Ask me anything (about slots)!

[dionysus]

go back and look at your posts,you the little dog in bugs bunny running after trace,trying to be his bud.
some do not think it is all legit,well most know it's not,let them have that.You do not have to be in every rigged thread or post telling people oh your stressed over it.
The all mighty said it's all good,so put you tinfoil hat on

your reading comprehension is either severely lacking or you're projecting. I clearly wrote "I" wasn't stressed about it.
You also clearly are lacking in civil discourse.
I don't think he's all mighty, nor does he - your words, not ours.

 

[dionysus]

(and just to point out, if you feel I'm in 'every rigged thread' your knowledge of that would be based on either, you're following my posts (weird) or youre in them to notice, and if that's the case I fail to see your point of contention if youre in them as well. But yes, I do often post in rigged threads. Why? Because there's always new members crying foul without a lick of sense of how slots actually work, asking questions that have been answered time and again, across the internet and throughout the forum.. In the beginning I didn't know as well, until someone took the time to explain it to me. These days, it's available if not by Google, then the search function available in the forum.

 

[suchfun]

your reading comprehension is either severely lacking or you're projecting. I clearly wrote "I" wasn't stressed about it.
You also clearly are lacking in civil discourse.
I don't think he's all mighty, nor does he - your words, not ours.

your reading comprehension is either severely lacking or you're projecting lol read again
and the way you say "your words, not ours" make it seem youguys are a couple,that would make alot of sense congrats

 

[dionysus]

ah, homophobic playground innuendo. Well, that's something new for the thread at least I suppose.

 

[trancemonkey]

how can you sleep when you are in every post kissing the shills ass???

and what makes you think I stress about slots??? lol

Hahah - keep the insults coming....
As you've made clear previously, you don't believe a word I say... so what exactly would it take for you to believe anything?

 

[trancemonkey]

ya he just builds the slots he wants us to keep playing lol

I think the point of making games is so that people play them... i hardly think this is news

 

[suchfun]

ah, homophobic playground innuendo. Well, that's something new for the thread at least I suppose.

how is it homophobic? I said congrats I could care less who you follow around jumping up and down trying to get noticed.

My budget for slots is 100k a year I have spun millions of spins,I think I allowed my opinion

 

[trancemonkey]

your reading comprehension is either severely lacking or you're projecting lol read again
and the way you say "your words, not ours" make it seem youguys are a couple,that would make alot of sense congrats

We actually married last week in the NetEnt studios surrounded by people wearing costumes of all our favourite slot characters. Goatwack came as Thor from Thunderstuck, Interlog came as the duck from Scruffy Duck and CasinoMeister came as the D from Bonanza... in a strange coincidence, he's still missing now.

 

[dionysus]

I think the point of making games is so that people play them... i hardly think this is news

I liked your post.
But at least you're adult enough to recognize I happen to agree with your post and not as some grand romantic overture
If that were the case I'm in trouble with goatwack - we actually make comments could turn the air blue

 

[dionysus]

I could care less who you follow around jumping up and down trying to get noticed.

Actually, my membership here predates trances by around a decade, during which time I've been saying the same things.
And sure, everyone is entitled to an opinions - I just wish more were steeped in facts than beleifs.

 

[trancemonkey]

how is it homophobic? I said congrats I could care less who you follow around jumping up and down trying to get noticed.

My budget for slots is 100k a year I have spun millions of spins,I think I allowed my opinion

Ooo you've spin millions of spins have you? Oh, well clearly you know a lot more than me

 

[dionysus]

We actually married last week in the NetEnt studios surrounded by people wearing costumes of all our favourite slot characters. Goatwack came as Thor from Thunderstuck, Interlog came as the duck from Scruffy Duck and CasinoMeister came as the D from Bonanza... in a strange coincidence, he's still missing now.

But a legiitimate slots programmer performed the ceremony, and seeing as those dont exist, I don't think it was binding.

 

[trancemonkey]

Ahh damn it - oh well, i shall go back to stalking Jennifer Aniston now she's single again Yay!

