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Are Liberty Slots worse crooks than we think?

maphesto

maphesto

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I don´t know if someone has set this up as a prank, but I don´t think so!

I have found a specific bond between Liberty Slots and Curgam Malta Ltd (Mighty Slots etc).

I googled Liberty Slots phone numbers and found the exact same numbers on this page: millionaireclubcasino.com

Liberty Slots:

Our Contact Support Center is provided by the friendly team at Liberty Slots.

Toll-Free:

1-800-571-4049

Regular line:

1-678-349-0094

Millionaire Club Casino:

Our Contact Support Center is provided by the friendly team at Millionaire Club Casino.

Toll-Free:

1-800-501-4049

Regular line:

1-608-309-0094

That page at millionaireclubcasino is setup for a VT-casino but is not in use, and a simple ip-check gave me 10 pages at same IP.

reverseip.webp

I think the page xxhttp://millionaireclubcasino.com/support.php is up by mistake because you can´t find it if you use www.

The strange thing is that they use the "club" after the old VT-casino name millionaire and this is exactly what they did at those VT-casinos which became Top Game casinos.
 
maphesto said:
I don´t know if someone has set this up as a prank, but I don´t think so!

I have found a specific bond between Liberty Slots and Curgam Malta Ltd (Mighty Slots etc).

I googled Liberty Slots phone numbers and found the exact same numbers on this page: millionaireclubcasino.com

Liberty Slots:

Our Contact Support Center is provided by the friendly team at Liberty Slots.

Toll-Free:

1-800-571-4049

Regular line:

1-678-349-0094

Millionaire Club Casino:

Our Contact Support Center is provided by the friendly team at Millionaire Club Casino.

Toll-Free:

1-800-501-4049

Regular line:

1-608-309-0094

That page at millionaireclubcasino is setup for a VT-casino but is not in use, and a simple ip-check gave me 10 pages at same IP.

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I think the page xxhttp://millionaireclubcasino.com/support.php is up by mistake because you can´t find it if you use www.

The strange thing is that they use the "club" after the old VT-casino name millionaire and this is exactly what they did at those VT-casinos which became Top Game casinos.
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Damm!!!! They have some really cool games. I was sooo hoping they werent a scam casino:(
 
maphesto said:
The strange thing is that they use the "club" after the old VT-casino name millionaire and this is exactly what they did at those VT-casinos which became Top Game casinos.
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Which VT casinos switched to Top Game?
(I don't remember that!)

It is also possible that 2 unrelated casinos/groups use shared outsourced support - it has been seen several times in the past.

KK
 
@KK: Crazy Slots became Crazy Slots Club, they use Top Game software today. Same with Golden Casino/goldencasinoclub and Go Casino/gocasinoclub.
 
maphesto said:
@KK: Crazy Slots became Crazy Slots Club, they use Top Game software today. Same with Golden Casino/goldencasinoclub and Go Casino/gocasinoclub.
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Great detectivework Maephesto:thumbsup:

Stupid question maybe, but I never played at English Harbour. They were accused of being changing to Liberty Slots, and those casinos you mentioned here, wasn't they in the same group as EH?
I'm trying to get it all together here;)
 
Tirilej said:
Great detectivework Maephesto:thumbsup:

Stupid question maybe, but I never played at English Harbour. They were accused of being changing to Liberty Slots, and those casinos you mentioned here, wasn't they in the same group as EH?
I'm trying to get it all together here;)
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You are correct hun, Go Casino Club has exactly the same icon as they had when they were Go Casino, I joined them and asked CS if they were the same outfit as when they were Go Casino and the CS said yes.
 
