All TopGames Casinos are Down! DDos Attacks!!

[bsilva028]

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now i am against the ddos atacks, id doesnt matter if it was rome, diceland, grand macao, mayflower, or anybody else
the punishers should be kidnapped

 

[me_and_ed]

now i am against the ddos atacks, id doesnt matter if it was rome, diceland, grand macao, mayflower, or anybody else
the punishers should be kidnapped

So what happens after the kidnapping................battery cables and wet sponges, chinese water torture or the dreaded bamboo shoots.

 

[The Dude]

I've spoken with TopGaming and Rome casino people this afternoon. They are convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the owner behind GoldVIP Casino is behind this. They have contacted law enforcement and their legal team is on this as well.

This is a major black mark on this industry. It's cybercrime, and the person behind this ought to be imprisoned. I hope that a thorough investigation is made and that justice is swift.

What is more alarming are the connections between GoldVIP and Affactive. I think players and affiliates are owed an explanation on who owns what. GoldVIP is more than a rogue casino - it's despicable. What is detailed on the rogue page is only half of it. Players and affiliates need to do the right thing and not patronize these folks.

 

[shahran84]

I've spoken with TopGaming and Rome casino people this afternoon. They are convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the owner behind GoldVIP Casino is behind this. They have contacted law enforcement and their legal team is on this as well.

This is a major black mark on this industry. It's cybercrime, and the person behind this ought to be imprisoned. I hope that a thorough investigation is made and that justice is swift.

What is more alarming are the connections between GoldVIP and Affactive. I think players and affiliates are owed an explanation on who owns what. GoldVIP is more than a rogue casino - it's despicable. What is detailed on the rogue page is only half of it. Players and affiliates need to do the right thing and not patronize these folks.

Yup, it looks like TopGaming is very confident that Affactive group does the DDos attacks. They even put the message each time we log in into Mayflower Casino and Grand Macao Casino,

"The Mayflower Casino License has been revoked by Topgame
for a severe breach of terms of agreement and illegal online activities
by its owners. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience."

I really don't understand why they did this when they have their own casino is using Topgame. Very sad to see this two casinos to be removed from Topgame

 

[chayton]

Are the affactive casinos in the rogue pit now Bryan?

 

[Nifty29]

I've always had a feeling that Winpalace etc were shady and have said as much....and have been canned by certain people as a result. I notice these people are now silent.

Treating players badly and holding their withdrawals for months are not the MO of an operator that respects its players, so it doesn't surprise me that they dont respect the industry and its codes of conduct.

Mind you, Rome are no better in the former regard but at least they haven't sunk to the bottom of the barrel like affactive. I still wouldn't play there if I was paid, but thats my choice.

I really hope that someone goes to prison as this practice has to stop.

 

[The Dude]

Are the affactive casinos in the rogue pit now Bryan?

If these casinos are truly connected 100% to GoldVIP - then is there a choice in the matter?

 

[shahran84]

Guys, look at the links below posted by Scott, topgame. Very interesting chat. Is this still a good evidence that Affactive did the Ddos attacks? You guys decide.
Hate to say this BUT i want my grandmacao casino and Mayflower casino BACK!

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[The Dude]

Everyone loves a train wreck.

This makes the CAP meltdown of 2009 look like a pie fight:

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[jetset]

Train wreck (and wreckers) is the right word, and seeing these guys putting it all out there in public - threats and all - makes you wonder if they are arrogant, stupid or mentally deficient. What a sad bunch.

Shahran's links above certainly give the flavour of the manner in which some of these hoodlums operate, and their arrogance in the malicious misuse of the Internet...and there's something else - someone is sailing close to the wind there for other reasons - there's a South African connection in those messages, and that's dangerous territory with the authorities currently on the warpath following the North Gauteng court rulings that internet gambling is de facto illegal in South Africa - for players and for operators.

 

[Gremmyboy]

I'm just gobsmacked at the unprofessional behaviour being displayed here and at GPWA!

They should both be rogued for the sheer lack of professionalism and ethics.

Big business behaving like school children! Disgusting!



