Bet Victor Rogued?

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Okay I have deposited many times, today and yesterday at Bet Victor. I blew everything on Blackjack and almost each and everytime the dealer would have a face card or an ace. Everytime I opt for no insurance when a dealer has an Ace all of a sudden there is Blackjack and with the opposite the "dealer" doesn't have blackjack! This is Absolute Poker all over again. It did not matter which table I played in, I kept on busting. That's on or around $200 I will never get back! I am in a serious rage right now. Is Bet Victor really Rogued? Even on the slots Elements and Jack Hammer (1st or 2nd) the features were not hitting. There were just one missing scatter/freefall win from hitting the feature. I've been counting every spin to see how many times would appear in 2's or 1 scatter/win less from hitting a feature. So far for Elements, 13 times while spinning to get no feature out of it after 3 consecutive free falls and as for Jack Hammer 4 scatters would show up with no 5th scatter to trigger the 10 Free Spins...this happened the 7th time! I can't believe this! If I could somehow get back all my deposits, I'll leave this ugliness be.
 

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Deposit $200 more and play one hand of blackjack if you win youll be even and can stop the madness. But if you lose just deposit $400 more and play one more hand. sooner or later you will win one hand and be even
 

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Deposit $200 more and play one hand of blackjack if you win youll be even and can stop the madness. But if you lose just deposit $400 more and play one more hand. sooner or later you will win one hand and be even

I can't tell if your being sarcastic or being serious but I don't think I will do that. $200 was all I had to gamble in my Moneybookers account and even if I wanted to try your suggestion it might make it alot worse. I can see a cycle or a domino effect.
 

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I can't tell if your being sarcastic or being serious but I don't think I will do that. $200 was all I had to gamble in my Moneybookers account and even if I wanted to try your suggestion it might make it alot worse. I can see a cycle or a domino effect.

That was sarcasm at its finest. What you relayed here is something 99% of us have experienced. You did not say anything about the number of hands/spins you played and you seem interested in getting back your deposit which is gone. With gambling losses are distinctly possible though you are entitled to rant but suggesting that the casino may have been rogued is a bit too much simply based on your own experience.
 

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Okay I have deposited many times, today and yesterday at Bet Victor. I blew everything on Blackjack and almost each and everytime the dealer would have a face card or an ace. Everytime I opt for no insurance when a dealer has an Ace all of a sudden there is Blackjack and with the opposite the "dealer" doesn't have blackjack! This is Absolute Poker all over again. It did not matter which table I played in, I kept on busting. That's on or around $200 I will never get back! I am in a serious rage right now. Is Bet Victor really Rogued? Even on the slots Elements and Jack Hammer (1st or 2nd) the features were not hitting. There were just one missing scatter/freefall win from hitting the feature. I've been counting every spin to see how many times would appear in 2's or 1 scatter/win less from hitting a feature. So far for Elements, 13 times while spinning to get no feature out of it after 3 consecutive free falls and as for Jack Hammer 4 scatters would show up with no 5th scatter to trigger the 10 Free Spins...this happened the 7th time! I can't believe this! If I could somehow get back all my deposits, I'll leave this ugliness be.

I seriously hope you find another hobby...or spend some time understanding this one..because based on your standards, you're going to spend an awful lot of time being disappointed.
 

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Like other members, you haven't provided hand histories or the number or size of bets you made.

If you think about it, 5/12 times the Dealer will have a ten spot or an Ace.

If every casino was rogue because a player lost, there'd be nowhere left to play. It's when a player wins and doesn't get paid that rogue begins to be valid.

As far as I am aware, Bet Victor is fair, and we see few complaints about them.
 

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Like other members, you haven't provided hand histories or the number or size of bets you made.

If you think about it, 5/12 times the Dealer will have a ten spot or an Ace.

If every casino was rogue because a player lost, there'd be nowhere left to play. It's when a player wins and doesn't get paid that rogue begins to be valid.

As far as I am aware, Bet Victor is fair, and we see few complaints about them.

Can you tell me at least the casino before it turned into Bet Victor (Victor Chandler casino) if they were good or awful?
 

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I seriously hope you find another hobby...or spend some time understanding this one..because based on your standards, you're going to spend an awful lot of time being disappointed.

These are just small disappointments and by now I am way past it. I hear you and yes I hear that alot!