Tirilej: If you wonder about those other casinos on the same server they are Rogue RTG-casinos. NO, absolutely no serious casino wants to admit they have bonds with that group.
 
maphesto said:
Tirilej: If you wonder about those other casinos on the same server they are Rogue RTG-casinos. NO, absolutely no serious casino wants to admit they have bonds with that group.
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That was one of the first things I learned about in this gamblingworld, but thanks for the thought...and at least everyone that reads this thread will know it by now:)
 
maphesto said:
Tirilej: If you wonder about those other casinos on the same server they are Rogue RTG-casinos. NO, absolutely no serious casino wants to admit they have bonds with that group.
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You have a headache doll, Im drunk as a skunk. Please expand? What group of casinos is this? I want to know what to avoid;)
 
Before someone asks why we don't leave Liberty Slots alone.... They have left themselves wide open to this poking around by players because they will not voluntarily offer up any info as to who they are, where they are licensed, and why they are focusing on USA players in the first place.

Shared support #'s with crap casinos isn't exactly damning, but it's not good...
 
One crafty test is to phone the similar Millionaires club number and ask about a problem you are having depositing at Liberty Slots. They should be unable to help, or may try to get you to deposit at Millionaires club instead. If they proceed to address your LS query, you have a positive connection of it being support shared between both groups.

A true landline number would be an even better test. Toll free numbers are allocated in sequential series to specific carriers, and this can generate such coincidences.
 
maphesto said:
Sorry! I messed up in my first post, the number I googled was Liberty Slots and this came up, the same number exactly!
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Oh dear!

That is pretty damning evidence.

It's not just the same outsourced support, it's the same LINE. Outsourced support usually has specific incoming lines for specific clients, so that the agent knows which client a call is for, and can deliver the correct greeting.

The above test WOULD therefore work. The inbound lines are the same, so when the call is answered, the agent does not know whether it is about Liberty Slots or Millionaires club. This is something they have to establish during the greeting stage.

How EXACTLY are you greeted when phoning LS?

Do they start "Liberty Slots, how may I help you" or is it "hello, my name is ------, can I have your account number please". The trick here is that they don't give the game away in the greeting, so establish which client they have to work for from the reference given by the customer. They then know, and make sure they use the correct business name for the rest of the call.

Sometimes outsourced support gets it wrong, and carelessly mentions the name of another business instead. This is often how outsourced CS and "white labels" get busted where they are trying to keep it a secret from players.

Now, who else shares the same number.

This is beyond coincidence, the imagery is the same, as well as the number. Clearly a single template with the revelant casino name and email address dropped in. The most innocent explanation I can think of is that LS have outsourced their support to Millionaires club.
 
Tirilej said:
Great detective work Maephesto:thumbsup:

Stupid question maybe, but I never played at English Harbour. They were accused of being changing to Liberty Slots, and those casinos you mentioned here, wasn't they in the same group as EH?
I'm trying to get it all together here;)
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No, they were a different group.
For ref...

Casino Coins Group were:
English Harbour
SuperSlots
Silver Dollar
Caribbean Gold
VIP Slots
Slots Galore
Millionaire

Best Casino Partners were:
Crazy Slots
Go Casino
Grand Vegas
Online Vegas
And possibly 2 more (I was never 100% certain!)

For information; When these groups shut up shop, Casino Coins DID pay me the commission I was owed at the time, Best Casino Partners did NOT :mad:

KK
 
Hi All,

Before anyone goes rushing to conclusions, Liberty Slots is in absolutely no way related to Millionaire Club. This is scraped content from our website.

We were unaware of this websites existence until it was posted here and are investigating the scraped content.

The phone number you see on their site is OUR support number and only OUR support number.

Regards,

Dylan
 
LIBERTY SLOTS Please make a statement about the on going fear / doubt that shadows you here on the license thing were not asking you to incriminate but put to rest the conjecture that is surrounding the license thing [every one here is wishing you guys are above board ] but this issue is a dead horse hanging

thank you very much rockycatt
 
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LibertySlots said:
Hi All,

Before anyone goes rushing to conclusions, Liberty Slots is in absolutely no way related to Millionaire Club. This is scraped content from our website.

We were unaware of this websites existence until it was posted here and are investigating the scraped content.

The phone number you see on their site is OUR support number and only OUR support number.

