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[videoslotheaven]

Even from this thread the things that have come to light is showing the games are not as random or atleast the games are not working in the way we have been told. This just proves that there probably is even more going on behind the curtains. And why do all players see the same patterns? So we have a collective pshycosis?

As stated before by other members here and on other forums aswell as friends of mine. Everyone after a big win/withdrawal you might aswell quitt that casino because you will not win again untill you have lost back everything and then some more. Even if it takes a year or two to happen. This is always the case. As the wins are predetermined before you even deposit. Some casinos i have played at the results i have had there are so insanley unlikley that my only explination is that there is something shady going on. Honestley certain sites i dont trust.. simple as that.

The games are NOT the same on every site thats even been proven by the different RTP modells that playngo offer. Im pretty sure same goes for netent.

 

[Tirilej]

Not quite. At Videoslots - as an example - they have both. Flash on a computer and HTML5 on a mobile device. When you start the HMTL5 game you start from scratch.

It's the same difference on for example 32Red. Your achievments on the download version does not follow to the website.
I have two different sets there, which mean it can't be the player ID. It must be the server, if they run on different.

 

[dunover]

Even from this thread the things that have come to light is showing the games are not as random or atleast the games are not working in the way we have been told. This just proves that there probably is even more going on behind the curtains. And why do all players see the same patterns? So we have a collective pshycosis?

As stated before by other members here and on other forums aswell as friends of mine. Everyone after a big win/withdrawal you might aswell quitt that casino because you will not win again untill you have lost back everything and then some more. Even if it takes a year or two to happen. This is always the case. As the wins are predetermined before you even deposit. Some casinos i have played at the results i have had there are so insanley unlikley that my only explination is that there is something shady going on. Honestley certain sites i dont trust.. simple as that.

The games are NOT the same on every site thats even been proven by the different RTP modells that playngo offer. Im pretty sure same goes for netent.

Yes, and ironically it's because they're random!

The law of large numbers my friend - over time, the longer you play (i.e. the more spins you take) the less you will deviate from the TRTP of say 96.5% and draw nearer to it. So naturally if you had a spike in RTP after a big win say taking it temporarily to over 110% then it's near certain to drop off should you carry on playing.

We actually as near as damn proved this here (search kktmd) by running a million+ spins through many games. They were all barely a gnat's cock away from the TRTP after the spins were done - in fact most games unless highly volatile are pretty near after even half that amount.

 

[trancemonkey]

Even from this thread the things that have come to light is showing the games are not as random or atleast the games are not working in the way we have been told. This just proves that there probably is even more going on behind the curtains. And why do all players see the same patterns? So we have a collective pshycosis?

As stated before by other members here and on other forums aswell as friends of mine. Everyone after a big win/withdrawal you might aswell quitt that casino because you will not win again untill you have lost back everything and then some more. Even if it takes a year or two to happen. This is always the case. As the wins are predetermined before you even deposit. Some casinos i have played at the results i have had there are so insanley unlikley that my only explination is that there is something shady going on. Honestley certain sites i dont trust.. simple as that.

The games are NOT the same on every site thats even been proven by the different RTP modells that playngo offer. Im pretty sure same goes for netent.

Here we go again... The games are random. There are an unlimited number of ways to do the maths on slot games... They are all random. I don't know what you've been told but if they didn't tell you that then they were lying... And if you think it's really easy then why can't everyone do it easily.

Once again, and in spite of repeating myself numerous times, we don't need to cheat. Casinos don't need to cheat. They will always make money on average. Any belief otherwise is just being a sore loser I'm afraid...

You're right that different sites can have different RTPs - this is not being denied. But that doesn't mean they are rigged.

Please understand I gain nothing from repeating myself. However imagine if I told you that everything you worked on was not what you knew it to be... What if your job was a doctor and even though you knew about every illness, I was telling you you were lying and that I knew better. You would be frustrated.

That's exactly how I feel right now... But I started this thread so I accept it!

 

[videoslotheaven]

Yes, and ironically it's because they're random!