 

[dionysus]

Ahh damn it - oh well, i sahll go back to stalking Jennifer Aniston now she's single again Yay!

and looking good at 49
but then, I also think Lynda Carter is looking damned good at 65

and you misspelled 'shill'

 

[suchfun]

Ooo you've spin millions of spins have you? Oh, well clearly you know a lot more than me

you sure seem to think your shit does not stink man = get over yourself

 

[trancemonkey]

you sure seem to think your shit does not stink man = get over yourself

Oh dude - my shit stinks. I had one this morning that looked like Iron-man... weird. Yesterday it was more like a babies arm - wouldn't flush.
Anyway, feel free to debate what i say and provide evidence to the contrary. That's what forums are for right?

However, this isn't YouTube - insults won't be tolerated. They are a one-way ticket to bansville. So keep your shrill comments to yourself

Or maybe i am a shrill - i mean look at all the affiliate links i post, and everything i stand to gain from being on here.... < that's sarcasm btw

 

[suchfun]

Oh dude - my shit stinks. I had one this morning that looked like Iron-man... weird. Yesterday it was more like a babies arm - wouldn't flush.
Anyway, feel free to debate what i say and provide evidence to the contrary. That's what forums are for right?

However, this isn't YouTube - insults won't be tolerated. They are a one-way ticket to bansville. So keep your shrill comments to yourself

Or maybe i am a shrill - i mean look at all the affiliate links i post, and everything i stand to gain from being on here.... < that's sarcasm btw

wow your so scary,get me banned on a forum,unlike you I don't need a internet site to stroke my ego.
Like I said get over yourself

 

[dionysus]

if i had a poo like a baby arm id be scared.

 

[trancemonkey]

Who said i would get you banned? I haven't reported your post - i'm just saying that anger and insults will get you banned. Simple
Now, if you want to have a debate about why you think i'm wrong - then fair enough. If you start getting angry and insulting, then people just won't engage with you.
So - can you have a normal debate with me about why you think i'm wrong / lying or not?

 

[suchfun]

Who said i would get you banned? I haven't reported your post - i'm just saying that anger and insults will get you banned. Simple
Now, if you want to have a debate about why you think i'm wrong - then fair enough. If you start getting angry and insulting, then people just won't engage with you.
So - can you have a normal debate with me about why you think i'm wrong / lying or not?

what makes you think I'm angry?

 

[trancemonkey]

what makes you think I'm angry?

The tone of your posts inferred anger or frustration...
Anyway, let's move on - it's almost friday

 

[The Dude]

how can you sleep when you are in every post kissing the shills ass???

and what makes you think I stress about slots??? lol

Chill out "Suchfun", or you'll be taking a vacation. Thank you:

1.1 – No “Flaming”: Please do not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. Abusive behavior will not be tolerated and your account may be suspended. Please refrain from potty mouth language. Under certain circumstances (extremely aggressive insulting or trollish language), the administration reserves the right to publish your email address and IP address if your account is banned for violation of this rule.

 

[The Dude]

In fact I reread that comment - calling Trancemonkey a shill is way out of line. I've met the guy, he's a stand up bloke, he's no more of a shill than I am.

30 day suspension for being a dick.

 

[EnglishGuy]

Trance,

Just to prove that there are some people on the forum, who don't wear tin foil hats...

would just like to thank you for your honest insight into this thread, and slots. its undoubtedly one of the most interesting threads on the site, and deserves a best post award!

I come back to it regularly to catch up. Kudos for keeping your temper in the face of such dicks.

 

[trancemonkey]

Trance,

Just to prove that there are some people on the forum, who don't wear tin foil hats...

would just like to thank you for your honest insight into this thread, and slots. its undoubtedly one of the most interesting threads on the site, and deserves a best post award!

I come back to it regularly to catch up. Kudos for keeping your temper in the face of such dicks.

Why thank you - i understand the reticence people will have to believe someone on a forum that says everything is fine.
And i'm not always 100% calm, but i try

 

[burgstrom]

Trance,

Just to prove that there are some people on the forum, who don't wear tin foil hats...

would just like to thank you for your honest insight into this thread, and slots. its undoubtedly one of the most interesting threads on the site, and deserves a best post award!

I come back to it regularly to catch up. Kudos for keeping your temper in the face of such dicks.

Here here!

 

[Spikie]

As Trancemonkey has explained loads of times , there is no need for any slot provider to risk criminal charges for rigging games.

This isn’t Vegas in the 70’s/80’s. Shit is much more controlled and audited from all angles nowadays.

