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BetterValueCasino website update

Thank goodness for that, website all sorted and working again as of about an hour ago.

Access to demo mode live roulette, not for real money, is now working fine. If you'd like access please send an email or telephone (details given on the website front page), and in the case of emails, we'll normally respond within an hour with the link to the live roulette which you can then use whenever you want (account pre-registration is not required to use demo service, you just need to be over 18 years old when from the UK).

Apart from that, we've now got to complete getting everything ready for December. Looking forward to then, I'll answer any questions in the meantime, will log in regularly.
 
What could go wrong?

I think a lot could go wrong if not carefully prepared, set up and then run! But of Shafted points, as I posted before, I'm not a problem gambler - I stopped gambling because I was finding the bias towards the casinos was much too high., I am registered with GAMSTOP and we don't apply for the UK gambling license which can take up to 16 weeks for approval, until the end of this month. I've heard about a company which raised $50 million investment just a couple of years ago, they closed without success with a lot of money spent on marketing administration, brand ambassadors etc. Then other gambling operators have closed where their monthly minimum costs to suppliers have exceeded their capital resources where they haven't secured enough customers. Sometimes companies do not appear to have had sufficient resources to pay out big wins. A liquidity float of substantial amount is essential, in our case we think very important as the RTP needs to be as high as possible.
 
I think a lot could go wrong if not carefully prepared, set up and then run! But of Shafted points, as I posted before, I'm not a problem gambler - I stopped gambling because I was finding the bias towards the casinos was much too high., I am registered with GAMSTOP and we don't apply for the UK gambling license which can take up to 16 weeks for approval, until the end of this month. I've heard about a company which raised $50 million investment just a couple of years ago, they closed without success with a lot of money spent on marketing administration, brand ambassadors etc. Then other gambling operators have closed where their monthly minimum costs to suppliers have exceeded their capital resources where they haven't secured enough customers. Sometimes companies do not appear to have had sufficient resources to pay out big wins. A liquidity float of substantial amount is essential, in our case we think very important as the RTP needs to be as high as possible.
I have to say that if only the big bookmaker sites such as Bet365 can offer the highest RTP,with their billions of pounds/dollars of turnover.How do you,a self confessed bedroom start up,expect to compete with the likes of them? I mean,even Lottomart and LandL casinos which are very popular and well used on here cannot offer maximum RTPs on a lot of their slots either. I am genuinely interested to see how this turns out.
 
Hi Johnnymcc1966, thanks for the post - Bet365 not only has a very high turnover, their net profits are vast too. I met with a medium-scale slot games provider company CEO in February and I explained we wanted to run the RTP as high as possible. He too questioned how we would "make any money". However, running games at higher RTPs not only makes the chances of the customers being happy more often, it means games can be played for longer if players so wish.

A trouble with gambling is that players are not simply playing to be entertained with flashing lights and graphics, they really do wish to make a profit. But the gambling companies want to make high profits too! I believe higher return to player is the way to go, far more chance of word-of-mouth recommendation to friends, much less chance of customer churn (customers leaving).

True the business is being prepared in a room adjacent to bedroom! We won't run from a residential property though, we'll be considering medium sized unit at the local industrial estate.

In answer to your question, we expect to be able to compete well because our gross margins compared to Bet365 will be much less, our costs will be less too. Gaming duty is high in the UK, but remember it's based on gross gaming profits rather than turnover.

Following your previous post regarding, I have seen Tombola slots and spoken to people who have sometimes won small jackpots with them. There is a much higher chance of customer satisfaction with higher RTP. I've heard that Lottomart and L&L casinos are doing a good job. Our own casino is being prepared with as much as possible done in-house, so that more of the proportion of the income can be paid out to players.
 
Hi Johnnymcc1966, thanks for the post - Bet365 not only has a very high turnover, their net profits are vast too. I met with a medium-scale slot games provider company CEO in February and I explained we wanted to run the RTP as high as possible. He too questioned how we would "make any money". However, running games at higher RTPs not only makes the chances of the customers being happy more often, it means games can be played for longer if players so wish.

A trouble with gambling is that players are not simply playing to be entertained with flashing lights and graphics, they really do wish to make a profit. But the gambling companies want to make high profits too! I believe higher return to player is the way to go, far more chance of word-of-mouth recommendation to friends, much less chance of customer churn (customers leaving).

True the business is being prepared in a room adjacent to bedroom! We won't run from a residential property though, we'll be considering medium sized unit at the local industrial estate.

In answer to your question, we expect to be able to compete well because our gross margins compared to Bet365 will be much less, our costs will be less too. Gaming duty is high in the UK, but remember it's based on gross gaming profits rather than turnover.

Following your previous post regarding, I have seen Tombola slots and spoken to people who have sometimes won small jackpots with them. There is a much higher chance of customer satisfaction with higher RTP. I've heard that Lottomart and L&L casinos are doing a good job. Our own casino is being prepared with as much as possible done in-house, so that more of the proportion of the income can be paid out to players.
I sincerely wish you well and hope it all comes good.
 
Hello! I am pleased to update you today with what's happening with our company.

