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Yeah you can’t help but notice the same old patterns develop every time. Despite what the ‘blind faith’ say. I know what I am seeing. Game comes out, first few times you play it you can’t believe how often the bonuses dropped in (irrespective of the fact they paid nothing much), a few decent base hits. Then bang you cant hit anything for love nor money. Where are all the posts of people achieving 50 spins? I can’t get past 12 lol. Like I said previous the only time it will be achieved is when you’re being aided by the software. It’s plain to see the pattern on this slot. 5 or 6 losing spins, a couple of 3 and 4 oak cascades, a scatter dropping on the first reel, 5 or 6 losing spins, 3 diamonds, 3 oak cascade low paying symbols, two scatters, 5 or 6 losing spins. Put this on a loop for 20 minutes. Then 3 scatters, lose first gamble repeat loop gamble loses at 12 so 10 spins that pay x30 or thereabouts and repeat cycle. I find it pretty boring anyway tbh but with the predictable cycle it’s almost unplayable for me. Love it or hate it Bonanza IMO is a great slot. It has a better feel to it and is a lot more unpredictable. Unfortunately since Btg hit on this winning formula they have produced other slots based upon it but for me haven’t succeeded in making a better one. Forget the side shows and analyse the basics and for me millionaire is extra chilli mark 2.
 
I would suggest to anyone gambling the feature to stop. If the bonus is going to pay it will pay on 8 spins. I think the gamble feature is just made for casinos benefits. I have had 30 spins pay me 7x, 22 spins pay me 11x, 20 spins pay me 15 x and this one paid me garbage too. I would stop listening to others and just follow your gut.

All my biggest wins came from 8 spins. I do not believe the gamble feature is part of the rtp is just an extra add on feature to give casinos the edge.

I am convinced that BTG bonuses are 100% pre determined without question. Ive played them long enough to know. Ive also had 32, 27 and 22 spins on bonanza pay nothing. Ive had 60 spins on dragon born pay nothing.

Not sure why btg wont admit to it being predetermined? Push finally came out and admitted it. Its not a big deal everything doesnt have to be misleading you know...



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I would suggest to anyone gambling the feature to stop. If the bonus is going to pay it will pay on 8 spins. I think the gamble feature is just made for casinos benefits. I have had 30 spins pay me 7x, 22 spins pay me 11x, 20 spins pay me 15 x and this one paid me garbage too. I would stop listening to others and just follow your gut.

All my biggest wins came from 8 spins. I do not believe the gamble feature is part of the rtp is just an extra add on feature to give casinos the edge.

I am convinced that BTG bonuses are 100% pre determined without question. Ive played them long enough to know. Ive also had 32, 27 and 22 spins on bonanza pay nothing. Ive had 60 spins on dragon born pay nothing.

Not sure why btg wont admit to it being predetermined? Push finally came out and admitted it. Its not a big deal everything doesnt have to be misleading you know...



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you are not lockedinlove with this game :p
 
I got the first three 'questions' right first time I gambled, without even realizing what was afoot, by the time I did I scarpered with my 12 or so spins :eek2:

I fear that may have been the exception rather than the norm, reading the subsequent horror stories :eek2::eek2:
 
It will be a horror fest most times. BTG slots, are designed that way. Pathethic pay outs, Big HYPE, Massive Marketing, lots of promise but never any delivery.

I know this slot probably has much more in the tank than Borenanza has, but it is genuinely a misleading piece of crap that ONLY BTG know how to create. Making you lose your free spins & gamble for more spins with some gimped gamble feature and returning tripe.

Then wait another 300 spins to see them again and rinse and repeat. You're down 300x bet then you manage 3 features that pay 50x, 100x and 38x and most get excited. 'Yay - Look this slot has so much potential'....

The sad part is over and above all the crap here, just 1 little screenshot and the masses are back feeding the BTG engine. All excited to see 100x bet :lolup::lolup:

These guys have most players by the nuts... sadly, it will devastate most players as their gambles and buy features are aimed at fattening their pockets faster than they can imagine all whilst pretending to be responsible operators by limiting your spins to 100 at a time - Joke of the century!