Why would any game need to be rigged or changed secretly to gain a few quid at the risk of losing the whole business ?

The house edge is enough .

If you look at any Novomatic game online and check the spin counter , that goes up by around 300 spins every couple of seconds .

The counter is at 4916340230 as I type this, which is billions of spins.
Even if they make a fraction of a percent profit it shows how they can generate colossal revenue every day.

All they have to do is keep the servers running and watch the cash roll in.

A very simple and lucrative business model. Why would anyone need to complicate it ?

 

[Reelsoffun]

As Trancemonkey has explained loads of times , there is no need for any slot provider to risk criminal charges for rigging games.

This isn’t Vegas in the 70’s/80’s. Shit is much more controlled and audited from all angles nowadays.

Why would any game need to be rigged or changed secretly to gain a few quid at the risk of losing the whole business ?

The house edge is enough .

If you look at any Novomatic game online and check the spin counter , that goes up by around 300 spins every couple of seconds .

The counter is at 4916340230 as I type this, which is billions of spins.
Even if they make a fraction of a percent profit it shows how they can generate colossal revenue every day.

All they have to do is keep the servers running and watch the cash roll in.

A very simple and lucrative business model. Why would anyone need to complicate it ?

When people claim they are rigged some just mean that they are compensated rather than random, I think this is where people sometimes get confused.

Also people on here always ask for proof of things but has anyone ever stopped to think that some people could quite possibly have proof but for many reasons it cannot be made available on a public forum???

Just saying, and of course everyone can have there own opinion.

I would however love to work for the UKGC to have the power to investigate many of the "claims" on here of rigged slots etc etc because as usual they are unequipped to really know what does go on as long as slots hit near expected RTP they dont really look any deeper right?

 

[goatwack]

Yup, it's human nature to be inquisitive, or whether one is getting a fair return on money spent. It's a bit of a stretch to assume that no software has ever been bent, or casinos cheated, in the history of the industry.

Especially as things aren't quite so rosy in the garden for many establishments, with the over- saturation of the market. Why does anyone risk doing anything?

 

[trancemonkey]

Yup, it's human nature to be inquisitive, or whether one is getting a fair return on money spent. It's a bit of a stretch to assume that no software has ever been bent, or casinos cheated, in the history of the industry.

Especially as things aren't quite so rosy in the garden for many establishments, with the over- saturation of the market. Why does anyone risk doing anything?

Well, we know first hand that there ARE casinos that have been bent. We know there ARE casinos that are bent - just look at the rogue casinos section in here.
I have no issue in people being skeptical, questioning things, or wanting proof... but the VAST majority of companies, especially those that operate in highly regulated environments, are almost guaranteed to be doing things right and fair.

With regards to rigged vs compensated - to compensate in an online environment would be stupid. I've touched on this before. Whilst it is POSSIBLE to do it, it would make almost no sense. The reason compensated fruit machines work in the UK / Spain (and the few other countries that allow them) is because you simply can't have multiple players playing at the same time - but in the world of online slots, to keep track of everyone, distribute everything correctly, compensate so the whole game runs to the correct RTP, etc. etc. would be nigh on impossible.

A long time back at Games Warehouse we looked in to having a central compensator on a multi-game fruit machine - we did a LOT of research and tried a lot of ways to do it - and not a single one made any sense. And this was lots of games with NO concurrent play. So aside from the fact it's illegal, it's also mind-bogglingly complicated and totally unnecessary. The house ALWAYS wins - we don't NEED to compensate in order to make money. We make it through statistics

And to the point ReelsOfFun made - it's rubbish that you couldn't make it public - the law allows for breaking confidentially agreements / NDA's / contracts where to do so is in the public interest and/or a crime has been committed. In fact, it is very easy to argue that knowingly withholding information about a crime in itself constitutes a criminal offence. So if someone DID have information or knew someone that did, then i suggest he/she makes it public instead of insinuating that they have some that they can't share - because i'm sorry, but that's utter BS in my opinion

I'm almost 100% sure that Astra used to rig their B3 (Section 16/21) games in the past. They had a very dodgy way of determining the outcomes of games. They had a game which had a set of reels on the bottom and a set on the top - now both were supposed to be independent, but you could get a jackpot on one and a jackpot on the other one game after the other. And this wasn't as rare as it should have been... for example, if the chance of winning £500 on one set of reels was 1 in 5,000 (and that assumes the jackpot accounted for 10% of the RTP, which it almost certainly wouldn't of - it would have been less) and the chance on the other set was also 1 in 5,000 (which legally it would have had to be the same) then the chance of getting both would have been 1 in 25,000,000. And yet it seemed to happen every few weeks. Weird eh? I can't prove it was rigged - and this was a long time ago before the kind of rules we now have in place were around - but i'm 99.99% certain it was not truly random.

