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Once upon a time I really felt good about this casino, just because the rep was quite helpful and normally responded to any problems in a timely fashion. Now, having had extended experience there and many deposits, I no longer feel they are any better than the average "clip joint". I feel, in fairness, that I have given them plenty of time and my money to prove otherwise. I now have to call it what it is.

Here are my issues with them and I'm checking to see if I'm alone on this, but I don't think so.......

1. Great bonuses...but:
Never can seem to make the playthough and I've played a full range of them, up to 600%, but normally take the 110% bonus lately, since there is no max on it. Still does no good, if one can't make playthough.

2. In all my deposits, very minimal comp points have accumulated. In many deposits and many hours of play, I still have only 300 and some comp points and they will not be redeemable til I get to 1000 and then they are not worth jack squat. ($1)

3. Rep will give a comp is you complain, but then you only can cash out 2x the chip value, no matter how many deposits you have lost there. I contacted the chat rep last because I had claimed a $66 bonus on a $60 deposit. I had a little over $1 in my account and showed over $4500 playthough in the cashier. He said it only showed that I had $288 in playthough left. I wonder how many times the playthough counter has lead me to believe that I had much more playthough than I really had. Very deceptive, if true and it may have cost me plenty in the past.

4. They are running the lowest RTP available, I believe. If you log in you will see 2 pears in Fruit Frenzy, indicating they have the machines turned down to the lowest settings.

So, bottom line, they are making their machines as tight as possible, while giving minimal compensation for your play, providing a comp (if you complain) with a max 2x cashout, but good luck with that....you won't generally make the playthough and if you happen to and hit something, you will probably end up insulted after all your deposits.

Something is amiss with this place and I cannot recommend playing there. It just doesn't seem right and they have it set up with all kinds of limits to be sure that they whack 99.9% of the players. Very short sighted thinking, which will continue to drive customers away.

How is everyone else doing there?
 
Someone who I ran into claimed to have won 800 on their 100 no deposit bonuses and was asking for advice.
 
Agree - terrible RTP

I have made 6-7 small deposits in order to claim large bonuses, from 200% to 900%. I do not recall ever getting over 25% above my initial balance or getting a 50X or better hit. I agree the RTP must be set very low - I play a lot of RTGs and have never had such bad sessions.

If a casino is offering such large bonuses (even with max cashout) on a regular basis they must be confident of making a good profit from the majority of deposits. I smelt a rat and uninstalled. I then tried slotastic (Jackpot Capital). I managed to get a $10 free chip up to $250 and made 60x playthrough. I was lucky of course but have cashed out several free chips and bonuses from JC casinos which to me is proof that they are giving me a chance.
 
Never played there and never will looking at the bonus offers all non cashable with insane play throughs. A true clip joint with its gaming licence in "Costa Rica" think that sums it up. With quite a few decent accredited RTGs there is no reason to deposit at such a casino. And yep I agree they will no doubt have the lowest setting they can with RTG.
 
Never played there and never will looking at the bonus offers all non cashable with insane play throughs. A true clip joint with its gaming licence in "Costa Rica" think that sums it up. With quite a few decent accredited RTGs there is no reason to deposit at such a casino. And yep I agree they will no doubt have the lowest setting they can with RTG.


I wouldnt call them a clip joint, infact Nicolas is a great Rep who has always tried to answer questions from players on this forum as well as other forums.

Im sure he will also be on here to answer these questions.He has never been shy about posting, whether you agree with him or not.

I would much rather deal with a casino that will stand up and post than some of these casinos that could give a damn less and just sweep it under the carpet, just my opinion.;)

I know of alot of players who just like the entertainment of taking these huge bonuses and they know the T/C's when partaking of these massive bonuses, I hate bonuses myself but to each their own.:)

Laurie
 
I like huge bonuses, especially when playing RTG slots.
But they doubled the WR for my country, and despite the fact that I lost each and every of my 10-12 deposits there (like a good boy), they do not want to wave that double WR, so I won't be back.
I'm Dutch, so I'm evil!:D
Fine, bye!
 
i have made several small dep at this casino. i never get to make a withdrawl. i dont like taking the big slot bonuses they offer as they have a max cash out . the max cash out is only 12 xs or 13xs depends on which one you use. im not willing to chance hitting big and only being able to make such a small withdrawl. its true i would have more money to play with BUT by the time you wager and DONT FORGET the bonus is non cashable which makes it really hard to win. its to hard to hit and then by the time you give the casino back the bonus you have nothing to withdrawl. so that being said i mostly play the free slot tournaments.
 
