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The only time I have had a bonus that I actually successfully gambled up to the 20 spin level, the percentages were not definitive. The first gamble from 8 to 10 spins had 58% favouring an answer. That was the highest I saw. All the best choice answers, even at 30% won for me. I collected at 22 spins when it gave a 25% split across all 4 choices. The bonus paid just shy of 50x (it was dead spin city)

In common with most people on here, I've tended to lose a lot more with percentages over 80%.
 
Would anyone who belongs to “the slots are random” brigade care to explain how this legitimately falls into that category.
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Every single time without fail if you walk away the answer is always the highest percentage. How is that possibly random.
 
If the answer was always the highest percentage I wouldn't have been binned off FOUR times now at 80%+ odds. I swore to stay away from this game but for some reason I went to it yesterday. Had a big balance, and huge wagering to boot. Fired it up on 4€ and oh look bonus lands... This was the fourth and most definitely last time I lose on the first fucking gamble again as I'm never playing this piece of shit again. 83% odds the answer is B, I choose it and answer is D. Yeah right.

' course I couldn't walk after that bullshit either so I stayed and I lost almost my whole balance before sacking that game.
 
If the answer was always the highest percentage I wouldn't have been binned off FOUR times now at 80%+ odds. I swore to stay away from this game but for some reason I went to it yesterday. Had a big balance, and huge wagering to boot. Fired it up on 4€ and oh look bonus lands... This was the fourth and most definitely last time I lose on the first fucking gamble again as I'm never playing this piece of shit again. 83% odds the answer is B, I choose it and answer is D. Yeah right.

' course I couldn't walk after that bullshit either so I stayed and I lost almost my whole balance before sacking that game.
If you “WALK AWAY” the answer is always the one that displayed the highest percentage.
 
If the answer was always the highest percentage I wouldn't have been binned off FOUR times now at 80%+ odds. I swore to stay away from this game but for some reason I went to it yesterday. Had a big balance, and huge wagering to boot. Fired it up on 4€ and oh look bonus lands... This was the fourth and most definitely last time I lose on the first fucking gamble again as I'm never playing this piece of shit again. 83% odds the answer is B, I choose it and answer is D. Yeah right.

' course I couldn't walk after that bullshit either so I stayed and I lost almost my whole balance before sacking that game.

See even if you do get a decent number of spins you are lucky to get 50X out of the bonus.
 
Would anyone who belongs to “the slots are random” brigade care to explain how this legitimately falls into that category.View attachment 103692View attachment 103693 Every single time without fail if you walk away the answer is always the highest percentage. How is that possibly random.

Almost certain that the game will not run the gamble if you walk away and will just show highest %age option to fit in with the show dynamic. Will say, in this scenario, and assuming it doesn’t say this on the rules that it’s a little off as it is clearly horse manure when actually gambling the spins.
 
Almost certain that the game will not run the gamble if you walk away and will just show highest %age option to fit in with the show dynamic. Will say, in this scenario, and assuming it doesn’t say this on the rules that it’s a little off as it is clearly horse manure when actually gambling the spins.
Why not let it pick a “random” answer then (as it wouldn’t make any difference), thus not giving the doubters any fuel for the fire and make it look a lot more credible?
 
Or it could be factored into the overall statistics as a sneaky way of maintaining the overall percentages therefore saying well you would have won if you had gambled. This would skew overall stats dramatically and can’t be ruled out. I find it hard to believe that with all the complexity involved in the making of a game of this nature that something as simple as mixing it up a bit (regarding the answer not always being the highest percentage when you walk away) has been overlooked without good reason. Especially when people are going to pick up on it so easily and question it.
 
Well I decided to give it another try tonight. Same result over and over with this slot. Yet to hit a decent win on it. Ripped my balance of £80 in no time then hit this. 50/50 of course I guess wrong (yawn yawn) and the result a whopping x4. What a bag o’shite this game is.
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Found a flaw with it when playing on fun mode...or maybe just luck. However the answer from 8 spins to 50 was A Every time! Wonder if it runs in weird sequences
Or maybe just rigged. As in when it’s due to go to 50 spins it doesn’t matter what you press the game goes with you so to speak.
 
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Yeah it’s not just now again with this slot it’s every time. I have never got to 20 spins let alone 50.

Despite what we are told by programmers I am convinced there’s also one or two things they don’t/can’t tell us. When this game launched I think it was @SteveBr who hit the 50 spins for not a great result it has to be said and if I remember right wasn’t it part of a competition or something first player to hit 50 spins. Given that achieving that is next to impossible how could they of run the risk of running that comp unless it was a gimme that someone was going to hit it. Imagine the damage if everyone was spinning away for weeks and it hadn’t been achieved but since then where are posts of even getting over 20 spins or a half decent win.

