Angel Casino - any knowledge about them ???

[poser]

Hi,

is there anyone who knows about this casino:

"Angel Casino" or "Ministering Angel Online Casino"

What soft do they run ?

Rogue ?

I never heard about them and now got mail...

THX

poser

 

[lots0]

New to me.

they say they are part of the 'Royal Flamingo Corp'.

Royal Flamingo Corp. is registered and licensed in Cyprus Nicosia and Republic of Panama. Has been a while in internet gambling business, internet marketing, programming software... So our players can be assured of high security and safety.

Suite 5, Milano Bldg.,Boulevard El Dorado
royalflamingocorp@gmail.com
Panama City,00000,Panama
XXhttp://www.ministeringangel.com
+381638081920

Contact e-mail:
office@ministeringangel.com

Source:www.ministeringangel.com/aboutus.php


This is their entire "Security Policy" as published on their site.

Your security as a Player is of the most importance to us. We are committed to protecting your privacy, and do not sell, trade or rent your personal information to others. Online security measures (like passwords and account numbers) are used when all transactions take place. In this way no one can gain access to your financial or personal details.

This looks like a BelleRock Entertainment site to me... So I would assume the software is MicroGaming, but I have not downloaded it to verify this.

 

[swampwitch]

The website itself is designed by a 20 year old...
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The casino itself sho' ain't Microgaming. It's software I have never seen before.
The multi-line slots are...interesting.
The VP is weird...The deuces VP isn't deuces wild, but pays for pairs of deuces.

There seems to be some question whether this Royal Flamingo is actually based in Serbia...not Panama.
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The article itself isn't there anymore, but you can kind of get the gist from just the Google listing.

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[jinnia]

I decided to download and install to see what software was being used.

I didn't get far, for within 2 seconds of activating the exe file, my virus scanner popped up this::

<rec time="2008/07/12 15:56:24" user="jinnia" source="Virus">
<value>@HL_ReportFindRS</value>
<attr name="filename">C:\InetCasino\misc.wpd</attr>
<attr name="finding">@EID_Id_trj</attr>
<attr name="virusname">PSW.Legendmir.AHB</attr>
</rec>

Then my system began a very fast peep and locked up.


www(dot)ministeringangel(dot)com
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc. (first red flag)
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (www(dot)godaddy(dot)com)
Domain Name: MINISTERINGANGEL(dot)COM
Created on: 07-Aug-07
Expires on: 07-Aug-09
Last Updated on: 23-Jun-08

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration MINISTERINGANGEL(dot)COM@domainsbyproxy(dot)com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Technical Contact:
Private, Registration MINISTERINGANGEL(dotCOM@domainsbyproxy(dot)com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.HIGHSECURED.COM
NS2.HIGHSECURED.COM


Personally, I'd stay FAR away from this place!!!

 

[mysticjoz]

WTG Jinnia! Great info and research! Thanks for the heads up. :notworthy

 

[aka23]

This looks like a BelleRock Entertainment site to me... So I would assume the software is MicroGaming, but I have not downloaded it to verify this.

It's a unique proprietary software. The software seems incomplete and is not impressive. The user Mangel on my forum is a rep from this casino.

 

[flamingo]

Hello Casinomeister forum

Thanks aka23 for the small introduction

Here's an explanation.

We are not a part of any network, or a software provider.
We are a small group of enthusiasts that are making our own software, and as aka23 said, it is incomplete, but we are working constantly on it.
At the moment we have 23 games, mostly slots. We are working on few versions of Blackjack, roulette, craps .....
In next 2-3 weeks, we will change the lobby to a flash one, and add few new games.

We are also working on stand alone Bingo software, and a Poker room.
Also we are working on some new games never seen before.

Our idea is to make a complete software and then to sell licenses, but that will be ready in 6months-year.

We are a small honest operator, and already have a nice amount of returning players.


Any questions, i will be willing to answer,
Any suggestions willing to hear.

 

[funky_seagull]

Wouldn't it be better to wait until your software is complete before allowing people to place bets on it and risk losing their money.

Also wouldn't it be best to wait until an independant tester has verified your systems are safe and fair before it is released into the public... someone like ecogra...

or is the angel casino nothing to do with you and are using your software without your permission..?

I don't think releasing a gambling site that is incomplete and hasn't been rigorously tested for fairness is a good idea...

Can you not just start up a beta play for fun site which doesn't risk anyones money? And then get people to test your software and give you feedback, in exchange you could give them small monetary gifts for the feedback or some other incentive for testing your software.

I don't think any gambling software should be released and allowed to accept real money bets until it has been thoroughly tested.

 

[flamingo]

...

wow wow, I did not said it is not tested for fairines,
We have TST (Techincal system testing) Certification, and the payout odd's are done without the flow.
It's all been tested and is running perfectly.

