Betway confiscated balance, after huge win

[bebo67]

Bebo?

Yes?

 

[goatwack]

Bebo?

Yes?

 

[aceking123]

goatwack those fudging pants your wearing in swimming , did it not feel small )

 

[goatwack]

goatwack those fudging pants your wearing in swimming , did it not feel small )

No smaller than usual

 

[The Dude]

@veera94 - one more chance before I consider this a frivolous complaint. I said I'd try to help. Last chance.

 

[goatwack]

 

[bebo67]

 

[bebo67]

Ack. She used her parents CC and is caught between a rock and a hard place. Money, money 80K

 

[miksaxxx]

She has been guiet in every forum today. Maybe thinking what to do. Or sleeping..

If everything IS like she sayed , i really hope that she contacts Bryan " casinomeister " .

 

[The Dude]

Ok - that's it. This person had his or her chance to have this resolved. I was willing to help, and I could have expedited this to have either the MGA or eCOGRA take another look. But as you all can probably tell, she is using another's identity. It's pretty obvious.

And for the real person who this person is personifying, I will remove her name from this thread since it's unacceptable that her name be hijacked and spread all over the Internet via Google etc.

 

[toph11]

Ok - that's it. This person had his or her chance to have this resolved. I was willing to help, and I could have expedited this to have either the MGA or eCOGRA take another look. But as you all can probably tell, she is using another's identity. It's pretty obvious.

And for the real person who this person is personifying, I will remove her name from this thread since it's unacceptable that her name be hijacked and spread all over the Internet via Google etc.

you are quite harsh
80k is some life changing money
i wonder if she will ever get it?

 

[GC_Konstantin]

I asked her if she has a FB page, and she told me over an hour and a half ago that "yeah, doesn't everyone have one?" So I says, "well - where?" And she says, "Why do you want it? Why don't I just send you a picture of me holding my ID up to my face?" Note - the sarcasm did not escape me. So I replied, "So I know who you are. If you are who you are claiming to be. You can even like the Casinomeister fan page.

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That'll take about 3 seconds."

And I also showed mine - so she knows I exist on FB.

So far, not a peep.

I've read the thread in full. I won't make speculations (although balance seems indeed inclined already). Just wanted to pinpoint that I've hit the like button on your FB page without trying to get my hands on 80 grands ! Took me 5 seconds.

 

[mimi26]

Do people actually get through the verification process if they are fraudsters? I just cant understand why anyone would risk winning big after they signed up fraudulently.

With all they systems in place today you would have to be a real idiot to try this

 

[The Dude]

you are quite harsh
80k is some life changing money
i wonder if she will ever get it?

There isn't anything for anybody to get. This appears to be a fraudster using someone else's ID.

 

[Valhalla]

Congratulations OP, you played yourself.



EDIT: @Casinomeister - maybe edit the title so as not to be misleading? Quite clear BetWay did no wrong here.

 

[nutnut]

how about the id and bank card she stole off real person claims the 80k?

 

[pinnit2014]

*rushes out to change name/gender/whatever will get the job done*

 

[GC_Konstantin]

Do people actually get through the verification process if they are fraudsters? I just cant understand why anyone would risk winning big after they signed up fraudulently.

With all they systems in place today you would have to be a real idiot to try this

Yes, many people manage to bypass the actual poorly designed verification process (and it is not even too hard) as long as they are not subject to a random video session after sending and checking their KYC documents !

It is a bit of "work" but not too hard to talk to a "cousin" (be that a real cousin or a student from the University or even a homeless person with a valid ID card) which never had any ties with online gambling, pay him / her do some selfies with his / her documents, get him / her to the bank to open up a new bank account for which the impersonator will use, get a new prepaid phone number for which the impersonator will use as well (2 sim and 3 sim phones are handy in such situations lol). From there new Skrill, Neteller, EcoPayz etc accounts can be opened if needed too. The impersonators just have to take care about their machine MAC address not to be the same and their IP not match any of their old blocked accounts either (preferably avoid the IP class as well and also not use a VPN) -- I won't get into finer details because I do not want to help fraudsters.