I wouldnt call them a clip joint, infact Nicolas is a great Rep who has always tried to answer questions from players on this forum as well as other forums.

Im sure he will also be on here to answer these questions.He has never been shy about posting, whether you agree with him or not.

I would much rather deal with a casino that will stand up and post than some of these casinos that could give a damn less and just sweep it under the carpet, just my opinion.;)

I know of alot of players who just like the entertainment of taking these huge bonuses and they know the T/C's when partaking of these massive bonuses, I hate bonuses myself but to each their own.:)

Laurie

Maybe not a clip joint but having max cashouts on a bonus where the bonus itself is not even withdrawble, and combined with the play through attatched it is almost impossible to get a chance to win. If people want pure entertainment then in this case it would be just as good just to play in fun mode. But as you said yep each to there own.
 
I have posted this before, but this is the casino that I made a 35 dollar deposit took their 100% no max cashout promotion. This was my very first deposit. I managed to clear the WR and withdrew 700 dollars. (I could have cashed out more, but started to see a losing trend happening so I quit while I was ahead.) Took some time to get my cashout. Was getting 1 excuse after another. I did finally get my cashout.

Next few days, I went to deposit again, BOOOOOM! My account was locked. That is when I found out I was "Negative Value Player". Like it was my fault that I had played the right games at the right time to put me ahead of the game.

Just becareful with this place, they love it when you lose, and can ya if you win to much. I have read on other forums that this has happened alot. I have only played at this casino tha one time, but that is all it took for this casino to show their true colors.

All the best,
LH
 
Re: BetPhoenix -

I started playing the free tourneys and then admit the 600-900% bonus was enticing enough to get me to deposit.

Earlier today I deposited $150 @ 900% ($1,350) = $1500. Made it through the WR and ended up with $2,198. So net profit was good. It will be my first cash out from their site, so I am tracking it closely. But then my first cashout any any new casino, I watch closely. Deposit was through QT which is my requested method of withdrawal also.

At this point I have nothing to complain about at all. But if it starts to go south, I will report back. Likewise if it goes smooth, I will post that also.


Diane
 
Re: BetPhoenix -

I started playing the free tourneys and then admit the 600-900% bonus was enticing enough to get me to deposit.

Earlier today I deposited $150 @ 900% ($1,350) = $1500. Made it through the WR and ended up with $2,198. So net profit was good. It will be my first cash out from their site, so I am tracking it closely. But then my first cashout any any new casino, I watch closely. Deposit was through QT which is my requested method of withdrawal also.

At this point I am optimistic, will report back on how the w/d goes.

Diane
 
I wouldnt call them a clip joint, infact Nicolas is a great Rep who has always tried to answer questions from players on this forum as well as other forums.

Im sure he will also be on here to answer these questions.He has never been shy about posting, whether you agree with him or not.

I would much rather deal with a casino that will stand up and post than some of these casinos that could give a damn less and just sweep it under the carpet, just my opinion.;)

I know of alot of players who just like the entertainment of taking these huge bonuses and they know the T/C's when partaking of these massive bonuses, I hate bonuses myself but to each their own.:)

Laurie

This guy is gold and I have to admit that he is, without a doubt, the reason I have continued to play there. Unfortunately, all his service does not change the outcome of the games (which are at RTG's lowest RTP settings) or how we are shown appreciation, or the lack, thereof, by the company he works for. Frankly, I'm surprised that a man of his caliber works for such a place. That said, Betphoenix should start paying attention to the voice of the players. I've said it before - their comp settings suck ass!