Cheers
Gremmy

 

[chayton]

Earlier tonight I went to switch pages here and got the dreaded "Webpage cannot be found" error and I thought, uh oh...but it just turned out to be my internet connection.

 

[jetset]

Everyone loves a train wreck.

This makes the CAP meltdown of 2009 look like a pie fight:

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My God - those GPWA transcripts posted by Ted.Korbis appear to be even more incriminating - Igor the awful lol!

 

[jetset]

I'm just gobsmacked at the unprofessional behaviour being displayed here and at GPWA!

They should both be rogued for the sheer lack of professionalism and ethics.

Big business behaving like school children! Disgusting!



Cheers
Gremmy

Rather nasty, criminal "school children" I would say!

 

[jetset]

Hi Noah,

Actually, I'll be removing that thread. Here's why:

In my opinion, all we can do is speculate on what is going on with this situation. Who is attacking whom should be dealt with by your company's lawyers and legal resources. These slugfests should be kept at a private level - not public. You are putting forums like this, GPWA, and CAP at risk from whatever shenanigans whomever wants to initiate.

My advice to both Rome Casino and Affactive: stop posting. Keep this at a private and professional level; leave Casinomeister.com out of it. Mr. Corfman has already publicly volunteered to assist here:

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either take him up on his offer, or get your legal teams involved. The fora is no place for this.

Worth bumping as a reminder - this is good advice.

 

[Webzcas]

Worth bumping as a reminder - this is good advice.

I think the horse has already bolted.

 

[fanihi]

Was confused at first, thought it was Rome/Topgame claiming to be attacked by Affac grp.
Now the new thread on GWPA shows it's the other way around.....So they both are being dumb
childish idiots that don't seem to give a rat about the affilliates, player's or anything but their own greed.
I hope this will spell the end for all parties of this fiasco. It's not like this online gaming does'nt
have enough obstacles, now this truly .....dang stupid, childish...name it....they are either truly
insane or just that freakin greedy...either way....hope they never recover from this.
Bryan, you need to come up with a different name to put these guys...Guillotine maybe ....Dungeon
does not do justice for these people.

 

[The Dude]

Well, I guess we're in for a roller coaster ride.

I've just gotten off the phone with TopGame/Rome and he claims that the screenshots posted at GPWA are bogus, and he's going to prove it. He's going to be showing us how anyone can make up a bogus chat session at Skype via another posting or a YouTube video.

The same thing with the shaving accusations. He says they are bogus as well.

Worth bumping as a reminder - this is good advice.

I guess we're in for a little more public slugging.

 

[ergopro]

:eat:
Haha, one happy family...the entire industry
Didn't ever think to see such a thread as the one at GPWA...

 

[Auditor]

It is unreal to have programs using the forums as their battlefield. Screenshots can be faked and both sides are saying they are fake, we are doing our best to sort through them. Bryan is right, it looks like the show isn't over yet.

 

[The Dude]

What I don't get is that this industry is big enough for everyone. I am a proponent for friendly competition - and as you can see by the activity in this forum with the majority of i-Gaming reps - this is totally possible.

Take for instance your iGaming conferences, many of these operators dine and party with one another - the same goes for affiliates - we socialize and really have a good time. There is no room in this industry with this "conquer all" attitude. It's total bullshit.

I hope with the conclusion of all this, the guilty parties will be drummed out of the business. It's up to affiliates and players to do this - not a licensing jurisdiction or a software provider - but the people.

Vote with your feet.

 

[4 of a kind]

I must admit that I’m not surprised at all about any of this. It appears that the dirty online gaming laundry is slowly finding its way out of the closet.

I think online gaming in its present form is picking up speed and will inevitably crash head on and deteriorate into a cloud of smoke.

Personally, I think once the USA enters the market regulated, online gaming will finally shine, and the present unregulated, unenforced, free for all, will be at top speed for the head on collision. It’ll be like an old Volkswagen Bug at top speed running into a 10 foot thick brick wall reinforced with steel.

 

[4 of a kind]

It's up to affiliates and players to do this - not a licensing jurisdiction or a software provider - but the people.