And no, they are not idiots but just charlatans ! Many of them are successful charlatans and you would be surprised, are not simply banned players (there are a few of these too such as big live blackjack card counters, arbitrage sport bettors or highly skilled bonus hunters) but many are small affiliates playing trough themselves and generating fraudulent traffic for which they earn revenue (or CPA depending on their deal) which is much much more profitable than being an advantage player.

Thing is, to properly combat this type of fraud, every casino should add a term stating that a (5 minutes) one time video session can be requested randomly at any time to ascertain that the player is indeed who said to be when sending his / her KYC documents and that only after that video session the player can be considered fully verified and nothing more shall be requested from him (unless he changes his payment method, name or home address). Probably another term should be added requesting the player have at least one valid way to do a video session (ie. a camera on his PC, a laptop / tablet with incorporated camera or a phone with front camera) at any time he plays at the casino. -- The video session request should be prompted randomly via a big on-screen pop-up (or chat request) in any one of the sessions once the player logged into his account. The said term also should state that the player is not allowed to decline the video session request once it was triggered or he will forfeit his whole account balance (and should also specify that in the very odd case that a electricity fall should happen right in that moment, the player will still be able to ensure the video session takes place via phone within the next 15 minutes).

I am certain that it won't still combat this type of fraud in proportion of 100% [because some will still do it with real cousins and "friends" and play only while are at their cousins and friends homes (or even instruct them exactly how to do it -- which would make it legal btw)], but certainly it will put a huge hurdle in the way (and a much bigger cost for these charlatans to put it in practice of course) and in proportion of about over 80% it will prevent this type of fraud happening. Probably some charlatans will disregard these new terms and still do it as in present and then be caught.

Still that would be a great step forward in combating this type of fraud in my opinion ! -- I believe this is a brilliant idea !!! -- Who is with me on this matter ?

 

[goatwack]

Yikes, the lengths some people will go to in order to deceive casinos!

With amounts like these at stake though, you could slap a wig on me and call me Sue for 80K

 

[aceking123]

Thought you was only sue on Saturdays goaty)

 

[lockinlove]

Yikes, the lengths some people will go to in order to deceive casinos!

With amounts like these at stake though, you could slap a wig on me and call me Sue for 80K

Come to Canada and we can make it official if you want

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Yes, many people manage to bypass the actual poorly designed verification process (and it is not even too hard) as long as they are not subject to a random video session after sending and checking their KYC documents !

It is a bit of "work" but not too hard to talk to a "cousin" (be that a real cousin or a student from the University or even a homeless person with a valid ID card) which never had any ties with online gambling, pay him / her do some selfies with his / her documents, get him / her to the bank to open up a new bank account for which the impersonator will use, get a new prepaid phone number for which the impersonator will use as well (2 sim and 3 sim phones are handy in such situations lol). From there new Skrill, Neteller, EcoPayz etc accounts can be opened if needed too. The impersonators just have to take care about their machine MAC address not to be the same and their IP not match any of their old blocked accounts either (preferably avoid the IP class as well and also not use a VPN) -- I won't get into finer details because I do not want to help fraudsters.

And no, they are not idiots but just charlatans ! Many of them are successful charlatans and you would be surprised, are not simply banned players (there are a few of these too such as big live blackjack card counters, arbitrage sport bettors or highly skilled bonus hunters) but many are small affiliates playing trough themselves and generating fraudulent traffic for which they earn revenue (or CPA depending on their deal) which is much much more profitable than being an advantage player.

Thing is, to properly combat this type of fraud, every casino should add a term stating that a (5 minutes) one time video session can be requested randomly at any time to ascertain that the player is indeed who said to be when sending his / her KYC documents and that only after that video session the player can be considered fully verified and nothing more shall be requested from him (unless he changes his payment method, name or home address). Probably another term should be added requesting the player have at least one valid way to do a video session (ie. a camera on his PC, a laptop / tablet with incorporated camera or a phone with front camera) at any time he plays at the casino. -- The video session request should be prompted randomly via a big on-screen pop-up (or chat request) in any one of the sessions once the player logged into his account. The said term also should state that the player is not allowed to decline the video session request once it was triggered or he will forfeit his whole account balance (and should also specify that in the very odd case that a electricity fall should happen right in that moment, the player will still be able to ensure the video session takes place via phone within the next 15 minutes).

