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@Enzo: Is the flaw in logic you are referring that casinos make more profit from high rollers than smaller ones?
Anyone here still playing at 3Dice?
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What you are doing by playing less lines is increasing the variance; e.g. If you were playing 15 lines you would have 3 times more chance of hitting 5-of-a-kind of the top symbol than if you were only playing 5 lines. However if you're only playing the 5 lines your win is proportionally bigger compared to your total bet because you are only paying for 5 lines, not 15.
This is what Vegasbum does - he goes 100's of spins hitting nothing or very little, but when he hits almost any 5oak it's going to be a biggie!
You are obviously right that the more spins you get the higher the chance of hitting the feature, but equally playing fewer lines also increases the variance in the free-spins which means a bigger chance of winning zip - but if you get a lucky hit it could be mega! (As you have found out).
So yes, I do believe that a player like you (who deposits small) and plays like this has a better chance of getting a higher balance to the point of being able to play all lines with more coins which will result in a higher cashout in the end!
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I'm pretty sure the flaw Enzo is looking for is the fact that most of the time when playing with a bonus you bust out well before generating the playthrough which means a bonus costs the casino more than the simple formula would give.
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To use Enzo's example of the wheel with 100 stops, 1 pays 95 and rest nothing. Lets say 100 players deposit $1 and get $1 bonus with 20x playthrough. The casino will get $100 in total deposits. All 100 players bet $2 on one spin, one player wins $190 while the rest lose. The player that wins will bet 40 cents on each stop to complete his playthrough with no risk. Total loss $2 and cashout $188. The casino ends up paing out $88 of the $100 given in bonus and lose money overall.
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Congratulations Zap987 !
And although I agree its easier to derive when looking from the casino point of view, instead of 100 players, the equivalent is 100 bonuses for one player, arriving at the same end result.
For those who still haven't seen the light, lets do an easy-to-follow sample demonstrating the commonly used formula, and why it is flawed.
We will assume playing roulette, and playing maxbet on a single number. (Same principle applies to slots of course.). We will have a player that gets a weekly 100% $10 match bonus with a 20x(D+B) WR on it.
Using the commonly used formula and a 2.7% houseedge I find :
I commonly see people concluding from this that the casino will 'recover' $10.2 of the $10 bonus they give .. so 'take' $0.2 of your own deposit.
I see bonuses like this accompanied with the advice of playing them only if you're into playtime because you'll lose 0.2 ontop of the 10 bonus.
This is however fundamentally flawed .. lets take this bonus 37 weeks in a row (so that we dont just cover the win-case .. but also the lose cases.. ) and see what happens ..
given by casino : $370 - $30.24 = $339.76
This formula, which doesn't just cover the winning scenario, but also the losing scenario clearly demonstrates that this would be a particularly interesting bonus to take, cause in time you will end up keeping almost $340 of the $370 bonus that was given ..
Well done Zap, there's a $50 waiting in your 3Dice account. It has no WR attached to it.
Regards,
Enzo
And although I agree its easier to derive when looking from the casino point of view, instead of 100 players, the equivalent is 100 bonuses for one player, arriving at the same end result.
For those who still haven't seen the light, lets do an easy-to-follow sample demonstrating the commonly used formula, and why it is flawed.
We will assume playing roulette, and playing maxbet on a single number. (Same principle applies to slots of course.). We will have a player that gets a weekly 100% $10 match bonus with a 20x(D+B) WR on it.
Using the commonly used formula and a 2.7% houseedge I find :
Code:
depo $10 + bonus $10 = $20 start balance.
total wagering = $20 * 20 = $400
houseedge on wagering = $400 * 0.027 = $10.2 recovered.I commonly see people concluding from this that the casino will 'recover' $10.2 of the $10 bonus they give .. so 'take' $0.2 of your own deposit.
I see bonuses like this accompanied with the advice of playing them only if you're into playtime because you'll lose 0.2 ontop of the 10 bonus.
This is however fundamentally flawed .. lets take this bonus 37 weeks in a row (so that we dont just cover the win-case .. but also the lose cases.. ) and see what happens ..
