All Star Slots (Club World) anyone else?

[dreamguardian1]

Anyone else on massive losing streak with them or is it just me. I have actually stopped depositing anything with them its been so bad. Every deposit gone in seconds, constant losses. I noticed that this happens a lot whenever they introduce new games. And that stupid pop up is beyond annoying, (please deposit more money) sorry if having constant losses not going to continue to deposit at a casino (whether i like them or not) where every single spin is a loss. Been this way for about 2 months now. Wondering if anyone else is having same experience.

And one tech person told me to wipe out my cookies and cache from computer. My question is what does that have to do with online slots?

 

[lockinlove]

I closed my account with them. Easily the worst returns ive ever seen in my life. I went years without a win at all. Or even close to a cashout. Finally got sick of driving a wheelbarrow full of cash to their front door and dropping it off

 

[EbeeDog]

I no longer trust any of them (rtg's) and have stopped playing indefinitely.

 

[X-Raided]

Yup, same here. Also, when I had a gambling itch I would always open up Club World or Jackpot capital's cashier,
only to cringe when starting to remember the same old slots that I have grown tired of over the years and
the feeling of an inevitable loss because of the tightness. I would close the cashier without depositing and go
play somewhere else like at Bovada or Miami Club Casino.

Also, with Pay My Card down for what looks like an eternal dirt nap, that's the icing on the cake for me.

Like a bad relationship, I try to go back to RTG to give them another shot but as I sit to reconcile our differences,
I start to remember why I dislike them and drive away to see someone that I'm more into. It's a shame.

 

[Deanna]

And one tech person told me to wipe out my cookies and cache from computer. My question is what does that have to do with online slots?

Well, that's interesting. And slightly unnerving. I am hoping some tech savvy people chime in on this one.

I haven't played at CWC for a couple of months now. It's funny, I was having a hard enough time adapting to the $35 min. deposit which cut me back a lot, then the whole issue of getting payouts pretty much shut me down.
I do still play at Uptown so now I'm wondering what cookies and cache should have to do with what is supposed to be entirely "random" spins.

 

[bonustreak]

I am not thrilled with the newer games RTG is pumping out but I am seeing some wins at other RTG brands... I am sure some are winning at Club World brands as well but just not posting about the wins?

 

[lockinlove]

I am not thrilled with the newer games RTG is pumping out but I am seeing some wins at other RTG brands... I am sure some are winning at Club World brands as well but just not posting about the wins?

when I used to watch twitch all the american streamers would always say they wont play at clubworld because thats the only casino where they could never ever win. So they would play at bovada and slots.lv.

clubworld def has a very low setting on their rtp.

 

[EbeeDog]

I wouldn't read too much into the 'cookies and cache' thing. That's a standard, scripted response to performance issues - slow play, interruptions etc.

For a tech to tell you that in response to crappy luck/rtp/whatever, I'd find it insulting - just as I find the condescending, circular, and evasive answers we've been hearing since the pay2card mess.

Great job there, RTG's. (slow clapping)

You took a nice, lucrative niche market and turned it into an i-gaming shithole.

 

[pmutts]

Club World Group---Killing themselves with GREED!

First I want to compliment Karolina, she has been such an incredibly responsive I-Gaming rep on this site for Club World’s group of casinos. She has helped me many times. The support team at has always been top notch.

When you rarely even get a good playing session, let alone a win that really means nothing.
I have lost countless thousands at CWG over the past several years. It literally nauseates me when I think about it. At first I was quite lucky there and their bonuses were generous. The Video Poker starting with Jack or Better paid 9/6 and the pay tables on all of their VP games were in line with most other casinos.

Then the bonuses became much more stingy and they lowered their Jacks or Better to 8/5. I suspect they lowered the RTP down to the lowest possible setting in the RTG software at the same time.

With just a couple of exceptions, I have had worse than dismal luck at all of their casinos over the past 2 years. Even the greediest slot machine on any casino floor will hit a jackpot once in a blue moon.

A 6/5 Jacks or Better Video poker machine sitting next to the 9/6 machine for the uninformed sucker will hit a Royal just as often. This practice is common at Harrah’s New Orleans—the worst major casino to gamble in the entire USA.

Then they found a processor in China which they still use that bilks their patrons for an extra couple of bucks on every deposit. When I finally realized what was going on with that I PMd Karolina and she gave me a nice credit to my Club World account to compensate me. I lost it quickly without hitting a single bonus round like almost all of my sessions in the past 2-3 years have gone.

I asked her to remove my ability to deposit by CC and use only secure voucher and that worked for a time but then that deposit option disappeared. Explanation from chat—a problem with their servers from chat.

Then the Pay My Card option disappeared and never returned. They have repeatedly talked about offering Bitcoin but it has yet to happen. As it stands now, I cannot deposit at CWG and as far as I’m concerned this is one of the best things that has happened to me in a very long time.

Until they find a decent processor or offer Bitcoin Deposits and Withrawals I won’t deposit there again.