Last Tuesday, I attended Hippodrome Casino in London for all day discussions and networking for the casino industry. A lot of the all day discussions with people involved with gambling from all over the world were about how to make gambling safer and more sustainable for players. It was a tremendous opportunity for me to explain my ideas, philosophy and plans and I'm very pleased to say everyone I spoke to was highly encouraging and very pleased to hear that we wanted to run on a much lower profit margin than is typical - whereas there has been a trend for reduction in RTPs, we want the RTPs to increase.

I have been strongly encouraged to pitch our ideas to a panel of potential investors in early February next year, I have been told by senior staff of the international casino trade association that it is highly likely that we will secure the investment that we need. Yes big funding is still required, so I'm sorry the casino will not be ready for launch on December 2nd of this year, instead it will be some time in 2024. We haven't got a date, just wish to launch as soon as possible but we need a large amount of money to make this a success!

There has been just a very small number of account pre-registrations to date, all registrants will be sent a cash prize of £15 early October as we're unable to launch in December as had originally been planned. All pre-registrations will be contacted shortly, we will pay these amounts by Paypal or bank transfer.

During the day at the Hippodrome Casinomeister was mentioned during one discussion and highly commended for the PAB service. I attended the private party on the rooftop bar at the Hippodrome at the end of the day, had an absolutely fantastic day there.

Of course I am happy to answer any questions arising - apart from that, I will find this thread and re-post when we actually launch in 2024. Our website is being updated, there will be latest news posted within 2 days - technical control of our website is being given to partner company tomorrow.
 
We're transferring our website to a new platform nothing to worry about but temporarily it's down. Our website is temporarily unavailable, but it will be back very soon and I look forward to publishing the next updated message there during this week.

All going really well in preparation, sad we can't start the online casino December 2023 but looking forward to next year!

I just needed to add this post today because there is a technical error appearing on the website, I understand the website will be back in approximately 24 hours. The roulette feed video links to real casinos is running fine, and our demo mode roulette is running fine too. I understand work has started on getting slot games ready for us. The games are far more exciting of course with higher RTP, my own GAMSTOP 1 year gambling stop came to an end I played a slot game a few weeks ago and won about £30 but I understand the experience of winning has not occurred often enough for players generally, I have experienced in the past slot games where lots of money can be burnt through and nothing back. I am personally going to set a very low deposit limit if I do gamble, and close my remaining accounts.

Our own slot games will not have any winning spins which return less than the spin value, as we've already mentioned a very high RTP is important to us to provide, and we will have a repeater mini-jackpot which is £500 with repeating chance available from a hit bonus feature. Our maximum roulette spin value will probably be a table limit of £5,000, minimum £0.50 or £1. There will be tables where the maximum limit is considerably less. Currently we don't have plans for software roulette, although it would be interesting to put this out to consultation, if we do offer this the maximum limits will be far less than for live roulette. For example, in the bookies before the £2 rule came in the maximum bet was £50 or £100 - something like that.

In respect of maximum stake for slot games, I'm in favour of reasonably good stakes perhaps maximum £20 a spin, only more if the player can afford the risk (but without intrusive checks to ascertain that!) The players are far more likely to be able to afford the risks if the payout percentage is much higher, then there's more chance of winning a good amount and less chance of betting too much money and losing too much! This is before the proposed additional winnings in arrears, each week, month, Christmas and New Year.

I wasn't expecting to post today but thought it best to whilst the error message is coming up for our website. Can't wait to start, and also looking forward to paying out small prizes next month to the few people that pre-registered so far! Edit 26/09/23 1.30PM Website is now back online.
 
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Hi Christmas is nearly here and I would like to update you in this thread about how things are going for us.

The live roulette bespoke platform has been operating well with live video from real casinos around the world for some time in testing. I'm very confident that we can provide a live european roulette trading/playing service which could be the best in the world for aggregated payout by the end of each month and indeed at the end of the year.

It was sensibly suggested to me much earlier in this thread that we should launch with slot games as well, as the majority of play is on slot games rather than roulette. Slot games are being worked on, many hours of design work invested already, I hope they are ready in time for launch rather than we just launch with roulette to start with.

Because we are launching our own slots, we will start with a maximum of just 3 slot games, rather than the hundreds or even thousands of slot games which other casinos offer. This does mean our overheads will be less, as one problem with starting an online casino can be having to pay something called "minimums" to game providers each month - if you don't get enough revenue for a particular slot or group of slots, a payment has to be made all the same of a minimum amount to the game providers, very usually. The 3 slot games we launch we aim to have the highest % return in the world.

The bespoke platform is I'd say 70% there. We can launch in 2024, sorry it's taken so long to start. I have spent quite a lot of time reading the 300+ page High Stakes - Gambling Commission white paper consultation. I've also spent a lot of time reading thousands of online casino reviews.

I hope everyone has a great Christmas, I'm sorry to say this but if you find a slot which is not paying decent bonuses it may be a slot which will just not hit a bonus, on and on and on with more and more money invested. I have been there in the situation of having no money, I have great sympathy for people who enter this situation. I hope everyone has enough cash to enjoy a decent enough Christmas. Money is so important in life to have a decent life.
 
Hello - at our website the freephone numbers are currently down, these should be back by Tuesday (tomorrow) 1.30pm or latest by the end of tomorrow, email is working fine. The international landline number is working fine. I will let everyone know when we launch in the UK later this year (any time after the beginning of April).
 
