BetAt permanently closed my account...

[GregariousG]

Hello Mesiters & Meisterettes!

I'm a high roller and when I get bored of Playtech Casinos and their platform wide copy and paste responses, I often come to Casinomeister to check out the new and accredited Casino's on the block. I take your recommendations with a grain of salt but generally dive into the depend.

I recently joined BetAt, deposited £2,784.00 over a period of a few days and received £450 which, to be honest, was like trying to get blood from a stone. I'm a blackjack player and although it was entertaining, luck certainly wasn't on my side. I expressed this to a customer service agent and without bonus begging or making outlandish comments I asked to have my account closed due to bad luck.

I then went on to receive an email saying that unless I informed them of the type of closure I wanted, they would permanently close my account and so I said that I certainly didn't want that to happen and a few emails later they informed me my account was closed permanently. I know they can do this but when I asked why this was the case, I wasn't even given the polite respect of a reason as to why such action was taken.

I was nothing but polite to everyone at BetAt (as I always am when it comes to any form of customer support) and expressed no indication of gaming issues and bonus abuse on Blackjack is impossible to say the least.

I really hate my first post being a 'Bitch and Moan' but I was just shocked at such action being taken on my account and wanted to express my sincere disappointment and what I thought was the start of good relationship after I got over my initial burns.

Irregardless of this I do want to thank you all for providing a source where people like myself can come and find trustworthy information on where to play and where to avoid.

Kudos to you all!

 

[Dinahnana]

You can contact Betats rep https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/ and detail your issues so that they can look into it. I only know what you wrote but I wouldn't think Betat would close someones account without good reason.

Cheers

 

[GregariousG]

You can contact Betats rep https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/ and detail your issues so that they can look into it. I only know what you wrote but I wouldn't think Betat would close someones account without good reason.

Cheers

As a seasoned gamer, I know this to generally be the case. After confirming I didn't want my account closed and questioning as to why they were being so demanding in an answer I replied 'Don't close it' and received this response:

Hi GregariousG,


Following a review of the correspondence between yourself and the Casino, a decision has been reached to close your account permanently. The closure of your account takes effect immediately.

We thank you for the time spent at BETAT and wish you all the best in the future.



Regards,

BETAT Customer Support

 

[dunover]

As a seasoned gamer, I know this to generally be the case. After confirming I didn't want my account closed and questioning as to why they were being so demanding in an answer I replied 'Don't close it' and received this response:

I'd say it was a responsible gaming decision. Bet-at are not greed-and-suck merchants like some sites. You've made big deposits in a short period, and your contact with them immediately after losing was negative, and many gamblers don't like to admit they are hurting from a loss and dress it up as something else. I'd say they have acted in your interests after reviewing your play and subsequent correspondence. As they have a right to do.

I had an account there and I set deposit limits first IIRC. Like you I had a bad run as soon as I joined (nothing like yours I remember roughly £2-300-ish and closed my account not for problem gaming issues but in a pique of frustration. A mistake I've made a few times before, closing accounts at good sites then wishing I hadn't. To this day it remains closed, and I can't even remember how I did it, asked CS to do a 'permanent' or used the take-a-break facility on my account. Anyway, they are quite strict on this and fall on the side of player protection if in any doubt.

 

[Dinahnana]

Contact the rep. Maybe he can offer assistance? Betat support here is amazing. https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/
Explain the situation in detail and they will treat you fairly.

 

[GregariousG]

Thanks for the responses guys. I work in this industry and I'm fully GamCare trained. I have to say, I take their action toward me extremely offensively but I've never been rude nor standoffish to them regarding it.

My reply to their permanent closure notification was:

What? Why?

I've never asked for it to be closed permanently - does asking for a bonus really get ones account closed at BetAt?

The bonus comment was as I'd previously spoken to an agent about the Welcome Bonus which I didn't claim initially. I've contacted them via email asking why this action was taken and they didn't have the decency to even send a reply. I've never, ever been handled like this by any of the many casinos I play at.

 

[aceking123]

Thanks for the responses guys. I work in this industry and I'm fully GamCare trained. I have to say, I take their action toward me extremely offensively but I've never been rude nor standoffish to them regarding it.

