BetVoyager.com - any opinion?

[SlotMonster]

<div class="bbWrapper">Hello, members <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/smile.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> <br /> Flying on WWW i found one unknown (for me) casino - BetVoyager. So could anyone please tell me about this casino? Which software they use? <br /> It looks &quot;not bad&quot;, visual, of course. And they have &quot;Randomness Control&quot; option based on SHA-256 algorithm! <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/eek2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":eek2:" title="Eek2 :eek2:" data-shortname=":eek2:" /><br /> Any opinions? Want to try to play with.<br /> <br /> P.S. Using only MB and E-Gold payment methods is no-good <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/redface.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":oops:" title="Oops! :oops:" data-shortname=":oops:" /><br /> <br /> Edit: (from their site) Within a 24-hour period, any sum up to €1000 in the e-gold system take place automatically. Hmmmm...</div>

 

[dariobrasil]

<div class="bbWrapper">from the site:<br /> October 3, 2007 BetVoyager Casino opens today. Good luck!<br /> <br /> Very new casino</div>

 

[SlotMonster]

<div class="bbWrapper">It would be right thing to have casino rep here<br /> I tried this casino number of times - very nice...let&#039;s see...let&#039;s see...</div>

 

[Zoozie]

<div class="bbWrapper">I can see from the screenshots that I have never played on that casino software platform before. I doubt it is new, so it is probably one of the<br /> old rogue ones. <br /> <br /> The JoB VP is not full paytable but the worst is that all RF only pay 1250 coins<br /> at bet 5, it does not give the normal 4000 coins.<br /> <br /> I would not deposit there unless I had a more information about it.</div>

 

[satchmo]

<div class="bbWrapper">Hmmm the rendering reminds me of some Russian artist, who made the graphis to some casinos that resides in the dark corner of the web.<br /> <br /> Im not sure have to check my oldie links.<br /> Ill get back, when ifind them.<br /> <br /> <br /> Satchmo the man the myth the working class heo......</div>

 

[ugaboga]

<div class="bbWrapper">Not enough info to be honest... <b>Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) </b><br /> <br /> Maybe Casinomeister will know more? Software looks interesting tho.</div>

 

[SlotMonster]

<div class="bbWrapper"><b>Randomness Control</b><br /> <br /> So, what about Randomnes Control? Makes sense?</div>

 

[Alexandre]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="SlotMonster" data-source="post: 182307" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=182307" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-182307">SlotMonster said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It was long time ago...but it&#039;s still interesting...don&#039;t you think so? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> It looks like randomness control is your hobby.<br /> Don&#039;t you remember then that the software behind BetVoyager is the very same that Hibet.ru was using before it went down ?<br /> I&#039;m asking that because you&#039;ve posted on the <a href="https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/hibet-casino.9925/" class="link link--internal">Hibet thread</a> just 2 months ago, trying to give a 2nd life to a thread which died 18 months ago.<br /> To be honest, I&#039;m quiet interested by the SHA-256 checksum but the fact that it&#039;s implemented by BetVoyager, a new borned egaming company located in the Netherlands Antilles, using the name of a another egaming company which is quite famous (<b>Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) </b> aka <a href="http://www.jackpotjoy.com/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">JackpotJoy</a>) and powered by the same software which was developed by a dead Russian online casino doesn&#039;t look very serious.<br /> What do you think ?</div>

 

[SlotMonster]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="Alexandre" data-source="post: 193221" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=193221" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-193221">Alexandre said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What do you think ? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> You want to know what I think? Well, ok. I&#039;ll tell you. <br /> <br /> As you know, Hibet.ru was closed due to stupid russian law, which enforce to close all casinos (and online too!) registered in Rus Federation. Russians are going to create 4 gamezones (smthng like russian Las-Vegas).<br /> So it wasn&#039;t cause of illegal activity, I mean closing Hibet.ru. They just followed letter of the law. And Hibet interested me as casino which FIRST included RC in all games! And it doesn&#039;t mean (for me) in which country they are registered! <br /> And Yes, I think that including RC in all games will stop all complaints like &quot;Oooh, I busted, this stupid SW cheats me!&quot;<br /> And Yes, I tried to attract your attention to this thread because you, like kids, cannot (or just don&#039;t want) see evident advantage of RC. Just imagine that! You will be able to CONTROL the game! You won&#039;t be just passive players! I cannot believe that it&#039;s insufficient to demand including RC in all games (and in all casinos!)! <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/eek2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":eek2:" title="Eek2 :eek2:" data-shortname=":eek2:" /></div>