What we need is more games, different kind of games, we also need good affiliate program, detailed stats ... so we can become a profesinal games provider for other online casino's that want to use our software.

But as a stand alone online casino, this casino is stabel and very good working. We will be making a lot of changes to it to make it eaven better and up to date.

 

[vinylweatherman]

wow wow, I did not said it is not tested for fairines,
We have TST (Techincal system testing) Certification, and the payout odd's are done without the flow.
It's all been tested and is running perfectly.

What we need is more games, different kind of games, we also need good affiliate program, detailed stats ... so we can become a profesinal games provider for other online casino's that want to use our software.

But as a stand alone online casino, this casino is stabel and very good working. We will be making a lot of changes to it to make it eaven better and up to date.

If you do not take more care, you will end up in the rogue pits of most reputable casino portals before you even have a chance to get going with the first fully working software version.

I was spammed into opening a new account at "Ministering Angel Casino", and to attempt to tie Religion into a casino site is probably a marketing move that will backfire in a big way.
Without ANY further investigation, I decided this was a rogue outfit based purely on the spam marketing and rogue sounding name.

Other stated facts are only going to add to this poor image. Despite taking real money bets, your corporate structure seems like a scammers paradise, with doubts as to where the casino is located, and indeed LICENCED (or is this a small detail not being considered at present). Suggestions the casino is in Panama, or even Serbia, do not look good, as neither are recognised juristictions for issuing online gambling licences. The overall company website itself seems to be nothing more that a parked page.
If current players end up suffering problems getting paid, and this gets out to the various forums, Angel Casino might as well forget about continuing in operation, even if by then they have well tested and stable software.

Joining here at Casinomeister though, is a positive thing. It provides someone to communicate with, and to reply to various allegations and statements, and indeed deal with player problems.

 

[flamingo]

The constitutional democratic republic of Panama, the most important financial center in Central America, has an impressive history of international banking and services jurisdiction. It has a fully regulated body of internet gaming laws of the highest standard, comparable to the gaming laws of the Isle of Man, which means that the Igaming entrepreneur can open a gambling website and continue to be on the right side of US law.

Company's website is in the process and will be updated soon.
About the name of the casino, of course there is going to be some fire, will it be good or bad, time will show and our moves in the future. Some people will love it, some wont, but then again, isnt that the issue with all the products ??

 

[USA2112]

Terms and conditions page would turn anyone around. Not much explained or well thought out. Where's the promotional terms, didn't find them, at least nothing that made sense.

Then the $30 a month removed from players accounts for having a dormant account.

This is on your bonus page. do you have wager requirements and cash out, what does this mean.

You cannot withdraw bonus money instantly, you need to double the bonus so it can be withdrawn.
Example 1. Deposit $100, you receive $200. To be able to withdraw, you need to make at least $300.
Example 2. Deposit $100, you receive $200. You lose $100 of free money, and you are back to your $100 deposited, then you win $10, you can then withdraw $110.
Bonus money will be added to your account within 24hours from the moment of payment.

 

[vinylweatherman]

The constitutional democratic republic of Panama, the most important financial center in Central America, has an impressive history of international banking and services jurisdiction. It has a fully regulated body of internet gaming laws of the highest standard, comparable to the gaming laws of the Isle of Man, which means that the Igaming entrepreneur can open a gambling website and continue to be on the right side of US law.

Company's website is in the process and will be updated soon.
About the name of the casino, of course there is going to be some fire, will it be good or bad, time will show and our moves in the future. Some people will love it, some wont, but then again, isnt that the issue with all the products ??

Really

Even IOM and EU licenced casinos are considered ILLEGAL by the US.

Central America is considered "unstable" by many parts of the world, none moreso than by those foreign tourists who end up being kidnapped by the various factions in the varying power struggles in the region. There are a great many scams that emenate from Central America, and while the spirit may well be there, the ability of the government to regulate is not proven. The UK government recently launched a "whitelist" so that juristictions outside of the EU could have a fair chance of selling online gambling services to the EU market. I do not recall Panama getting onto this whitelist, and if they were seen by the UK government as up to IOM standards, they surely would have made it.
There is nothing illegal about UK players playing at a casino licenced in Panama, but it is ILLEGAL for such a casino to advertise for players within the EU, which makes the Email spam I received technically illegal, as well as raising the question as to how the hell Angel Casino got hold of my information in the first place. Either the casino condones spam, or they bought my info from a source that may well be breaking the law in selling it.

Most online casinos seem to have favoured Malta as their licencing juristiction in order to be able to legally promote themselves in the UK - worth looking at if the EU is going to be an important market, and well worth the extra effort, as players are far more likely to trust a casino licenced in Malta, than in Panama.