My reply to their permanent closure notification was:



The bonus comment was as I'd previously spoken to an agent about the Welcome Bonus which I didn't claim initially. I've contacted them via email asking why this action was taken and they didn't have the decency to even send a reply. I've never, ever been handled like this by any of the many casinos I play at.

hi to be honest there pretty good outfit im sure igor will review this , ive had the same problem in the early stages of my account i did request a closure to much to my horror i got the same sort of e mail , stating that it had been closed upon request , this was purely my own fault as they did e mail with a request for length of time & why , i did not respond hence to them getting hassle

long story anyway i did contact them & they did sort out everything for me after & got my account reopened igor & the team were great

bonus couldnt realy tell you about , but if i ever ask for some free chips ,i can state 100% theyve always given one
so maybe theres a mix up , give them time & contact rep as others have pointed out .

 

[Jasminebed]

I think if you didn't request a specific period of time to close your account (i.e. take a break), then what you want is your account closed. They said your account was permanently closed, not that you were permanently excluded.

Are you certain that this means you cannot request it re-opened? Most casinos do have a minimum period before they will consider reopening an account. Some will even even say if you ever want to re-open your account, please ask when they send the confirmation email. Some don't send you any reply at all, just close your account.

As suggested, please contact one of the reps for Bet-at. I am sure no offense was meant, and it probably an issue with the wording used, permanent as opposed to temporary.

 

[GregariousG]

Hey Jasmine, thanks for your comment.

When they informed me they would have to permanently close my account if I didn't specify a time that it would be permanently closed, I emailed them back within minutes saying don't close the account then. Immediately following this they said that it was permanently closed as per the email pasted above.

 

[BETAT]

Looking into this now

 

[GregariousG]

Thanks. If it's easier for me to log onto live chat to discuss this then I'm happy to do so, what ever is easiest and most efficient.

 

[BETAT]

Frankly, it's best to pull up live chat first in these situations, and follow their advice from there, be it sending an email or elevating the issue to another party. I'm always around, but sometimes posts slip by, so when you do post, be sure to pm me or flag me to your concerns so they don't go unnoticed.
Support is online now and always happy to help out.

If you don't receive the answers you're looking for, by all means, send me a message.

 

[GregariousG]

To be honest I didn't see the point, I sent an email straight after I was abruptly informed of the closure and it was ignored - No response was sent. The fact that it took a post here to have the issue acknowledged is bad enough.

 

[BETAT]

Not receiving an immediate response doesn't mean your email was ignored. Support deals with literally hundreds of calls and emails. Some issues have to go higher up the ladder as well.
Which is why we have live support - so you can get quicker, more immediate responses, whether theyre to hang tight while we're gathering information on your account or pull up your file then and there.

Also, you posted here, so I'm assuming you wanted a response. In turn, I'm trying to aid you as best I can.

 

[GregariousG]

Not receiving an immediate response doesn't mean your email was ignored. Support deals with literally hundreds of calls and emails. Some issues have to go higher up the ladder as well.
Which is why we have live support - so you can get quicker, more immediate responses, whether theyre to hang tight while we're gathering information on your account or pull up your file then and there.

I really don't think the perceived attitude in your previous comment was conducive to any sort of resolution. The last email I sent was at 12:20 UK time on the 12th of April and no response was received despite the email being a direct question so please don't try to make this seem as if by posting here or expecting a response by now that I was being in anyway unreasonable.

While I appreciate that support deal with a lot of contact, the average response time to every single other email was always within an hour.

 

[BETAT]

If you feel there's an attitude I apologize. I'm simply saying, I'm here now. Support is online now. I encourage you to open it and receive the immediate response you're looking for, and in turn, if you don't receive the response you're looking for, I'm still here to elevate your issue.

I only just received notice of your issue these past few moments. You're welcome at any time to pm. That's why I'm here.

 

[Igor82]

May I have your username on our site please? I would sincerely like to look into your case.

Thank you

Hello Mesiters & Meisterettes!

I'm a high roller and when I get bored of Playtech Casinos and their platform wide copy and paste responses, I often come to Casinomeister to check out the new and accredited Casino's on the block. I take your recommendations with a grain of salt but generally dive into the depend.

I recently joined BetAt, deposited £2,784.00 over a period of a few days and received £450 which, to be honest, was like trying to get blood from a stone. I'm a blackjack player and although it was entertaining, luck certainly wasn't on my side. I expressed this to a customer service agent and without bonus begging or making outlandish comments I asked to have my account closed due to bad luck.

I then went on to receive an email saying that unless I informed them of the type of closure I wanted, they would permanently close my account and so I said that I certainly didn't want that to happen and a few emails later they informed me my account was closed permanently. I know they can do this but when I asked why this was the case, I wasn't even given the polite respect of a reason as to why such action was taken.

