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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Seneka, Oct 26, 2005.

    Oct 26, 2005
  1. Seneka

    Seneka Dormant account

    Location:
    Russia
    Hello!

    I'am beginner on this forum. Could you tell me about respectable casinos in the World?

    And what are you thinking about this new casino - hibet.ru

    Thank you
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 26, 2005
  2. Oct 26, 2005
  3. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Hi Seneka,

    Welcome to the forum. Please do not post affiliate tags in the general discussion areas. It's a quick and easy way to become banned. I don't mind you asking questions about a particular casino - but to use this forum to generate profits is forbidden unless you post an ad in the "Strictly Commercial" section. Thank you.
     
  4. Oct 26, 2005
  5. Seneka

    Seneka Dormant account

    Location:
    Russia
    Ok. Thank you.

    Tell me please. How must I formulate the question to know the opinion of users about particular casino? And can I post this theme in "Online casinos"?

    Best regards
     
  6. Oct 26, 2005
  7. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Well you've already asked. But to ask a question about a particular casino - and it's linked with an affiliate tag is just plain bullshit.

    As for online casinos located in the Russian Federation? I don't trust them, and I would advise players not to patronize them.

    So what is your relationship with the casino?
     
  8. Oct 27, 2005
  9. YuraK

    YuraK Webmaster webmeister

    Occupation:
    webmaster
    Location:
    Russia
    Bryan, I'd like to tell that we have number of good casinos in Russia. I myself and most of the players trust 3-4 casinos like Goldfishka, Loto.ru, Hibet and Casino Grand. But we have lots of scam too :(.
     
  10. Oct 27, 2005
  11. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Goldfishka is related to the Fortune Lounge group. I know the operator, and it's about the only one I would deal with. I'm not sure about the rest. I'd have to hear some convincing arguments on why they should be trusted. Sure, they may be great and trustworthy - but I'd like to know why. What safeguards the players have, what sort of background checks are made on the operators, what software are they running etc.
     
  12. Oct 27, 2005
  13. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    I've been trying to locate this Hibet casino to have a look at it for the past week or so - have you got a url for it? Who's software?
     
  14. Oct 27, 2005
  15. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Ask and you shall receive:

    Russian
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    English
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    domain: HIBET.RU
    type: CORPORATE
    nserver: ns.rebsys.ru.
    nserver: ns2.rebsys.ru.
    nserver: ns.pref.ru.
    nserver: ns4.nic.ru.
    state: REGISTERED, DELEGATED
    org: Joint Stock Company BetLine
    phone: +7 095 9808195
    e-mail: This email is not visible to you.
    e-mail: This email is not visible to you.
    registrar: RUCENTER-REG-RIPN
    created: 2004.03.17
    paid-till: 2006.03.17
    source: TC-RIPN

    217.74.32.45 (the A record for HIBET.RU).

    Location: Russian Federation (high) [City: Moscow, Moskva]

    About hibet.ru Casino
    You must register/login in order to see the link.
    We are happy to offer 24-hour customer support at: +7 (095) 980-81-95/96.

    Hibet.ru Casino operates under license № 005992, granted by the Federal Agency of Physical Culture, Sports and Tourism of the Russian Federation on November 10, 2004.

    Players can play with either play or real money. We offer our players the following games:

    Roulette
    European Blackjack
    American Blackjack
    Double Exposure Blackjack
    Russian Poker
    Oasis Poker
    6 Card Poker 1-2-5
    Casino Slots
    Sea Journey Slots
    Fortune Bell Slots
    Airplanes Slots
    Seven Wonders of the World Slots
    Wheel of Fortune, hibet.ru version
    Catch a Wave
    Punto Banco
    Casino War


    I did a google search to try and identify the software developer for "Sea Journey Slots" - no results except for this casino.