Hello - at our website the freephone numbers are currently down, these should be back by Tuesday (tomorrow) 1.30pm or latest by the end of tomorrow, email is working fine. The international landline number is working fine. I will let everyone know when we launch in the UK later this year (any time after the beginning of April).
Thanks so much for the update, it must be such an inconvenience that your freephone numbers are not available to your valued players. I hope your support teams are able to cope with the complaints. Best wishes.
 
Hi everyone, great we haven't started yet but you can contact us on our working freephone numbers, which are available 24 hours a day.

I am attending the International Casino Expo in London tomorrow. If we raise the necessary investment, it will be possible to launch our casino in the first half of this year. Please note that gaming duty is not an expense which requires mean average payouts to be less than before,because it is a tax on gross profits rather than net profits. We will start in the UK and then operate with an additional license for other countries.

Unfortunately it looks like we can launch only with live european roulette rather than slots as well, a lot of our preparation is done in-house to keep our costs and fees down. If possible I will go to the Casinomeister meet-up as well, but can't guarantee this.
 
I for one see absolutely no reason why I wouldn't give all my credit card info and bank statements and drivers license to this absolutely top notch operation. :cheers:
 
Thank you! I have a latest target to launch now of the end of September 2024. Open banking checking bank statements etc is something that we would like to avoid whenever possible. Freephone lines have been working again, please note that the office is not manned again until tomorrow afternoon onwards. I will post back when we finally launch.
 
I mean I am late to the party to say my thoughts but feel I want to give my 2pennies worth.

Firstly a very very strange thread. I do not think I have ever saw a thread like this ever before where a potential CEO is detailing all the ongoing steps and going into great detail publicly. I mean I like the transparency but there has to be a line you draw divulging all the details that you are divulging.

A question I have is this, you stated you are from the UK and you are a wealthy individual but now you stated you are looking for investments? I mean was you always looking for investments from the start? Or was you blind sighted and unsure of the true costs involved and how much money you actually need to cover costs and payouts to winning players?

Is that why you are now looking for investments?

Secondly what slot providers are you going to be hosting in your casino? and also what withdrawal and deposit methods will you use and lastly how fast will your withdrawals take? will you have an automatic withdrawal system so that they get processed instantly by the system so players do not need to wait days for them to get paid?

One last thing: Your personal address is listed on the companies house for your company as well. Anyone can then see where you live. That is why it would have been best to have a office away from your home for you and your family's protection and security?

Thanks and I wish you good luck with your venture though.
 
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Sorry I have been absent from the forum for a month due to a completely resolved and sorted health matter. I will only now post back when we launch, unless there are posts to respond to, hence I'm happy to respond to yours DreamRJ!

I am from the UK, I am not a cash wealthy individual as at today, and we are looking for and are making progress with getting investments totalling many millions of pounds. We do know how much money we need to cover costs and payouts, which I won't divulge.

Withdrawals we want to make payouts as fast as possible! The registered address for the company is currently a residential address. This is only for the development period - which has been a long time. We couldn't possibly trade from this location it's about ten to twenty times too small and it wouldn't be legal to do so. For deposits, at the very least it will be possible to deposit instantly using debit cards, and Paypal, no credit cards of course.
 
Sorry I have been absent from the forum for a month due to a completely resolved and sorted health matter. I will only now post back when we launch, unless there are posts to respond to, hence I'm happy to respond to yours DreamRJ!

I am from the UK, I am not a cash wealthy individual as at today, and we are looking for and are making progress with getting investments totalling many millions of pounds. We do know how much money we need to cover costs and payouts, which I won't divulge.

Withdrawals we want to make payouts as fast as possible! The registered address for the company is currently a residential address. This is only for the development period - which has been a long time. We couldn't possibly trade from this location it's about ten to twenty times too small and it wouldn't be legal to do so. For deposits, at the very least it will be possible to deposit instantly using debit cards, and Paypal, no credit cards of course.
A bit of friendly advice, don’t rush with PayPal. :)
 
Thanks for that advice Mark_Lottomart! I'm speaking again to payment system providers next week, will discuss this, we want to make sure all most popular deposit methods are made available.
It’s an expensive option, lots of due diligence (not that that’s a problem) and potentially an attractive option for bonus abusers as they can transfer money between each other. Any “genuine” player in the UK at least will use their card direct rather than using the card to deposit into PayPal.
 
It’s an expensive option, lots of due diligence (not that that’s a problem) and potentially an attractive option for bonus abusers as they can transfer money between each other. Any “genuine” player in the UK at least will use their card direct rather than using the card to deposit into PayPal.
+ chargeback attempts :(
 
There are several Reasons for UK casinos to not accept PayPal anymore and some have recently realised that.

I won't post them here being a public forum but some have been mentioned on here in various threads.
 
There are several Reasons for UK casinos to not accept PayPal anymore and some have recently realised that.

I won't post them here being a public forum but some have been mentioned on here in various threads.
#Intrigued
 
There are several Reasons for UK casinos to not accept PayPal anymore and some have recently realised that.

I won't post them here being a public forum but some have been mentioned on here in various threads.