I was nothing but polite to everyone at BetAt (as I always am when it comes to any form of customer support) and expressed no indication of gaming issues and bonus abuse on Blackjack is impossible to say the least.

I really hate my first post being a 'Bitch and Moan' but I was just shocked at such action being taken on my account and wanted to express my sincere disappointment and what I thought was the start of good relationship after I got over my initial burns.

Irregardless of this I do want to thank you all for providing a source where people like myself can come and find trustworthy information on where to play and where to avoid.

Kudos to you all!

 

[GregariousG]

Igor, thank you. I've sent you a PM with my email address and the case ID.

 

[Igor82]

Hi All

All,

I will be bringing this thread to Bryan's attention. This is an employee of a highly acclaimed casino competitor on here. I already knew this from the original post but needed confirmation of his username.

The OP came many times on our support chat in first few days, and tried very hard to entice a response from my staff. On many occasion the Support responses seemed mis-read and twisted almost on purpose - very similar to posts 15 and 16 on this very thread. The customer seemed as if he had a bone to pick. We looked into his behaviour with a raised eyebrow at which point we did a background check and we realised he worked for a competitor.

At this point I suspected dirty tactics were at play to entice an impatient or rude response, and have a subject matter to complain about; and as such I used our right to close a clients account (no money is of course in dispute) and did so. It is important to note that this came as a response to the customer requesting permanent closure and as such we were obliged to do so. We chose, as was our right to not reopen the account however.

Unfortunately, the OP felt he should post with little he has and try to put a dent on our reputation. I see this post about having an account closed, in conjunction with the nature of his communication with us, something with a possible agenda.

I will be involving Bryan into this thread, as the OP should have most definitely stated that he works for competition before creating an alternate account. If he did it on his own accord, he should be reprimanded at work - I'd personally fire you sir, on the spot - if this is done as par of company strategy, then their accreditation and acclaim need a serious re-think.

Shameful and shocking tactics, IMO.

Igor

 

[Igor82]

Data Protection

I was made aware the OP is concerned about his data protection. Rightfully so, we will not disclose any information to any third party, however OP - if you have opened multiple accounts with purpose to state this claim Bryan will find out. This kind of behaviour is nothing to consider lightly - this forum is based on fairness and honesty, amongst igaming reps most of all.

 

[GregariousG]

I play as a private person and game as a private person. I'm honestly shocked at this as all I wanted was a reply. My gaming is private and personal to me and though there was some confusion over different terminology I don't understand the response to this.

I'm honestly shocked. I just wanted to know why my account was closed at a Casino I played at.

 

[Igor82]

I play as a private person and game as a private person. I'm honestly shocked at this as all I wanted was a reply. My gaming is private and personal to me and though there was some confusion over different terminology I don't understand the response to this.

I'm honestly shocked. I just wanted to know why my account was closed at a Casino I played at.

As per our phonecall, as a representative of an igaming industry, you have an innate responsibility to follow the basic parameters of professional respect. Not only have you failed in reaching out to our staff privately and as such breaching CM rules as outlined, but you likewise did not represent yourself as a person that may possibly not have a completely objective view, which is misleading to the audience.

I have my doubts about your transparency on the matter and will take necessary steps to appropriately look into the same.

Kind regards

Igor

 

[mathsboy1975]

All,

I will be bringing this thread to Bryan's attention. This is an employee of a highly acclaimed casino competitor on here. I already knew this from the original post but needed confirmation of his username.

This thread does not concern me at all (I was just browsing recent threads), but I have to say that I am somewhat unnerved by the fact that you are able to identify the employer of the OP. Do all casinos have the ability to obtain this kind of private information about their customers? If so is it commonplace to do this kind of background checking on people?

I like BetAt and I find them to be a quality outfit but I find this notion extremely worrying as not all casinos are as reputable and I would hate to think that they are able to obtain such private data.

 

[Igor82]

This thread does not concern me at all (I was just browsing recent threads), but I have to say that I am somewhat unnerved by the fact that you are able to identify the employer of the OP. Do all casinos have the ability to obtain this kind of private information about their customers? If so is it commonplace to do this kind of background checking on people?

I like BetAt and I find them to be a quality outfit but I find this notion extremely worrying as not all casinos are as reputable and I would hate to think that they are able to obtain such private data.

Frankly, in today's age much can be uncovered when there is need. That is not to say we go finishing for knowing every bit and detail about every person that crosses our door. It isn't necessary. To give you an example, it does not take an excessive amount of information to look up and find a person on "linked in" for instance.