Code:
depo 37*$10 + bonus 37*$10 = $740 start balance.
total wagering = $720 (36 losing spins)
+ $400 (WR from winning spin)
houseedge on wagering = $1120 * 0.027 = $30.24 recovered.given by casino : $370 - $30.24 = $339.76
This formula, which doesn't just cover the winning scenario, but also the losing scenario clearly demonstrates that this would be a particularly interesting bonus to take, cause in time you will end up keeping almost $340 of the $370 bonus that was given ..
Well done Zap, there's a $50 waiting in your 3Dice account. It has no WR attached to it.
Regards,
Enzo
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Enzo.....now you can do an easy question for us "dummies" who don't know anything about what you just wrote.
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Tooo funny but soooo right...english please
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Congratulations Zap987 !
And although I agree its easier to derive when looking from the casino point of view, instead of 100 players, the equivalent is 100 bonuses for one player, arriving at the same end result.
For those who still haven't seen the light, lets do an easy-to-follow sample demonstrating the commonly used formula, and why it is flawed.
We will assume playing roulette, and playing maxbet on a single number. (Same principle applies to slots of course.). We will have a player that gets a weekly 100% $10 match bonus with a 20x(D+B) WR on it.
Using the commonly used formula and a 2.7% houseedge I find :
Code:depo $10 + bonus $10 = $20 start balance. total wagering = $20 * 20 = $400 houseedge on wagering = $400 * 0.027 = $10.2 recovered.
I commonly see people concluding from this that the casino will 'recover' $10.2 of the $10 bonus they give .. so 'take' $0.2 of your own deposit.
I see bonuses like this accompanied with the advice of playing them only if you're into playtime because you'll lose 0.2 ontop of the 10 bonus.
This is however fundamentally flawed .. lets take this bonus 37 weeks in a row (so that we dont just cover the win-case .. but also the lose cases.. ) and see what happens ..
Code:depo 37*$10 + bonus 37*$10 = $740 start balance. total wagering = $720 (36 losing spins) + $400 (WR from winning spin) houseedge on wagering = $1120 * 0.027 = $30.24 recovered.
given by casino : $370 - $30.24 = $339.76
This formula, which doesn't just cover the winning scenario, but also the losing scenario clearly demonstrates that this would be a particularly interesting bonus to take, cause in time you will end up keeping almost $340 of the $370 bonus that was given ..
Well done Zap, there's a $50 waiting in your 3Dice account. It has no WR attached to it.
Regards,
Enzo
It's funny Enzo.....I was going to use almost that example myself, but didn't want to appear too "brainy".
Congrats Zap!! You math heads!!
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Hi Just Play, Silcnlayc,
Fair enough - lets play something everyone can join in on .. lets play a game of sacrifice ..
It's really simple and everyone can play. It's got a $25 prize and it works like this
.. the tenth person to thank this post gets $25 ...
(hows about that for an evil twist
)
Good luck everyone !
Fair enough - lets play something everyone can join in on .. lets play a game of sacrifice ..
It's really simple and everyone can play. It's got a $25 prize and it works like this
.. the tenth person to thank this post gets $25 ...
(hows about that for an evil twist
)Good luck everyone !
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Hi Just Play, Silcnlayc,
Fair enough - lets play something everyone can join in on .. lets play a game of sacrifice ..
It's really simple and everyone can play. It's got a $25 prize and it works like this .. the tenth person to thank this post gets $25 ...
(hows about that for an evil twist
Good luck everyone !
Well....how the hell will that work Mr. Math Head? LOL....no one will want to go first, or second, or third...and so on. Ha ha ha. Okay, I'll sacrifice myself and say thanks, and the rest of you can fight it out amongst yourselves.
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Well....how the hell will that work Mr. Math Head? LOL....no one will want to go first, or second, or third...and so on. Ha ha ha. Okay, I'll sacrifice myself and say thanks, and the rest of you can fight it out amongst yourselves.
lol
I know - rolling over the floor here... I should've called it the game of sacrifice .. oh wait .. I did ..
.. I'm confused .. oh wait .. maybe I'm not.
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lol
.. I should've called it the game of sacrifice .. oh wait .. I did ..
.. I'm confused .. oh wait .. maybe I'm not.