 

[happygobrokey]

<div class="bbWrapper">what is randomness control?<br /> <br /> sounds like an oxymoron.<br /> <br /> <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/thumbsup.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":thumbsup:" title="Thumbsup :thumbsup:" data-shortname=":thumbsup:" /></div>

 

[Casinomeister]

<div class="bbWrapper">I would apply the &quot;Spot the Rogue&quot; excercise to this:<br /> <a href="https://www.casinomeister.com/how-to/spot-a-rogue/" class="link link--internal">https://www.casinomeister.com/how-to/spot-a-rogue/</a><br /> <br /> and go from there. What I don&#039;t like is the similarity in software provider names:<br /> <br /> Gamesys NV <br /> <b>Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) </b><br /> <br /> and<br /> <br /> Gamesys Group <br /> <b>Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) </b><br /> <br /> This is a red flag for me, as well as the connections to any business east of the Oder river <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/grin.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /></div>

 

[SlotMonster]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="Casinomeister" data-source="post: 193528" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=193528" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-193528">Casinomeister said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> as well as the connections to any business east of the Oder river <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/grin.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> It sounds very...biassed...</div>

 

[Alexandre]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="Alexandre" data-source="post: 193221" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=193221" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-193221">Alexandre said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> but the fact that it&#039;s using the name of a another egaming company which is quite famous (<b>Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) </b> aka <a href="http://www.jackpotjoy.com/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">JackpotJoy</a>) and powered by the same software which was developed by a dead Russian online casino doesn&#039;t look very serious. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="Casinomeister" data-source="post: 193528" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=193528" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-193528">Casinomeister said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What I don&#039;t like is the similarity in software provider names:<br /> Gamesys NV <br /> <b>Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) </b><br /> and<br /> Gamesys Group <br /> <b>Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) </b><br /> This is a red flag for me, as well as the connections to any business east of the Oder river <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/grin.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Being paraphrased by the Meister fills me with joy and brings me the feeling of social recognition I was always waiting for because I deserve it more than anyone else <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/grin.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /><br /> That said, I have to confess that Im a bit disappointed by the answer of SlotMonster.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="SlotMonster" data-source="post: 193500" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=193500" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-193500">SlotMonster said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> And Hibet interested me as casino which FIRST included RC in all games! <br /> And Yes, I tried to attract your attention to this thread </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> So you clearly say that you know Hibets software and its specificity, as its the FIRST included RC in all games!<br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="SlotMonster" data-source="post: 193054" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=193054" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-193054">SlotMonster said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Flying on WWW <b>i found one unknown (for me) casino</b> - BetVoyager. So could anyone please tell me about this casino? <b>Which software they use?</b> <br /> It looks &quot;not bad&quot;, visual, of course. And they have &quot;Randomness Control&quot; option based on SHA-256 algorithm! <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/eek2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":eek2:" title="Eek2 :eek2:" data-shortname=":eek2:" /><br /> Any opinions? Want to try to play with. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> So why did you start this thread asking which software was using this unknown casino ?<br /> Ive seen Hibets software once and I could recognize it on the fly when I saw BetVoyager.<br /> It looks very sneaky.and this even more: Want to try to play with.<br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="SlotMonster" data-source="post: 193500" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=193500" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-193500">SlotMonster said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> As you know, Hibet.ru was closed due to stupid russian law, which enforce to close all casinos (and online too!) registered in Rus Federation. Russians are going to create 4 gamezones (smthng like russian Las-Vegas).<br /> So it wasn&#039;t cause of illegal activity, I mean closing Hibet.ru. They just followed letter of the law. And Hibet interested me as casino which FIRST included RC in all games! And it doesn&#039;t mean (for me) in which country they are registered! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Sorry, but I have no information about the reasons which forced Hibet.ru to close, so dont assume I know.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="SlotMonster" data-source="post: 193500" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=193500" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-193500">SlotMonster said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> And Yes, I think that including RC in all games will stop all complaints like &quot;Oooh, I busted, this stupid SW cheats me!&quot;<br /> And Yes, I tried to attract your attention to this thread because you, like kids, cannot (or just don&#039;t want) see evident advantage of RC. Just imagine that! You will be able to CONTROL the game! You won&#039;t be just passive players! I cannot believe that it&#039;s insufficient to demand including RC in all games (and in all casinos!)! <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/eek2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":eek2:" title="Eek2 :eek2:" data-shortname=":eek2:" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Thats a passionate speech about RC, SHA-256 checksum or whatever you want to call it, which remembers me another one, performed by Chris Crocker.<br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eOSDRNOLp4" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eOSDRNOLp4</a><br /> I dont understand your reaction especially because Ive said before that To be honest, I&#039;m quiet interested by the SHA-256 checksum<br /> But as thelawnet explained it before in the Hibet thread, even if its an interesting option to study, it doesnt prevent the player from casino cheating<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="thelawnet" data-source="post: 78229" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=78229" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-78229">thelawnet said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What does this mean? <br /> Well, it means that the cards were determined before the deck was shuffled. This means that the casino cannot be dealing seconds.<br /> This does not mean that they are not cheating: for instance, you could make the player&#039;s first card disproportionately likely to be a six. In other words: if you arrange the deck in a way that is deterimental to the player, then there is no protection. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote></div>