Vote with your feet.

You've been asking people to do this for a long time. Apparently it's not working.

 

[Mousey]

:eat:
Haha, one happy family...the entire industry
Didn't ever think to see such a thread as the one at GPWA...

While watching this unfold... :eat: ...

Could someone please, please separate out the affiliate/marketing from the casinos groups and the software, etc., and who has who/what?? I'm just a player and truly don't understand what we're all seeing taking place.

Edited to query: And wth does Rival have to do with anything?

Any clarification appreciated.

 

[deucebag]

My God - those GPWA transcripts posted by Ted.Korbis appear to be even more incriminating - Igor the awful lol!

That screen shot showing the top depositors at Rome groups (it's taken down now) seemed a little hard to believe . The biggest depositors had all deposited 6 figure amounts, and all except one were US based. One had deposited $500k and registered this year. Is it even possible for a US based player to deposit that much money? Perhaps an indication that the thing was doctored?

 

[The Dude]

... Is it even possible for a US based player to deposit that much money? Perhaps an indication that the thing was doctored?

When there is a will, there is a way

Another thing, if you are going to partake in a criminal venture, are you going to chat about it in Skype? You'd have to be daft.

But then you never know...

 

[Pinababy69]

Of course it's not. Gold Vip Club is perhaps the roguest of rogues..if the listed it on their website it would ruin them. I have pointed out in a few threads the connections that I found just in my experience as a player. For example I went to chat on Slots Jungle and was welcomed to Gold Vip Club casino by the Rep. I called both Win Palace and GVC and the same person answered etc etc etc/ I always knew it was connected...this just reconfirms it for me.

Re: DDoS attacks...That's just disgusting if Affactive is responsible..but seeing that they operate GVC I wouldn't be surprised.

There has been speculation for quite a while now that Affactive is somehow associated/affiliated with Gold VIP Club. The rep, DanielG, has denied it.....but I don't think he has ever given a reason as to why the support/live chat/telephones, are the same for both.

There have been threads in the past discussing this very issue:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/new-rtg-casino-slots-jungle.38955/


https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/is-winpalace-secretly-related-to-goldvip.39134/

Strictly as a player, I've never thought much of the Affactive group of casinos, with their insane "player class" withdrawal limits ($500 per week....joke), and their long withdrawal times....but even putting all that aside...those two threads above would be enough to send me running for the hills. Gold VIP is on a par with Virtual...maybe even worse in some ways.

 

[The Dude]

There has been speculation for quite a while now that Affactive is somehow associated/affiliated with Gold VIP Club...

I've given Daniel the opportunity to set the story straight. Waiting for his response.

Y'all have a nice weekend.

 

[Pinababy69]

I've given Daniel the opportunity to set the story straight. Waiting for his response.

Y'all have a nice weekend.

Y'all? LOL...didn't know you were a southerner at heart Bryan. You have a good one as well...and save some bier for the rest of us.

 

[bb28]

Actually I'm kind of glad that the 2 groups have decided to publicly out their dirty laundry, although I certainly understand and respect CM's wish that it shouldn't have been done here.

If anything with this additional info it should cause players of these (fine establisments) to never deposit at any of them again.

Also it gives us a glimpse into what goes on in the underbelly of some of these places we choose to play at. Can you guys imagine the stories that we never hear about? Scary stuff uh!

 

[shahran84]

Wow, this story gets interesting and more interesting. And I still can't believe it that the attackers are still making Topgame servers
down and very unstable. Are this attackers being paid to DDos attacks ? $8.50 per hour or something ? Don't they get tired ?

 

[Smokeycasino]

Also it gives us a glimpse into what goes on in the underbelly of some of these places we choose to play at. Can you guys imagine the stories that we never hear about? Scary stuff uh!

Imagine all those times that people made threads about sites being down, what was really the reason?... just sayin

 

[LaHutti]

Interesting to see, how this "industry" is now doing it's own laundry, and showing it's true face publicly.....
Not surprised at all, what's going on behind the scenes, but a little surprised, that they're THAT stupid.