Diabolical sadist.
Do you want an answer on the "confused" part? :smilewink:
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Just to buck the trend a little bit here, I still play at 3Dice once a week or so and I really enjoy the slots. Although bear in mind I love high variance, I understand high variance and I play as much for entertainment. I had a few losing weeks, but then last week Fortune Falls hit me with a 200x and a 250x payout in the space of 10 minutes or so. $3,000 back in a few minutes.
As long as people understand that a high variance slot can give you 40, 50 or even more losing sessions, and sometimes very quick ones at that, but that every now and then it delivers a "woohoo!" moment, then that's how it works.
Players that don't like that should stick to low variance slots where your money lasts longer - they feel "fairer", but they're essentially the same in the long run. You just forego the "woohoo!" moments for "woo!" moments
As long as people understand that a high variance slot can give you 40, 50 or even more losing sessions, and sometimes very quick ones at that, but that every now and then it delivers a "woohoo!" moment, then that's how it works.
Players that don't like that should stick to low variance slots where your money lasts longer - they feel "fairer", but they're essentially the same in the long run. You just forego the "woohoo!" moments for "woo!" moments
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Just curious Mr. Muppet.....do you actually yell Woohoo out loud when you hit?
I punch the air....I'm the silent type
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Always good to have a contest Enzo.
I'll take one for the team anyday.
In case there is a surprise bonus gift for the first player, I will happily take a bonus with any WR attached!!
I must say though that Zap's scenario (and Enzo's) assume that the player will actually QUIT while ahead. Lower their bet to grind it out, and stop at the first possible opportunity. Pretty much all the folks in this forum are gamblers. Even KK does not always stop the moment he meets WR. And Enzo's scenario assumes you are playing single number roulette, a lower house edge that slots.
If a casino gets the kind of player that plays in that fashion, they are absoluty free to cease to offer bonuses for that player. Or raise the WR. My loyalty bonus at 3Dice changed for the 10th of the month due to a change in my level, since they evaluate every ten days. My $5ND bonus became a $10ND bonus. I called it a mixed blessing, because the WR changed from 10X to 15X. And the ND bonus chips are parted of a stated loyalty program at 3Dice. For the record, I bombed.
3Dice offers excellent bonus terms IMO, and all games and bets are allowed, including some that offer no playthrough credits, but do not disqualify you from your winnings if you do play them. We never hear 3Dice crying "bonus abuser". They lower bet limits while a bonus is in play, avoiding the double up and grind it strategy somewhat. There are definitely bonus strategies, but more players fail to employ them consistently.
If a business feels it need to cut back on it's bonuses, or change terms, that is well within their rights. The customers will vote with their deposits. A casino is free to choose which customers to retain, just like a pub or restaurant. You might not want to pour a free pint for the guy that always picks an argument and steals a roll of toilet paper before he goes home.
Back to the original thread...Bonuses and WR are not the only things that count for some players. I have met such lovely people at 3Dice. The support team is super. The addition of the radio with the release of Payola was great. There is a social aspect to 3Dice that is not present elsewhere online. So yes, I am still playing at 3Dice.
I have played dozens, if not hundreds of bonuses over the last year. If it did increased my edge, it did not increase it to the point where I am ahead. Part of that is my nature. But I have a lovely time, and my B&M comps have made me feel better about my losses and playback of winnings.
Plus I gamble...maybe next time
I'll take one for the team anyday.
In case there is a surprise bonus gift for the first player, I will happily take a bonus with any WR attached!!
I must say though that Zap's scenario (and Enzo's) assume that the player will actually QUIT while ahead. Lower their bet to grind it out, and stop at the first possible opportunity. Pretty much all the folks in this forum are gamblers. Even KK does not always stop the moment he meets WR. And Enzo's scenario assumes you are playing single number roulette, a lower house edge that slots.
If a casino gets the kind of player that plays in that fashion, they are absoluty free to cease to offer bonuses for that player. Or raise the WR. My loyalty bonus at 3Dice changed for the 10th of the month due to a change in my level, since they evaluate every ten days. My $5ND bonus became a $10ND bonus. I called it a mixed blessing, because the WR changed from 10X to 15X. And the ND bonus chips are parted of a stated loyalty program at 3Dice. For the record, I bombed.
