 600 000-700 000 spins on VS

Might have overexagurated abit

 

[greylady]

I always thought something was wrong with bonanza on Videoslots as well.

I had 4 times over 1000x stake on bonanza, 2 times on Videoslots and 2 times on other casinos, though i have played more then 95% off my 600 000-700 000 spins on VS

I don't care what anyone says but my play is just not normal, yes I have waited thousands of spins before at other sites but then I get 3-4 bonus rounds in quick succession. Yet on VS it just never normalises, it's over 10x what is reckoned to be the bonus average, it's really strange and I know I better buy a tinfoil hat

 

[nikantw]

My tinfoil hat moment .....
After a no bonus weekend at an LV game like Dragon Dance at VS (0% RTP over 100 respins, 15% total RTP over 550 spins/respins), I am starting to think VS has a "no bonus" switch next to the famous "low RTP" one.

 

[greylady]

My tinfoil hat moment .....
After a no bonus weekend at an LV game like Dragon Dance at VS (0% RTP over 100 respins, 15% total RTP over 550 spins/respins), I am starting to think VS has a "no bonus" switch next to the famous "low RTP" one.

Nah - they just watch for your IP in the control room and pull the plug

 

[nutnut]

well today its decided to suck me off but not make me climax.

60p bonus paid £4 and now a £1 bonus x11

 

[BrianGhattas]

The Hillsong Church got more “donation money” from me just now.

 

[snorky510238]

I don't care what anyone says but my play is just not normal, yes I have waited thousands of spins before at other sites but then I get 3-4 bonus rounds in quick succession. Yet on VS it just never normalises, it's over 10x what is reckoned to be the bonus average, it's really strange and I know I better buy a tinfoil hat

Don't go buying a tinfoil hat you can have 1 of mine for free.I have the biggest and best collection you are welcome to take your pick lol.It will never make the slightest bit of difference what the rose tinted glasses brigade say there is not the remotest chance that you are on a level playing field every day. The times I have seen people post things like "I made deposit after deposit" and lost every time then the next day I couldn't do anything wrong.Every game I played was on fire.All the believers love this with the usual sarcastic "almost like it's random" comments. The way I see it is that's more like "almost like it's compensated".I have been repeatedly slated for my posts it doesn't bother me in the slightest.People are entitled to their opinion as I am to mine.Most people who believe are going off the back of what TM and others in the trade say.Lets face it they wouldn't and couldn't tell you any different.The 1 thing that stands out like a sore thumb to me is that a "RNG" can on 1 day fail to churn out any significant win or bonus combination and then on another day produce more than seems possible.People jump on this characteristic as proof that it's truly random.I think you could be forgiven for seeing it the other way and believing it's truly compensated.

 

[dbl88]

well today its decided to suck me off but not make me climax.

60p bonus paid £4 and now a £1 bonus x11

Had 4x 1€ bonuses all paid over 400-500x. really wieird cause i usually win like 20-50euro

 

[slotmaster]

Hit 17 spins and got like 130x, Couple ok base game hits but that was it.

 

[Supababe]

Bonanza loves me.
Bonanza loves me not.
Bonanza loves me.
Bonanza loves me lots.

X407

Ignore the amount in the middle of the shot below. I was premature with my shot lol.

Followed by a FREE trigger on chilli
X156

Tomorrow bonanza probably won’t love me.

 

[Lincolnuk]

I always think VS Bonanza is bad. I had that really good hit early last week but in over half a million spins on it there my Bonus ave is around 5-6000 and around x6-7 each time. But on the other hand £20 last forever playing off the line there

 

[greylady]

Well 50100 spins and still stuck at 9 bonus rounds, it's shockingly bad, almost 5600 spins per bonus round

If the average is meant to be 450 spins per bonus that is 102 bonus rounds VS owes me

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Well 50100 spins and still stuck at 9 bonus rounds, it's shockingly bad, almost 5600 spins per bonus round

If the average is meant to be 450 spins per bonus that is 102 bonus rounds VS owes me

Please stop playing it.. For your own sanity!

I understand, I just went through an abnormally large streak of no feature on another slot but just had to play on until it yielded so that it hadn't "beat" me.