The law of large numbers my friend - over time, the longer you play (i.e. the more spins you take) the less you will deviate from the TRTP of say 96.5% and draw nearer to it. So naturally if you had a spike in RTP after a big win say taking it temporarily to over 110% then it's near certain to drop off should you carry on playing.

We actually as near as damn proved this here (search kktmd) by running a million+ spins through many games. They were all barely a gnat's cock away from the TRTP after the spins were done - in fact most games unless highly volatile are pretty near after even half that amount.

I understand that. But what i find difficult to belive that its random is that as i said its always like that. And not even lose. Im talking cant even double your deposit, lose.

 

[videoslotheaven]

Here we go again... The games are random. There are an unlimited number of ways to do the maths on slot games... They are all random. I don't know what you've been told but if they didn't tell you that then they were lying... And if you think it's really easy then why can't everyone do it easily.

Once again, and in spite of repeating myself numerous times, we don't need to cheat. Casinos don't need to cheat. They will always make money on average. Any belief otherwise is just being a sore loser I'm afraid...

You're right that different sites can have different RTPs - this is not being denied. But that doesn't mean they are rigged.

Please understand I gain nothing from repeating myself. However imagine if I told you that everything you worked on was not what you knew it to be... What if your job was a doctor and even though you knew about every illness, I was telling you you were lying and that I knew better. You would be frustrated.

That's exactly how I feel right now... But I started this thread so I accept it!

Different rtp might technicly not be rigged. BUT if a game has a rtp of 96% or 86% would drasticly change the average outcome.

 

[videoslotheaven]

Here we go again... The games are random. There are an unlimited number of ways to do the maths on slot games... They are all random. I don't know what you've been told but if they didn't tell you that then they were lying... And if you think it's really easy then why can't everyone do it easily.

Once again, and in spite of repeating myself numerous times, we don't need to cheat. Casinos don't need to cheat. They will always make money on average. Any belief otherwise is just being a sore loser I'm afraid...

You're right that different sites can have different RTPs - this is not being denied. But that doesn't mean they are rigged.

Please understand I gain nothing from repeating myself. However imagine if I told you that everything you worked on was not what you knew it to be... What if your job was a doctor and even though you knew about every illness, I was telling you you were lying and that I knew better. You would be frustrated.

That's exactly how I feel right now... But I started this thread so I accept it!

Different rtp might technicly not be rigged. BUT if a game has a rtp of 96% or 86% would drasticly change the average outcome. And having a lower rtp than what a layer would expect from being told that its the same at every site is in my book atleast cheating.

 

[videoslotheaven]

Its like going to the store and buying a pizza. On the box it says Ingredients: Tomato saus,cheese, pepperoni. But instead of pepperoni its ham on the pizza. The same goes for advertising 96% rtp when the game is running on a different number. Its unethical and should not be allowed.

 

[brianmon]

I'd like to see games displaying the TRTP as part of the user interface, considering most, if not all providers seem to have a range of TRTP settings.

Some do list it in a help file. But who's to say, that help file is 'fixed' to that version of the game.


Some providers such as MGS don't even list it in their help files. But rely on the casinos to list the figures.
How would anyone then prove that a casino is listing a higher figure than the version of the game they're using?

And who would even be responsible for monitoring such things?

There are also some casinos who don't list ANY figures

 

[trancemonkey]

Its like going to the store and buying a pizza. On the box it says Ingredients: Tomato saus,cheese, pepperoni. But instead of pepperoni its ham on the pizza. The same goes for advertising 96% rtp when the game is running on a different number. Its unethical and should not be allowed.

It isn't allowed and it doesn't happen...

 

[trancemonkey]

I'd like to see games displaying the TRTP as part of the user interface, considering most, if not all providers seem to have a range of TRTP settings.

Some do list it in a help file. But who's to say, that help file is 'fixed' to that version of the game.


Some providers such as MGS don't even list it in their help files. But rely on the casinos to list the figures.
How would anyone then prove that a casino is listing a higher figure than the version of the game they're using?