3Dice offers excellent bonus terms IMO, and all games and bets are allowed, including some that offer no playthrough credits, but do not disqualify you from your winnings if you do play them. We never hear 3Dice crying "bonus abuser". They lower bet limits while a bonus is in play, avoiding the double up and grind it strategy somewhat. There are definitely bonus strategies, but more players fail to employ them consistently.
If a business feels it need to cut back on it's bonuses, or change terms, that is well within their rights. The customers will vote with their deposits. A casino is free to choose which customers to retain, just like a pub or restaurant. You might not want to pour a free pint for the guy that always picks an argument and steals a roll of toilet paper before he goes home.
Back to the original thread...Bonuses and WR are not the only things that count for some players. I have met such lovely people at 3Dice. The support team is super. The addition of the radio with the release of Payola was great. There is a social aspect to 3Dice that is not present elsewhere online. So yes, I am still playing at 3Dice.
I have played dozens, if not hundreds of bonuses over the last year. If it did increased my edge, it did not increase it to the point where I am ahead. Part of that is my nature. But I have a lovely time, and my B&M comps have made me feel better about my losses and playback of winnings.
Plus I gamble...maybe next time
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I punch the air....I'm the silent type
Ahhh....strong, silent and blue. The man...errr...muppet of my dreams.
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Ahhh....strong, silent and blue. The man...errr...muppet of my dreams.
Your avatar scares me
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Hi Just Play, Silcnlayc,
Fair enough - lets play something everyone can join in on .. lets play a game of sacrifice ..
It's really simple and everyone can play. It's got a $25 prize and it works like this
.. the tenth person to thank this post gets $25 ...
(hows about that for an evil twist
Good luck everyone !
That doesn't work....it goes in alphabetical order
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lol ya'll are funny
Thanks
Cindy
Thanks
Cindy
OMG LMAO
Enzo are you blonde??? I am going to be the 7th to thank your post BUT..since my name begins with a "b", ill be the first
Im busy drinking my new concoction
OOps edit: I knew I meant to write something else....I could of sworn that Pina said your flaw theory right off the bat? Didnt she actually win because her answer was about ppl thinking a bonus doesnt cost the casino money?
Enzo are you blonde??? I am going to be the 7th to thank your post BUT..since my name begins with a "b", ill be the first
Im busy drinking my new concoction
OOps edit: I knew I meant to write something else....I could of sworn that Pina said your flaw theory right off the bat? Didnt she actually win because her answer was about ppl thinking a bonus doesnt cost the casino money?
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OMG LMAO
Enzo are you blonde??? I am going to be the 7th to thank your post BUT..since my name begins with a "b", ill be the first
I just said that!!!
Babs, you better cut down on the new concoction
on edit....I guess people could just say what place they thanked in...
Well Ill be damned!!! You sure did say it and I missed it. I usually skim posts (like that lady in the 70's who started that speed reading thing) What was that method called again?
Anyway, sorry about! I think Ill stop at 2 of these drinks I invented tonight. It is soooo yummy yet sounds so disgusting. Its in the attic if your interested in knowing what im drinking lol
Anyway, sorry about! I think Ill stop at 2 of these drinks I invented tonight. It is soooo yummy yet sounds so disgusting. Its in the attic if your interested in knowing what im drinking lol
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Well....
How was I to know that I was alphabetically advantaged? (and 10th at that!)
Hi Just Play, Silcnlayc,
Fair enough - lets play something everyone can join in on .. lets play a game of sacrifice ..
It's really simple and everyone can play. It's got a $25 prize and it works like this
.. the tenth person to thank this post gets $25 ...
(hows about that for an evil twist
Good luck everyone !
How was I to know that I was alphabetically advantaged? (and 10th at that!)
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How was I to know that I was alphabetically advantaged? (and 10th at that!)
WTG!! I was the 9th thanker like 2 HOURS ago!
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WTG!! I was the 9th thanker like 2 HOURS ago!