Thanks for these comments Reelsoffun, Mark_Lottomart, L&L-Jan, and everyone else.

When I accept payments in my existing music business, I must say when Paypal is used, Paypal fees can be really high - you can end up spending over a £1 on Paypal fees, for even small transactions (music business is a lot of mainly small transactions). I much prefer bank transfers for that reason, which have improved as a payment option since 'Faster Payments' became more mainstream, much better really than 2-day BACS.

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What's happening with the launch of Better Value Casino? Very exciting to be working on this, it has however taken nearly a year longer than I had thought to work on getting everything ready. During the last month I have spent several hours on videocalls, talking to payment system providers, a slot games producer, fundraising agents. I pitched for iGB Live pitching competition, but we didn't make the shortlist! No prob though..

I am aware that the UK is a difficult market currently, with issues such as the intrusivity (if that's a word!) of Source of Wealth requests (wish to avoid those to as much as an extent as possible! We will of course abide by all UKGC rules). Gaming duty is high, but that is not a reason to reduce RTP's on slot games - Gaming duty is on Gross Gaming Revenue not turnover. We're no longer going to get a Curacao license, although I understand the situation with Curacao may have improved recently a bit, but it doesn't sound quite 100% stable enough. We've been advised to get an Anjouran license, as well as a UKGC license.

So what am I doing now? We've scaled up a lot the music business, because in my case, I do not have an excellent business track record up 'til this point. Too much spent on gambling! (I'm now personally registered for FIVE years on GAMSTOP which I renewed). However, I'm advised that decent profitability and sound business skills can be demonstrated in a short period of time, when done correctly, so I'm spending a lot of time on our music business this month of August with some part-time staff, really trying to get as much turnover as possible! We also have an ink and toner supply business and the same aim for rapid expansion is important there too. Then, it becomes far easier to sell (millions of pounds of) bonds and some company equity which I am concurrently working on. I will be getting up at 3.30am in the morning for one of the fundraising calls at 4am UK time to speak to a company in Singapore amongst other possible investors. I sincerely wish to launch this year 2024, Christmas time or before.

I'm happy to post more if any posts require answering, this is a really good forum, very intelligent interactions. Or if not, again I will endeavour to complete the setup and post back when we're ready to launch. Speaking to gamblers here has been very useful, originally for example we were going to launch with only live European roulette, but creating some decent slots will be important too as there is a greater number of people playing slots than roulette generally, although we're hoping that our roulettes will be our "flagship" service offering.

I'm aware that there are many sites with hundreds of slot games on offer, some with thousands. We cannot do that logistical and valid cost reasons, we will launch with just Live European roulette and 3 slots! Our slots do not have the best graphics (they're not rubbish graphics though!), but there is excitement to be generated from player's winning money, not just from "flashing lights/animations". All our slots run with the same RTP's (we need to send our slots to RTP testing house when they're ready), I won't reveal right now what that percentage is, but I'm hoping that players will really like what we're planning, after the frustation of so many slots going down in respect of RTP. We hope to have at least 5 slots available after 6 months, including "Belief in the Gods", and "Ultra Cash Machine". We have a mini jackpot on the slots, "true random" - so you won't see screen jumps or revolving wheel animation glitches, £500 mini jackpot with multi-repeat chance.

Until the end of this month, I'm also working hard on my music, ink and toner, and artificial intelligence businesses, then next month it's all casino work (aim to complete fundraising by the end of September) as the other businesses have their own staff to manage them from September onwards.

As I said I am now registered for GAMSTOP for 5 years. My initial 1 year GAMSTOP came to an end, and I had restarted gambling, which didn't go well!

I found the RTP's I was experiencing were too low and I couldn't afford the money volatility. I did some betting as well as online, at Coral betting shops on the FOBT machines. With the £2 maximum stake, I was frequently tempted to use the "pre-bet spinner" (which when won enables the roulette player to place a higher stake on a single bet - eg a tenner would theoretically be placable once every 5 pre-bet spins mean average). Huge bias in the house's favour though, I found at the Corals (particularly at my local one). The pre-bet would start usually with a semi-generous bias towards the player, then later on, it would go dead, pre-bet spin after pre-bet spin just taking the money, nothing in exchange!.. I don't think it's fair, I think there is something amiss with the mathematical seeding being used to generate the supposedly fair random outcomes on the pre-bet spinner!

False euphoria can arise in a situation where lots of money is won, even if it clears into the bank account, if then the money is all lost the next day, then the player never really had the (benefit of) the winning money in the first place. We're brainstorming ideas at the moment to make such a situation avoidable. I love people winning money.

A long time coming, but setting this up correctly, so all being well look out / listen out for our major advertising campaign which I hope will happen in December (Everything but TV for the first campaign). Thanks for reading my long post, and cheers for all the tips, encouragement, opinions, and advice!
 
Never commented in this thread before as thought I'd stay out of it. You know that old saying sometimes if nothing nice to say better staying quiet.

But what the hell thought I'd give my input. If you are really sure about going ahead with this I would change my mi d and pull out quick.

It seems to me that since you gambled a lot you thought let's have a great idea and own my own casino as the money will flow in.

Personally even if it ever did launch which I doubt it ever will its a casino I would never sign up to.