Until they raise their Video Poker pay tables back up to the norm and raise the RTP on their slots so their loyal players can actually ENJOY playing there I will not deposit there again.

I hope you are listening Clubworld. GREED IS NOT GOOD. It is not good for the player nor is it good for the house. Because in the end—GREED ALWAYS MAKES YOU A LOSER! This works both ways.

 

[clubworld]

Hi All,

We are always striving to provide the best customer experience possible and above all fairness. Your feedback and comments really help evaluate areas for improvement, so thank you.

I can assure you nothing has changed in regarding our game RTP, payouts or performance.
As you may know we are one of the few RTG casinos licensed by the Kahnawakee Gaming Commission and accordingly we are required to undergo independent, quarterly RTP audits which we publish in the name of transparency and fairness. You can view the RTP audit certificate following the link below, there is also a link on the home page of all our websites. I do not believe any of our competitors offer this level of transparency.

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In regards to withdrawal and deposit options, we are always doing our best to introduce new methods and improve existing ones. Unfortunately this is sometimes out of our hands, as we are reliant on third party payment processors .

Kind Regards,
Karolina

 

[ironwill]

Anyone else on massive losing streak with them or is it just me. I have actually stopped depositing anything with them its been so bad. Every deposit gone in seconds, constant losses. I noticed that this happens a lot whenever they introduce new games. And that stupid pop up is beyond annoying, (please deposit more money) sorry if having constant losses not going to continue to deposit at a casino (whether i like them or not) where every single spin is a loss. Been this way for about 2 months now. Wondering if anyone else is having same experience.

And one tech person told me to wipe out my cookies and cache from computer. My question is what does that have to do with online slots?

sad to say but it is the same with me my friend. I think I withdrew once ever, which was last summer, and have done nothing but lose with them otherwise. And yes, THEIR BONUSES ARE TERRIBLE!!!

 

[lockinlove]

Hi All,

We are always striving to provide the best customer experience possible and above all fairness. Your feedback and comments really help evaluate areas for improvement, so thank you.

I can assure you nothing has changed in regarding our game RTP, payouts or performance.
As you may know we are one of the few RTG casinos licensed by the Kahnawakee Gaming Commission and accordingly we are required to undergo independent, quarterly RTP audits which we publish in the name of transparency and fairness. You can view the RTP audit certificate following the link below, there is also a link on the home page of all our websites. I do not believe any of our competitors offer this level of transparency.

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In regards to withdrawal and deposit options, we are always doing our best to introduce new methods and improve existing ones. Unfortunately this is sometimes out of our hands, as we are reliant on third party payment processors .

Kind Regards,
Karolina

Even though you are the best rep around, I believe this post to be completely untrue. Every single player on here and twitch swears there is something wrong with your returns. Surely we arent all delusional. And this isnt just over 10,000 spins. These a massive sample sizes by many many different people.

Your casinos greed is costing you players. As you know, I closed my account after being a member for years. thousands and thousands of deposits and never a win. Ever. And as proof in this thread, you are losing more and more players.

Also to see your slots tested and returned at 91%. Thats pretty damn bad lol

 

[EbeeDog]

Kahnawakee Gaming Commission eh? Gee, I sure do trust them to be fair and impartial, with millions of dollars involved.

iTech Labs eh? Their reports look like an easy-A charter school assignment.

Wake up folks. Anybody can and will cook the books if paid enough money. And that's what this biz is all about - money. Greed, graft and corruption are present anywhere there is a concentration of appreciable profit motive. It's how the world works.

RTG's are losing business. That has been made clear by the posts here.

I suspect that Karolina is restricted as to what can be posted in a forum such as this and it possibly puts her in a difficult position.

People want definitive and detailed answers to problems and complaints, especially concerning money, and until the corporate heads see fit to provide them, revenue will continue to sink. Assuring us of the ol' "independent auditor" routine has gotten pretty stale. Same with "rtp in line with industry standards." Not to mention, "Pay2card in a few weeks...gag..we're working hard." That shit ain't gonna cut it folks. Not any more. We've been jacked around too many times.

I personally blame RTG casinos' upper level management and their bonehead decisions based on the philosophy that U.S. players will take whatever bullshit (rtp, bonus terms, Dep/WD options) they feel like shoving down our gobs. It feels like, "Take it or leave it, suckers." And, many of us are leaving it.

The simple answer is to boycott them altogether.

I was told by a....ahem......prominent member of this forum to "vote with my feet".

That is exactly what I have done.

Other disgruntled players may want to consider doing the same.

 

[KasinoKing]

Also to see your slots tested and returned at 91%. Thats pretty damn bad lol

That was "slots" as a separate category from "Real Series Slots" - which comprise most of the most popular 5-reel games:
Their RTP was given as 94.14%, which is what I would have expected for a casino using the "middle setting" RTP model.