And who would even be responsible for monitoring such things?

There are also some casinos who don't list ANY figures

It is a legal requirement under the UKGC regs to display the RTP to the player in such a way that it is accessible without having to commit any credits (I.E play a game). Where a range is shown, this is either because the game involves some element of Strategy or that the game has a number of RTP settings. In the case of the second one, where there is no strategy in the game, as a player I would always assume the lowest.

Not displaying the correct RTP in the UK is a compliance issue and could result in the loss of the operator or game providers licence and/or large fine and as previously stated there are also individual licence holders who are criminally responsible if stuff like this happens.

 

[trancemonkey]

Just a note on the personal licence holders... If they sign a game off for release in the UK and it is later found to be non-compliant then they are PERSONALLY responsible... Legally...

I wouldn't want to be one because if someone DOES do something dodgy and it creeps through, then I would be held responsible and could end up in jail.

 

[Spikie]

Most slots nowadays have a free spin trigger or feature off a 3 symbol trigger on a 5 reel grid, how did that originate, and why did every developer decide to copy it ?

In the random maths model, is there any freedom to generate features that include maybe a skill stop of some sort ? Or can this only be allowed in a compensated environment ?

I have played a lot of land based games in Germany, and on the Merkur / Bally and Nova games you can gamble on the cash ladder after a win, but never see this online... Also like the Glucks spin feature when you get a bigger win, this must be something to do with the local gaming law , but also don't see it online even though players are psychologically hyped when they get some.

Why are most online slots gamble based on a black / red or card suit gamble ?

Can a hi / lo gamble or feature not be added to a random game and still be within legal regulations ?

There just doesn't seem to be as much player interaction online as in land based slots even though they are both under random rules. Is this to do with the Physical area where people play , as in if people are in a land casino there may be more bells and whistles and a different environment, but online is different ?

Also why do Merkur not offer their slots much to uk ? They have some great high variance physical games.

 

[Spikie]

I grew up in what I regard as the best time for the amusement industry, had simple but highly playable video games (Galaga, Star Force, Arkanoid , World Cup 90 etc ) , and could go to Blackpool with a few bags of coins and still have a great day out and feel that you had good time for your money..

Whereas the online gaming environment is completely different. It seems to be lose big, win big or lose not a lot and win not a lot.... without any of the interaction that made arcades great i the 80's / 90/s. . Old fruits had massive feature ladders , holds and nudges, skill stops, hi lo etc


So without risking like sounding like an old fart , is there a way of bringing back the old skool interaction, or something that feels like the player is more in control, even in a random constraint ?

I'm not saying emulate an old fruity, as the casino ones that look like old fruits are awful, , but if there was some way of making a DOA type payout slot but with more player interaction, would that not be a good move forward -?

 

[Spikie]

Instead of a 5OAK high payer in fixed multiplier, why can you not send the 5OAK win to a random wheel that that can continue to spin many times ? There are slots that do this but are they not as popular with the clientele ? Mathematically it must be similar ?

 

[trancemonkey]

I grew up in what I regard as the best time for the amusement industry, had simple but highly playable video games (Galaga, Star Force, Arkanoid , World Cup 90 etc ) , and could go to Blackpool with a few bags of coins and still have a great day out and feel that you had good time for your money..

Whereas the online gaming environment is completely different. It seems to be lose big, win big or lose not a lot and win not a lot.... without any of the interaction that made arcades great i the 80's / 90/s. . Old fruits had massive feature ladders , holds and nudges, skill stops, hi lo etc


So without risking like sounding like an old fart , is there a way of bringing back the old skool interaction, or something that feels like the player is more in control, even in a random constraint ?

I'm not saying emulate an old fruity, as the casino ones that look like old fruits are awful, , but if there was some way of making a DOA type payout slot but with more player interaction, would that not be a good move forward -?

There was a site around for a while called Union Jackpots. It had one fruit machines running as random games. They were dreadfully implemented.

However, whilst an element of skill would be allowed, in the online environment it would be difficult to do because of the ability to hack the client / server calls. This is why almost everything has to be done on the server. On retail machines it's easier.