Nearly 2 years on you are still trying to get funding. You admit you are bad at business and have a gambling problem.

You are convinced you can run the casino with 96% slots and give great bonuses. Even if you launched with just roulette a few lucky high rollers would wipe you out.

As for the extensive advertising campaign that might eventually run. Are you not aware they are trying to get rid of all advertising for casinos at some point.

Sorry but fact this has been going so long shows its a dream I doubt will ever happen. But being frank from reading the whole thread I'd say if it ever did launch I would imaging it would go bust very quick.

And I would think this thread would have the opposite effect from what you want. Instead of getting people to sign up i would imagine it would make every member avoid like the plaque. Well apart from the usual ponces that will sign up anywhere if there's a freebie involved.

To sum up after 2 years. No licence yet, No funding, bad business record, owner with gambling problem and the fact its taking so long shows its not very well thought out.
If it ever gets up and running good luck but I seriously doubt it ever will.
 
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Hi Paul, thanks for your post, you're very pessimistic and gloomy about our forthcoming launch! I do not have a gambling problem. I am a very good businessman.

I've been work all day processing ink orders, sorry only just getting a chance to respond now. I will post again, I wanted though to immediately comment on one error you've made - you mention 96% RTP slots, that payout is not nearly high enough in my and my small current base of staff's opinion. You spin at £1 a spin every 5 seconds, 4 pence every 5 seconds profit to the house mean average on aggregate plus or minus variance, no thanks that's way too high in favour of the casino! And some games out there now running at 94% or even less, that's a massive even further difference to a player's gameplay.
 
If I were launching a casino and I had the funding together I would not put myself through all that (and definitely not UKGC license)

I would grab a white label Costa Rica crypto site, all the providers at max RTP plus table games, no KYC or questions asked, but instant no quibble payouts and 24/7 excellent customer service.

Yep I have toyed around with it in my head lol
 
Hi Paul, thanks for your post, you're very pessimistic and gloomy about our forthcoming launch! I do not have a gambling problem. I am a very good businessman.

I've been work all day processing ink orders, sorry only just getting a chance to respond now. I will post again, I wanted though to immediately comment on one error you've made - you mention 96% RTP slots, that payout is not nearly high enough in my and my small current base of staff's opinion. You spin at £1 a spin every 5 seconds, 4 pence every 5 seconds profit to the house mean average on aggregate plus or minus variance, no thanks that's way too high in favour of the casino! And some games out there now running at 94% or even less, that's a massive even further difference to a player's gameplay.
Lol I would describe my comments as honest not pessimistic and gloomy. I actually gave better feedback than I should have.

And you were the one that stated you have no great business skills and spending way to.much gambling so have gamstopped. In fact in your very first post you said you Gamstopped then a year and a half ago as you had a very successful run. Now today you said you have ga.stoppwd as you were spending way too much gambling. Those two comments added together are enough to put me off.

Then needed to laugh when you have stated you don't even think 96% RTP is high enough you want slots higher.

Seriously not sure who your advisers are but I'd change them.

There is no way possible you can run a casino with slots higher than 96% while giving cashback to customers and paying all the related costs. Might be the reason why after a couple of years you are still trying to get financial backers. Any clever businessman would look at the package and go no way will I invest as its a certain loser. Seems totally pie in the sky.

But I am only saying what I know a lot of people are thinking they just won't post it.

But good luck. And rather than telling me I am wrong tell you what forget Christmas. I will give you to August next year which is yet another year and if by then you have a successful running casino I will be first to admit I was wrong.

But don't think I have anything to worry about.
 
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You're going to open with 3 slots that include a random mini jackpot of £500? Unless the min stake is £1, no 10c low roller is realistically ever going to see that, if thats the mini starting point. Surely it will have to take a decent chunk of the rtp too, in order to pay for the jackpots. Repeat chance sounds fun though, lol. Many people, myself included, don't go near slots with jackpots attached for the very reason I just mentioned.

I expect it would be harder to find investors if you're working on multiple projects alongside this one. I'm not an expert in that area, but I've watched Dragons Den.
 
Thank you satchnz. Unfortunately, there are a great deal of misunderstandings in the latest few posts. No, we DO want players to see £500 winnings if they can hit it, preferably with repeater.

I don't gamble, I don't know why paul7388 thinks I have a "gambling problem", when I don't gamble.

I did not say I had poor business skills whatsoever, I said I didn't have a proven track record. I actually think I'm really good at business.

I will post again but I don't think until about 11pm or 12pm tonight because (a) there are a great deal of misunderstandings in both paul7388's posts and TheAddict's posts hence I wish to make a post carefully and not rushed to give clarity and correct practically every point made in the recent posts in this thread. (b) I have tonnes of work to do! For example, I have sent and received nearly 3,000 emails relating to this casino project (as at now 2,905 emails sent and received), more emails and communications to do tonight. We're very nearly there, yes it's all late starting, but it will start in 2024.
 
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Thank you satchnz. Unfortunately, there are a great deal of misunderstandings in the latest few posts. No, we DO want players to see £500 winnings if they can hit it, preferably with repeater.

I don't gamble, I don't know why paul7388 thinks I have a "gambling problem", when I don't gamble.