Here at IGT, if i know someone is breaking our very strict compliance policies, and i do not report it, i am also therefore complicit in that. And so it should be. We have a LOT to lose by breaking rules - and one person could in theory bring down the whole company - and sometimes disgruntled employees don't give a damn about non-disclosure agreements. They want retribution.

 

[goatwack]

Well, we know first hand that there ARE casinos that have been bent. We know there ARE casinos that are bent - just look at the rogue casinos section in here.
I have no issue in people being skeptical, questioning things, or wanting proof... but the VAST majority of companies, especially those that operate in highly regulated environments, are almost guaranteed to be doing things right and fair.

With regards to rigged vs compensated - to compensate in an online environment would be stupid. I've touched on this before. Whilst it is POSSIBLE to do it, it would make almost no sense. The reason compensated fruit machines work in the UK / Spain (and the few other countries that allow them) is because you simply can't have multiple players playing at the same time - but in the world of online slots, to keep track of everyone, distribute everything correctly, compensate so the whole game runs to the correct RTP, etc. etc. would be nigh on impossible.

A long time back at Games Warehouse we looked in to having a central compensator on a multi-game fruit machine - we did a LOT of research and tried a lot of ways to do it - and not a single one made any sense. And this was lots of games with NO concurrent play. So aside from the fact it's illegal, it's also mind-bogglingly complicated and totally unnecessary. The house ALWAYS wins - we don't NEED to compensate in order to make money. We make it through statistics

And to the point ReelsOfFun made - it's rubbish that you couldn't make it public - the law allows for breaking confidentially agreements / NDA's / contracts where to do so is in the public interest and/or a crime has been committed. In fact, it is very easy to argue that knowingly withholding information about a crime in itself constitutes a criminal offence. So if someone DID have information or knew someone that did, then i suggest he/she makes it public instead of insinuating that they have some that they can't share - because i'm sorry, but that's utter BS in my opinion

I'm almost 100% sure that Astra used to rig their B3 (Section 16/21) games in the past. They had a very dodgy way of determining the outcomes of games. They had a game which had a set of reels on the bottom and a set on the top - now both were supposed to be independent, but you could get a jackpot on one and a jackpot on the other one game after the other. And this wasn't as rare as it should have been... for example, if the chance of winning £500 on one set of reels was 1 in 5,000 (and that assumes the jackpot accounted for 10% of the RTP, which it almost certainly wouldn't of - it would have been less) and the chance on the other set was also 1 in 5,000 (which legally it would have had to be the same) then the chance of getting both would have been 1 in 25,000,000. And yet it seemed to happen every few weeks. Weird eh? I can't prove it was rigged - and this was a long time ago before the kind of rules we now have in place were around - but i'm 99.99% certain it was not truly random.

Here at IGT, if i know someone is breaking our very strict compliance policies, and i do not report it, i am also therefore complicit in that. And so it should be. We have a LOT to lose by breaking rules - and one person could in theory bring down the whole company - and sometimes disgruntled employees don't give a damn about non-disclosure agreements. They want retribution.

Don't know what you're talking about, you were prepared to defect to Netent you Judas

 

[trancemonkey]

Don't know what you're talking about, you were prepared to defect to Netent you Judas

I'll do anything for money Goaty

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Did u get anything back from your bet digital contact about my mega pots posts???

 

[dionysus]

I'll do anything for money Goaty

be wary with your promises, he DOES have 'goat' in his nick

 

[trancemonkey]

Did u get anything back from your bet digital contact about my mega pots posts???

Sorry... I forgot about this. What was it about again?