They could have many more deposits from me, but every time I get tempted, I just go look at Fruit Frenzy, see those two pears, remember what happened to me last time, then go deposit somewhere else. Pretty stupid on you, there, casino. ;) People who run these kinds of joints let the money blind them in the smarts. I can't think of any other explanation. They could have us all if they could figure out the proper payout and service, in such a way that we don't feel like we got skinned. Long term, my friends, think long term....pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.
 
Some other forums actually have them on the "Warning" depositing not advised, due to non-payment, delays and unethical business practices!

Wouldn't someone have to win for that to be an issue? I find that unlikely there.

Here has been my issue with this software, as well as others. Dogboy has been associated with the company that designs the video strips for their slots, maybe some of the program.

Let me ask you this folks: if an operator controls the "can" (the box that the server runs out of) can the server, software be reversed engineered to be gaffed? What I mean is that the casino software can come from the manufacturer as "clean", BUT, if a casino has the money, they can find a software engineer who is capable of rewriting certain code to contain algorithms that will absolutely exclude certain combinations from ever occurring. There are clear instances of this.....go play any of the Mighty Slots group and you will get a sense of what I mean. Jerky reels that never seem to land right, bonus rounds that are clearly a done deal, but yet, find a way to jump up or down. For money, there are lots of guys out there who can make such events happen...or not. Some of you might say, well nobody would ever play there if that was happening. Well, throw a ridiculous bonus at people, who are naturally greedy or tempted and voila, the casinos tray them.
 
Has anyone alerted Nicolas to this thread? Maybe he can give us some insight.

Nate

It's the end of the weekend in the USA. I'm sure he will be along and I look forward to it. He's pretty much the only thing this casino has going for it, in my book. I'd give him casino manager of the year, as a person and for the job he does. Obviously, there are issues bigger than him and I can't expect him to shoulder that.
 
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Nicolas is good value - a great manager wasted IMO.

In reference to operators being able to 'hire' or 'bribe' software specialists to reverse engineer games and tamper with the source code.....I have to say I sincerely doubt it.

I can't see RTG or any other software provider making it possible in any way to alter or manipulate their proprietary product. In fact, I dare say there are mechanisms in place to prevent that from occurring. RTG might have their issues, but they would be out of business in a week if they couldn't protect their property.

Dogmeister might be able to confirm/deny this if he is able.

Since the games are set at 91%, and the bonuses are ridiculous, I don't see why anyone would want to play there in any case. It might explain the difficulties experienced in actually winning.

Club World set their games at 95% so they would be a far better option.
 
Non payment

I managed to withdraw on a big bonus, on the 31/12. I have not been paid despite contacting and getting a reply from Nicolas. What are you doing with this casino Nicolas.
 
The general state of things is such that it would not surprise me if Nicolas felt he'd rather not respond. What could he really say? It's just a can of worms. I feel for the guy and I have a feeling that he is not the person accountable to us for the way things are, the way his upper management chooses to run the business end. He would be better suited to a better casino.
 
BetPhoenix

Re: BetPhoenix -

I started playing the free tourneys and then admit the 600-900% bonus was enticing enough to get me to deposit.

Earlier today I deposited $150 @ 900% ($1,350) = $1500. Made it through the WR and ended up with $2,198. So net profit was good. It will be my first cash out from their site, so I am tracking it closely. But then my first cashout any any new casino, I watch closely. Deposit was through QT which is my requested method of withdrawal also.

At this point I have nothing to complain about at all. But if it starts to go south, I will report back. Likewise if it goes smooth, I will post that also.


Diane

I took the same bonus and got it up to over $4000 and of course they told me I can only take $975 and I'm still waiting on that since the 7th. They said it takes 7 to 10 days to process. I have gotten 5 cashouts with clubworld equaling more than what I am still waiting for. I hope we both get our money. Anyone know the casinos that cashout out in a day or two???:confused:
 
Still have not received the money. Live chat say there is nothing they can do for me. I have to contact the elusive Sam.
I dont expect to get paid now, that 14 business days.
Yet another casino to get ripped off.
$325 cash out lost
 
BetPhoenix's entire cashier system is down and has been all day......