Go back to the first 6 months of Bonanza there were fairly regular posts with x20+ multipliers and occasional talk of 30+. Now hitting x15 is almost impossible. Considering it’s marketed as unlimited that’s pretty poor vs expectations.

I know people will say that there are more players giving it a spin on release so you will see a lot of big hits but I think there is no getting away from it. These games are given an inflated rtp for x amount of weeks then reset. It might not quite be like that but something changes.
 
I hit 175x off 8 spins yesterday and my Wife has had two 150x+ wins (varying spin numbers) in the last few days.

I did miss on a 66% chance first gamble thought on another one.

Swings and roundabouts.

As for the 'don't/can't tell us'. What do you think stops people? There are a TONNE of people who work on making slot games. Many of which are underpaid or don't even work in the industry anymore. What incentive would they possibly have for not saying things?

The thing you have to remember about a conspiracy is, how actually practical is it to really exist? The practicalities of keeping a secret like that and gagging 10's of thousands of current and ex employees (including many who would be disgruntled) would be a largely impossible job for a major government agency, let alone an industry comprised of thousands of disparate corporate entities :-)

The reality is exactly as you say, play volumes in the first few weeks of a slot are HUGELY higher. As soon as the game leaves a casino's front page (unless it's a real hit like the BTG games and others), it almost completely dies! Even those that are major hits will drop their player numbers by several hundred percent within a couple of weeks.

There are slot providers who actually believe that putting out lower RTP slots (~92-94%) and capitalising on the initial interest before it dies is the best way to go, so they make their money by putting out high volumes of 'crap' slots and just make short term money off each. It's a fairly rare philosophy though.
 
I hit 175x off 8 spins yesterday and my Wife has had two 150x+ wins (varying spin numbers) in the last few days.

I did miss on a 66% chance first gamble thought on another one.

Swings and roundabouts.

As for the 'don't/can't tell us'. What do you think stops people? There are a TONNE of people who work on making slot games. Many of which are underpaid or don't even work in the industry anymore. What incentive would they possibly have for not saying things?

The thing you have to remember about a conspiracy is, how actually practical is it to really exist? The practicalities of keeping a secret like that and gagging 10's of thousands of current and ex employees (including many who would be disgruntled) would be a largely impossible job for a major government agency, let alone an industry comprised of thousands of disparate corporate entities :)

The reality is exactly as you say, play volumes in the first few weeks of a slot are HUGELY higher. As soon as the game leaves a casino's front page (unless it's a real hit like the BTG games and others), it almost completely dies! Even those that are major hits will drop their player numbers by several hundred percent within a couple of weeks.

There are slot providers who actually believe that putting out lower RTP slots (~92-94%) and capitalising on the initial interest before it dies is the best way to go, so they make their money by putting out high volumes of 'crap' slots and just make short term money off each. It's a fairly rare philosophy though.
I am sure there are plenty of disgruntled Politicians/Police/etc who feel they’ve had a rough deal. How often do they come out and tell us what really goes on at the top/behind the scenes?
 
I am sure there are plenty of disgruntled Politicians/Police/etc who feel they’ve had a rough deal. How often do they come out and tell us what really goes on at the top/behind the scenes?

Very different situation.

All public servants work for a government. That means a single entity controlling them with a single set of contracts and rules. However, even with this, things come out all the time. Opposition political parties are always taking about, exposing and highlighting facts and statistics that are detrimental to their opponents. The only time that is different is when things are classified as Top Secret, Secret or Official Sensitive. Then it becomes a serious legal offence (that will also likely be very public) and a national security risk, so you can be sure that significant forces will be bought to bare on offenders.

That said, things still get out. Look at the Huawei leak that got Gavin Williamson fired. Look at Wiki Leaks, look at Edward Snowden.

Now compare that to a private industry made up of thousands of companies with no central set of rules or management structure beyond regulation (which keeps them in the public interest, not the opposite). All with their own contracts with each of their sets of employees. It just wouldn't be possible to coordinate that kind of secret keeping for what would be, in the grand scheme of things, a pretty minor secret (when compared to some of the Snowden and Wiki Leaks stuff).
 