Regards,

Dylan
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What motive would there be to do this?

From KK's post. Both English Harbour and Millionaire were "Casino Coins" properties. This entire group closed down, and Vegas Technology sold the software off and itself closed down. The new software company then licensed the software to Liberty Slots, itself a completely new group.

Liberty Slots is ALSO guilty of a "site scrape", as it simply copied the entire English Harbour website and tweaked it ( and not all that carefully either) into a Liberty Slots website.

Whoever now owns the defunct Millionaire's club website simply did the same, scraped the Liberty Slots website and made it into a Millionaires' club one, and was equally careless in that they forgot to alter the phone numbers, leading to a Millionaires club website with Liberty Slots phone numbers.

This is bound to cause probing questions to be asked, and all the other oddities surrounding Liberty Slots, including their lack of a recognised gaming license, just makes matters worse.

With Millionaires' club having closed down along with the rest of the casino coins group, how come there has been NEW work on this website that has caused the CURRENT Liberty Slots phone number to end up there after a site scrape. Who the hell spends time and money on a dead website with no likely payoff?

We are sure to find out soon enough.
 
The software provider has been contacted regarding Millionaire Club Casino's website.

VWM, Millionaire Club Casino from my knowledge is a new website/brand. The old CasinoCoins casino was called Millionaire Casino.

In regards to the gaming license, this has already been discussed in length. We are operating above board and are treating both our affiliates and players well. It has been explained why we have chosen not to publicly post our licensing information.
 
LibertySlots said:
The software provider has been contacted regarding Millionaire Club Casino's website.

VWM, Millionaire Club Casino from my knowledge is a new website/brand. The old CasinoCoins casino was called Millionaire Casino.

In regards to the gaming license, this has already been discussed in length. We are operating above board and are treating both our affiliates and players well. It has been explained why we have chosen not to publicly post our licensing information.
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No LEGITIMATE licensing jurisdiction would ALLOW this, therefore whatever you have in terms of a license is not to be trusted. One common factor of ANY license is that it proves to CUSTIMERS that you have been passed as fit to operate according to whatever jurisdiction issues the license.

If it is a secret license, it is a COMPANY license, not a GAMING license, and probably one granted by a jurisdiction such as Belize, where companies are able to register and keep much of their company information hidden.

Belize DO issue such "company" licenses for companies to base themselves there and operate overseas. As this is a license to operate a company, rather than a license intended to regulate the way customers are dealt with, this CAN be kept secret, and be no problem for the issuing authority.

We can certainly say where LS is NOT licensed, and that is with ANY jurisdiction that requires this information to be publicly available, either from the operator, or on their own websites. With these jurisdictions ruled out as possible licensing jurisdictions for LS, we seem to have nothing left other than jurisdictions like Belize, Panama, and Costa Rica, which don't issue gaming licenses anyway.

The most likely conclusion is that LS is operating without one.

If Millionaire Club is a new operation, and unconnected to LS, it seems odd that they would nick YOUR content, rather than the content of a casino that at least uses the same software as itself.

If I had to design a site for, say, a Playtech casino, but decided to take a short cut and nick someone else's hard work, I would go for another Playtech site, less work involved in modifying the content. I would NOT nick, say, a Microgaming site, and then be faced with almost as much work changing it to a Playtech one as I would have faced starting from scratch.

This could even get more interesting if this new operator takes exception to this accusation.
 
There are quite a few affiliate sites stating that Liberty Slots is licensed by the Netherlands Antilles:confused:


The level of agreement between them is pretty close, and they have the history behind the software spot on.

Somebody must be feeding affiliates this information, yet according to the rep it is completely wrong, therefore a bunch of affiliates are misleading players into believing Liberty Slots holds a license from Netherlands Antilles.

Do we have a sack of rogue affiliates, or a can of worms?

This MUST be wrong, since Netherlands Antilles REQUIRE that operators show the seal and link back to the license validation on the licensing site.