Per live chat -- should be back up within a few hours.

No, I wasn't trying to put any money IN --- just played a free tourney and wanted to check on the status of my pending withdrawal. But I am only on business day 3 following my w/d request so I don't expect anything until late next week at the earliest or maybe never. But I will remain slightly optimistic until I know for sure. As of right now this is my first withdrawal attempt.

Will see how it plays out.
 
Still have not received the money. Live chat say there is nothing they can do for me. I have to contact the elusive Sam.
I dont expect to get paid now, that 14 business days.
Yet another casino to get ripped off.
$325 cash out lost

I talked to Sam once last summer, seemed easy enough to deal with. Give it a go.
 
I don't understand why people keep supporting places like this who couldn't be bothered paying out in a reasonable timeframe.

If they can't pay you within 48 hours they don't care about you as a customer - pure and simple.

Nifty, this is not an arguement - I am just pointing something out to you here.

but you are from Australia, right? That means you can play just about any casino that you want. In America we are very limited to what casinos are available to us. Mostly Rivals and RTG other than English harbour group. So we don't have the luxury of playing at intercasino or 32Red.

That may be the part that you don't understand as per your post above. its just that we CANT play the really good casinos.
 
Nifty, this is not an arguement - I am just pointing something out to you here.

but you are from Australia, right? That means you can play just about any casino that you want. In America we are very limited to what casinos are available to us. Mostly Rivals and RTG other than English harbour group. So we don't have the luxury of playing at intercasino or 32Red.

That may be the part that you don't understand as per your post above. its just that we CANT play the really good casinos.


We also dont have the withdrawal options that our friends elsewhere have. They should change places with us for awhile and then just maybe they would have a clearer picture as to why we get a bit bent out of shape sometimes, its not easy for any US player at the moment and yes we do envy the fact that you all can play at 32 Red and other cool casinos that we used to be able to until our Goverment decided we needed babysitting in the comfort and privacy of our own homes.

The US is a huge market and our Goverment is the ones that are losing out in all that tax revenue they could be bringing in so until they get their heads out of their asses we are limited to a few good casinos that have not kicked us to the curb and still value our custom.

Laurie
 
I don't understand why people keep supporting places like this who couldn't be bothered paying out in a reasonable timeframe.

If they can't pay you within 48 hours they don't care about you as a customer - pure and simple.

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Why? I can only speak for myself.

I started playing the free tournaments and decided to try the "juicy" bonuses400-600 and then the 900% bonus. This was the first time I won, so my first attempt at cashing out. I did not know there was a problem. I don't research every place to the nth degree ------If it doesn't work for some reason, then I won't go back. But it was worth a shot for me.

So far I am not complaining since I am still within their stated payout timeframe. But I am watching the calendar. Am I putting any more more IN, no, of course not. Will I put any money in if I don't get paid within stated terms (per the emailed chats....) NO.

I may not play again if I get paid due to long time associated with withdrawals compared to the other sites that turn my withdrawals around in 1-3 business days max. But sometimes you just decide to "try".

Diane
 
Hi Guys,

First, I'll thank the kinds words spoken of me; it is an honor; truly :notworthy


Now, regarding BetPhoenixCasino. I see several sub-topics within this thread. So let me try to address them one by one, as I think I will be able to get to each point more effectively this way:


1- Bonuses With High Restrictions/Low Comps

We have created ways for players to enjoy bonuses comps, each targeted to different player types:
A- High Bonuses, High Restrictions, Low Comps
Huge bonuses like 900% and such must come with a max cashout and low comps, we couldn't offer such high bonuses otherwise. They are designed for players to maximize playing time.
B- Lower Bonuses, Lower restrictions
We have no max cashout bonuses, low playthrough and cashable bonuses, but with low bonus %s. They are intended for players that want an extended bankroll, but not be tied into severe restrictions.
C- No Bonuses, 10% Cash Back + Good Comps
For players that don't want any restrictions, we offer cash back and high comps. This option is available at the player's request.