 

[Smithyy]

Well, we know first hand that there ARE casinos that have been bent. We know there ARE casinos that are bent - just look at the rogue casinos section in here.
I have no issue in people being skeptical, questioning things, or wanting proof... but the VAST majority of companies, especially those that operate in highly regulated environments, are almost guaranteed to be doing things right and fair.

With regards to rigged vs compensated - to compensate in an online environment would be stupid. I've touched on this before. Whilst it is POSSIBLE to do it, it would make almost no sense. The reason compensated fruit machines work in the UK / Spain (and the few other countries that allow them) is because you simply can't have multiple players playing at the same time - but in the world of online slots, to keep track of everyone, distribute everything correctly, compensate so the whole game runs to the correct RTP, etc. etc. would be nigh on impossible.

A long time back at Games Warehouse we looked in to having a central compensator on a multi-game fruit machine - we did a LOT of research and tried a lot of ways to do it - and not a single one made any sense. And this was lots of games with NO concurrent play. So aside from the fact it's illegal, it's also mind-bogglingly complicated and totally unnecessary. The house ALWAYS wins - we don't NEED to compensate in order to make money. We make it through statistics

And to the point ReelsOfFun made - it's rubbish that you couldn't make it public - the law allows for breaking confidentially agreements / NDA's / contracts where to do so is in the public interest and/or a crime has been committed. In fact, it is very easy to argue that knowingly withholding information about a crime in itself constitutes a criminal offence. So if someone DID have information or knew someone that did, then i suggest he/she makes it public instead of insinuating that they have some that they can't share - because i'm sorry, but that's utter BS in my opinion

I'm almost 100% sure that Astra used to rig their B3 (Section 16/21) games in the past. They had a very dodgy way of determining the outcomes of games. They had a game which had a set of reels on the bottom and a set on the top - now both were supposed to be independent, but you could get a jackpot on one and a jackpot on the other one game after the other. And this wasn't as rare as it should have been... for example, if the chance of winning £500 on one set of reels was 1 in 5,000 (and that assumes the jackpot accounted for 10% of the RTP, which it almost certainly wouldn't of - it would have been less) and the chance on the other set was also 1 in 5,000 (which legally it would have had to be the same) then the chance of getting both would have been 1 in 25,000,000. And yet it seemed to happen every few weeks. Weird eh? I can't prove it was rigged - and this was a long time ago before the kind of rules we now have in place were around - but i'm 99.99% certain it was not truly random.

Here at IGT, if i know someone is breaking our very strict compliance policies, and i do not report it, i am also therefore complicit in that. And so it should be. We have a LOT to lose by breaking rules - and one person could in theory bring down the whole company - and sometimes disgruntled employees don't give a damn about non-disclosure agreements. They want retribution.

Thanks for a good write up like this Trance, very informative.

On another thread, someone mentioned that some of Quickspin's games are - while not compensated - kind of... "streaky" - by design?

Is there any truth to this?

Thanks!

 

[trancemonkey]

Thanks for a good write up like this Trance, very informative.

On another thread, someone mentioned that some of Quickspin's games are - while not compensated - kind of... "streaky" - by design?

Is there any truth to this?

Thanks!

I know the QuickSpin guys well - one of them is active on this forum - and I've seen the maths from their games and I can categorically state that the only dodgy thing the guys at QuickSpin do is eat Surstromming!

 

[Steviedoo]

I know the QuickSpin guys well - one of them is active on this forum - and I've seen the maths from their games and I can categorically state that the only dodgy thing the guys at QuickSpin do is eat Surstromming!

There’s a quickspin Guy on this forum?

 

[dionysus]

There’s a quickspin Guy on this forum?

there's lots of guys on the forum that work for casinos or providers but prefer to post and browse as members.

 

[trancemonkey]

There’s a quickspin Guy on this forum?

Yeah and he's never hidden the fact he's from quickspin... although I believe he's leaving there in the near future

 

[goatwack]

there's lots of guys on the forum that work for casinos or providers but prefer to post and browse as members.

I don't think anyone's latched onto the fact that I'm the CEO of Big Time Gaming yet.

Let's keep it that way

 

[trancemonkey]

I don't think anyone's latched onto the fact that I'm the CEO of Big Time Gaming yet.

Let's keep it that way

I thought your alter ego Sheephit was the BTG CEO!