Liberty Slots needs to get these affiliates to remove this bogus licensing information from their reviews, and show no information about licensing, as this has not been disclosed by Liberty Slots.
 
LibertySlots said:
Hi All,

Before anyone goes rushing to conclusions, Liberty Slots is in absolutely no way related to Millionaire Club. This is scraped content from our website.

We were unaware of this websites existence until it was posted here and are investigating the scraped content.

The phone number you see on their site is OUR support number and only OUR support number.

Regards,

Dylan
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In that case, I have found the location of your offices, if not your servers.

Lilburn, GA.

Looks to be on a main street, just where one would find a callcentre.

Can get even more for $5.
 
maphesto said:
Which were those 2 you aren't certain about?
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Nine.com
and
Golden Casino

For some reason I have Golden marked as "BCP?" and Nine as just "???" on my master spreadsheet.
These were casinos I came across some years ago and so added them to my sheet.
I can't remember how or where I found them now. :o

KK
 
Members here should be saying to liberty slots:

"If you won't show us your license, we won't show you our money"

Anyone who deposits now that they refuse to reveal where they're licensed (if they even are) is doing the industry and players in general a grave disservice.

I also think the LS rep needs to tone down the attitude....if they don't want difficult questions, then provide some simple answers.
 
I agree.

I have not and will not deposit since hearing that have refused to reveal their license.

I am very upset, as I love these slots..and I think that they knew this and that the USA are limited in the games that can be played..AS OF NOW;) Hopefully, not for long.

Their loss, in the long run.
 
It's also pretty apparently they either got permission or stole there authorization forms from Jackpot Capital.
If you read the .doc available on Google. It would appear that they got some sort of "permission" or just took it up on themselves to copy the Jackpot Capital agreement. Maybe people are sniffing in the wrong direction and maybe Jackpot Capital's owners have something to do with them?
 
Why would they need to "steal" players information when they probably still had the player data base from EH group?

I just deposited 45.00 with the Wednesday bonus and cashed out 1000+.

I don't consider them crooks and other than Top Game casinos that pay very........slow; they are the only software available to u.s. players and I love their games and their daily tournaments, that are truly free, while some rtg free rolls require a lcent deposit.
 
footdr said:
Why would they need to "steal" players information when they probably still had the player data base from EH group?

I just deposited 45.00 with the Wednesday bonus and cashed out 1000+.

I don't consider them crooks and other than Top Game casinos that pay very........slow; they are the only software available to u.s. players and I love their games and their daily tournaments, that are truly free, while some rtg free rolls require a lcent deposit.
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They seem fine at the moment, but they could just as easily "do a Rushmore" in the future and have players so worked up that some threaten chargebacks just to get paid.


The BIG issue is their gaming license. Whilst they say this is a secret one that can't be revealed, I can find NO licensing jurisdiction that would permit a licensee to keep their license under wraps.

SOMEONE is telling affiliates they are licensed in the Netherlands Antilles, and if that someone works for the LS affy program, we have an even worse situation that keeping a license secret. The result is that large numbers of affiliate sites that promote LS are telling players about a gaming license that does not exist, and this is highly misleading since these players would play in the belief they DO have a recognised license.

I am also wondering just HOW the LS bosses were able to "complain to the software supplier" about the new Millionaire site that nicked LS content (itself nicked from EH:rolleyes:). I visited the site, and it is a work in progress as the rep said, but it is so incomplete that the software supplier is not stated, nor can the casino be downloaded to see.

The ONLY evidence is the list of games, but if this content was nicked from LS, how does this determine who the software supplier is?
 
footdr said:
Why would they need to "steal" players information when they probably still had the player data base from EH group?

I just deposited 45.00 with the Wednesday bonus and cashed out 1000+.

I don't consider them crooks and other than Top Game casinos that pay very........slow; they are the only software available to u.s. players and I love their games and their daily tournaments, that are truly free, while some rtg free rolls require a lcent deposit.
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Ummmm....since when are they the only software available to US players? You really seem to be ill-informed of late.