But you are in an unrecoverable position now.

 

[snorky510238]

Well 50100 spins and still stuck at 9 bonus rounds, it's shockingly bad, almost 5600 spins per bonus round

If the average is meant to be 450 spins per bonus that is 102 bonus rounds VS owes me

I always wonder how they can give an average of something that's supposedly random.

 

[nikantw]

I always wonder how they can give an average of something that's supposedly random.

Math.

 

[Lincolnuk]

Mrs got up today and said she had a dream about Bonanza and getting about 50 diamonds.....................

Well it took me about 100 spins but i think i got the 50... She needs to be more specific next time about them been on one screen or not

 

[nutnut]

who has stolen bonus round, last 24hr no matter where i play or stake no bonus and not even a sniff...........

 

[goatwack]

who has stolen bonus round, last 24hr no matter where i play or stake no bonus and not even a sniff...........

Bonus? Oh you mean the paid-for lights & sounds show?

I believe you need to pump more dosh into it first. Those quotas don't fill themselves you know

 

[nutnut]

Bonus? Oh you mean the paid-for lights & sounds show?

I believe you need to pump more dosh into it first. Those quotas don't fill themselves you know

its all good £100 lost and triggered a £2 bonus win off 40p.............

 

[Lincolnuk]

Played okay till around 4 this afternoon then no Bonus and poor line play since, tried 4 places and all the same

 

[snorky510238]

Math.

If something is random you can't use maths because there are no definite points to work with or from

 

[goatwack]

If something is random you can't use maths because there are no definite points to work with or from

That's the thing isn't it, within a closed parameter of x amount of spins you could work out a result that 'It paid 96 times out of 100' for example.

The distrust and scepticism is from being told 'the maths will take care of it over millions of spins' especially on games that promise the world, ie Bonanza. No one's accountable because it's all in the maths and it will come good in the end.

Whilst watching another session go up in flames and getting 40% RTP. It's all hypothetical nonsense and hype

 

[nikantw]

If something is random you can't use maths because there are no definite points to work with or from

There are plenty of things to work with. It's called statistics.

 

[Reelsoffun]

If something is random you can't use maths because there are no definite points to work with or from

Just an example of a basic 5 reel slot with a free spins scatter trigger.

38 symbols per reel with 1 scatter per reel

79,235,168 total combin

3 scatter total = 330750
4 scatter total = 14175
5 scatter total = 243

Ave feature hit 229 spins is the math, over time thats what you would expect a "fair" RNG to achieve, however shorter sessions would feel like 239 average due to the lower chance of a 4 or 5 scatter trigger.

 

[snorky510238]

Just an example of a basic 5 reel slot with a free spins scatter trigger.

38 symbols per reel with 1 scatter per reel

79,235,168 total combin

3 scatter total = 330750
4 scatter total = 14175
5 scatter total = 243

Ave feature hit 229 spins is the math, over time thats what you would expect a "fair" RNG to achieve, however shorter sessions would feel like 239 average due to the lower chance of a 4 or 5 scatter trigger.

Yes that works on a slot with fixed reels the thing with games like bonanza is the reels change every spin(there as far as I know are no fixed amount of scatters). Such as any letters can appear on any reel but never more than 1 appear at any 1 time.You never see 2 of the same letter in view.I have looked for a reel layout of bonanza but I can't find 1 perhaps you can help?

 

[Gambulaah]

Did roughly 9300 spins once and got a 36x bonus.. I almost broke my screen, been a few thousand spins now since last I had it. Highly doubt the 450 average, way too many people are doing thousands and thousands of spins before getting it. If it's legit then this kind of variance is ridiculously unlikely to be this widespread and just collective horrible run

 

[Reelsoffun]

Hi, Admittedly its far more complex on bonanza, but the same principle will apply.

A lot of tumble reel slots do still have fixed reels, and the tumble just follows from where the reel landed, but there is loads of ways they could do it.
They then can calculate all the pays for every single possible "start point" of the spin/tumble

For all we know the reel height could be 512+ high.