In this case we had reason to delve into the nature of the conversations we were seeing develop, my staff approached me with relevant findings and we acted upon such.

in honesty, we cant find anything that a person does not put up publicly to be found through 45 minutes spent on Google.

 

[mathsboy1975]

Frankly, in today's age much can be uncovered when there is need. That is not to say we go finishing for knowing every bit and detail about every person that crosses our door. It isn't necessary. To give you an example, it does not take an excessive amount of information to look up and find a person on "linked in" for instance.

In this case we had reason to delve into the nature of the conversations we were seeing develop, my staff approached me with relevant findings and we acted upon such.

in honesty, we cant find anything that a person does not put up publicly to be found through 45 minutes spent on Google.

LinkedIn!! Of course - I had forgotten all about that even though I have an account myself. And there I was getting my paranoia hat on about it all - thanks for clearing that up.

 

[The Dude]

There is also Facebook as well. If the casino has your name, it's a matter of a 30 second search and there's your Facebook account - and an employer is listed there as well - to include your friends and acquaintances.

Back to this issue, the OP is violating our policies for i-gaming reps:

...i-Gaming reps will at all times conduct themselves in a professional manner. Your presence here is to provide players and affiliates with information, and to assist our members when need be. Your account will be closed if you attack someone else's business, exploit the board for marketing purposes, poach players - or any other conduct the staff deems unbecoming of an i-Gaming representative...

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum-faq/forum-policies/

It doesn't make a difference to me if it's a civilian account or not. A rep is a rep - starting complaint threads against a competitor is not only in bad form, it's unacceptable.

 

[rshkrn]

I'd say it was a responsible gaming decision. Bet-at are not greed-and-suck merchants like some sites. You've made big deposits in a short period, and your contact with them immediately after losing was negative, and many gamblers don't like to admit they are hurting from a loss and dress it up as something else. I'd say they have acted in your interests after reviewing your play and subsequent correspondence. As they have a right to do.

A great move on their part indeed if that was the reason....!!

 

[Jasminebed]

Well, I guess this was not a matter of permanent just not meaning as opposed to temporary.

Any casino has a right to terminate an account they don't owe funds on at any time for any reason, and without explanation.

I've had exemplary support from Betat personally, so of course my instinct was it was a communication issue.

Betat and Igor in particular has been one of the most transparent operators out there, and I for one appreciate that.

No one can play at their employer, and I appreciate that many reps play at their competitors. In fact, I'm more comfortable knowing that a rep has experience from the player side of things.

But the OP should have had enough respect for this forum to contact the rep, well knowing how this forum and its rules worked before starting such a thread.

 

[alexking12k]

I think if you didn't request a specific period of time to close your account (i.e. take a break), then what you want is your account closed. They said your account was permanently closed, not that you were permanently excluded.

Are you certain that this means you cannot request it re-opened? Most casinos do have a minimum period before they will consider reopening an account. Some will even even say if you ever want to re-open your account, please ask when they send the confirmation email. Some don't send you any reply at all, just close your account.

As suggested, please contact one of the reps for Bet-at. I am sure no offense was meant, and it probably an issue with the wording used, permanent as opposed to temporary.

Sportbet (5Dimes) will reopen an account even 1 minute after closing it and they don't have the self exclusion policy. Responsible gambling at its best.

 

[Azzurri]

I think the op's employer should be named if it was a genuine attempt to discredit Betat. As players, I think we have a right to know, as if these are the type of tactics they employ against their competitors, then God knows what shady tactics they are using against customers.

Name and shame I say. They didn't think twice about trying to shame Betat for no reason, so why should their identity be protected, or respect?

 

[chuchu59]

I think the op's employer should be named if it was a genuine attempt to discredit Betat. As players, I think we have a right to know, as if these are the type of tactics they employ against their competitors, then God knows what shady tactics they are using against customers.

Name and shame I say. They didn't think twice about trying to shame Betat for no reason, so why should their identity be protected, or respect?

Not yet. The burden of proof is on Betat to show that the op's employer really did genuinely attempt to discredit Betat. If there is insufficient proof it could well backfire.

 

[Manesh123]

Not yet. The burden of proof is on Betat to show that the op's employer really did genuinely attempt to discredit Betat. If there is insufficient proof it could well backfire.

I'm dying to know which casino this was! That's a lame tactic.