The fact you still think topgame are great, and that you'll deposit somewhere that won't even tell anyone about their license (probably because they don't have one) speaks volumes about how much you really want to "help" and "inform" other members.

The only people you're doing on your quest to take every freebie and bonus you can find is the rogue operators you support with your money. The PR you give them here they could never buy. I have no doubt you have brought them some new suckers already.

Of course, the minute they don't pay you, they'll be crooks of the highest order, just like rushmore, who you used to praise for their "great bonuses".

I hope that when some of these rogues rip you off, which they will, that nobody assists you, as you would have totally dug your own grave.
 
Nifty29 said:
Ummmm....since when are they the only software available to US players? You really seem to be ill-informed of late.

The fact you still think topgame are great, and that you'll deposit somewhere that won't even tell anyone about their license (probably because they don't have one) speaks volumes about how much you really want to "help" and "inform" other members.

The only people you're doing on your quest to take every freebie and bonus you can find is the rogue operators you support with your money. The PR you give them here they could never buy. I have no doubt you have brought them some new suckers already.

Of course, the minute they don't pay you, they'll be crooks of the highest order, just like rushmore, who you used to praise for their "great bonuses".

I hope that when some of these rogues rip you off, which they will, that nobody assists you, as you would have totally dug your own grave.
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there was a lot of applaud for rushmore back in the day from a rainstorm of members.
imo, playing any USA facing casino is risky at best and should be considered a short-lived venture.
 
I played there today and I had an error message come up (while I was winning) and it said to call "tech support"--i called "tech support" in Georgia and they said they couldn't help me so I went to live chat---What a nightmare that was---The rep was horribly rude and when I started questioning whether they were legit or not, the rep said, Unfortunately, we can not maintain an account for you and you have been "flagged" in our database..I said what is that supposed to mean? he said something about my credit cards and banks that I use with them--LMAO--I have never made a deposit with them--i just downloaded their casino today--I said I wanted an explanation of what he meant and if this casino was trying to scam people and he said--this chat is being terminated--LOL
Glad I had an error message or I would have never known that they were a bunch of idiots--Their "tech support" and customer service number is a place in Georgia--in other words, it is a call center

I would advise people to think long and hard before depositing with them--I'm glad I only downloaded and played with their money and not mine--they can keep the money that was winning..
 
plam6152 said:
I played there today and I had an error message come up (while I was winning) and it said to call "tech support"--i called "tech support" in Georgia and they said they couldn't help me so I went to live chat---What a nightmare that was---The rep was horribly rude and when I started questioning whether they were legit or not, the rep said, Unfortunately, we can not maintain an account for you and you have been "flagged" in our database..I said what is that supposed to mean? he said something about my credit cards and banks that I use with them--LMAO--I have never made a deposit with them--i just downloaded their casino today--I said I wanted an explanation of what he meant and if this casino was trying to scam people and he said--this chat is being terminated--LOL
Glad I had an error message or I would have never known that they were a bunch of idiots--Their "tech support" and customer service number is a place in Georgia--in other words, it is a call center

I would advise people to think long and hard before depositing with them--I'm glad I only downloaded and played with their money and not mine--they can keep the money that was winning..
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You ask questions about their credibilty, and then they make stuff up about banks and cards you are using as an excuse to boot you out.

Looks like they are on the run. These probing questions have made them VERY defensive indeed.

A legitimate casino would do their best to allay your fears, rather than confirm them.

It really does not matter what bank or cards you use, ALL are just as illegal as each other under UIGEA, a law they have specifically set about circumventing.

Are there likely to be legal problems for their staff in Georgia? They are an accessory to the crime of circumventing UIGEA.

It seems VERY odd for a company intent on such secrecy to employ staff in the US, as surely they get paid, and THIS is the money trail that will lead back to the owners, as such payments would have to be above board, and registered with the IRS for tax.