That said, there are skill games around and in development for retail... There were some at G2E and a couple at ICE.

Will you ever see anything like fruit machine skill on online slots? I very much doubt it

 

[trancemonkey]

Instead of a 5OAK high payer in fixed multiplier, why can you not send the 5OAK win to a random wheel that that can continue to spin many times ? There are slots that do this but are they not as popular with the clientele ? Mathematically it must be similar ?

This is possible... I'm working on a fruit game that does something akin to this (not a random wheel though)...

Of course, if your five of a kind pays 20x for example, then you'd have to make the feature pay this value. If it paid more you'd have to bring the 5oak less often and vice versa. Also bear in mind that this feature would increase volatility.

 

[geordiecolin]

CM forum must have slipped onto a different server and reduced RTP as posts are showing as originally quoted by me that were not

Must be on tilt due to poor progress

 

[geordiecolin]

Are the results of gambles on slots which have a gamble your win feature effected by its recent rtp status? How is that aspect controlled and regulated?

 

[trancemonkey]

Are the results of gambles on slots which have a gamble your win feature effected by its recent rtp status? How is that aspect controlled and regulated?

Gambles have to run at 100% Rtp... So whilst they affect volatility they don't affect the overall TRTP... There is no house edge in the gamble

 

[geordiecolin]

Gambles have to run at 100% Rtp... So whilst they affect volatility they don't affect the overall TRTP... There is no house edge in the gamble

If there is no house edge in the game then what motivates a provider to include a win/lose option? I presumed that everything was designed to increase profits for everyone other than the punter?

 

[Jono777]

If there is no house edge in the game then what motivates a provider to include a win/lose option? I presumed that everything was designed to increase profits for everyone other than the punter?

Surely there is either a 50% or a 75% House edge in all these gambles.

Yes not by design or part of the program but red/black casino and player both have 50% in their favour (edge)

Choosing a specific suit (hearts, clubs, diamonds, spades) the casino then has a 75% 'edge' in their favour.

 

[trancemonkey]

If there is no house edge in the game then what motivates a provider to include a win/lose option? I presumed that everything was designed to increase profits for everyone other than the punter?

Not everything we do is for the direct benefit of the casino.. Believe it or not sometimes we like doing things the players might enjoy... Just for the Craic

 

[trancemonkey]

Surely there is either a 50% or a 75% House edge in all these gambles.

Yes not by design or part of the program but red/black casino and player both have 50% in their favour (edge)

Choosing a specific suit (hearts, clubs, diamonds, spades) the casino then has a 75% 'edge' in their favour.

There is no edge at all...

If you win a red black gamble you double your money. If you lose you lose everything. As there is a 50% chance of doubling and a 50% chance of losing, the overall Rtp is 100%.

 

[kanajorma]

@ energycasino. Playing when pigs fly 1€ bet, rtp over 80. Raise bet to 2,50€ and lost over 300€ and rtp was under 50. Support gone so cant get round details. Why netent use progressive negative rtp everygame.

 

[trancemonkey]

@ energycasino. Playing when pigs fly 1€ bet, rtp over 80. Raise bet to 2,50€ and lost over 300€ and rtp was under 50. Support gone so cant get round details. Why netent use progressive negative rtp everygame.

They don't. Assuming you didn't lose on every spin by my calculations you would have had about 240 spins at the higher bet if running at 50%. In such a short period it's very possible to run at such a low RTP. I imagine at 1 euro you played a lot more games and therefore would have been less likely to have such low RTP.

 

[Captain Rizk]

@ energycasino. Playing when pigs fly 1€ bet, rtp over 80. Raise bet to 2,50€ and lost over 300€ and rtp was under 50. Support gone so cant get round details. Why netent use progressive negative rtp everygame.

I see situations like this many, many times every single day. Players get "lucky" for a while and get their balance way above starting point.