2- Countries with Restrictions

I'm really sorry, but that is something our risk management guys have determined is necessary. I'm not able to get this changed. It is nothing personal, and if anything it is a complement on the playing skills of people from those jurisdictions. And yes, there are ways of playing to maximize cash outs even with slots. I'm not allowed to post how, but it is hardly a secret and there are known techniques to many here.


3- Payout Time Frames
This is something we need to lower, but for the time being, we will leave our time frames as are. We will do all that is possible to ensure players receive payment within stated time frames, and with few exceptions, this has happened.


4- Regarding RTP,
I'm looking into this, I want players to be happy. :notworthy


@ snoddy
Sorry for the delay in reply.

@ Laurie,
Thanks for pointing me to this thread, I really appreciate it :)

@ everyone,
Sorry for the delay in addressing this thread. Thanks for bringing up your concerns, they are important to us and we recognize the need to address any issues accordingly.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Bet Phoenix Casino Affiliate Manager
 
Nicolas, please take what you learn from threads like these and work to make this the best casino on the net. I know you can, I believe in YOU. They've got the right guy, now they need to give you some power! That said, the way things have been are not gonna cut it, but you already know that. BTW, thanks for listening to us! :)
 
Thank you Nicolas for addressing the concerns that we've had in this thread. You really are a class act, and I certainly hope BetPhoenixCasino can compete with the best of them in the future. :thumbsup:
 
Nifty, this is not an arguement - I am just pointing something out to you here.

but you are from Australia, right? That means you can play just about any casino that you want. In America we are very limited to what casinos are available to us. Mostly Rivals and RTG other than English harbour group. So we don't have the luxury of playing at intercasino or 32Red.

That may be the part that you don't understand as per your post above. its just that we CANT play the really good casinos.

Ummm...who's arguing???

If I was arguing I would have challenged someone else's opinion or said they were wrong. I didn't. I just stated my opinion which has never been any different.

When I say "paid within 48 hours " I mean released via whatever payment method they have chosen. How long it takes to actually reach you is beyond the casinos control.

However there is NO good reason why the payment can't be processed in that timeframe and that is what I'm getting at - if they WANTED to they WOULD.

Anyway, you are all talking like there's only BP and one or two others for US players to play at......this is not the case. What about inetbet and club world and bet on soft casinos like lucky creek etc - they all process payouts within 48 hours and quite often less

I'm saying that by accepting 4-5 day timeframes you are accepting an inferior service. - and you don't have to.

Nicolas is a good guy. He just keeps backing the wrong horse IMO.
 
Hi Guys,

First, I'll thank the kinds words spoken of me; it is an honor; truly :notworthy


Now, regarding BetPhoenixCasino. I see several sub-topics within this thread. So let me try to address them one by one, as I think I will be able to get to each point more effectively this way:
this thread, I really appreciate it :)

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Bet Phoenix Casino Affiliate Manager

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Nicholas,
I do not know you, nor have I had any contact with you, but your participation and willingness to answer questions is greatly appreciated.

One topic that was NOT addressed yesterday is the problem that is currently going on with your cashier system. Since yesterday morning we have been unable to view any of the cashier data due to technical difficulties (I was quoted this by your chat rep). I was told yesterday that it would be up and running by last evening and that as a result withdrawals were being delayed.

I just checked again a few minutes ago, same problem, no access to any cashier info and live chat said it was unknown when it would be operational.

Naturally we all get nervous when these things happen. Can you give us an update on the issues. Will it impact pending withdrawals?

Thanks
Diane
 
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Nicholas,
I do not know you, nor have I had any contact with you, but your participation and willingness to answer questions is greatly appreciated.

One topic that was NOT addressed yesterday is the problem that is currently going on with your cashier system. Since yesterday morning we have been unable to view any of the cashier data due to technical difficulties (I was quoted this by your chat rep). I was told yesterday that it would be up and running by last evening and that as a result withdrawals were being delayed.