It wouldn't take much pressure from the DoJ to get the call centre staff to reveal as much detail as they know, so why does the company take the risk, rather than use an offshore call centre like many others do.
 
I don't get how they could possibly think that being secretive would not make people suspicious and that the knowledgeable folks around here wouldn't do some sleuthing of their own. The one thing that shocks me, assuming it's true is why in the world would they have a call center in the US? Seems that opens the door for more trouble down the road from US officials. But.......who knows (conspiracy theories, anyone) maybe they were set up by the DOJ themselves. I know it sounds far fetched, but...least we forget the DOJ did set up a payment processor.
 
bb28 said:
I don't get how they could possibly think that being secretive would not make people suspicious and that the knowledgeable folks around here wouldn't do some sleuthing of their own. The one thing that shocks me, assuming it's true is why in the world would they have a call center in the US? Seems that opens the door for more trouble down the road from US officials. But.......who knows (conspiracy theories, anyone) maybe they were set up by the DOJ themselves. I know it sounds far fetched, but...least we forget the DOJ did set up a payment processor.
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Linwood (the DOJ in sheep's clothing) processed payments to and from casinos efficiently and quickly for two years. Payment processing for USA players hasn't been the same since. LOL

And Dylan (the Liberty Slots rep)... while I appreciate you popping in and letting us know the Millionaire website is fake and scraped, I think you must understand the hesitance of some of us to accept that LS is truly 'one of the good guys'. Liberty Slots may be the best thing to pop up since sliced bread, but if I have no clue as to who had their hands in the dough... I'll have none of it. But, that's just my opinion.
 
bb28 said:
I don't get how they could possibly think that being secretive would not make people suspicious and that the knowledgeable folks around here wouldn't do some sleuthing of their own. The one thing that shocks me, assuming it's true is why in the world would they have a call center in the US? Seems that opens the door for more trouble down the road from US officials. But.......who knows (conspiracy theories, anyone) maybe they were set up by the DOJ themselves. I know it sounds far fetched, but...least we forget the DOJ did set up a payment processor.
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Their landline number traces back to a town in Georgia, and unlike toll free numbers, landline numbers are tied to a specific physical phone point. I expect the landline is for non-US players, as US players will probably use the toll free number. Maybe the call centre will argue that it only supports non-US players, so is not breaking UIGEA, or even assisting it's employing company to break it.

The rep also said this is their own call centre, not a shared one. By implication, it is therefore not outsourced, otherwise LS would have no control over what other clients were supported. It follows that LS is based in the US, but it's servers are offshore, so that it can say no gambling takes place on US soil, as it takes place on their servers, which are in a secret location.

Given the location is secret, it is possible that the servers are also located in the US, and thus they have no license. They would be very sensitive about revealing their location if this was the case, and if they gave out a fake licencing jurisdiction to cover themselves, it would be checked out and found to be false.

Locating where the servers are would also locate where it would be licensed.

Whilst not straight forward, it is not rocket science either;)
 
<sigh> I knew I shouldn't have looked at the forum while on holiday :rolleyes:

Anyway - right before I left, I met with one of the reps from Liberty Slots in person and I can assure you they are not crooks. Since Liberty Slots is US facing, and the climate in the US is rather whacked out, they choose to be anon - that's it. I am convinced that they are not trying to rip anyone off, and that they are not connected to any past roguish activities of other operators.

Now I'll go away - see you in a week :p
 
Casinomeister said:
<sigh> I knew I shouldn't have looked at the forum while on holiday :rolleyes:

Anyway - right before I left, I met with one of the reps from Liberty Slots in person and I can assure you they are not crooks. Since Liberty Slots is US facing, and the climate in the US is rather whacked out, they choose to be anon - that's it. I am convinced that they are not trying to rip anyone off, and that they are not connected to any past roguish activities of other operators.

Now I'll go away - see you in a week :p
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I wasn't suggesting they were crooks.