I 100% promise you that due to probability and randomness and a built in house edge one certain thing is GUARANTEED. If you dont withdraw and you carry on playing, whether you increase your bet level, reduce your bet levels or remain the same the one thing that is common is that every single one of these players will lose their ENTIRE balance at some point.

This is irrespective of which provider, which game or which country they live in. It is a mathematical fact and the reason why there is a house edge.

 

[Deeplay]

I see situations like this many, many times every single day. Players get "lucky" for a while and get their balance way above starting point.

I 100% promise you that due to probability and randomness and a built in house edge one certain thing is GUARANTEED. If you dont withdraw and you carry on playing, whether you increase your bet level, reduce your bet levels or remain the same the one thing that is common is that every single one of these players will lose their ENTIRE balance at some point.

This is irrespective of which provider, which game or which country they live in. It is a mathematical fact and the reason why there is a house edge.

As I alas have learned through bitter past experience well put even if it is depressing to read

Im back at Rizk next to loose more dolla

 

[dillos]

Hey all

I've been a member of CasinoMeister since 2013, but to be honest i signed up and then didn't use the site (i know, i'm bad!)
However, as someone who plays slots and has working in the Fruit Machine and Slots industry over the past 20 years as a producer/coder (although i haven't coded for 10 years!), i have a real passion for the games!

Therefore, i'd like to invite you all to ask me anything you want Fruit Machine / Slot machine related - i'll do my best to answer any questions you might have about maths design, games production, etc. that you might want to know, and dispel (or even support) any myths you may have and want to discuss.

I also promise to be a lot more active on here from now on...

Regards
Dave

is normal that the reels in a slot (especially in microgaming) turn out of phase, strangely when this happen it seems that the slot don't pay much ...

 

[trancemonkey]

is normal that the reels in a slot (especially in microgaming) turn out of phase, strangely when this happen it seems that the slot don't pay much ...

I'm not sure what you mean by "out of phase"

 

[dillos]

I'm not sure what you mean by "out of phase"

part of the reels rotates normally and one or two reels stops abruptly especially with thunderstruck 2 , sorry for my bad English hope you understand..

 

[Jono777]

part of the reels rotates normally and one or two reels stops abruptly especially with thunderstruck 2 , sorry for my bad English hope you understand..

That's more likely server lag or even your computer / devices processor. Happens from time to time.

 

[trancemonkey]

part of the reels rotates normally and one or two reels stops abruptly especially with thunderstruck 2 , sorry for my bad English hope you understand..

Microgaming can be rubbish at times... If the server takes too long to respond, when the game finally gets the result it stops the reels instantly. Crap...

 

[videoslotheaven]

There is this casino i play that shows your RTP: As of now,this month and liftime.

I find it funny tough i cashed out the other day and have played there 3 times since then and my rtp has been as follows: 58,4%,54% and today 38,7%. Random games magicly turns extremley cold after a cashout. I find that this always happens without exeption. How is this possible?

 

[Playford7]

There is this casino i play that shows your RTP: As of now,this month and liftime.

I find it funny tough i cashed out the other day and have played there 3 times since then and my rtp has been as follows: 58,4%,54% and today 38,7%. Random games magicly turns extremley cold after a cashout. I find that this always happens without exeption. How is this possible?

Because it's random. You can win for 10 cashouts, or never cashout once over 50 deposits. Random is random.

 

[Tirilej]

Because it's random. You can win for 10 cashouts, or never cashout once over 50 deposits. Random is random.

It can't be random can it? I've had those extremly lucky periods where I just couldn't lose. One time it was ongoing for 8 month, and another for 6 months
I mean, that had to be based by my skills of clicking in the right way, or always know how to talk to my sweet computer.
...or those people who works at those places maybe thought I was nice and deserved it

I've never noticed any game or any particular casino being cold after all of my cashouts. I have seen them go back to normal though

 

[Playford7]

It can't be random can it? I've had those extremly lucky periods where I just couldn't lose. One time it was ongoing for 8 month, and another for 6 months
I mean, that had to be based by my skills of clicking in the right way, or always know how to talk to my sweet computer.
...or those people who works at those places maybe thought I was nice and deserved it