Nate
 
More food for thought. I gave this a few spins earlier and triggered a four scatter feature after a handful of spins. Gambled to get 18 spins then got a 50/50. I didn’t fancy my chances and walked away thinking 18 is enough anyway. I had 15 dead spins and ended up with x25:(. I played on thinking chance gone and hit a 3 scatter with 50/50 again. I thought I may aswell take 8 and whatever I get just exit the game. I think it was the 5th and 6th spin I got consecutive 117,649 ways for £78 and £140 respectively and the end result
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Which again only goes to reinforce what I have said before about the amount of spins. Nice to finally get a hit off this ferocious beast:).
 
Had two really bad sessions on this game in a row.

Friday had £500 went £2 spins money just disappeared in the end withdrew £200 just to ensure I didn't lose it all.

Yesterday had £200 from a £20 deposit didn't get a bonus trigger until I had £15 left then it gave me 10 spins only and a small win.

Every bonus I have had on this in both sessions has not taken me over the 10 spin option.
 
I am no expert when it comes to software but I do know it can’t program itself. Therefore conclusions have to be written in surely. All the troubleshooting has to be covered. The “if or” scenario. The outcome is decided before the reels spin. In bonus rounds it’s hard to believe each spin is independent as usually it’s a run of the mill 8 dead spins out of 10 or 12. Yet on the bigger paying ones it’s the other way around. If it was truly random knowing the potential in some bonus rounds you would be extremely unlikely and unlucky to have these consistent runs of hitting x10 or less with no let up. 7 of my best 20 wins this year on a certain slot all came within 5 hours during one session. That’s more like compensated to me.


Who says it uses the same reel strips for all multipliers? I doubt it does, dont mean its not random or independent spins, many ways to "control" a slot while keeping it random.
 
More food for thought. I gave this a few spins earlier and triggered a four scatter feature after a handful of spins. Gambled to get 18 spins then got a 50/50. I didn’t fancy my chances and walked away thinking 18 is enough anyway. I had 15 dead spins and ended up with x25:(. I played on thinking chance gone and hit a 3 scatter with 50/50 again. I thought I may aswell take 8 and whatever I get just exit the game. I think it was the 5th and 6th spin I got consecutive 117,649 ways for £78 and £140 respectively and the end resultView attachment 102050Which again only goes to reinforce what I have said before about the amount of spins. Nice to finally get a hit off this ferocious beast:).


Could you not also see that it could just have been lucky to hit the 2 117k ways within the 8 spins?? Its already clear that is where the win potential is on this slot and if you dont get any or get bad ones your gonna have a bad session. If you tracked all your features recording key points I think you would start dis-proving your theory that they are pre determined just as easy as "proving" it.
 
To be fair I thought Bonanza was as bent as a 9-bob note up until my drunken winning exploits on it, merely 6 days, 14 hours ago

I'm sure this game would come good at some point, albeit after some heavy investment and continuous disappointments :eek2:
 
same results for me i played this once i got lucky to hit the free spins within 50 at £2 , i gambled to 18 spins , thought this should give it a chance just same outcome , should've carried on gambling because it did not surpass 10x total bet again nothing new here , almost like pointed out that it knows before hand , again piles of pointless dead spins, i clearly had lost enough on it )
 
I lost conecutively: 81%,85% and 89% gambles. And then the game went on to take over 500 x bet before triggering any bonus. Thats a 1/4 chance to lose 3 times in a row.

Im so done with BTG. Also white rabbit i have now bought over 200 features and biggest win is 350x(3,5x) bet.

Its inanse!! These games cannot be fair by a long shot.
 
I've been having a bit of red mist recently which is not healthy. Lost a bucket load a few days back getting sucked into buying features which is simply dumb. At least this slot doesn't have that even if the gamble one these things is a questionable addition. Anyway, plugging along with this at 80p a spin because if nothing else BTG slots do not generally swallow your money as quick as a lot of the HV things coming out and sure enough I got a bucket load of play out of my £50 @ 80p a spin. Got one feature which lost (ATA 89%) naturally! Second won did win on phone a friend, lost second gamble and 10 spins paid 8x. As it had generally been kind compared to recent experiences I was actually ok with it.

