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BenjaminGPS

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Well yes, there might be. They're not an allowed operator in Lithuania... Apparently so isn't Unibet, one of the best known bookmakers all around the world. Probably because gambling is highly regulated in Lithuania and only bookmakers or casino's with a Lithuanian license are allowed to operate in their jurisdiction.

A real life example for me: Bet365 and Casumo aren't allowed in Belgium because they don't have a Belgian license, you can't even sign up to them. Unibet has obtained a license and you can legally sign up to them as a Belgian citizen.

Does that make Bet365 and Casumo illegal as a whole? Ofcourse not, they have UKGC and MGC licenses and are allowed to operate in markets that accept those.
I hear you but the problem is when casinos don’t follow the countries laws and keep breaking them then the court steps in against them. That being said, Bitstarz must of continuously violated that country’s law to get an order against them. To any honest person out there I’m sure you would agree that any casino that has no regard for the law is considered rogue.
 
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sufferinsilence

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I hear you but the problem is when casinos don’t follow the countries laws and keep breaking them then the court steps in against them. That being said, Bitstarz must of continuously violated that country’s law to get an order against them. To any honest person out there I’m sure you would agree that any casino that has no regard for the law is considered rogue.

Not really, they might've proactively been put on the illegal operator list. It's possible that by putting casino's and bookmakers who don't have a Lithuanian license also have to be blocked by the Lithuanian ISP's meaning you can't even access their websites.

As you can see here:
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they have a pretty strict list of legal bookmakers and casino's.

Go to the Belgian Gaming Commission's website and you'll see an extensive list of illegal sites too. Most of those never offered services in Belgium but were proactively added and ISP's are supposed to block all traffic to those websites.
 

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I am actually surprised that this is the only court judgment against them seeing as how they still to this day are violating many countries online gambling laws. Until Bitstarz starts blocking ip addresses from banned countries they will continue to get more court rulings against them. If other Direx NV casinos like Playamo obey countries laws why can’t Bitstarz?
 

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Why is that? In their T&C's they clearly state:
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It is legal for You to participate in the Games according to applicable laws in the jurisdiction of your residence.

So if you live in a jurisdiction that doesn't allow you to gamble you shouldn't sign up at all.
 

BenjaminGPS

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Why is that? In their T&C's they clearly state:


So if you live in a jurisdiction that doesn't allow you to gamble you shouldn't sign up at all.
This sounds exactly like something a rogue casino owner would say. If casinos like Playamo which are operated by Direx NV operate in good faith why can’t Bitstarz?
 

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This sounds exactly like something a rogue casino owner would say. If casinos like Playamo which are operated by Direx NV operate in good faith why can’t Bitstarz?

Bitstarz has made it clear they don't have the same ownership/shareholders as other Direx NV casino's. I guess that's something their rep could clear up.

Imo players should take a little responsibility too. If they know they're not allowed to sign up to casino's outside of their jurisdiction, they shouldn't. Even if the casino has a good reputation. If they do they know there could be consequences for them, and the casino.
 

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Bitstarz has made it clear they don't have the same ownership/shareholders as other Direx NV casino's. I guess that's something their rep could clear up.

Imo players should take a little responsibility too. If they know they're not allowed to sign up to casino's outside of their jurisdiction, they shouldn't. Even if the casino has a good reputation. If they do they know there could be consequences for them, and the casino.
Sorry but I must correct you because your statement was false when you said Bitstarz has different owners. Both casinos have listed on their websites that they are owned and operated by Direx, N.V. It doesn’t get any clearer than this. So if we look at the business practices of both casinos it safe to say that Playamo should be the one with accredited status for obeying all laws.
 

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Sorry but I must correct you because your statement was false when you said Bitstarz has different owners. Both casinos have listed on their websites that they are owned and operated by Direx, N.V. It doesn’t get any clearer than this. So if we look at the business practices of both casinos it safe to say that Playamo should be the one with accredited status for obeying all laws.

That's what I thought too but Bitstarz has corrected me on that, here is their post: Odd document request
 

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That's what I thought too but Bitstarz has corrected me on that, here is their post: Odd document request
At the end of the day both casinos have it listed on the bottom of their homepage that they are owned and operated by Direx, N.V.

I don’t know what your point is but if your somehow trying to say that this means they don’t have to abide by the same laws as other Direx casinos then you are terribly mistaken my friend.
 

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At the end of the day both casinos have it listed on the bottom of their homepage that they are owned and operated by Direx, N.V.

I don’t know what your point is but if your somehow trying to say that this means they don’t have to abide by the same laws as other Direx casinos then you are terribly mistaken my friend.

:what: What I said is they don't have the same owners, they told me and the whole forum that. My last reply to you since you seem to be pretty hostile and I'll let @BitStarz take it from here because we're only talking in circles. :thumbsup:
 

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:what: What I said is they don't have the same owners, they told me and the whole forum that. My last reply to you since you seem to be pretty hostile and I'll let @BitStarz take it from here because we're only talking in circles. :thumbsup:
Sorry but your mistaken again, I am not being hostile in any way I am simply responding to your comments since you seem to be coming against me for speaking the truth. I understand that your probably frustrated because I keep correcting you but you should learn from me Instead of calling me names.
 

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Sorry but your mistaken again, I am not being hostile in any way I am simply responding to your comments since you seem to be coming against me for speaking the truth. I understand that your probably frustrated because I keep correcting you but you should learn from me Instead of calling me names.

OK, one last reply then to clear it up that with "hostile" I didn't call you a name but rather meant that you have an issue with Bitstarz and I'm not here to defend them. In my earlier post I just passed on what they told me regarding the Direx NV ownership. Now I'm really letting them discuss this matter with you. I think ours has ended :thumbsup:
 

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Don't I feel like a Cyprian scepter :eek2:
 

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I was warned that this would happened but I didn’t believe it. A few friends of mine warned me that if I brought up any dirt about Bitstarz I would be attacked from multiple users with ties to Bitstarz.
 

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Your smart ass remarks don’t bother me because I know you cowards are doing this because you know I’m right. Thanks for the verification.
 

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I was warned that this would happened but I didn’t believe it. A few friends of mine warned me that if I brought up any dirt about Bitstarz I would be attacked from multiple users with ties to Bitstarz.
Dont see what makes you think you are being attacked?? But I can see the ban hammer coming down soon as you are saying verbatim word for word what a banned poster was saying in another thread about bitstarz..... methinks you have been banned before for bullshitting........
 

BenjaminGPS

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Dont see what makes you think you are being attacked?? But I can see the ban hammer coming down soon as you are saying verbatim word for word what a banned poster was saying in another thread about bitstarz..... methinks you have been banned before for bullshitting........
Not one word has been my own I am only quoting info from official government website regarding the countries laws. Why should I be banned for telling the truth.
 

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Your smart ass remarks don’t bother me because I know you cowards are doing this because you know I’m right. Thanks for the verification.
If you are on here just to troll on about one casino, then please don't. Every single post of yours has been about this same casino, so if you've an agenda please take it elsewhere. People who disagree with you don't have ties to the casino, just a different perspective.
 

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This sounds exactly like something a rogue casino owner would say. If casinos like Playamo which are operated by Direx NV operate in good faith why can’t Bitstarz?

I don't know if you have seen that but Playamo is also on that illegal operator's list under the No-290.

In Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia (Baltic countries), as a rule, gambling laws are very strict.
 
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