I've never noticed any game or any particular casino being cold after all of my cashouts. I have seen them go back to normal though

Haha totally!...
I had great cashouts for ages at betat, thought I was onto life changing money and retire from work!..sadly one day that changed!...
Videoslots never had a cashout, and that's a fantastic casino.
I once took a no bonus offer at one casino for a free fiver and cashed out over £500....
It's not the casino, it's not the provider infact, it's pure random luck!... but I must say, the way you talk to the computer makes the most difference haha loved that!. Great post mate

 

[TheAddict]

Pfft, someone hasnt even mastered the art of impulsive selective clicking yet.
If you finally get there, try exploiting the cover screen as much as possible and while trying to locate its soft spot for a little rub method. for some hardcore bookie punters with all the time in the world this still hasnt been perfected yet.

 

[Playford7]

Pfft, someone hasnt even mastered the art of impulsive selective clicking yet.
If you finally get there, try exploiting the cover screen as much as possible and while trying to locate its soft spot for a little rub method. for some hardcore bookie punters with all the time in the world this still hasnt been perfected yet.

Count to 4 exactly and pray to the moon gods, hold it for a second then press. Guarenteed gold pot

 

[Jono777]

I'll provide a copy of my best seller "How to make that F*kin 3rd+ Scatter Drop every time" for anyone interested?

£19.99 (or currency equivalent) Including postage from all good bull shitters

 

[oldschooldm]

trancemonkey,

I have another question if you don't mind. Take the slot Pimped for example, or any other game with "Win Spins". According to the rules "The Win Spins™ feature is a set of free spins where each spin guarantees at least one winning combination to appear."

So I suppose the RNG simply filters all possible winning combinations from the losing combinations, and picks one of the winning combinations at random? Or is there more to it?

Thanks

 

[trancemonkey]

trancemonkey,

I have another question if you don't mind. Take the slot Pimped for example, or any other game with "Win Spins". According to the rules "The Win Spins™ feature is a set of free spins where each spin guarantees at least one winning combination to appear."

So I suppose the RNG simply filters all possible winning combinations from the losing combinations, and picks one of the winning combinations at random? Or is there more to it?

Thanks

Hey - thanks for the question. There are two ways you can do this - the first is not legal in every jurisdiction.

1 You keep picking reels positions (spin outcomes) until you get a winning spin and then you display that. However in some jurisdictions this is not allowed as you are not allowed to "throw results away". Online, as far as I know this would be fine as long as it only threw losing results away and didn't throw winning results away based on what they were (for example you couldn't throw a winning result away just because it was over or below a certain value).

2. This is what I would do... I would predetermine a lot of winning positions (say 10,000 for example) and then pull one at random for each spin. Obviously you would have to make sure that doing this over X number of spins gave you the feature average you wanted but you could of course weight the picks to achieve this.

Hope that helps

 

[Monnii]

Hey, I was wondering what the goal with the reel spin programming for the html 5 doa is:
If you get a scatter on say- reel 3 on the top, you can sometimes see that there is one just above that one, which is ofcourse impossible to get, also if you get 4 scatters the fifth one will almost always be one above or below.

Also in the freespins, i can see that the wilds drop in one above, especially when you need that one more i had it drop for 4 consecutive spins one there.
So what im asking is, Is it simply to get the player frustrated that it was "so close" everytime. Because i think it's insulting.
And i have a really hard time imagining its just A) random or B) sloppy programing when you think about how popular doa is.
Thanks in advance

 

[Simmo!]

The posts re slots fairness snipped and moved to dedicated thread: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/slots-fairness-discussion-cut-from-other-thread.77844/

Let's keep this thread on topic please. This thread is for players that don't believe games are rigged from hereon in so no more debate about games being rigged here...use the other thread for that

 

[nikantw]

I see situations like this many, many times every single day. Players get "lucky" for a while and get their balance way above starting point.