As for the letters it will just most likely have a "letter" position and puts the actual current letter in eg the first letter that lands is changed to G the second O etc....
With fixed reels you could also ensure that 2 dont come on the same reel on the same spin, but could still come from new tumbles etc

I am only guessing all this but that is one way they could be doing it.

 

[slotter999]

@snorky510238

The reel strips as defined in the game client have been published. You will have to decide for yourself whether or not you think they are the actual strips used on the backend.

Search torors posts and you will find them.

Would be very interested in your analysis of them. I've looked myself and they are pretty formidable.

Adding @Reelsoffun as well.

 

[lockinlove]

Did roughly 9300 spins once and got a 36x bonus.. I almost broke my screen, been a few thousand spins now since last I had it. Highly doubt the 450 average, way too many people are doing thousands and thousands of spins before getting it. If it's legit then this kind of variance is ridiculously unlikely to be this widespread and just collective horrible run

The thing is having a feature drop on average once every 450 spins means it can go a very very long time without a bonus on some occasions. Its really no different than playing Jurassic or GoT and cant ht a bonus for 1000 spins and just leaving. I think the avergae on JP is 1-150. And many people have reported there has been instances of it going a long time without a bonus. Ive went 1000 spins on dragonz once without a bonus. 1500 spins on avalon 2.

1 in 450 spins is crazy and is a recipe for disaster sometimes.

But then some people have hit the bonus 3 times in 50 spins which is probably just as rare as going the other way.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I think hitting the bonus 3 times in 50 spins is far less common than going 1350 spins without a bonus!!! The later being a very regular occurrence!!

That’s the reason why I’ve had to ease off this game. Often going hours without a feature on auto play. I mean what’s the point really.

I would have a rough guess and say I’ve done about 200-250,000 spins through this game. I’ve still not had a 500X feature. I can’t complain overall about RTP, but there are plenty of other games out there that can offer the same chance of a big hit but without the capability of consistently going silly amount of spins to actually get the bonus.

BTG have clearly developed a great game here, surely by far the most popular game in history on line. But if you actually take a step back and look at what the game is capable of it’s actually a stinker. A real stinker!!

 

[shadow123]

The problem with this game is the low feature hit rate and how bad the feature really is when you hit one.
The 450 spin average will very easily produce 1000s of games without a feature and the chance of getting
a run in small spin session is very unlikely.
That would not really matter if the feature paid well when you finally hit one.
The average feature value is around 96x which actually not very high and the big hits are very
rare, usually happenning by achieving a lot of spins.Chilli really highlights the true nature of
the game,buying features shows how bad most are unless you are very lucky with the gambles.
Wonderful presentation but all smoke and mirrors

 

[Lincolnuk]

The problem with this game is the low feature hit rate and how bad the feature really is when you hit one.
The 450 spin average will very easily produce 1000s of games without a feature and the chance of getting
a run in small spin session is very unlikely.
That would not really matter if the feature paid well when you finally hit one.
The average feature value is around 96x which actually not very high and the big hits are very
rare, usually happenning by achieving a lot of spins.Chilli really highlights the true nature of
the game,buying features shows how bad most are unless you are very lucky with the gambles.
Wonderful presentation but all smoke and mirrors

Smoke and mirrors......

Hell the version Video slots must be using must be a Bloody Bonfire then

 

[Reelsoffun]

The problem with this game is the low feature hit rate and how bad the feature really is when you hit one.
The 450 spin average will very easily produce 1000s of games without a feature and the chance of getting
a run in small spin session is very unlikely.
That would not really matter if the feature paid well when you finally hit one.
The average feature value is around 96x which actually not very high and the big hits are very
rare, usually happenning by achieving a lot of spins.Chilli really highlights the true nature of
the game,buying features shows how bad most are unless you are very lucky with the gambles.
Wonderful presentation but all smoke and mirrors

Am i missing something here?, I would say that a 96x average isnt excessively bad, there are games out there with a far lower average. However it would suggest that it is indeed a low variance slot with only 21% of the RTP coming from the feature making the other 75% coming from the base based on the 450 spins for feature, which fits with people saying its good for wagering. An average slot I would say has traditionally aimed for around the 30-35% mark.

From the comments I have seen about this game maybe most the problem is people are seeing it as a high variance and playing as one but it isnt?