I could show my screenshots but I'm still trying to get used to being here on Casinomeister. Are screenshots allowed on this thread?
 

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These are just small disappointments and by now I am way past it. I hear you and yes I hear that alot!

I could show my screenshots but I'm still trying to get used to being here on Casinomeister. Are screenshots allowed on this thread?

Losing screenshots? I think we have all seen plenty of those. If you do want to post screenshots that suck then your in for a surprise, there is actually a thread called "screenshots that suck" under "screenshots-o-rama" in the main forum lobby.
 

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Okay I have deposited many times, today and yesterday at Bet Victor. I blew everything on Blackjack and almost each and everytime the dealer would have a face card or an ace. Everytime I opt for no insurance when a dealer has an Ace all of a sudden there is Blackjack and with the opposite the "dealer" doesn't have blackjack! This is Absolute Poker all over again. It did not matter which table I played in, I kept on busting. That's on or around $200 I will never get back! I am in a serious rage right now. Is Bet Victor really Rogued? Even on the slots Elements and Jack Hammer (1st or 2nd) the features were not hitting. There were just one missing scatter/freefall win from hitting the feature. I've been counting every spin to see how many times would appear in 2's or 1 scatter/win less from hitting a feature. So far for Elements, 13 times while spinning to get no feature out of it after 3 consecutive free falls and as for Jack Hammer 4 scatters would show up with no 5th scatter to trigger the 10 Free Spins...this happened the 7th time! I can't believe this! If I could somehow get back all my deposits, I'll leave this ugliness be.

Slots are slots are slots. You had a poor run, and could just as easily had a run of say 4 bonus rounds in 100 spins. As long as the RTP is met over the long term by the game or casino, that's just luck.

As for card games, I do sympathise. I never play them as they don't interest me and to me computer cards have never been the same as real-dealt cards. I tried blackjack ONCE at one online casino, 3 years ago. I played about 20 hands. Like you I observed the fact the dealer was so 'lucky' that he if human would surely win the lottery each and every weekend, and if he fell off of a high building would land on an open truck full of mattresses. It was as if the dealer had 26 10-Kings and 26 aces in each pack of 52 cards. It was so ridiculous I nearly wet myself laughing, and I have never played the card games since, and never will again. I could have been very unlucky, and it was an MG casino so I'm sure the game would have played out to RTP eventually, but the pseudo-cards were so insulting that even a player whose IQ was stamped on the insole of his shoes would pause for thought.

So, yes I understand your concern, but the game was just unlucky, not 'bent'.:mad:
 

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Losing screenshots? I think we have all seen plenty of those. If you do want to post screenshots that suck then your in for a surprise, there is actually a thread called "screenshots that suck" under "screenshots-o-rama" in the main forum lobby.

I wouldn't want to see them too as its gonna be a long series of losing screenies.
 

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As other say... its happened to 99% of us...

Blackjack used to be good to me years back, I barely had a bad losing streak on it.

In the last 3 years however my luck has run out and iv seen it all.

The worst was something like 20 losses in a row. I often experienced dealer having blackjack 3 or 4 times in a row, then beating me a further 3 or 4 times by having 4 or 5 card 21.

I really enjoyed that game, but then I became seriously unlucky at it. It would eat my winnings from slots in seconds or eat up a £200 deposit in a minute. I could of avoided playing it but I always have loved playing blackjack.

Now though during the last few months my luck is better than ever. I win every single time, gain so much money and never lose.... Yep iv kept the money in my bank account and quit gambling :). Just saw no point when I was spending £3000 worth of deposits over a few months and losing the lot, then I had a win of a few £100, then another few k put in with no withdrawals, then another few £100 withdraw. Better things to spend cash on
 

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These are just small disappointments and by now I am way past it. I hear you and yes I hear that alot!

I could show my screenshots but I'm still trying to get used to being here on Casinomeister. Are screenshots allowed on this thread?

post away with your screen shots )
 

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Losing screenshots? I think we have all seen plenty of those. If you do want to post screenshots that suck then your in for a surprise, there is actually a thread called "screenshots that suck" under "screenshots-o-rama" in the main forum lobby.

Actually they are "winning" screenshots that "don't suck". Wow being honest here is just another way for others to get caught in a spiders web.
 