I did not say I had poor business skills whatsoever, I said I didn't have a proven track record. I actually think I'm really good at business.

I will post again but I don't think until about 11pm or 12pm tonight because (a) there are a great deal of misunderstandings in both paul7388's posts and TheAddict's posts hence I wish to make a post carefully and not rushed to give clarity and correct practically every point made in the recent posts in this thread. (b) I have tonnes of work to do! For example, I have sent and received nearly 2,000 emails relating to this casino project, more emails and communications to do tonight. We're very nearly there, yes it's all late starting, but it will start in 2024.
My post was making a joke about the Dragon’s Den comment. It wasn’t mean to be critical.
 
Thank you satchnz. Unfortunately, there are a great deal of misunderstandings in the latest few posts. No, we DO want players to see £500 winnings if they can hit it, preferably with repeater.

I don't gamble, I don't know why paul7388 thinks I have a "gambling problem", when I don't gamble.

I did not say I had poor business skills whatsoever, I said I didn't have a proven track record. I actually think I'm really good at business.

I will post again but I don't think until about 11pm or 12pm tonight because (a) there are a great deal of misunderstandings in both paul7388's posts and TheAddict's posts hence I wish to make a post carefully and not rushed to give clarity and correct practically every point made in the recent posts in this thread. (b) I have tonnes of work to do! For example, I have sent and received nearly 2,000 emails relating to this casino project, more emails and communications to do tonight. We're very nearly there, yes it's all late starting, but it will start in 2024.
Are you serious. You don't gamble.

You first posted that you gamstopped as you had a good run.

Then today you posted that you gamstopped as were spending way too much.

Then you try make out I'm making things up as you are not a gambler and no idea why I would think you gambled. Lol maybe i came to that conclusion because you said it. Before trying to make me look stupid maybe reread your own posts and get your facts right.

Just because you might not be gambling today as you have gamstopped hardly makes you a non gambler. That's like an alcoholic saying I no longer have a problem as I've not drank today.

Anyway made my point. I will stick to my opinion that no chance with the way you are planning that you have had good advice and will get a successful profitable casino. Good luck.
 
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So what am I doing now? We've scaled up a lot the music business, because in my case, I do not have an excellent business track record up 'til this point. Too much spent on gambling! (I'm now personally registered for FIVE years on GAMSTOP which I renewed).
Just be aware that what you wrote above does come across as saying “I’m not good in business” and “I have a gambling problem than I needed to address by formally excluding myself”.
 
I would like to re-state, no, I don't have a gambling problem. If I ever did (past), we are talking about now, with the use of the present tense. I'm sorry if I've given an erroneous impression that I am not good at business, I speak to people all over the world during the last few weeks, some of the people I speak to think the businesses have huge global potential. An unproven track record so far doesn't mean someone is no good at entrepreneurship or business activities. Someone who doesn't gamble, with assistance from GAMSTOP 5 year block, does not have a problem with gambling.
 
I would like to re-state, no, I don't have a gambling problem. If I ever did (past), we are talking about now, with the use of the present tense. I'm sorry if I've given an erroneous impression that I am not good at business, I speak to people all over the world during the last few weeks, some of the people I speak to think the businesses have huge global potential. An unproven track record so far doesn't mean someone is no good at entrepreneurship or business activities. Someone who doesn't gamble, with assistance from GAMSTOP 5 year block, does not have a problem with gambling.

You really don't seem to get this. This is why I really don't think you have a chance.

Yet again I'm sorry but anyone will tell you. If you are spending too much money on gambling so you have to Gamstop for 5 years. Your words not mine.

That means you have a gambling problem. Doesn't make any difference if you are gambling today. The fact that you had to gamstop to stop you from spending too much is a gambling problem. Its like any addiction you are only okay till your next fix.

Fair enough you are trying to set up a business. You have took help to stop you gambling and that's all good. But don't keep saying you have no issues with gambling. And to be honest anyone that has had past gambling issues should not be even considering being involved in a casino.

I would hardly advise an alcoholic his dream job would be to be a Bar Manager.
 
If I were launching a casino and I had the funding together I would not put myself through all that (and definitely not UKGC license)

I would grab a white label Costa Rica crypto site, all the providers at max RTP plus table games, no KYC or questions asked, but instant no quibble payouts and 24/7 excellent customer service.

Yep I have toyed around with it in my head lol

Cool, 24/7 excellent customer service, manned, I'm in total agreement with that. We do have a KYC procedure, including checks against fraud and anti money laundering checks. We won't offer literally instant payouts, but we do want to offer high speed payouts. Something close to instant can be offered for smaller payouts relative to large wins payouts. Slot game provision at max possible RTP is a good idea, and table games we only have Live European roulette for launch.

We're not a crypto only site, in fact crypto is an area where I don't have a great deal of knowledge yet. I do know though that at least for the moment, it is not from my observations mainstream, there's far more people who use traditional currency, I know some people who have or are involved with crypto can rave about it, but the volume of players is not there yet in my opinion.

We have to have a UKGC license to legally trade in the UK, and you have to observe the conditions of having that license at all times. Even a white label Costa Rica crypto site requires licensing.