The alarm bells should be ringing loudly as soon as lots of people say its good to grind bonus wagering with as with low variance slots you get to a point of no return a lot quicker than a HV one.

Remember for the rare 1000x feature you would need about a dozen other features less than 40x to keep the 96x average.

My opinion?

The only smoke and mirrors here is that its a LV slot with the illusion of it being a HV and doing it very well. = Play with caution.


Let the flaming of my comment begin......

 

[greylady]

Smoke and mirrors......

Hell the version Video slots must be using must be a Bloody Bonfire then

I am almost sure VS version has had the features removed - well for me anyway

 

[SteveBr]

Bonanza is one of my favourite slots, but I can go days without hitting the feature then on other days get it more than once.

Yesterday was one such day, I actually got the feature 6 times in one play session! I was on there for two hours and didn’t want to come off. It was only when I went through about £10 with hardly any wins that I thought ah it’s gone cold now and (reluctantly) came off.

The best one was a 372x win and the worst one was about £7, but all of the others were in the range of 100x.

I have the screenshots but seeing as this is my first post I can’t upload them yet.

Mind you, even the 372x win was eclipsed by a feature win on Thunderstruck II, a nice 425x win on the 25 spins feature

I lost count of the number of feature wins I had on other games yesterday. Me and the wife were taking it in turns for quite a few hours and went from a £10 deposit to finishing the night £408 in credit. Stupidly we’ve left it in to have another go tonight, so that’s probably goodbye to that then

Anyway, back on topic. Sometimes I hate Bonanza. Yesterday I loved it.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Am i missing something here?, I would say that a 96x average isnt excessively bad, there are games out there with a far lower average. However it would suggest that it is indeed a low variance slot with only 21% of the RTP coming from the feature making the other 75% coming from the base based on the 450 spins for feature, which fits with people saying its good for wagering. An average slot I would say has traditionally aimed for around the 30-35% mark.

From the comments I have seen about this game maybe most the problem is people are seeing it as a high variance and playing as one but it isnt?

The alarm bells should be ringing loudly as soon as lots of people say its good to grind bonus wagering with as with low variance slots you get to a point of no return a lot quicker than a HV one.

Remember for the rare 1000x feature you would need about a dozen other features less than 40x to keep the 96x average.

My opinion?

The only smoke and mirrors here is that its a LV slot with the illusion of it being a HV and doing it very well. = Play with caution.


Let the flaming of my comment begin......

Yes. Other slots arent 1:450 to hit a bonus. Microgaming slots mostly are 1:150 for example.

Just because slot tracker states the average bonus pays 96x per feature doesnt mean anything at all. Because if one person that was being tracked hit 14,000x over 1 million spins and the average falls on 96x it means zilch. It actually means there arent very many big hits on the slot at all. It surely does not mean if you do 1000 features most times you are going to get 96x. It could mean 1 feature you get 2000x and the rest you get 30x.

Aside from me playing this slot a few hundred thousand spins. all the comments here and all ive seen on youtube and twitch. The average bonus is probably 30x. Just like Game of thrones or dragon born. The average bonus is 10-20x. Its what happens when there is large potential in a slot. Someone on game of thrones will hit that rare 3000x and then there will be hundreds of shitty bonuses. No different than bonanza.

All slot tracker should be used for is to see how a slot is running for them out of curiosity and the rtp over a large sample size. Average bonus is just an eye candy addition that means nothing

 

[Reelsoffun]

Yes. Other slots arent 1:450 to hit a bonus. Microgaming slots mostly are 1:150 for example.

Just because slot tracker states the average bonus pays 96x per feature doesnt mean anything at all. Because if one person that was being tracked hit 14,000x over 1 million spins and the average falls on 96x it means zilch. It actually means there arent very many big hits on the slot at all. It surely does not mean if you do 1000 features most times you are going to get 96x. It could mean 1 feature you get 2000x and the rest you get 30x.

Aside from me playing this slot a few hundred thousand spins. all the comments here and all ive seen on youtube and twitch. The average bonus is probably 30x. Just like Game of thrones or dragon born. The average bonus is 10-20x. Its what happens when there is large potential in a slot. Someone on game of thrones will hit that rare 3000x and then there will be hundreds of shitty bonuses. No different than bonanza.