I just checked again a few minutes ago, same problem, no access to any cashier info and live chat said it was unknown when it would be operational.

Naturally we all get nervous when these things happen. Can you give us an update on the issues. Will it impact pending withdrawals?

Thanks
Diane

OMG, is it the 'check your licence' thing again?
Thats not the first time.

Tsk tsk, casino's should NOT use cracked software!:p


Thanks for your input Nicholas, and find yourself a better place to work for.
They dont deserve you!
 
Nicholas,
The cashier system is still down, with now Monday being quoted as when it will be back up. I have sent you both a PM and an email requesting assistance without reply.

I have sent two emails to [email protected] per instructions from your live chat. No response.

Today I asked live chat for a number that I could use to contact the payouts department and was told that "they would contact me".

I am getting concerned. Can you provide an update either here or to me privately due to my 2 prior contacts with you?

Thank you,

Diane




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post snipped for brevity.

Nicholas,
I do not know you, nor have I had any contact with you, but your participation and willingness to answer questions is greatly appreciated.

One topic that was NOT addressed yesterday is the problem that is currently going on with your cashier system. Since yesterday morning we have been unable to view any of the cashier data due to technical difficulties (I was quoted this by your chat rep). I was told yesterday that it would be up and running by last evening and that as a result withdrawals were being delayed.

I just checked again a few minutes ago, same problem, no access to any cashier info and live chat said it was unknown when it would be operational.

Naturally we all get nervous when these things happen. Can you give us an update on the issues. Will it impact pending withdrawals?

Thanks
Diane
 
Since no one else is posting about cashier problems, is it just the payout area that is down? Are they taking deposits still?

I chatted with Nicolas yesterday and there are no depositing or withdrawals going in or out until they have the cashier upgraded, this is very upsetting to the Casino players and Nicolas, he does strive to always put the players first and his hands are tied at the moment.

He will be updating the forum as to what happened as soon as the issue is fixed, we know that Nicolas is forum friendly and doesnt shy away from questions, so lets just see what happens Monday as I have complete respect in what he says.

Laurie
 
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Since no one else is posting about cashier problems, is it just the payout area that is down? Are they taking deposits still?

I don't know why no one else has posted about this -- board was unusually quiet which is why I brought it back up again earlier today. Cashier feature has been inoperable for days.

But per live chat there were "no delays" with pending withdrawals....but then no responses to emails, which is why I took the approach that I did. I tried Nicholas via PM and private email without a response so far. But then again he doesn't know me as I am a relatively new player at BetPhoenix a few deposits and then this is my first attempt at withdrawal requested 1/16. So I am really only at 5 business days and counting.....

I gave kudos to Nicholas for his post earlier in the thread, but no mention was made of the shutdown of the cashier function which has already happened at the time he posted (If I remember correctly)

I continue to watch and wait.

Diane
 
A big issue like your cashier being down tends to effect a casino's operation pretty heavily. Diane, have you provided the casino with the completed cashback form and copies of your ID and a recent utility bill? You will also need copies of any credit cards you used to deposit.

There's a link for the authorization form on this page:
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.


You don't want to be contacted at the end of five days with this request if you haven't already sent stuff in. You can at least get it ready.
 
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Nicholas,
The cashier system is still down, with now Monday being quoted as when it will be back up. I have sent you both a PM and an email requesting assistance without reply.

I have sent two emails to [email protected] per instructions from your live chat. No response.

Today I asked live chat for a number that I could use to contact the payouts department and was told that "they would contact me".

I am getting concerned. Can you provide an update either here or to me privately due to my 2 prior contacts with you?

Thank you,

Diane

I made a withdrawal request from BetPhoenix on the 7th/8th and have been getting the run around. They told me 7-10 business days then came Friday and I talked with Omar was also told to email that same address and still no reply. This is my first withdrawal and the experience playing was great I was ready to put some of my winnings back into their casino until now. I even asked if there was a delay and he just simply didnt respond so after 5 minutes I gave up. I hope this $975 isn't going down the drain. :mad:
 
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