 

[Dinahnana]

It would take a lot more than 1 or 2 disgruntled players to discredit Betat. In fact the way Betat conducts themselves I'd be willing to lay a bet on the impossibility of discrediting them. They do everything the right way consistently. Plus they are honest and transparent in their dealings here on the forum.
For now naming the competitor could be a very bad idea since they may not have known about the OP's attempt to discredit them. Employees sometimes do things on their own.This is conjecture on my part

 

[Manesh123]

Tactic or not despite the title, this thread has brought me nothing but respect for BetAt. First impressions and perceptions are the most important IMO. And BetAt proved that on my very first deposit. My CC got rejected as I deposited using VPN, not only they credited my account with the deposit which never cleared on their end but they also matched it 100%. This to me is really going above and beyond to give a first time customer. This is a kind of place I feel truly earns customers hard earned cash and respect. Kudos BetAt!

 

[lotusch]

Just reading up on the thread and what a shocking outcome..
Also wondering to what reputable casino this person is linked..
Seriously bad manners and unacceptable behaviour..

Kudos to BetAt..

 

[mclee321]

What a cock.

As soon as I read the snotty, passive aggressive original post I knew the OP was full of shite.

Anytime you see overly polite, faux-angst language like "oooooh, it was shocking", prepare for your bullshitometer needle to hit 11.

Poor execution and plan OP. Perhaps next time (if you still have a job, heh), you might not want to phrase your lies like a character from Downton Abbey

 

[rshkrn]

So the casino paid the employee to deposit and then once the deposit was lost........throw around tantrums to make betat response and customer service look bad??

 

[maphesto]

So the casino paid the employee to deposit and then once the deposit was lost........throw around tantrums to make betat response and customer service look bad??

Or, the casino wasn't aware at all, he acted on his own and was totally clueless.

I hope we find out the truth!

 

[mclee321]

I play as a private person and game as a private person. I'm honestly shocked at this as all I wanted was a reply. My gaming is private and personal to me and though there was some confusion over different terminology I don't understand the response to this.

I'm honestly shocked. I just wanted to know why my account was closed at a Casino I played at.

Oh, and this above. As such a private person, why feel the need to vomit out this (non) issue onto a forum read by countless thousands?

It must have seemed like such a great idea at the time. Hilarious.

 

[Captain Chaos]

This has to be an early contender for Faceplant of 2014! Spectacular fail by the OP here!

 

[rshkrn]

maybe the casino has ongoing internal promotions like whoever will discredit the competition most effectively wins the Employee of the month......

 

[rena35]

I scanned threw the posts and read the opening post, fishy indeed.

 

[coxwel]

FAILED bigtime!

The guys @ betat really handle their biz in a professional manner, which shows in many little details, i like!

If this was really planned by a competitor, what a lowlife tactic. But maybe they learn something by playing on betat, most important probably, if you run your casino easy,professional, upfront and with ethically standards theres no need for any bs like what happened here.


cheers

 

[Dinahnana]

Well what's telling is that the OP joined CM April 24th and last activity listed in profile was April 25th. If what Igor says is not true then you would think the OP would be defending himself. The fact he didn't proves that Igor is right IMHO. BTW I believe what Igor says because he has to be one of the most transparent casino managers out there and has a high level of integrity.

 

[dunover]

I can't why this thread continues. Due to the OP's behaviour, Bet-at barred him. As it their right to do so. Nobody is disputing that that I can see. If I ran a pub and he came in and played up, I would bar him, wouldn't want him as a customer. End of and get over it!

We don't need to know what casino this person was associated with, and I credit Bet-at with being discreet and not publicising the casino too and making hay from the situation.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I can't why this thread continues. Due to the OP's behaviour, Bet-at barred him. As it their right to do so. Nobody is disputing that that I can see. If I ran a pub and he came in and played up, I would bar him, wouldn't want him as a customer. End of and get over it!

We don't need to know what casino this person was associated with, and I credit Bet-at with being discreet and not publicising the casino too and making hay from the situation.

We DO need to know the casino if they put him up to it as a way to smear a competitor. At the very least, closure would mean banning the OP from the forum, as would happen to any newbie who came here with an agenda to smear a casino through misrepresenting a situation, and/or "setting them up" so as to produce such a situation.

Perhaps it's determining who is ultimately responsible that is taking the time, because if this was merely a personal vendetta or agenda by a rogue employee, the casino would not be responsible. It would of course be "misconduct", and one would expect workplace disciplinary proceedings for bringing his employer's business into disrepute.

 

[dunover]

We DO need to know the casino if they put him up to it as a way to smear a competitor. At the very least, closure would mean banning the OP from the forum, as would happen to any newbie who came here with an agenda to smear a casino through misrepresenting a situation, and/or "setting them up" so as to produce such a situation.