But yes, excellent customer service is essential, with service representatives who know what they're doing, understand the players, understand the games, and are able to effectively help quickly in the event of a player's request for support. Also, with us, gambling services will be available 24/7 except for a period of 1 hour once every week, so I think availability of personnel at all hours for any players who need help, even in the small hours of the morning, is important.

OK, I need to get on with other stuff in 5 minutes! But I will come back here later, thanks.
 
UK is a very tough market certainly not what it was in the glory days, MrQ is already running the highest RTP on almost all slots and they have a big reach in the UK and sponsor Watford and the PDC good luck trying to take them on.
 
As I said I am now registered for GAMSTOP for 5 years. My initial 1 year GAMSTOP came to an end, and I had restarted gambling, which didn't go well!

I found the RTP's I was experiencing were too low and I couldn't afford the money volatility. I did some betting as well as online, at Coral betting shops on the FOBT machines. With the £2 maximum stake, I was frequently tempted to use the "pre-bet spinner" (which when won enables the roulette player to place a higher stake on a single bet - eg a tenner would theoretically be placable once every 5 pre-bet spins mean average). Huge bias in the house's favour though, I found at the Corals (particularly at my local one). The pre-bet would start usually with a semi-generous bias towards the player, then later on, it would go dead, pre-bet spin after pre-bet spin just taking the money, nothing in exchange!.. I don't think it's fair, I think there is something amiss with the mathematical seeding being used to generate the supposedly fair random outcomes on the pre-bet spinner!
Everything above screams out a problem gambler, especially when you say you started again after a 1 year Gamstop "which didnt go well" and going to the local Corals for the FOBT.
I have no horse in this race but can you really trust someone who cant even remember what they wrote a few hours ago....
 
In fact in your very first post you said you Gamstopped then a year and a half ago as you had a very successful run.

Someone who doesn't gamble, with assistance from GAMSTOP 5 year block, does not have a problem with gambling.

A lot of this comes down to perception - if someone is registered on GAMSTOP, they will be portrayed as a problem gambler by the mainstream. Even if they have recovered, that stigma is going to stay attached for a number of years - same with a recovering alcohol.

Unfortunately, that is going to extend to investor attitudes as well.

The business experience comments are more up in the air - just because someone hasn't demonstrated the ability doesn't mean they're not capable. As the OP has already mentioned, the best answer is to demonstrate it...

There is no way possible you can run a casino with slots higher than 96% while giving cashback to customers and paying all the related costs.
Economy of scale plays a substantial factor here - and I'm struggling to see that for a new operator. The worrying thing about the RTP cuts is how many players don't realise and/or don't care - William Hill still make bank even though their slots have dropped from 96% to 88-92% in recent years.

I'm struggling to see how such a site exists on e.g. a 2% margin, given a lot of the headline costs - customer support, finance, infrastructure - scale but from a minimum point. If the initial outlay is £2m for a year - that's £100m in wagers just to cover the bare minimum, which is a lot of players and a lot of wagering starting from nothing.

Similarly, any such media campaign would need to get that RTP message across (tricky) and provide enough of an offering for people to want to sign up. There might be an argument having one or two high-value providers and then scaffold your own offerings (but that's a significant additional cost), otherwise 3-6 slots and a roulette wheel doesn't really grab people's attention.


We have to have a UKGC license to legally trade in the UK, and you have to observe the conditions of having that license at all times. Even a white label Costa Rica crypto site requires licensing.
In the UK, that would apply to regulated gambling activities - there are other paths (skill games, free prize draws including "call and lose" phone-ins) that are not regulated by the UKGC.

And no, Costa Rica does not have a gambling regulator or gaming license - you would have a business license in that case. While your overheads would be lower, that's because your obligations are lower - essentially zero oversight and zero player protections.
 
We are very nearly there - Better Value Casino should commence before the end of 2024. And we'll still be going strong, as will all of our players, in the year 2074, 50 years from now. I am very busy at the moment putting in approximately 12 hour days, 6 days a week, in final preparations. Please look out for our launch before the end of 2024, it will be announced in our launch advertising campaign. Thank you. Goodnight.
 
It's pretty ambitous, imo. Like the talk of Book of 99. Not the best graphics but not the worst. Sounded good at the time, but does anyone still play it regularly? It's hard to believe that customers are going to keep coming back for the same slot or 3, especially if the slots end up as uninspiring as book of 99 did.
 
The thought of opening a casino with just a Roulette Wheel and three slot games is like entering a gunfight with a water pistol.
I'm not sure how that will engage anybody. The first thing I look for at any casino is their game providers and choice of slots.

We've got more than 1 roulette wheel ! We don't have a very high number of roulette wheels such as for example Evolution Gaming provide, but we do have 3, and I hope we can make that 4 wheels by the time we get going. All 3 are Live European (single 0) roulette with live dealers. We have different maximum stake limits but this is not assigned to the different wheels, the maximum stake rules are determined by options which players are able to select.