Thank you
I skimmed through the messages and at first glance, I thought it was the 10th person to reply vs. "thanks". Upon reading again, I counted the thanks and was quite surprised myself!It's okay... I happened to "donate" more than that to 3Dice tonight! I thought it was time to hit the high variance, but the high variance hit me instead!
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Hi Trade !
$25 waiting in your account ! Congratulations !!
Enzo.
p.s. Babs, Just Play, ... I'm not blonde ... the user cp link on the top of this forum shows you who sends you thanks and when - so I could easily see who was the tenth person to thank me even if people would've clicked real close together
$25 waiting in your account ! Congratulations !!
Enzo.
p.s. Babs, Just Play, ... I'm not blonde ... the user cp link on the top of this forum shows you who sends you thanks and when - so I could easily see who was the tenth person to thank me even if people would've clicked real close together
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p.s. Babs, Just Play, ... I'm not blonde ... the user cp link on the top of this forum shows you who sends you thanks and when - so I could easily see who was the tenth person to thank me even if people would've clicked real close together
We are the blond ones then...hahahahaha
We are the blond ones then...hahahahaha
Im not totally convinced of that. Enzo probably thought of that answer at the last second
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Hi Just Play, Silcnlayc,
Fair enough - lets play something everyone can join in on .. lets play a game of sacrifice ..
It's really simple and everyone can play. It's got a $25 prize and it works like this
.. the tenth person to thank this post gets $25 ...
(hows about that for an evil twist
Good luck everyone !
An evil twist? Then you should have awarded the 13th person who neg rep'd you for that post.
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I am not questioning Enzo's mathematical analysis but the player advantage he indicated can only be realised over a very lengthy period given that you are betting your whole bankroll on a single number resulting in extremely high variance. 37 tries simply isnt enough. I would say 1000 would be more like it so even if its a weekly bonus, it may take close to 20 years to gain this advantage lol.
A house edge on wagering occurs when there is play over an extensive period with numerous bets. There could be wild swings either way if the number of bets are small and where the whole bankroll is wagered. Simply put, these 2 things dont mix.
We are also assuming here that the winning bet is the first bet. There are still $380 WRs to go so if the player continues to bet $20 and loses the remaining 19 bets he just gets his deposit back and not the $400 as mentioned.
A house edge on wagering occurs when there is play over an extensive period with numerous bets. There could be wild swings either way if the number of bets are small and where the whole bankroll is wagered. Simply put, these 2 things dont mix.
We are also assuming here that the winning bet is the first bet. There are still $380 WRs to go so if the player continues to bet $20 and loses the remaining 19 bets he just gets his deposit back and not the $400 as mentioned.
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Hi Chuchu,
That's not correct chuchu, in my example the player only wins on the 37th try. On average, 36 out of 37 players will do _better_ than my example ..
If a player keeps taking this weekly bonus, then on average he will cash-out $9.18 of the $10 bonus.
The odds of not hitting a single number in roulette when playing :
8 spins : 80% (so 20% cashes out in first two months of this promo.)
16 spins : 64% (so 36% cashes out in first four months of this promo.)
32 spins : 41% (so 59% cashes out in first 8 months of this promo.)
48 spins : 26% (so 74% cashes out in first year.).
96 spins : only 7% doesnt profit in first two years. (but they will eventually.)
More importantly, on the long term, every single player that would only take this bonus, and plays as described (immediate bust or cash-out as soon as WR is met) will profit, they will cash-out on average once every 37 times and the average amount will be $1089.76.
Actually, I was assuming the last bet is the winning bet. (counting 36 losses before we hit our number). For the winners, (on average 1 in 37 as mentioned above ..), the odds that the 19 remanining bets, played the same way are all losers are 59% .. so indeed those players get their deposit back when they meet the WR. But the other 41% has a balance of at least $1060 by the time the meet the WR. So you should expect to cashout _at least_ 1k every 41% of 1/37 which is once every 90 times. Once every 62 times you should expect to get your deposit back, and 36 of every 37 times you should expect to lose. ( and yes 36/37 + 1/90 + 1/62 ~= 1)
In conclusion, this particular sample, would take far from forever, and would be a very interesting bonus indeed. In fincancial terms we are talking a ROI of 91.8%.