 

[lots0]

Ok I now see why I thought these guys were a bellerock... They copied bellerocks Terms and Conditions... and didn't bother to delete out all the references to Belle Rock.

For example on their page
XXhttp://www.ministeringangel.com/terms.php

You will see the following... I added the bold.

"1.5.1. It is recorded that the provisions of this Clause 1.5 only apply if all of a Real Player's Accounts at the Casino and Poker Rooms proprietary to the Belle Rock Entertainment Group constitute Dormant Accounts."


Hmmm... Not looking too good...

 

[USA2112]

You will see the following... I added the bold.

"1.5.1. It is recorded that the provisions of this Clause 1.5 only apply if all of a Real Player's Accounts at the Casino and Poker Rooms proprietary to the Belle Rock Entertainment Group constitute Dormant Accounts."

I missed that... I'd say that explains the poor writing then a piece here and a piece there.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Has to be the nail in the coffin, this is theft, plain and simple, from BelleRock. Now, what else has been stolen to cobble this casino together.

Remember Roccos casino? This was cobbled together from pieces of around 4 legitimate casinos, and used some pretty dodgy looking software. Their sites were hosted by various domain hosting sites that made the business look like it was stuck together by a few "chancers" who wanted to ensure they could not be traced. A "proper" online casino would have it's OWN domain server, at least for the casino itself, if not the websites.

I now have to inquire whether this outfit has REALLY been tested, and passed, by TST, and REALLY licenced in Panama for ONLINE GAMBLING PROVISION, not just a general licence to "conduct business".

 

[flamingo]

I never said that it is allowed to market, or gamble in the US, I just said that Panama's law obeis with the US Law.

And of course Malta is good for internet gambling business with it's presence in the EU, but it has it's price, wich is too high for us at the moment.

 

[USA2112]

And?

 

[jetset]

With respect, I don't believe that Flamingo has actually addressed VWM's enquiries here:

QUOTE: I now have to inquire whether this outfit has REALLY been tested, and passed, by TST, and REALLY licenced in Panama for ONLINE GAMBLING PROVISION, not just a general licence to "conduct business". UNQUOTE

Flamingo has quoted what is obviously a passage from a Panama promotional site, but has Ministering Angel Casino actually been registered for online gambling activities in the 'jurisdiction', and where is the TST certificate which it is customary for websites holding this certification to display?

The issues of spamming and using Belle Rock's T&Cs does little to inspire trust, either.

 

[Casinomeister]

Admin note - i-Gaming reps

Just a quick note to point out that "flamingo" should not be considered an official spokesperson for the casino until he registers with an email address from the casino's domain. At the moment, his registration email is from a yahoo account. (please contact me to change this)

@flamingo - what connections do you have with the Bellerock group? Just curious.

 

[Casinomeister]

..And of course Malta is good for internet gambling business with it's presence in the EU, but it has it's price, wich is too high for us at the moment.

I'm not sure if you want to admit that the fees are too high:

3. Licence Fees
3.1 Application fee for all Classes of Remote Gaming Licence: two thousand, three hundred and
twenty nine Euros (2,329).
3.2 Licence fee for all Classes of Remote Gaming Licence: six thousand, nine hundred and eightyeight
Euros (6,988) annually.
3.3 Renewal for all Classes of Remote Gaming Licence: eleven thousand, six hundred and forty
seven Euros (11,647).
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They look pretty cheap to me considering this is a license from the EU.

 

[chuchu59]

I'm not sure if you want to admit that the fees are too high:



They look pretty cheap to me considering this is a license from the EU.

If they cant afford this, how can we expect them to pay a player who gets a decent win.

 

[Casinomeister]

If they cant afford this, how can we expect them to pay a player who gets a decent win.

This is the problem that ought to be addressed. It appears as a "casino" operating on a shoestring budget.

* Copy and pasted terms and conditions.
* Questionable "license" (Panama? C'mon - get real).
* Funkified software. Yes, I tried downloading and got nothing but error messages. Unknown games; poorly designed lobby.
* And the admittance that one of the most affordable EU licenses is too expensive.

And they are willing to take on players? This all spells out a casino disaster just waiting to happen.

 

[Casinomeister]

I also have a couple of questions about the lobby. In the lower right hand corner, there are the initials "CP". What does this stand for? Also at the gate entrance, it looks like "AM". What is that?

 

[suzecat]

tick tock.....tick tock.....tick tock Must admit, at first, I was somewhat impressed that flamingo showed up and offered some explanation to some great questions. However when the questions got tougher and more direct, no more flamingo Bryan are these guys interested in this forum as registered casino operators, or are we to think their presence is an attempt to put out a fire and get some free marketing?