Dunno why they couldn't stick to the Bonanza control,its not perfect but isn't blatantly rigged or at least doesnt appear to be.
Everything they done since has been a disaster,very boring base play and very rigged gambles and features.
One thing which is hard to understand is why they are shying away from megaways while allowing other to produce
decent games with it.They must be making a bomb from licensing so perhaps they dont care.
Cant say I am looking forward to opal fruits, just looks like a poor version of bonanza, the kind of game someone
might produce if they wanted to make a Bonanza copy without having to pay for megaways.
Tried Final Countdown the other day, took ages to get a feature, took the 15 spin one,paid rubbish, tried to get the feature again
to see what the 7 spin one was like,but gave up in the end, couldn't stand the boredom.
 
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Well if I had worked for a multi billion pound industry that boasts some very powerful/influential individuals, I'm not sure I'd fancy putting my head above the parapet either... Especially as the resultant shit storm would likely cause massive issues for the industry at large.

Plus there have been things posted anonymously online on forums that just get disregarded.

On the subject of WWTBAM, I actually quite like the game. Except for when the first spins gamble misses of course haha.
 
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Well if I had worked for a multi billion pound industry that boasts some very powerful/influential individuals, I'm not sure I'd fancy putting my head above the parapet either... Especially as the resultant shit storm would likely cause massive issues for the industry at large.

Plus there have been things posted anonymously online on forums that just get disregarded.

On the subject of WWTBAM, I actually quite like the game. Except for when the first spins gamble misses of course haha.
Yes the game itself is ok but what I feel seems to be lacking are the wins above x100. Don’t think I have had one above x200 and only 2 between 100 and 200. The rest are always pretty much sub x25. We also don’t see any really big hits posted (or I have missed them). At least that may explain the lack of intermediate wins.
 
Yes the game itself is ok but what I feel seems to be lacking are the wins above x100. Don’t think I have had one above x200 and only 2 between 100 and 200. The rest are always pretty much sub x25. We also don’t see any really big hits posted (or I have missed them). At least that may explain the lack of intermediate wins.

Oh I've seen big hits on it. A couple of the streamers have them posted on YouTube so the game has potential. I think, from memory, my biggest hit is about 200x but I don't play it excessively as I prefer DHV :thumbsup:
 
Oh I've seen big hits on it. A couple of the streamers have them posted on YouTube so the game has potential. I think, from memory, my biggest hit is about 200x but I don't play it excessively as I prefer DHV :thumbsup:
I prefer Bonanza but I like DHV. The only thing is I have a hell of a lot of features on that but never above x250. My 2 biggest wins at near x300 came in the base game. I also find that game very hot and cold:thumbsup:.
 
RANT TIME:

I had 2.35 in my account so I thought I would play Millonaire at 20p, started playing not really getting any wins down to £1 really quickly so peed off I increased to £1 and the bonus dropped in, woohoo what a stroke of luck the first choice was ask the audience 89% D, so I chose D and the answer was A 2%.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::confused::confused::confused:

Go and do one BTG big style!
 
RANT TIME:

I had 2.35 in my account so I thought I would play Millonaire at 20p, started playing not really getting any wins down to £1 really quickly so peed off I increased to £1 and the bonus dropped in, woohoo what a stroke of luck the first choice was ask the audience 89% D, so I chose D and the answer was A 2%.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::confused::confused::confused:

Go and do one BTG big style!

Your mistake there was gambling the bonus on a low balance. Too high risk, especially on that game.
 
Your mistake there was gambling the bonus on a low balance. Too high risk, especially on that game.
I was peed off which is why I upped it to £1 and just thought what the heck who knows what those 8 spins may have achieved annoying thing is if it had of been Chili I would have taken the spins just one of those "what if" moments.
 
RANT TIME:

I had 2.35 in my account so I thought I would play Millonaire at 20p, started playing not really getting any wins down to £1 really quickly so peed off I increased to £1 and the bonus dropped in, woohoo what a stroke of luck the first choice was ask the audience 89% D, so I chose D and the answer was A 2%.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::confused::confused::confused:

Go and do one BTG big style!

If it's any consolation... I have seen the bonus round drop In quick on the first few spins and the resultant gamble was more often than not ... a loss.

Why do you think I don't play this trash. BTG's gimmick to tempt you into gambling your spins and losing them. Even if you win the gambles and you have 18 spins, I guarantee all those gambles are worthless and end up being blank spins in any event.

Can anyone enlighten me why you need to gamble 10 times, for more blanks spins and then have Megaways in play plus an unlimited multiplier and yet we only see 3-4 hits per MONTH over 2000x at places with high volume traffic like Casumo?

Gimmick Central.

Nate
 

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