 

[goatwack]

I thought your alter ego Sheephit was the BTG CEO!

It's CowProd, but that'll do

 

[Steviedoo]

I don't think anyone's latched onto the fact that I'm the CEO of Big Time Gaming yet.

Let's keep it that way

Had I known I would have been nicer to you....

 

[dionysus]

@trancemonkey
Could you point out some of the primary differences between developing/producing games geared for B & Ms v online? ex rtp, game mechanics/maths, player pyschology/mass appeal etc, noting of course, sharing what youre permitted to share.
thanks in advance

 

[trancemonkey]

@trancemonkey
Could you point out some of the primary differences between developing/producing games geared for B & Ms v online? ex rtp, game mechanics/maths, player pyschology/mass appeal etc, noting of course, sharing what youre permitted to share.
thanks in advance

Well, it's public knowledge that online casinos are almost always running at a much higher RTP than B&M casinos. This means that you can design games like Bonanza for the online market where that game might not work at the kind of RTP you find in a B&M casino, so there is definitely sometimes a limiting factor of RTP.

The other thing to note is that HTML5 is somewhat limiting - although it's getting better every day. But game size is definitely a factor. We can have games of a few gigabytes in size in B&M and really go to town on the look and feel, but online is very different. Sure some are being very clever with the games now but there are so many different devices people play on that you have to try and make the game work on... and that's not easy and requires careful planning and a very good framework.

The other thing to bear in mind is localisation... and by that I mean that a game that works in one country may not work in another. There are lots of games that work in the UK online market that are awful in the Nordics....

 

[dionysus]

agreed, rtp is public knowledge.
when you speak of some games - online or land based - having different country appeals, could you mention any generalizations?
also, psychologically speaking - not so much toward countries, but between the 2 (landbased and online) where do those differ in what appeals to people
ty

 

[sapit222]

@trancemonkey

I got 3 scatters in the game Ariana. Usually this means that i get the bonus.
I checked up the rules for the game:

I have been in contact with the casino about this.
At first they said i had to get 3 scatters in a paid line to get the bonus.
I corrected them about it and they told me it will be passed on to MG.
Today i got the reply saying its a display error?

Thank you for contacting us about the game round and for your patience as we needed clarification from the game provider to understand what happened. The Microgaming team has completed the investigation for you and can conclude the outcome for the game round concluded as expected. In the players screenshot, it shows a transaction from game round 1322 (attached) except the three wheels from left to right are from the previous game round 1321 (also attached). This could happen due to a display error when updating the position to the new spin. We have highlighted these two sections in red and green on your screenshot which we also attached to this email. Upon the financial audit for the game rounds, we see these two game rounds match the transaction audits and all winnings were correct and awarded successfully. If you would like more information about this issue, please let us know.

Is this explanation credible?

 

[trancemonkey]

@trancemonkey

I got 3 scatters in the game Ariana. Usually this means that i get the bonus.
I checked up the rules for the game:
View attachment 90132

I have been in contact with the casino about this.
At first they said i had to get 3 scatters in a paid line to get the bonus.
I corrected them about it and they told me it will be passed on to MG.
Today i got the reply saying its a display error?

Thank you for contacting us about the game round and for your patience as we needed clarification from the game provider to understand what happened. The Microgaming team has completed the investigation for you and can conclude the outcome for the game round concluded as expected. In the players screenshot, it shows a transaction from game round 1322 (attached) except the three wheels from left to right are from the previous game round 1321 (also attached). This could happen due to a display error when updating the position to the new spin. We have highlighted these two sections in red and green on your screenshot which we also attached to this email. Upon the financial audit for the game rounds, we see these two game rounds match the transaction audits and all winnings were correct and awarded successfully. If you would like more information about this issue, please let us know.
View attachment 90133


Is this explanation credible?

Hey

Yes the explanation is credible... unfortunate and annoying but credible.

 

[trancemonkey]

agreed, rtp is public knowledge.
when you speak of some games - online or land based - having different country appeals, could you mention any generalizations?
also, psychologically speaking - not so much toward countries, but between the 2 (landbased and online) where do those differ in what appeals to people
ty

It's hard to generalise... but of course we want to make games that on the whole appeal to the majority of people. You can certainly try very different themes and styles online... the slots for tots kind of games would hardly ever work in retail.