 

[bb28]

Wow, this story gets interesting and more interesting. And I still can't believe it that the attackers are still making Topgame servers
down and very unstable. Are this attackers being paid to DDos attacks ? $8.50 per hour or something ? Don't they get tired ?

Bots are usually used for attacks, not people.

 

[Nifty29]

I must admit that I’m not surprised at all about any of this. It appears that the dirty online gaming laundry is slowly finding its way out of the closet.

I think online gaming in its present form is picking up speed and will inevitably crash head on and deteriorate into a cloud of smoke.

Personally, I think once the USA enters the market regulated, online gaming will finally shine, and the present unregulated, unenforced, free for all, will be at top speed for the head on collision. It’ll be like an old Volkswagen Bug at top speed running into a 10 foot thick brick wall reinforced with steel.

We're talking about a couple of operators who were considered dodgy by most (except for some affys who were making moolah) to begin with.

It's not a "hallelujah" moment for your "all casinos cheat" agenda. Sorry about that.

Every industry has bad eggs and online gambling is no different.

If you think that the current situation will cause a collapse of the industry you're wrong. In fact, it could well strengthen it by driving players towards well run and respected operators who have a proven track record.

You yearn for US regulation, but I'm not sure you appreciate what that could mean. Everyone will have their nose in the trough and bring RTPs down to pay for it, along with having every transaction available to the IRS and having tax taken out of any decent wins. It will almost certainly mean a drastic reduction in competition which means you get what you get and that's that. As Bryan has said many times....be careful what you wish for. The whole idea of regulation is NOT to provide better protection for players, its about some government cronies making big bucks, and someone will be paying for it.

 

[chayton]

Was confused at first, thought it was Rome/Topgame claiming to be attacked by Affac grp.
Now the new thread on GWPA shows it's the other way around.....

I know, it's like a messy divorce! I'm getting the impression from what I've read that the pricipals were connected at some point, and that the sniping back and forth has been going on since the original breakup.

While watching this unfold... :eat: ...

Could someone please, please separate out the affiliate/marketing from the casinos groups and the software, etc., and who has who/what?? I'm just a player and truly don't understand what we're all seeing taking place.

Edited to query: And wth does Rival have to do with anything?

Any clarification appreciated.

Affactive is the parent group thingie for the group of casino that include WinPalace/Slots Jungle/Titan (RTG) Mayflower (TopGame) and GoldenCherry (Rival) - and possibly GoldVip though they deny it.

Rome is TopGame, and I think whoever owns that also owns DiceLand (also TopGame) and maybe others, but I'm not positive about that.

Those are the two main players anyhow. Where Rival fits in...your guess is as good as mine!

Are there any TopGame casinos that aren't run by either of these two? If they've been affected by these DDoS attacks they're keeping quiet about it.

 

[dominique]

Wow, this story gets interesting and more interesting. And I still can't believe it that the attackers are still making Topgame servers
down and very unstable. Are this attackers being paid to DDos attacks ? $8.50 per hour or something ? Don't they get tired ?

Well, the conversation with Igor said the pay was $5000 per day per site.

 

[bb28]

See bolded.

We're talking about a couple of operators who were considered dodgy by most (except for some affys who were making moolah) to begin with.

Actually Nifty, there are a hell of lot more than just a couple who are dodgy, (the rogue pit). Also we all have our suspicions but because of the secrecy and lack of openness that is demonstrated throughout the industry even by some who are for the most part considered reputable, so it's not unfair to cast a suspicious glance. Lest we not forget the mg scandals, the very well known and proven allegations of cheating that went on at AP and UB. So it's not a stretch of the imagination to be suspicious of all/any of them.

It's not a "hallelujah" moment for your "all casinos cheat" agenda. Sorry about that.

Every industry has bad eggs and online gambling is no different.

If you think that the current situation will cause a collapse of the industry you're wrong. In fact, it could well strengthen it by driving players towards well run and respected operators who have a proven track record.