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Slots are slots are slots. You had a poor run, and could just as easily had a run of say 4 bonus rounds in 100 spins. As long as the RTP is met over the long term by the game or casino, that's just luck.

As for card games, I do sympathise. I never play them as they don't interest me and to me computer cards have never been the same as real-dealt cards. I tried blackjack ONCE at one online casino, 3 years ago. I played about 20 hands. Like you I observed the fact the dealer was so 'lucky' that he if human would surely win the lottery each and every weekend, and if he fell off of a high building would land on an open truck full of mattresses. It was as if the dealer had 26 10-Kings and 26 aces in each pack of 52 cards. It was so ridiculous I nearly wet myself laughing, and I have never played the card games since, and never will again. I could have been very unlucky, and it was an MG casino so I'm sure the game would have played out to RTP eventually, but the pseudo-cards were so insulting that even a player whose IQ was stamped on the insole of his shoes would pause for thought.

So, yes I understand your concern, but the game was just unlucky, not 'bent'.:mad:

Well put dunover. Everything you said sounds very true and yeah I guess I was just unlucky. Don't you ever felt computer card games like Blackjack are somewhat rigged? There are at least cheaters in real life that tend to cheat in card games to change outcomes. As for slots, yeah they are random and they do pay at least some return, big or small.

I'll most likely play less of Blackjack or avoid them altogether. As with MG casinos I don't have anything on them. They are my all time favourites especially their multiplayer slots. Again well put
 

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As other say... its happened to 99% of us...


The worst was something like 20 losses in a row. I often experienced dealer having blackjack 3 or 4 times in a row, then beating me a further 3 or 4 times by having 4 or 5 card 21.

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Now that is the type of experience I had. The dealer would often have a 6 flipped over with a 10 or a face card then a 5 to complete it when I currently had two face cards for 20. It's more frustrating then fun.
 

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Deposit $200 more and play one hand of blackjack if you win youll be even and can stop the madness. But if you lose just deposit $400 more and play one more hand. sooner or later you will win one hand and be even

I was being serious, its called the martingale system.

Not a good advice.

Besides the gambling systems not being something efficient (otherwise the gambling business would exist to give profits to the players), it's not acceptable to recommend another player to chase his/her losses.
That can't be serious, at all.
 

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Not a good advice.

Besides the gambling systems not being something efficient (otherwise the gambling business would exist to give profits to the players), it's not acceptable to recommend another player to chase his/her losses.
That can't be serious, at all.

Very true, say he lost the next 5 hands in a row.
He's then betting $200 on the first bet
$400 on 2nd
$800 on 3rd
$1,600 on 4th
and the 5th bet of $3,200 all to win back his original $200?

The martingale system is for idiots with no understanding of maths or how casino games work.

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To the OP,please do NOT attempt the Martingale system.Is one of the worst systems ever devised and will lead to some seriously heavy losses if it goes wrong for you.
 

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To the OP,please do NOT attempt the Martingale system.Is one of the worst systems ever devised and will lead to some seriously heavy losses if it goes wrong for you.

The martingale is no worse nor better than any other system.
 

manuels58

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The martingale is no worse nor better than any other system.

That's true, bearing in mind that no gambling system is good... to the players.

But some pseudo-systems give more time to the player to lose a lot and others not so much... Martingale does that very quickly.

Not trying to repeat myself, but "No betting system can convert a subfair game into a profitable enterprise..." (in Probability and Measure, 2nd Edition)
I think this says it all about gambling pseudo-systems.
 

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Yeah technically the martingale is no worse than any other dodgy system.

But in terms of the damage done I reckon it must be by far the worst. Any given night at the weekend in a B'n'M casino you can see the martingalers. Guys who think they've invented/discovered something that can't lose.
They casually double up and double up without a care in the world (because it worked for them the last time they were in, so now they're staking more for that 'guaranteed profit' and .. oh oh... that run of seven reds that couldn't possibly come in has just come in. Yikes

Cue the inevitable bustout of more than they could afford to lose. The real poison of the martingale is that it will work for a while (albeit with very small winnings relative to bankroll), inspiring higher and higher staking... until the inevitable explosion of pain as Lady luck drops her trousers

To endorse that system on a forum like this, even as a joke, is potentially going to cause problems for newish gamblers reading in good faith
 
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