If 90 times is to much for you, you could do the same with a say 1 in 9 bet as opposed to a 1 in 37 one. (bet on 4 numbers). Roughly speaking it will increase the frequency 4fold and decrease the average cash-out amount to 1/4th. But doing that will mean more than one win is needed to clear the WR, which means more playthrough, so more going back to the casino (it would still be a very profitable bonus..).
Regards,
Enzo
That's not correct chuchu, in my example the player only wins on the 37th try. On average, 36 out of 37 players will do _better_ than my example ..
If a player keeps taking this weekly bonus, then on average he will cash-out $9.18 of the $10 bonus.
The odds of not hitting a single number in roulette when playing :
8 spins : 80% (so 20% cashes out in first two months of this promo.)
16 spins : 64% (so 36% cashes out in first four months of this promo.)
32 spins : 41% (so 59% cashes out in first 8 months of this promo.)
48 spins : 26% (so 74% cashes out in first year.).
96 spins : only 7% doesnt profit in first two years. (but they will eventually.)
More importantly, on the long term, every single player that would only take this bonus, and plays as described (immediate bust or cash-out as soon as WR is met) will profit, they will cash-out on average once every 37 times and the average amount will be $1089.76.
Actually, I was assuming the last bet is the winning bet. (counting 36 losses before we hit our number). For the winners, (on average 1 in 37 as mentioned above ..), the odds that the 19 remanining bets, played the same way are all losers are 59% .. so indeed those players get their deposit back when they meet the WR. But the other 41% has a balance of at least $1060 by the time the meet the WR. So you should expect to cashout _at least_ 1k every 41% of 1/37 which is once every 90 times. Once every 62 times you should expect to get your deposit back, and 36 of every 37 times you should expect to lose. ( and yes 36/37 + 1/90 + 1/62 ~= 1)
In conclusion, this particular sample, would take far from forever, and would be a very interesting bonus indeed. In fincancial terms we are talking a ROI of 91.8%.
If 90 times is to much for you, you could do the same with a say 1 in 9 bet as opposed to a 1 in 37 one. (bet on 4 numbers). Roughly speaking it will increase the frequency 4fold and decrease the average cash-out amount to 1/4th. But doing that will mean more than one win is needed to clear the WR, which means more playthrough, so more going back to the casino (it would still be a very profitable bonus..).
Regards,
Enzo
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I still dont agree Enzo but then we all have our ways of calculation.
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Just some past thoughts I had
about 3dice.
See if this link works:https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/3dice-customer-support-top-notch.27829/
In case it doesn't, Jas I won this around beginning of Nov. The cool thing about this is that I won it from hitting, I think, 5 butterflys like 3 to 4 times and using $10 that I won from a tourney.
just a thought.
about 3dice.
See if this link works:https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/3dice-customer-support-top-notch.27829/
In case it doesn't, Jas I won this around beginning of Nov. The cool thing about this is that I won it from hitting, I think, 5 butterflys like 3 to 4 times and using $10 that I won from a tourney.
just a thought.
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WTG to you I never said I didn't like 3Dice an I never said that there wasnt a few winners I said there are a select few that win an that they do suck some accounts dry tooooo
I have seen winning screen shots an I have read the wah post
so your point is??
Cindy
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Their game has butterfly's?
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Uhm.....
No point, well not exactly.... well er uhm... except to point out that I still play at 3Dice and the reason is because I win and lose. Don't ask me why I would play at a place that I lose, but it happens. However, I don't have any screen shots of me losing since that makes me sad. The funny thing is that when the opposite happens, I am happy.
No point, well not exactly.... well er uhm... except to point out that I still play at 3Dice and the reason is because I win and lose. Don't ask me why I would play at a place that I lose, but it happens. However, I don't have any screen shots of me losing since that makes me sad. The funny thing is that when the opposite happens, I am happy.
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No point, well not exactly.... well er uhm... except to point out that I still play at 3Dice and the reason is because I win and lose. Don't ask me why I would play at a place that I lose, but it happens. However, I don't have any screen shots of me losing since that makes me sad. The funny thing is that when the opposite happens, I am happy.
isn't that special
continued good luck to you
so you will be
all the timeCindy
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and so do I...so I am going to look for those darn butterfly's that you said they had, the next time I play there ...to see if they indeed have some...