You yearn for US regulation, but I'm not sure you appreciate what that could mean. Everyone will have their nose in the trough and bring RTPs down to pay for it, along with having every transaction available to the IRS and having tax taken out of any decent wins. It will almost certainly mean a drastic reduction in competition which means you get what you get and that's that. As Bryan has said many times....be careful what you wish for. The whole idea of regulation is NOT to provide better protection for players, its about some government cronies making big bucks, and someone will be paying for it.

I do agree with the above. I think the only reason that the US will regulate and legalize online gambling will be because of the revenues. The only motivation will be $$$$'s. Player protection will be a factor but it will be because of the protection of their cut of the pie. They will not be in it to protect folks like us.

Just my opinion but I think regulation for US players is still a few years off.

 

[4 of a kind]

If you think that the current situation will cause a collapse of the industry you're wrong. In fact, it could well strengthen it by driving players towards well run and respected operators who have a proven track record.


The whole idea of regulation is NOT to provide better protection for players, its about some government cronies making big bucks, and someone will be paying for it.

Considering how I respect your intelligence, I'm rather surprised to read such gibberish being printed by you.

Having a tax problem created by winnings after a year of playing is something I yearn for.

I never said "the current situation will cause a collapse of the industry", nor did I ever say "all casinos cheat". Actually, I'm not sure where your post responding to my opinion went off to.

This is exactly what I said :

I think online gaming in its present form is picking up speed and will inevitably crash head on and deteriorate into a cloud of smoke.

Personally, I think once the USA enters the market regulated, online gaming will finally shine, and the present unregulated, unenforced, free for all, will be at top speed for the head on collision. It’ll be like an old Volkswagen Bug at top speed running into a 10 foot thick brick wall reinforced with steel.

 

[rainmaker]

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I see the parties involved here as very small peanuts in the industry. These peanuts mostly targets a US market where they have no or very little competition. I can not see that this will chance or affect the industry in any way.

 

[me_and_ed]

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I see the parties involved here as very small peanuts in the industry. These peanuts mostly targets a US market where they have no or very little competition. I can not see that this will chance or affect the industry in any way.

I get what your saying but I think matters all the same , its the pricnicple behind doing such a brazen and heinous act to halting ones business, most players dont understand, all they know is they cannot play for reasons of not being able to access the site, I know for myself this can can be a huge red flag and I understand whats going on, imagine the players that do not.

 

[rainmaker]

I get what your saying but I think matters all the same , its the pricnicple behind doing such a brazen and heinous act to halting ones business, most players dont understand, all they know is they cannot play for reasons of not being able to access the site, I know for myself this can can be a huge red flag and I understand whats going on, imagine the players that do not.

My comment was more directed to those who may be tempted to use this case as an argument in another rant against the industry in general

This industry consists of so many good casinos, reputable software suppliers and great people, so it is important to remember that this case does not reflect the industry in general. But of course, it is a serious case for those who are directly involved or affected (for example their players).

The parties involved here are just to small to be important when talking about the industry in general. That is also why I think this should be seen as an isolated case between a couple of peanuts.

 

[shahran84]

I'm very sure that other casinos softwares or companies are doing the same like this just that we don't know about it,
maybe not DDos attacks but some kind of deal so that the individual casinos don't steal each other players or customers.

I guess we have to say Thanks to Affactive and Rome and Topgame for revealing the Secrets and true form of this
online industry! It's like a TV Series.. "Online Casino's Darkest Secrets Revealed!"

 

[Webzcas]

I'm very sure that other casinos softwares or companies are doing the same like this just that we don't know about it,
maybe not DDos attacks but some kind of deal so that the individual casinos don't steal each other players or customers.

I doubt very much the established software companies and casinos are involved in actions such as the ones described in this thread, certainly not the non US facing operations. Best rule of thumb, stick to the established big players, those which are regulated in proper jurisdictions such as Alderney and Gibraltar for example. Those casinos which are listed on the London Stock Exchange, plus any which Bryan has accredited here on Casinomeister.

 

[jetset]

My comment was more directed to those who may be tempted to use this case as an argument in another rant against the industry in general

This industry consists of so many good casinos, reputable software suppliers and great people, so it is important to remember that this case does not reflect the industry in general. But of course, it is a serious case for those who are directly involved or affected (for example their players).