 

[SlotMonster]

<div class="bbWrapper"><b>Time to answer...</b><br /> <br /> (quote) So you clearly say that you know Hibet’s software and its specificity, as it’s the “FIRST included RC in all games!”<br /> Yes, you right, I knew Hibet&#039;s specificity, and I found it very impressive.<br /> <br /> (quote) So why did you start this thread asking which software was using this unknown casino ?<br /> Cause I still don&#039;t know which software they use. All I know that Hibet used self-made SW. <br /> And I thought that BV bought Hibet&#039;s SW (just try to remember MG casinos - they all look alike). That&#039;s why I asked<br /> you to make it clear for me!<br /> <br /> (quote) It looks very sneaky…and this even more: “Want to try to play with.”<br /> And what&#039;s so bad? I still cannot understand your words, sorry. When new casino (even if this casino <br /> use well-known SW) heave in sight - they are unknown, don&#039;t you think so? You don&#039;t know anything about it<br /> f.e. about owner, SW, license, games, payouts, CS, etc. So this casino is still unknown.<br /> <br /> (quote) Sorry, but I have no information about the reasons which forced Hibet.ru to close, so don’t assume I know.<br /> NP. Just wanted to make it clear.<br /> <br /> (quote) That’s a passionate speech about RC<br /> Agree <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/smile.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> <br /> <br /> And another. I will try to give more detailed explanation about Randomness Control. First of all, I must say that it <br /> be better to call it &quot;Invariability Control&quot;. Many people (not only in Meisterland) think, that many online-casinos <br /> are able to change game results according to player&#039;s bets (say, you placed bet on RED --&gt; they can change result, and it <br /> will be BLACK). Or, let&#039;s say, you have 20 on BJ, and Dealer have 6. some tricks with SW --&gt; and Dealer receive 10, and then<br /> 5 = 21, and you busted. So, the purpose of Randomness(Invariability) Control is to give to player unanswerable proof that<br /> game results weren&#039;t changed DURING THE GAME! So, if you want to compare checksum (which will show you what you must to <br /> receive) with game results (what you actually received) and results will be identical, f.e. numbers on Roulette --&gt; it will<br /> proof that you received exactly the same result, and casino didn&#039;t changed numbers during the game session.<br /> Hope, it was clear. And &quot;please feel free to contact me if any questiuon&quot; (CS of I-don&#039;t-remember-which-casino) <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/grin.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /></div>