I am certain that it won't still combat this type of fraud in proportion of 100% [because some will still do it with real cousins and "friends" and play only while are at their cousins and friends homes (or even instruct them exactly how to do it -- which would make it legal btw)], but certainly it will put a huge hurdle in the way (and a much bigger cost for these charlatans to put it in practice of course) and in proportion of about over 80% it will prevent this type of fraud happening. Probably some charlatans will disregard these new terms and still do it as in present and then be caught.

Still that would be a great step forward in combating this type of fraud in my opinion ! -- I believe this is a brilliant idea !!! -- Who is with me on this matter ?

Wow..

 

[Biti]

Cubits does that with a cam. Works very fine and quick. In a few minutes I had my account validated, while it takes at some casinos more than two weeks.

 

[GC_Konstantin]

Cubits does that with a cam. Works very fine and quick. In a few minutes I had my account validated, while it takes at some casinos more than two weeks.

Yes, Cubits, BitPanda (btw, their service is 3 classes better than Cubits ! -- more currencies and more user friendly) and probably a couple more crypto oriented exchanges. But all of them do it programmed.
If this thing can not be done on a spontaneous request basis (so the impersonator have no time to set a meeting with the actual person he / she impersonates to pass the video session), it will still be bypassed.

 

[bebo67]

Yes, Cubits, BitPanda (btw, their service is 3 classes better than Cubits ! -- more currencies and more user friendly) and probably a couple more crypto oriented exchanges. But all of them do it programmed.
If this thing can not be done on a spontaneous request basis (so the impersonator have no time to set a meeting with the actual person he / she impersonates to pass the video session), it will still be bypassed.

I think that is a great idea, but what if you dont have a cam?

 

[GC_Konstantin]

I think that is a great idea, but what if you don't have a cam?

A new Term: to be able to sign up / log-in and play at The Casino, one must confirm that he / she does have a working cam on one of his unit(s) at all times.
I think most laptops and tablets do have a cam incorporated. Newer phones have a front cam as well. PC players should buy a cam before signing up / playing.

Would be interesting to find how out many players do have a possibility for a spontaneous video chat session ? I'd say the result would be at over 90% for sure.

 

[Tirilej]

A new Term: to be able to sign up / log-in and play at The Casino, one must confirm that he / she does have a working cam on one of his unit(s) at all times.
I think most laptops and tablets do have a cam incorporated. Newer phones have a front cam as well. PC players should buy a cam before signing up / playing.

Would be interesting to find how out many players do have a possibility for a spontaneous video chat session ? I'd say the result would be at over 90% for sure.

As long as a phone can be used I would say 99%. I gave away my cam since I didn't have any use for it.

 

[bebo67]

As long as a phone can be used I would say 99%. I gave away my cam since I didn't have any use for it.

As bizarre as this may sound. I don't have a cell phone, as I have shaky hands. It would cause huge frustration and I don't have a computer cam. Lol. Not that I was going to sign up, but it is a good idea. My one contract I had was done out of my home and they required that I had a viable office set up, which I do, but they were going to do spot checks with 5 minutes notice via cam. I was able to get away with sending pictures from my regular camera.

 

[spurs1882]

The suspected fraudster in this thread got detected so it seems to me the verification process worked in this case. Where is the evidence that many fraudsters manage to bypass the checks?

 

[GC_Konstantin]

The suspected fraudster in this thread got detected so it seems to me the verification process worked in this case. Where is the evidence that many fraudsters manage to bypass the checks?

Why do you say so ? In my view the suspected fraudster become even more suspicious, and got banned from this forum. He hasn't 100% been proved guilty (although there is serious indication indeed that things may be sketchy). Yet, not proved.