Currently, we are, in-house, the game providers for our own slots in development, we do additionally have 1 third party professional slots provider and this slots specialists company are helping us complete our own slots offerings as well. It is true that there's probably only 3 slot games going to be ready for commencing in December. We want to make those as exciting as possible and enjoyable gameplay, there isn't enough man-hours to set up, complete and have audited for example a dozen slot games for our launch, there is only expected to be 3 at the start. I expect to have 5 slot games available after approximately 3 months from our start. One thing our slots will not do is lead players on a wind-up using hypnotic or false hope sounds and music and graphics, without a bonus coming in or a bigger prize being won. I hope that our Belief in the Gods slot will be a very exciting game indeed, it's easier to make it exciting with a high RTP compared to what's typical RTP at the moment. I'm not involved in the coding, graphic design or game engine work myself. I had requested that for our slots there should not be any wins from a spin, which is presented as a win, but is for an amount which is less than the amount of the spin stake. However, during a one hour videocall with one of the suppliers, a counter argument was put forward. Do any of you have an opinion as to whether my initial feeling, that any presented 'win' occuring being less than the stake for the spin, should not occur in our games, or do you think such partial wins have their place in the gameplay?

I also don't want what happened to me more than once when I tried slots (this was over 4 years ago I think), where I won an absolute grand total of £1 after getting into a bonus round. (That was at Betfair!) Sure, some bonus round total wins can be not that great, or they can be great, but just £1 from a bonus round was very disappointing indeed! Also, I would find it would make for a very disappointing experience, if I were given free spins, and had winnings awarded of 2p, 4p or something like that, eg from 10 free spins. That happened regularly with low value free spins. Far too mean and miserly.
 
We've got more than 1 roulette wheel ! We don't have a very high number of roulette wheels such as for example Evolution Gaming provide, but we do have 3, and I hope we can make that 4 wheels by the time we get going. All 3 are Live European (single 0) roulette with live dealers. We have different maximum stake limits but this is not assigned to the different wheels, the maximum stake rules are determined by options which players are able to select.

Currently, we are, in-house, the game providers for our own slots in development, we do additionally have 1 third party professional slots provider and this slots specialists company are helping us complete our own slots offerings as well. It is true that there's probably only 3 slot games going to be ready for commencing in December. We want to make those as exciting as possible and enjoyable gameplay, there isn't enough man-hours to set up, complete and have audited for example a dozen slot games for our launch, there is only expected to be 3 at the start. I expect to have 5 slot games available after approximately 3 months from our start. One thing our slots will not do is lead players on a wind-up using hypnotic or false hope sounds and music and graphics, without a bonus coming in or a bigger prize being won. I hope that our Belief in the Gods slot will be a very exciting game indeed, it's easier to make it exciting with a high RTP compared to what's typical RTP at the moment. I'm not involved in the coding, graphic design or game engine work myself. I had requested that for our slots there should not be any wins from a spin, which is presented as a win, but is for an amount which is less than the amount of the spin stake. However, during a one hour videocall with one of the suppliers, a counter argument was put forward. Do any of you have an opinion as to whether my initial feeling, that any presented 'win' occuring being less than the stake for the spin, should not occur in our games, or do you think such partial wins have their place in the gameplay?

I also don't want what happened to me more than once when I tried slots (this was over 4 years ago I think), where I won an absolute grand total of £1 after getting into a bonus round. (That was at Betfair!) Sure, some bonus round total wins can be not that great, or they can be great, but just £1 from a bonus round was very disappointing indeed! Also, I would find it would make for a very disappointing experience, if I were given free spins, and had winnings awarded of 2p, 4p or something like that, eg from 10 free spins. That happened regularly with low value free spins. Far too mean and miserly.
No offence here but you are looking for feedback.
And it has been mentioned by several players on here. To get customers you need to have a product that they are interested in. There's that many casinos these days . But if you are launching with just a handful of slots and a few roulette games you won't get any business.

You can call my post negative and gloomy all you want. But I am afraid its fact. Anybody that looks at a new casino that has say 5 slots and a couple of roulette tables will automatically go they are having a laugh. I know if I looked at a new casino that only had 5 slots there is no way I would touch it.

You seem hell bent on this idea that you want so high RTP. Yeah higher RTP is good. But only if its on a decent product. People don't want to play crap they want a slot that's exciting. It has already been mentioned on here that there was a book slot with 99% RTP. Going by your logic everyone would want to play it. In reality it is garbage and noone plays it.

I really do not think you actually know what you are doing. Yeah that sounds nasty and harsh but its true. No casino that launches with 3 slots and 4 roulette tables will get any business there's just nothing on offer.
 
Sorry I have to agree with Paul, If you launch like you say with a few slots and only a few live roulette tables and expect to add some more in three months, I can't even see you still trading in three months!

I don't ever remember signing up to any casino EVER that don't already have a bare minimum of

Live and first person Blackjack games,
LIVE and RNG Roulette games,
Gameshow games,
Video poker,
Scratch cards,
Plus 100's if not 1000+ of slot games from at least a dozen providers.
 
A decade ago you could open a casino with say NetEnt and Microgaming slots and everyone would be happy, and it would be a good business. Nowadays, everyone wants the latest slots and a mix of low and extreme volatility games.

The UK market is ruined now, thanks UKGC, and I don't think you would last more than a few months with what you have planned.

Take a look at Midnite, they are one of the newest UK sites and they have done well. Good game selection, instant withdrawals and a easy SoW process. Even with their 94% RTPs, it's the only place besides VideoSlots that I legally play at now.
 

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