Perhaps it's determining who is ultimately responsible that is taking the time, because if this was merely a personal vendetta or agenda by a rogue employee, the casino would not be responsible. It would of course be "misconduct", and one would expect workplace disciplinary proceedings for bringing his employer's business into disrepute.

'IF' they put him up to it! We have no evidence either way, and regardless I'm sure bet-at would have already informed Bryan with what they know and this would be dealt with behind the scenes appropriately as CM sees fit. In fact I'm pretty sure by now that if the casino in question was playing silly-buggers, being accredited they'd have had a public censure. I think this thread is little more than loser's remorse from a player who happens to work for another site. Unfortunately it's brought the torch and pitchfork lot out.

 

[Igor82]

We're not commenting as there is very little that can be commented on and unfortunately, no answers will find you at any time soon.

If we disclose the information we have to Bryan we will be breaching Privacy Laws in respect of the player, which even if with good reason is unjustified. We will not breach our own rules for end gain - every player deserves the respect and protection of law. I think that is as respectful toward you as much as toward the OP.

Best we could do is inform Bryan to conduct his own investigation which created a short-list but did not pin-point the competitor and moving forward without absolute knowledge of who and how is equal to a witch-hunt and would bear no fruit. The OP never came back to clear the matters after being found out which is sign enough...

From our side, we transparently published our findings, and let the rules dictate the course wherever they may lead. That's good enough for us.

Sorry to disappoint

Igor

 

[vinylweatherman]

We're not commenting as there is very little that can be commented on and unfortunately, no answers will find you at any time soon.

If we disclose the information we have to Bryan we will be breaching Privacy Laws in respect of the player, which even if with good reason is unjustified. We will not breach our own rules for end gain - every player deserves the respect and protection of law. I think that is as respectful toward you as much as toward the OP.

Best we could do is inform Bryan to conduct his own investigation which created a short-list but did not pin-point the competitor and moving forward without absolute knowledge of who and how is equal to a witch-hunt and would bear no fruit. The OP never came back to clear the matters after being found out which is sign enough...

From our side, we transparently published our findings, and let the rules dictate the course wherever they may lead. That's good enough for us.

Sorry to disappoint

Igor

This player clearly knows what he is doing, and is using privacy laws as something to hide behind in order to escape justice. The problem is that we now have a guessing game, one that will never be resolved, and there ARE clues to the possible identity of this competitor, even though these clues could lead to the wrong conclusion. It could result in an innocent casino getting tarred, with no means to defend themselves. I have already guessed who this other casino might be, but of course I can't be 100% certain. Others have probably also done so, and whether rightly or wrongly, the casino could suffer from players making their minds up based on the vague information available.

It's also possible that this will appear on other forums, and guesses will go public, even though here such speculation would be unwelcome.

In the absence of further progress, the best thing might be to ban the OP and close this thread, and let this blow over. It wouldn't be the first time a casino has tried smearing a competitor for it's own gain, and won't be the last. The unusual factor is that it has been disclosed that this is an accredited casino.

 

[coxwel]

We're not commenting as there is very little that can be commented on and unfortunately, no answers will find you at any time soon.

If we disclose the information we have to Bryan we will be breaching Privacy Laws in respect of the player, which even if with good reason is unjustified. We will not breach our own rules for end gain - every player deserves the respect and protection of law. I think that is as respectful toward you as much as toward the OP.

Best we could do is inform Bryan to conduct his own investigation which created a short-list but did not pin-point the competitor and moving forward without absolute knowledge of who and how is equal to a witch-hunt and would bear no fruit. The OP never came back to clear the matters after being found out which is sign enough...

From our side, we transparently published our findings, and let the rules dictate the course wherever they may lead. That's good enough for us.

Sorry to disappoint

Igor

Highly appreciate this attitude Disclosure of any player information would breach Privacy Laws and no matter what anybody did wrong or not, privacy laws are not to be taken away from anybody or overstepped, no reason which would ever justify this.

Its such an important thing which should never be taken for granted, esspecially in todays times. Compared for example to the US (no offense to any US residents) where you can look up the intenret if theres any criminal in your neighbourhood, which is totally inhuman and disgraceful as it spits on human rights in my opinion, in most countries of the EU this would be against the law, and this is good!

If casinos would start disclosing sensitive personal information on their own behalf, they wouldnt be any better than the one they assume to be misbehaving.


cheers
coxwel