Think it this way: if there was no identity theft (btw, hard to find a case of identity theft and then the fraudster to make a deposit / deposits at online casinos -- why would anyone do that ?), but only a collaboration between two persons instead, the fraudster will more than likely get in contact with the person whose details were used to claim (and split) the money in court. I think it is quite obviously ! -- How then will be proved guilty ? Just because of this thread ? I highly doubt !

Probably the casino may have some more details to prove it, it is possible if the fraudster left traces. But, it may also not be the case (just remember that her account was initially re-opened before winning the 80k after it was been initially closed -- there is the proof that the verification process didn't worked as supposed to work at all). So who knows what will happen with this case in the end !

If you read enough complaint reports, the evidence that many fraudsters manage to bypass the standard checks will become obvious to you too. I also explained few posts above why wouldn't be hard to bypass the process in place as it is right now.

 

[miksaxxx]

She has answered in Finnish forum after ban and is now waiting answer from MGA and Ecogra. After that she/he , will give more info.

 

[Tirilej]

She has answered in Finnish forum after ban and is now waiting answer from MGA and Ecogra. After that she/he , will give more info.

That was odd since she already have told in this thread that MGA ruled in the favour of the casino.
I hope you're not buying that the person claim to be a she?

 

[miksaxxx]

That was odd since she already have told in this thread that MGA ruled in the favour of the casino.
I hope you're not buying that the person claim to be a she?

I dont know what to believe . In Finnish gaming forum : She sayed that , him used middle name and that is the problem.

I know many who uses middle name allmost everythink, so it can be true / or not.. And allmost allways they try to use it in official forms.. It could mess up everything.

She wroted wrong about handling.. " maybe " , MGA is handling the case.


She is maybe real person or not . Still i wonder why she dont even click that FB page. ?

 

[Tirilej]

I dont know what to believe . In Finnish gaming forum : She sayed that , him used middle name and that is the problem.

I know many who uses middle name allmost everythink, so it can be true / or not.. And allmost allways they true to use it in official forms.. It could mess up everything.

She wroted wrong about handling.. " maybe " , MGA is handling the case.


She is maybe real person or not . Still i wonder why she dont even click that FB page. ?

Exactly. The thing about Facebook is a good enough proof to me...and what she said here was that she had no clue why they denied her the winning because they refused to tell her.

 

[bebo67]

That was odd since she already have told in this thread that MGA ruled in the favour of the casino.
I hope you're not buying that the person claim to be a she?

She/ he/ it said that MGA ruled in favor of casinos from what she read online. It wasn;t for this case. The OP said after reading everything about MGA, she/he/it wasn't likely to have this case favored either.

 

[Tirilej]

She/ he/ it said that MGA ruled in favor of casinos from what she read online. It wasn;t for this case. The OP said after reading everything about MGA, she/he/it wasn't likely to have this case favored either.

Then he/she must have changed that post because that is what they said.

I don't really care anymore. I'm happy if this person go through both MGA and Ecogra since the casino will show them the proof they have.
It's good for the casino too, and I doubt it's just about some middle name.

 

[bebo67]

She/ he/ it said that MGA ruled in favor of casinos from what she read online. It wasn;t for this case. The OP said after reading everything about MGA, she/he/it wasn't likely to have this case favored either.

What is her facebook page?

 

[Tirilej]

What is her facebook page?

There is just one person with that name and her setting is set so she don't see any messages, if she doesn't look for them. She don't respond.

 

[bebo67]

There is just one person with that name and her setting is set so she don't see any messages, if she doesn't look for them. She don't respond.

Bryan removed the name, so I can't see it

 

[Tirilej]

Bryan removed the name, so I can't see it

Ok, I'll send it to you in private

 

[bebo67]

Hey. I know you don't know me, but Im just checking to see if things are on the up and up. We had a girl show up at

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, saying that they were you. If this is indeed you, then please let me know, and if not, then you have been part of an identity fraud. This is real. Please get back to me. Thanks

How are you connected with that website to know this?
Jennifer
Im a senior member
Are you her that came in?