I agree - it is important to retain a sense of perspective in the face of rather gloating posts based on unrealistic appreciations of the real situation.

I also agree with Nifty that US regulation may not all be the bed of roses that some appear to hope for - politics, taxation and big business will certainly impact that, although I think it will have some beneficial effects because it will almost certainly increase pressure on the rogues who are currently operating in the US...for example companies that have demonstrated their lack of professionalism, morals and integrity here just recently

In the face of such disgraceful and criminal behaviour it's easy to forget that there is a positive side to the online gambling equation too. As webscas says above - do your research before playing and be discerning in your choice of venue.

 

[Simmo!]

Regulation

I also agree with Nifty that US regulation may not all be the bed of roses that some appear to hope for - politics, taxation and big business will certainly impact that, although I think it will have some beneficial effects because it will almost certainly increase pressure on the rogues who are currently operating in the US.

I'm more with 4oak on this one. While I certainly don't thnk regulation will be a bed of roses, if you look back to the time just before the UIGEA when the government turned a blind eye, the good operators had been able to slowly establish themselves at the head of the queue and we had a fairly safe market for US players. Once the UIGEA hit, it forced the vast majority of the safe operators out and what everyone predicted would happen, happened. A lot of small, often underfunded and in some cases just plain criminal outfits benefitted.

With regulation in place, it will mean (hopefully, and for a price) that safe operators will be able to establish or re-establish prominence and players won't be forced into playing at outfits that walk fine lines.

 

[P.V.]

On Spot!

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With regulation back in place, it will mean (hopefully, and for a price) that safe operators will be able to establis or re-establish prominence and players won't be forced into playing at outfits that walk fine lines.

 

[fanihi]

That's the whole point of this U.S regulations crap. They want a piece of the pie. Nothing wrong with that....but how they went about it is the freakin problem. Instead of banning and outlawing internet gambling for U.S players(they say processing funds is illegal not the playing...dumb)! They first should have done something when the internet age started and they should have had the forsight that this would be big money. But noooooo , they have to go this route they're taking now....15 years later....
So instead of creating a scenario where these type of online Businesses(Gambling) would want to set up shop in the U.S where it would create jobs, taxes , etc......and would then be under its regulatory oversight.....they go the rogue route!!!! Put em in the pit!!!!
So when the U.S does regulate the gambling ...whenever....I as a U.S player will still be TOLD where I can play, how I can deposit ....basically...I have only 2 choices...play at their casino or don't play at all.
Land of the Free has just become that less free.....rant over....thanks for listening....and oops if I should'nt have. Now i wonder when they are going to stop me from playing WOW because its not under it's jurisdiction and I can't use my credit card to purchase gold!!!now rant over....

 

[jetset]

Rogues will continue to try and operate regardless of regulation - but there's no doubt that regulation and the advent of operators officially acknowledged as "legal" will make their lives a lot more difficult.

In the end it will come down to whether enforcement is effective (and the situation with the UIGEA could well get more complicated); and how attractive to the player the offers and operational conduct of US regulated operations are. I'm taking it as read that marketing by big US companies will be pretty good.

But we're getting ahead of ourselves a little here, I think - the major hurdle is going to be getting online poker federally legalised, which seems to have a better chance now than in the past - after which the road to legalised online gambling in a more general sense may become easier.

At state level, we may see sportsbetting in New Jersey in the forseeable future and more attempts at intrastate legalisation of online gambling in general. Nevada is already prepared to move forward on internet poker, whilst California still has self-interested parties butting heads over poker measures. Those seem to be the most active states, but there is plenty of interest in legalisation among others, and that will be revitalised if federal recognition is achieved.

None of which changes the fact that the online gambling industry is neither the embodiment of all evil or headed for total destruction

 

[Mousey]

Well, you see... I didn't think casinos, or a particular group of casinos, getting hit with a botnet driven DDos extortion was particularly out of the ordinary.
Is the DDos now an uncommon thing? Or was it never that much of a problem in the industry?