    Partner Programs
    For Web Masters
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    If you have a popular website (with not less than 1000 unique visitors per day, according to an open networking counter), we invite you to place a Hibet Casino banner of a type and standard acceptable to you. If after a two-week period our audit shows efficient distribution, comparable with industry standards in banner networks, we will be prepared to make a direct long-term mutually beneficial advertising contract. Our offer does not extend to pornographic or scandalous websites, or to websites that target children under the age of 18.

    So you put their banners up, and if you deliver - they will consider making a deal. This will become a popular trend I'm sure. :rolleyes:

    Alexa info:
    Site Stats for hibet.ru:
    Traffic Rank for hibet.ru: 4,370,183 (down 688,929)
    Other sites that link to this site: No Data
    Online Since: 17-Mar-2004

    Contact Info for hibet.ru:

    Hibet.ru
    +7 095 9808195
    This email is not visible to you.
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    My Russian is not good at all - but Betline.ru is linked to hibet.ru and You must register/login in order to see the link.

    A brief overview shows that this casino is licensed and operated in the the Russan Federation. The overall layout is okay. The English translation is good - which is reassuring. I can't identify the software, but it looks familiar. I'm guessing it's developed in-house. I should kindly contact their support and ask.
     
  16. Oct 27, 2005
  17. YuraK

    YuraK Webmaster webmeister

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    They have proprietary software...
    I made a post some time ago about honesty guarantees, they have such (and other mentioned casinos too).
    I woul recommend to read You must register/login in order to see the link.
    IMHO it gives about 100% randomness and honesty guaranty.
     
  18. Oct 28, 2005
  19. Seneka

    Seneka Dormant account

    Location:
    Russia
    Casinomeister

    Did you ever hear about algoritm MD5, which guarantees an invariance of in advance given sequence of numbers on roulette?
     
  20. Oct 28, 2005
  21. shakingspear

    shakingspear Dormant account

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    Editor
    Location:
    Jersey
    I haven't been here long, but that's the best question I've ever read.
     
  22. Oct 28, 2005
  23. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Yes, I've heard of MD5. There are logos displayed at the casino touting this.

    I emailed support yesterday - so far, no answer back.
     
  24. Oct 29, 2005
  25. thelawnet

    thelawnet Dormant account

    Occupation:
    programmer
    Location:
    UK
    MD5 is a hashing function.

    Basically the principle between any hashing function is that if you pass a message:

    e.g.,

    Hello Bryan

    through that hashing function it generates a hash, in this case:

    8ed03a566c82a4f5d6a06f159b813179

    This is a one-way function, which means that it is impossible to go from the hash back to the message. A key characteristic of it is that it is computationally infeasible to create a message to match a given hash, and moreover that if you change a single byte in the message, the hash will change completely.

    So the hash for

    Hello bryan is

    eece70751d52bf0e715de9c49302875a

    In this case, they say that you can get the md5 hash before the cards are dealt. I had a look, I pressed the Md5 button, and got the following hash (this is on free play)

    d33fbea24d3dbaf3f3731fed023204ec

    I played the hand, and then went back, and it gave me the deck ordering, plus a code word