The profile on there is not mine and I have sent an email through the websites form to them about it
I have never even heard of that website - I have gotten a couple of messages about this now and I’m not sure what this means
Jennifer
Ok. Hang tight. I will send this message to the websites owner. Hus name is Bryan
His*
He will have all the information that you need to contact the police
I will get back to you shortly

How did you get my fb?
Jennifer
The person used your name
everything

What made it seem like it could be a fraud?

Jennifer
I will let Bryan explain everything to you in detail.

She got back to me right away @Casinomeister
Type a message...

 

[bebo67]

She wants to know how you will get ahold of her and how she will know you are legit

 

[Tirilej]

Well done bebo. Now we just have to wait and see what this will lead to.

 

[bebo67]

Just giving heads up. I talked to the real person and it appears she is a victim o

Well done bebo. Now we just have to wait and see what this will lead to.

I promised her that Bryan will contact her tomorrow with all the details of the fraudster. She is scared. Poor thing.

 

[GC_Konstantin]

...The profile on there is not mine and I have sent an email through the websites form to them about it
I have never even heard of that website - I have gotten a couple of messages about this now and I’m not sure what this means
Jennifer
Ok. Hang tight. I will send this message to the websites owner. His name is Bryan
He will have all the information that you need to contact the police...

I guess that is the info (proof) we were all looking for ! Great job, Bebo ! I think that finding will solve this case and put it to rest.

However, I can not stop wondering: how that fraudster was hoping to withdraw any money at all ? Considering that Betway does not even have BTC withdrawals ! (Also isn't that easy either.)
From what I know, after identity theft, nobody goes to deposit the funds in a casino but usually buy some stuff. My initial thought was that there was collaboration but it seems there was identity theft. Just WOW !

 

[NeverLucky]

I guess that is the info (proof) we were all looking for ! Great job, Bebo ! I think that finding will solve this case and put it to rest.

However, I can not stop wondering: how that fraudster was hoping to withdraw any money at all ? Considering that Betway does not even have BTC withdrawals ! (Also isn't that easy either.)
From what I know, after identity theft, nobody goes to deposit the funds in a casino but usually buy some stuff. My initial thought was that there was collaboration but it seems there was identity theft. Just WOW !

Perhaps the fraudster opened new (Bank?) accounts in her Name, i hope not as i can only imagine in what kind of mess that would leave the Person affected by the ID theft but im guessing its a possibility...

 

[brianmon]

I guess that is the info (proof) we were all looking for ! Great job, Bebo ! I think that finding will solve this case and put it to rest.

However, I can not stop wondering: how that fraudster was hoping to withdraw any money at all ? Considering that Betway does not even have BTC withdrawals ! (Also isn't that easy either.)
From what I know, after identity theft, nobody goes to deposit the funds in a casino but usually buy some stuff. My initial thought was that there was collaboration but it seems there was identity theft. Just WOW !

In the OP Neteller was mentioned - "Then i made 500€ withdraw (8.5.2018) to my Neteller." which was obviously some kind of 'test withdrawal'

I don't remember any mention of BTC anywhere in the thread.

 

[The Dude]

Hey. I know you don't know me, but Im just checking to see if things are on the up and up. We had a girl show up at

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, saying that they were you. If this is indeed you, then please let me know, and if not, then you have been part of an identity fraud. This is real. Please get back to me. Thanks

..

You gave her the wrong URL lol.

 

[bebo67]

You gave her the wrong URL lol.

Lol. I gave her the thread url and she read the thread. Please facebook her. She is waiting to hear from you and very anxious.

 

[Slottery]

If i can recall OP:s name, it's not most uncommon name in Finland google tells and also fact that many have two first names and are using second one is nothing unusual, wouldn't maybe advise person who is sharing same name than OP to claim police report if not sure that identity is used, same DOB, social security number in ID, address etc.... Person used on OP:s account can really be existing if been providing KYC docs even though is not person who played these game rounds which seem to be quite obvious, but just using name John Smith (or what ever) fraudulently, don't maybe mean that all John Smiths on the planet would have been victims of identity theft, if it's only name what is matching.

Ps. I'm not OP