Considering plenty of other operators serve US players and are happy to be open about licencing, it has to raise a red flag when one operator either doesn't have a licence, or won't tell anyone about the one they have. I think its prudent and reasonable to be questioning such things.

If the reason for the issues is US ownership or operation, then what happens if the DOJ finds out and shuts them down?

I still don't like it.
 
Casinomeister said:
Anyway - right before I left, I met with one of the reps from Liberty Slots in person and I can assure you they are not crooks. Since Liberty Slots is US facing, and the climate in the US is rather whacked out, they choose to be anon - that's it. I am convinced that they are not trying to rip anyone off, and that they are not connected to any past roguish activities of other operators.
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Well in that case please don't forget when you get back to change this - which is on the front page of the main site. :thumbsup:

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Nifty29 said:
Considering plenty of other operators serve US players and are happy to be open about licencing, it has to raise a red flag when one operator either doesn't have a licence, or won't tell anyone about the one they have. I think its prudent and reasonable to be questioning such things.
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I took a quick look just now and it appears that Eliot Jacobson audited the games., maybe he knows where it's licensed?

Not trying to be dubious but Nifty makes a cogent point.
 

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I've seen unlicensed rogues claiming to have a licence when they haven't, but this is the first time I have come across an operator who claims to have a licence but will not disclose where for fear of US enforcement. That's a red flag for me, for the reasons Nifty has outlined above.

I would imagine if these guys are scared of US enforcement to that extent, they would have given more thought to where their support is located, too.

Allied to the other thread where we discussed the software and boiler plate website at some length (and we have only the assurance from the company itself on the separate nature of its operations vis-a-vis the erstwhile English Harbour and Vegas Tech group) I keep getting this uncomfortable feeling that these folks are trying to pull the wool over our eyes for reasons of their own.
 
i take it from Bryan's endorsement he must know inside info to endorse like he did , and that's OK by me

after all he is the main source of investigation on the board [so i'm good with that ]
 
jetset said:
I've seen unlicensed rogues claiming to have a licence when they haven't, but this is the first time I have come across an operator who claims to have a licence but will not disclose where for fear of US enforcement. That's a red flag for me, for the reasons Nifty has outlined above.

I would imagine if these guys are scared of US enforcement to that extent, they would have given more thought to where their support is located, too.

Allied to the other thread where we discussed the software and boiler plate website at some length (and we have only the assurance from the company itself on the separate nature of its operations vis-a-vis the erstwhile English Harbour and Vegas Tech group) I keep getting this uncomfortable feeling that these folks are trying to pull the wool over our eyes for reasons of their own.
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The other problem is that for some reason, all their affiliates are stating that they are licensed in the Netherlands Antilles. Surely affiliates don't just pull this from their ass, someone has told them to put this on their site as "approved content". Affiliates cannot have found this out for themselves either, as no licensing information has been given out by LS to anyone.

More importantly, these are reviews for "libertyslots(dot)eu", which is the non-US facing arm. This is a casino with no license marketing to non-US players, but having their affiliates lie by stating that they have a license from Netherlands Antilles.

If anyone knows an affiliate who runs one of these sites, they could ask who gave them the information that they have posted about the license. I find it hard to believe that a large number of affiliates have all decided to make up a fake license, and all chosen the same lie.

If they have a secret license, they should make sure their affiliates do NOT post falsely reassuring claims about them having a license which they don't, as this is WORSE than simply saying nothing at all about licensing.
 
I still think there are a lot of questions and inconsistencies that deserve answers. I also think any group/casino that enters the US market under the current conditions is taking a huge risk and if anyone ought to know that.....they should and they do, so I think their lack of being forthcoming with some answers does not bid well for them. I understand the need to keep some aspects under wraps but still. :eek: They still have not answered the question as to where they got players info that they invited via email before their official opening. :confused:

While I highly respect CM's opinion, LS wouldn't be the 1st casino to be dodgy and that has been put in the rogue pit or worse such as left players without their funds in hand after he has given them the benefit of the doubt.
 

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