Anyway, got down to 55p balance and had a reward of 25 free spins on Book of Dead. As I do not like to lower my stake on last spins in case I hit, and that can be frustrating on half your stake which you had been playing, I thought I'd see if I could get together a few extra spins of money. Of course these spins at min stake are often a waste of time and sure enough the thing literally doubled my money with 55p so £1.10 left. Time for one more spin as I was not reloading........

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This sort of thing happens so rarely that it's up there with my biggest wins (even though this is a relatively modest one). If I am being greedy it'd have been nice for this to have happened in the bonus round at 10x.
 
I lost conecutively: 81%,85% and 89% gambles. And then the game went on to take over 500 x bet before triggering any bonus. Thats a 1/4 chance to lose 3 times in a row.

Im so done with BTG. Also white rabbit i have now bought over 200 features and biggest win is 350x(3,5x) bet.

Its inanse!! These games cannot be fair by a long shot.

Funny you should say a 81% lost......

I was actually watching the real WWTBAM TV program the other night where a ask the audience was 81% the player went for it and they were wrong and he lost a lot of dosh! Anyone else see the episode? One of the new ones with Jeremy.
 
Funny you should say a 81% lost......

I was actually watching the real WWTBAM TV program the other night where a ask the audience was 81% the player went for it and they were wrong and he lost a lot of dosh! Anyone else see the episode? One of the new ones with Jeremy.
Yeah, but the bellend primed the audience first by suggesting that answer first, and psychologically those who didn't know the answer will always try and seem right for pride. So he led them.
 
I could be wrong but When Chris Tarrant hosted it I don’t think the audience were ever wrong. They certainly had a very good record. Not like the btg version where they hardly get anything right.
They were, numerous times. I remember one bloke being shafted on a film question, something to do with Frankenstein IIRC.
 
On the real show, certainly in the early days the audience were told before the filming to only vote if you know the answer, as I was in the audience several times, so it should really be one of the strongest lifelines available, but as @dunover said people still like to be part of the vote when they there and get it wrong lol
 
On the real show, certainly in the early days the audience were told before the filming to only vote if you know the answer, as I was in the audience several times, so it should really be one of the strongest lifelines available, but as @dunover said people still like to be part of the vote when they there and get it wrong lol

Were *cough* you *cough* really? :D
 
lol, a little aside - i actually missed my first day of high school in order to be an extra on a movie set
i even had a speaking line, thankfully given away away to a kid who showed up last seocond as it was bloody awful :P
 
Yep it was quite cool actually, way smaller than it looks and I didnt *cough* once :D

Same here. Family lived just round the corner from Elstree where it used to be filmed. You are quite packed into benches round the main stage. Got to go on stage although not, unfortunately, to answer questions for £1m. As Reels said you were asked to not answer if you didn’t know. Winds me up a little when you get 2-4% odd going for a clearly wrong answer. If you don’t know, don’t effing guess!!

Interestingly in the last series, a woman when asked a question about the year of an antartic exhibition had the following answers; 1891, 1901, 1911 and 1921. She did talk and ruled out 1921 categorically, and doubted it was 1911 before asking the audience. From memory something like 21-22% still went for 1911. I immediately said that was the right answer. For approaching a quarter of answers to still go for an answer she pretty much ruled out let me know they knew the answer. She ended up going for the biggest vote which she had alluded to in her thought process, I think 1901.

Got me thinking, if you had the balls, you could manipulate the audience a bit if it is a late lifeline on a question you know not many will know the answer to. May need to think about how specifically do it but lean away from an answer or two. If a significant %age still vote for it then likely correct. Obviously if you happen to rule out wrong answers you may not help yourself but could at least sort of narrow it down to 50/50.

Sorry, my poker brain kicking in. Rambling a bit!
 