Not that I don't believe you but it's always a good thing to confim the source, right? .
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Their game has butterfly's?
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No point, well not exactly.... well er uhm... except to point out that I still play at 3Dice and the reason is because I win and lose. Don't ask me why I would play at a place that I lose, but it happens. However, I don't have any screen shots of me losing since that makes me sad. The funny thing is that when the opposite happens, I am happy.
isn't that special
continued good luck to you
so you will be
Cindy
and so do I...so I am going to look for those darn butterfly's that you said they had, the next time I play there ...to see if they indeed have some...
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I'm ROTFLMAO...you guys are a riot....wayyyyyyyyyyy to funny...:notworthy
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Well, what an interesting thread so far...
I've highlighted in red what I consider to be the most laughable statement
in the whole thread - Enzo knows why I think this...as does the other person he's discussed this with..and there's me thinking PM's were supposed to be kept between the two parties sending them.
Anyway...I get the distinct feeling that 3 Dice is a bit like Marmite (UK readers will understand this) - you either love it or hate it. If you love it, you're very well looked after by Enzo and Co. and are encouraged, it appears, to vilify those who dare to criticise the place - as is proved on this thread. IMO it's not so much a casino but more of a private members club with additional associate members making up the numbers. And Enzo's not stupid, he knows which members he needs to look after.
Again, in just my humble opinion, I think it's a place where- if you have to check how much you've deposited over a period of time, then you can't afford to play there.
I've not said what I'd really like to say - the brute honesty bit - because I'm not convinced that'd be appropriate for a public forum. If you're 'one of the club' then good luck to you, I'm glad you enjoy playing there with all the bonuses that go with it. If you're one of the 'associate members' or you're considering becoming one, then you'll make your own mind up about the place
in your own time.
To all those in 'the club' please note that this is just my opinion, and seeing as I live in the UK and it's a free country, I'm allowed to express that. Also, you'll note, I have not named names - well except Enzo of course, but he is the boss (I assume) after all. With this being said, please don't bore me with any 'club-induced' tirades - if anyone, I'd want to speak to the organ-grinder and not the monkey...no offence.
Happy Xmas all
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Marmite? In Hong Kong, durian (a fruit) has the same effect. You either hate the smell of it or you love it wholeheartedly.
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I believe my Joy of Cooking says that is is illegal to carry this fragrant fruit (dragonfruit, jackfruit) on a public bus in some countries.
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Same question?
Anyone here still playing at 3Dice?
I had fun there a couple of moths ago, then its was not too bad for sometime but now i can hardly get any bonus round. I like Industria a lot. Deposited many times but never can get my balance up. Is it just me because its not fun anymore.
Anyone here still playing at 3Dice?
I had fun there a couple of moths ago, then its was not too bad for sometime but now i can hardly get any bonus round. I like Industria a lot. Deposited many times but never can get my balance up. Is it just me because its not fun anymore.
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Ive lost my last couple of deposits, lol.
So yes, I guess "I still play there".
So yes, I guess "I still play there".
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yeah I kinda sorta do
but I am gonna quit again
same people cashout an same people win the tourneys IMO
no I do not hate the casino I might go there tomorrow but I have noticed
Cindy
but I am gonna quit again
same people cashout an same people win the tourneys IMO
no I do not hate the casino I might go there tomorrow but I have noticed
Cindy
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Its a tough call with 3dice the problem i think is they really need more variety of slots. Most of them are high variance and we all know what that means.
But with it comes the nice factor that at least if you do hit you know your getting your funds. And it seems they pay just as fast as you hit that check out button. More slots plse plse plse enzo.
But with it comes the nice factor that at least if you do hit you know your getting your funds. And it seems they pay just as fast as you hit that check out button. More slots plse plse plse enzo.
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I think they still need a better loyalty program. If you want to move up in levels for better loyalty tournaments and better bonuses, you have to deposit at *least* once every 10 days...well, that isn't always possible due to a lot of people's schedules...I think if they were to review players once a month based on their deposits/play for that month, it would be a lot more fair to everyone involved...
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