 

[Casinomeister]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="SlotMonster" data-source="post: 193556" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=193556" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-193556">SlotMonster said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It sounds very...biassed... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Maybe so, but it serves me well <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/grin.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /></div>

 

[hedges]

<div class="bbWrapper">so the verdict is? randomness control is a kind of cool gimmick, but would you really want to use it on every hand? that&#039;s a lot of cutting and pasting.</div>

 

[SlotMonster]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="hedges" data-source="post: 202621" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=202621" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-202621">hedges said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> would you really want to use it on every hand? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> You do not need to use it in EVERY hand. f.e. on Roulette I can create sequence of 60 numbers (with one checksum), then play these numbers, and then see then all at once <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/smile.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="hedges" data-source="post: 202621" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=202621" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-202621">hedges said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> that&#039;s a lot of cutting and pasting </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Agree, but you can check the checksum for selected hands (f.e. if you lose), not for every <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/wink.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /></div>

 

[hedges]

<div class="bbWrapper"><b>good point</b><br /> <br /> i&#039;m a little embrassed to admit that never occurred to me. thanks for the pointer. what about the no house edge promise? is that a common promotion? i assume there&#039;s no way to check that it&#039;s for real, even with RC.</div>

 

[SlotMonster]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="hedges" data-source="post: 203325" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=203325" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-203325">hedges said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> what about the no house edge promise? is that a common promotion? i assume there&#039;s no way to check that it&#039;s for real, even with RC. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I think it makes sense to offer this promo <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/smile.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> And yes, you cannot check this <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/smile.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></div>

 

[hedges]

<div class="bbWrapper"><b>RC, baby, RC</b><br /> <br /> maybe i&#039;m naive, but i kinda like the rc function. i mean, until the nevada gaming commission starts regulating online gambling <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/rolleyes.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />, it&#039;s not like we can ever be 100% on any internet casino. at least rc lets you take verification into your own hands. <br /> on the other hand, maybe it&#039;s just because i&#039;ve had pretty decent luck at betvoyager (at least with the low-stakes bets that i make) that i&#039;m favorably disposed to the site.</div>

 

[SlotMonster]

<div class="bbWrapper">I always told that RC is the best option to check that hands had been dealt to you hadn&#039;t been changed while you was playing <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/smile.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></div>

 

[littlebit]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="Casinomeister" data-source="post: 193858" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=193858" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-193858">Casinomeister said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Maybe so, but it serves me well <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/grin.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> You gotta love it <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/lolup.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lolup:" title="LOL up :lolup:" data-shortname=":lolup:" /></div>

 

[hedges]

<div class="bbWrapper"><b>no house edge on slots?</b><br /> <br /> the no house edge gimmick seems pretty easy to calculate on games like roulette - they just increase the payout - but can anyone explain how the concept works in slots? what i really mean is, is there any way that a user can check the payout tables or something to confirm that there is, in fact, no house edge? slotmonster, you seem to have all the answers...</div>

 

[SlotMonster]

<div class="bbWrapper">I asked the support about your question. I think the answer will be given soon <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/smile.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></div>

 

[SlotMonster]

<div class="bbWrapper"><b>Response from BV</b><br /> <br /> They were pretty good with speed of answer <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/smile.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Dear, *****!<br /> <br /> Thank you for contacting Betvoyager.<br /> <br /> We have increased payouts for some combinations for Slots with No House edge.<br /> You can calculate the payout percentage for each Slots using the reels layouts and paytables (the reels layouts is in game rules and paytables is in game module). <br /> <br /> Best regards, <br /> Betvoyager Support team!</div>