The K is rairer than hens teeth on reel 2. In the bonus game it appears more though. I know in other MW games certain reel strips have very low symbols of a certain type. Therefore on WWTBAM, a first reel of stacked Kings acts as a blocker
 
I am a big fan of Btg slots. They tick most boxes for me. However the one thing I can’t have is that bonus rounds are not predetermined. For me the win from the bonus round is decided upon triggering it or when the amount of spins is decided. Incidentally I haven’t looked into it so it could be stated somewhere but it would be nice to know how gambling for more spins actually benefits you. What I mean is if it’s all random and you gamble for say 20 spins and 18 of them are dead how do you know that taking 8 at the start wouldn’t have paid exactly the same but maybe played out differently in terms of the ‘eye candy’. On the other hand if gambling to 20 spins means it selects from a higher win pool it still can’t be random. As it would have to select before spins begin. I don’t overplay the game but I have played it enough to know that the gamble isn’t random. Aa and Paf should be displayed as 25% for A,B,C and D. If it was random they are the true odds. Having one displayed as 83% ( and god is that wrong so many times) the player is purposely being led into losing. I always walk away when it’s 50/50 or not a high percentage pointing to a particular answer. Let’s say I have walked away 100 times. The answer without fail (excluding 50/50) has always been the higher percentage. That CANNOT BE RANDOM. I played it yesterday and triggered 5 bonuses fairly close together and every one of them was shockingly bad.
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I can only assume this one below was an extremely hard question:laugh: as nobody seemed to have a clue. The reason I feel that this truer representation of winning the gamble isn’t displayed more often is that it would deter people from attempting the gamble. I am assuming that all potential winnings from lost gambles are saved for the ‘big hit’ that might happen someday. Oh and yes you guessed it even on this one I walked away and the answer was D:rolleyes:.
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I am a big fan of Btg slots. They tick most boxes for me. However the one thing I can’t have is that bonus rounds are not predetermined. For me the win from the bonus round is decided upon triggering it or when the amount of spins is decided. Incidentally I haven’t looked into it so it could be stated somewhere but it would be nice to know how gambling for more spins actually benefits you. What I mean is if it’s all random and you gamble for say 20 spins and 18 of them are dead how do you know that taking 8 at the start wouldn’t have paid exactly the same but maybe played out differently in terms of the ‘eye candy’. On the other hand if gambling to 20 spins means it selects from a higher win pool it still can’t be random. As it would have to select before spins begin. I don’t overplay the game but I have played it enough to know that the gamble isn’t random. Aa and Paf should be displayed as 25% for A,B,C and D. If it was random they are the true odds. Having one displayed as 83% ( and god is that wrong so many times) the player is purposely being led into losing. I always walk away when it’s 50/50 or not a high percentage pointing to a particular answer. Let’s say I have walked away 100 times. The answer without fail (excluding 50/50) has always been the higher percentage. That CANNOT BE RANDOM. I played it yesterday and triggered 5 bonuses fairly close together and every one of them was shockingly bad.View attachment 103344View attachment 103345View attachment 103346View attachment 103347View attachment 103348 I can only assume this one below was an extremely hard question:laugh: as nobody seemed to have a clue. The reason I feel that this truer representation of winning the gamble isn’t displayed more often is that it would deter people from attempting the gamble. I am assuming that all potential winnings from lost gambles are saved for the ‘big hit’ that might happen someday. Oh and yes you guessed it even on this one I walked away and the answer was D:rolleyes:.View attachment 103349
50/50 is an arse to get at the first gamble but higher up the ladder it becomes the best lifeline especially as high up the ATA and PAF lifelines become less valuable. Got to 20 spins twice but the lifelines were fairly kind and gave me 70% upwards for ATA and PAF and went with the odds. I needed to do a 50/50 from 18 to 20 though and won However only got 10x on 20 spins
 
50/50 is an arse to get at the first gamble but higher up the ladder it becomes the best lifeline especially as high up the ATA and PAF lifelines become less valuable. Got to 20 spins twice but the lifelines were fairly kind and gave me 70% upwards for ATA and PAF and went with the odds. I needed to do a 50/50 from 18 to 20 though and won However only got 10x on 20 spins
My point exactly it would have paid the same for 8 spins. I walked away with 8 once and because it had selected quite a high win I had back to back 117,649 spins that both paid well because it had to cram the win into less spins. That’s how I see it anyway.
 