All slot tracker should be used for is to see how a slot is running for them out of curiosity and the rtp over a large sample size. Average bonus is just an eye candy addition that means nothing

"It surely does not mean if you do 1000 features most times you are going to get 96x It could mean 1 feature you get 2000x and the rest you get 30x."
Im fully aware of how slots and averages work and whats wrong with that thats exactly how averages work your not going to get the average more than half the time.

I understand other slots can be around the 150 mark, thats not really the issue.
I dont use slot tracker, but i assumed it was probably right as I have a friend that has tracked his play and is at 91x average over several hundred features.
If you have played that many spins surely you would know what your average has been rather than guessing?

If you all believe that the average feature is 20-30x it does beg the question why the hell are you all still playing it? Knowing 70% of the payout is in base wins which just relentlessly attacks your bankroll? With only a slim chance of a big hit?

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Average means nothing. No sense even talking about it. Its just a number to look at unless you track each bonus individually and break down what bracket the bonus pays the most in. For me most bonuses pay 30x. On slot tracker it says 79x. My average bonus pays me 30x not 79x.

I play it because I enjoy it. But I dont play it everyday maybe a few times a week now. And I play it because slots are for entertainment. Not a way to make money. I have a choice to go blow $150 at a bar drinking or on food or the movies or whatever. Sometimes I choose bonanza.

If you have played that many spins surely you would know what your average has been rather than guessing?

Only if you pay attention to stuff like that. I bet you alot of people dont know or care to know

 

[Reelsoffun]

Average means nothing. No sense even talking about it. Its just a number to look at unless you track each bonus individually and break down what bracket the bonus pays the most in. For me most bonuses pay 30x. On slot tracker it says 79x. My average bonus pays me 30x not 79x.

I play it because I enjoy it. But I dont play it everyday maybe a few times a week now. And I play it because slots are for entertainment. Not a way to make money. I have a choice to go blow $150 at a bar drinking or on food or the movies or whatever. Sometimes I choose bonanza.

If you have played that many spins surely you would know what your average has been rather than guessing?

Only if you pay attention to stuff like that. I bet you alot of people dont know or care to know

Average means nothing ? LOL ok its only one of the most fundamental parts of every random slot, but ok

And yes I track all my slot play it makes it easier to show profit/loss and knowing a slots average feature hit can help with that.

But good luck to you on your quest for entertainment

 

[nutnut]

constant fecking disconnections tonight is a total piss take. as is how this game performs in the bonus round at £1+

20p ill always get above x10 on £1 i cant get above x5!!

 

[nutnut]

5 spins later my point proven again! absolute joke!

 

[dnight]

Think I got a new record. Definitely done with this little piece of junk

 

[goatwack]

Having a purple patch at VS so once the withdrawal was done and dusted I thought I'd visit an old friend with some chump change.

Expecting a beating, it actually played alright

Probably spent four hours on it, maybe five or six bonuses, and no feature suckage this time. It was strange.

Even stranger that at one point my balance never veered off £49 - 53, for about two hours straight Before the inevitable collapse, of course....

So all in all, it played how I remember it used to play. No real death streaks or urine extracting features.

Wouldn't deposit to play it though, no siree

 

[snorky510238]

Think I got a new record. Definitely done with this little piece of junk

I would "like" your post but it seems totally inappropriate. It's becoming a complete farce from what I can make of it.Especially given the average waiting time for a bonus round.To get a big fat zero is a disgrace as far as I am concerned.I can't help feeling a lot of sites out there aren't what I class as "fair" and providers seem to be getting away with murder.Perhaps sticking a few zero bonus rounds in there is their way of trying to convince us it's random so that can happen.It will take a lot more than that to convince me.

 

[lockinlove]

Average means nothing ? LOL ok its only one of the most fundamental parts of every random slot, but ok

And yes I track all my slot play it makes it easier to show profit/loss and knowing a slots average feature hit can help with that.

But good luck to you on your quest for entertainment

Not in that sense it doesnt really.

Paying $150 for entertainment on bonanza? Since when is chinese torture entertainment