I 100% promise you that due to probability and randomness and a built in house edge one certain thing is GUARANTEED. If you dont withdraw and you carry on playing, whether you increase your bet level, reduce your bet levels or remain the same the one thing that is common is that every single one of these players will lose their ENTIRE balance at some point.

This is irrespective of which provider, which game or which country they live in. It is a mathematical fact and the reason why there is a house edge.

Unless in movies or TV. I remember in "Las Vegas" a guy was winning big and they offered him things to keep him there. He just kept winning! So at a point they tell him "we are really sorry, but we simply can't afford to let you play any more".

That is why (back to the real world) RTP should be seen as "how long you will play before you lose all your money".
And that is why (IMHO) it is the most important thing for RG besides fair game. 2% lower RTP translates to half playtime (or something like that) and the more you play without losing the higher the chances to withdraw and recover most of your loses.

Lose small --> happy player
Lose big --> addiction

 

[Tirilej]

Unless in movies or TV. I remember in "Las Vegas" a guy was winning big and they offered him things to keep him there. He just kept winning! So at a point they tell him "we are really sorry, but we simply can't afford to let you play any more".

That is why (back to the real world) RTP should be seen as "how long you will play before you lose all your money".
And that is why (IMHO) it is the most important thing for RG besides fair game. 2% lower RTP translates to half playtime (or something like that) and the more you play without losing the higher the chances to withdraw and recover most of your loses.

Lose small --> happy player
Lose big --> addiction

Not correct! Instead it should be:
Lose what you can afford to lose - Happy player
Lose more than you can afford to, big or small - maybe an addiction
But it's still not really true because addiction have nothing to do with money really. That's just consequences.

 

[Jono777]

Not correct! Instead it should be:
Lose what you can afford to lose - Happy player
Lose more than you can afford to, big or small - maybe an addiction
But it's still not really true because addiction have nothing to do with money really. That's just consequences.

Sorry Sara have to disagree on this one. In the nicest possible way of course....

The things I've witnessed, stories I've heard over the years what some will do to get money to feed their addiction (not just gambling) are enough to give some nightmares....

*Shudders*

 

[Tirilej]

Sorry Sara have to disagree on this one. In the nicest possible way of course....

The things I've witnessed, stories I've heard over the years what some will do to get money to feed their addiction (not just gambling) are enough to give some nightmares....

*Shudders*

I do have worked with people that have different kind of addiction for several years, even gamblers, so I do have a bit of knowledge

What I mean is that it doesn't matter if you lose a little or a lot. It depends on what you have from the start.
If you don't have that much and you are addicted then you need to get money at all cost.
If you have a lot of money then the consequences are a bit different. What all have in common though is their behaviour, their feelings, or lack of them.

If you give the drugs for free to a drug addict he don't need to get criminal, but he will still suffer a lot of consequenses. See my point?

People get addicted to games online that are free!!! It doesn't have anything to do with money. That's just a tool you might need. Time can be another tool..or food.
That was a little bit about the money part. Now it's movie time


Edit: Sorry for more derailing. Maybe start another thread again aside from this....

 

[trancemonkey]

Hey, I was wondering what the goal with the reel spin programming for the html 5 doa is:
If you get a scatter on say- reel 3 on the top, you can sometimes see that there is one just above that one, which is ofcourse impossible to get, also if you get 4 scatters the fifth one will almost always be one above or below.

Also in the freespins, i can see that the wilds drop in one above, especially when you need that one more i had it drop for 4 consecutive spins one there.
So what im asking is, Is it simply to get the player frustrated that it was "so close" everytime. Because i think it's insulting.
And i have a really hard time imagining its just A) random or B) sloppy programing when you think about how popular doa is.
Thanks in advance

This is extremely sloppy programming in my view. To show a reel position which is impossible (I.e two scatters next to each other) is pretty bad and I'm surprised that NetEnt have done this or released the game with that fault.

 

[plasticnote]

Dear trancemonkey:

Thank you for sharing information with us. I have a question regarding currency. How online slots handle different currencies? Does the same slots with different currency options know what currency is in use when a bet is made?

Thank you

plasticnote