I am a big fan of Btg slots. They tick most boxes for me. However the one thing I can’t have is that bonus rounds are not predetermined. For me the win from the bonus round is decided upon triggering it or when the amount of spins is decided. Incidentally I haven’t looked into it so it could be stated somewhere but it would be nice to know how gambling for more spins actually benefits you. What I mean is if it’s all random and you gamble for say 20 spins and 18 of them are dead how do you know that taking 8 at the start wouldn’t have paid exactly the same but maybe played out differently in terms of the ‘eye candy’. On the other hand if gambling to 20 spins means it selects from a higher win pool it still can’t be random. As it would have to select before spins begin. I don’t overplay the game but I have played it enough to know that the gamble isn’t random. Aa and Paf should be displayed as 25% for A,B,C and D. If it was random they are the true odds. Having one displayed as 83% ( and god is that wrong so many times) the player is purposely being led into losing. I always walk away when it’s 50/50 or not a high percentage pointing to a particular answer. Let’s say I have walked away 100 times. The answer without fail (excluding 50/50) has always been the higher percentage. That CANNOT BE RANDOM. I played it yesterday and triggered 5 bonuses fairly close together and every one of them was shockingly bad.View attachment 103344View attachment 103345View attachment 103346View attachment 103347View attachment 103348 I can only assume this one below was an extremely hard question:laugh: as nobody seemed to have a clue. The reason I feel that this truer representation of winning the gamble isn’t displayed more often is that it would deter people from attempting the gamble. I am assuming that all potential winnings from lost gambles are saved for the ‘big hit’ that might happen someday. Oh and yes you guessed it even on this one I walked away and the answer was D:rolleyes:.View attachment 103349

I've always felt the bonanza bonus win was decided the moment it triggers, it's too convenient and common when you have 5 or 6 dead spins you then get a decent win which would have been substantially greater had more wins increased the multiplier, and 8/10 the last spin is dead. unless for each spin the reels are weighted differently, that would be a way of controlling/influencing the outcome to some extent while maintaining that it was random and undecided from start to end.

I haven't gambled any wwtbam features, I'm too tight to give em a bonus up for nout and have fond though ever distant memories of my extra chilli jammy win on 8 spins [3000x+], so I know you probably can win big with just 8 spins, maybe less often but then you'll get more chances at it overall if you collect it each time.
 
This game is an absolute beast to get a bonus at times. Have lost on 87% as gamble to 10 before. Not quite sure how that can be in any way fair? The king on reel 2 thing is embarrassing, it must hit once in about 300 drop downs at best. Found the best chance for a big win is Max ways in the basegame, rare to get wins on the feature like that.
 
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This game is an absolute beast to get a bonus at times. Have lost on 87% as gamble to 10 before. Not quite sure how that can be in any way fair? The king on reel 2 thing is embarrassing, it must hit once in about 300 drop downs at best. Found the best chance for a big win is Max ways in the basegame, rare to get wins on the feature like that.
The Kings on reel 2 are missing obviously on purpose so that reel 1 can be used as a blocker if it contains a strip of Kings. Happens often
 
Where are all the big wins? Since the initial hyp and a couple of people achieving 50 spins I haven’t seen anything remotely decent. The walk away is embarrassing too. Every single time the answer was the highest percentage even if its 55% or something yet the times you are wrong on 80 odd percent is ridiculous. I wonder if the answer being the highest percentage when you walk away is included in the overall statistics. If it is that’s surely not fair as you didn’t gamble but I wouldn’t be surprised if it is therefore making it totally false.
 
Where are all the big wins? Since the initial hyp and a couple of people achieving 50 spins I haven’t seen anything remotely decent. The walk away is embarrassing too. Every single time the answer was the highest percentage even if its 55% or something yet the times you are wrong on 80 odd percent is ridiculous. I wonder if the answer being the highest percentage when you walk away is included in the overall statistics. If it is that’s surely not fair as you didn’t gamble but I wouldn’t be surprised if it is therefore making it totally false.

Tend to agree with the feature. It's likely that you have waited hundreds of spins only to blatantly me shown that it's most likely A at 83% but it turns out to be C at 2%. It happens far too often to be down to chance.
 

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