    deck = s8, c6, c7, c2, dA, s6, dJ, hK, sJ, d9, h2, c7, h3, h2, d2, d7, s10, d5, sJ, d10, d9, hJ, s10, d2, cA, h4, d5, c4, d3, dJ, hK, d2, hQ, d8, h5, c3, h2, hQ, d6, s2, dK, d4, hA, c10, hA, h6, d10, c4, d6, hK, sQ, h4, s9, s3, d2, d8, s5, sQ, s5, hA, cQ, dQ, c3, d5, sJ, h9, h9, s4, s8, h8, h7, s7, d5, h8, d4, sQ, dA, cK, c8, c2, s2, cJ, c5, h5, d3, sK, hK, s3, h2, hJ, d10, cQ, s4, c10, cK, s5, s9, d9, dJ, hK, c10, s6, cK, h9, d3, h6, dK, s8, dJ, c8, cA, d3, d6, c9, c2, s4, c4, cJ, h7, s2, s8, d6, sQ, hJ, sQ, dQ, h10, s6, dK, cK, dQ, sK, c9, c6, s6, c5, h3, c9, h5, cJ, d4, h8, c8, hQ, hK, d9, h5, dK, h2, s10, c3, cA, h6, h4, dJ, h3, sA, cJ, cJ, s4, s5, d4, d4, c9, h5, cQ, h10, hQ, h4, s8, s9, s10, hA, s6, h9, s3, dQ, sK, d7, c8, d8, sK, d7, s5, h8, h2, h3, sK, c4, h8, s2, d7, d2, sJ, cQ, dA, d8, dA, d10, h4, s9, d7, s10, c7, d3, c5, sJ, c9, d9, c5, c10, cJ, s5, c5, dA, d10, h3, cK, h6, dQ, sQ, cA, c6, s2, s7, hJ, s4, dK, cK, s4, sA, h6, c8, c10, hA, dA, s7, s3, s10, cA, h8, cA, d8, c7, c6, d5, d9, c6, c3, h9, hJ, dJ, h10, s9, s7, c7, c2, dQ, c8, sA, s7, d8, h6, d5, h4, c3, c5, h7, hQ, c9, cQ, sA, h9, d10, s8, h10, d2, d7, d3, sA, sJ, hJ, d4, h5, dK, h10, h10, d6, s6, s3, hQ, h7, sK, c4, h7, c2, s3, c7, s7, c2, c10, h7, s2, c3, c6, cQ, hA, h3, d6, s9, sA, c4; server code word = FEmgGE6DZ88E56s5CEYfrJhht4Ga3tQM

    (the random code word completely removes any chance of any brute force attack on the hash)

    I pasted that into here: You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Sure enough the MD5 hash comes back: d33fbea24d3dbaf3f3731fed023204ec

    as stated before the hand

    What does this mean?

    Well, it means that the cards were determined before the deck was shuffled. This means that the casino cannot be dealing seconds.

    This does not mean that they are not cheating: for instance, you could make the player's first card disproportionately likely to be a six. In other words: if you arrange the deck in a way that is deterimental to the player, then there is no protection.

    They state that you can also cut the deck, which would make this less likely; however, I could not get the software to come up in English so couldn't work out how to get this to happen (the MD5 hash did not change).

    So I did not prove to myself that the cards were fair with 100% certainty, and given that it is a Russian casino, the presumption is that it is NOT fair.

    Anyway, it's quite a nice idea, and it is very possible they are legit, but having spoken to some Russian guys about the casino business, I would not advise using this or any other Russian casino without extreme evidence to the contrary.
     
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  26. Oct 30, 2005
  27. YuraK

    YuraK Webmaster webmeister

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    webmaster
    Location:
    Russia
    thelawnet your explanation is good :).
    About cutting - you tell to cut 5 cards then dealing will start from card 6 of the generated deck (s6 in your example). You can also pick up cards from the deck in any order, e.g. you can tell to deal card no. 10, then 5th, 21st ,54th, 23rd etc... Initial deck and MD5 signature remains unchanged. It makes really useless non-random deck generation.
    You probably talked about Russian market some time ago, it become better each year...
     
  28. Oct 31, 2005
  29. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Thanks thelawnet for the explanation!

    Email came in over the weekend:

    Dear Mr. Bailey,

    We appologize for the delay with the answer. The game software of hibet.ru
    Casino is being designed by Betline, CJSC.

    Good luck!

    Best regards,
    Administration of hibet.ru Casino

    Phone (095) 980-81-95
    Feedback
    You must register/login in order to see the link.


    So I'm assuming it's in-house.
     
  30. Nov 1, 2005
  31. Seneka

    Seneka Dormant account

    Location:
    Russia
    Could anybody tell me - why MD5 algoritm is not popular in European and American casinos?

    Are there any casinos which use MD5 except for Russia?
     
  32. Aug 20, 2007
  33. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

    Occupation:
    Manager
    Location:
    Somewhere in eternity
    It was long time ago...but it's still interesting...don't you think so?
     

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