I'm not defending RTG or CWC here (I would say the same when talking about any software - and have done repeatedly on the forum), but people saying "I've had terrible returns from their slots and made dozens of deposits but never cashed-out" is a pretty meaningless statement without other data to support it.
You need to say for EACH slot: How many spins you played and what your overall RTP was for each one. (Amount won/amount wagered)
You need to say what exactly was your target cash-out figure: Deposit x2, x3, x5, or whatever.
And you need to say what was the highest point you reached from your deposit (i.e. Did your balance reach deposit x2, x3, x5, or whatever).

We all know slots have a house edge of around 4-5% on average, which means if you keep playing you WILL lose.
Stating the bleedin' obvious: The only way to profit from 1 particular deposit is to cash-out when you are ahead.
Without a reasonable cash-out target and the will-power to hit "withdraw" when we reach it, we are all destined to be losers.

KK

 

[pmutts]

Also to see your slots tested and returned at 91%. Thats pretty damn bad lol

91% !!! That is beyond bad it is horrific! I can easily spin $500 - $1000 an hour so that basically makes me lose $50 to $100 per hour. Unfortunately, I have rarely had a chance to even play an hour the past couple of 2 - 3 years.

The short pay Video Poker CWG offers is in my view definitive proof that they have become consumed and obsessed with GREED. It was not addressed by Karolina--and you are the BEST Karolina. God I hope you are well paid. Without you they would have lost me and countless others long ago.

I rarely say never and I have no intention to close my accounts. Currently I do not have a deposit option in the cashier and I wish to keep it that way until I see a good reason why I might want to risk my hard earned money on CWGs sites.

My recent experiences with JPC, Grande Vegas, and Slotastic have been only slightly better. So many excellent points made in this thread regarding the pathetic nature of RTGs in general and the crappy options Americans have for online play--except in NJ perhaps.

I've also tried the Bitcoin casinos and cannot say they have offered me much more than another place to throw away money that could be put to good use in my life or the life of others.

I've said it many times and talk is cheap. Actions speak much louder than words. I truly think that I am ready to stop this madness that I have allowed to consume far too much of my time and money over the past seven years.

Hopefully the next post you see from me will be the one that I'm celebrating my first full month without placing an online wager.

 

[shewoff]

First off let's get the tech issue out of the way.Before you burn your cookies and such you should burn your Flash and make sure that any upgrades are done. A word of warning thou, There was an issue with the new Flash as I recall many here seemed to be having a problem with the new version at the start of it. I would believe it is fixed by now so First make sure you have the current Flash and also burn the cookies there and then all of the rest.

I had a lot of luck with all of the CWG sites in the past. The last one I had was at LuckyRed and i have not played or made a deposit there since. This is not because of the slots or whether they are tight or loose. But because of the WD issue that has been going on for far too long and I just stopped playing there until RTG get's off it's update and starts to allow the only real US player's WD option in the cardpay that is still not there!
I had 2 jackpot's and many win's in the first year of play.

And I agree that Karolina is a GREAT rep here. But she can only do so much with the cardpay issue.

I do agree that RTG does get a bit boring and does drone on and on. But win's are very possible and if I played as much as I did before win's would be coming out of the CWG sites that I play at.

I tend to believe that the more I play at a casino the better the odd's are in my favor. This is common sense and it work's for me.I win now at least 3 to 5 times in a week of daily play.

I do agree that CWG has made a mistake by not picking up a new processor that is capable of processing the US player's WD's as cheaply and as fast as cardpay did. Such as Bitcoin I have had great payout times with BTC as my processor at other site's such as SLOTOCASH,SLOTASTIC,UPTOWNACES etc.Much faster that anything now available to US player's. And I mean my payout times are in the 36 to 48 hour range lately and I can't help but think it is BTC.

Oh yea KK Nobody does it better.:notworthy Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff

Good on ya pmutts if that is what makes your life better. I say go for it and use your money to further your life's quest.

 

[EbeeDog]

"I'm not defending RTG or CWC here (I would say the same when talking about any software - and have done repeatedly on the forum), but people saying "I've had terrible returns from their slots and made dozens of deposits but never cashed-out" is a pretty meaningless statement without other data to support it.
You need to say for EACH slot: How many spins you played and what your overall RTP was for each one. (Amount won/amount wagered)
You need to say what exactly was your target cash-out figure: Deposit x2, x3, x5, or whatever.
And you need to say what was the highest point you reached from your deposit (i.e. Did your balance reach deposit x2, x3, x5, or whatever)."


C'mon K.K., OP asks for similar experiences and other members respond.

To state that the responses are 'meaningless' unless they provide all that data is a direct insult to their credibility.

It's like me asking you, as an experienced and respected affiliate and webmaster, to provide all info as to how many accounts paying you have and what your monthly take is from CW in order to determine the credibility of your post.

OP did not ask for specifics, nor is her post deliberately intended to bash CW.

Again, I don't think anybody really has an agenda here. They are simply chiming in on what has obviously become a disturbing trend.

Note: OP may not be bashing CW and RTG's in general, but I am. They suck and their responses to problems and complaints have been wholly inadequate.

Pmutts, 5 weeks for me, although I did drop a grand at nearest B&M. Bastahds...

 

[goatwack]

I suppose if I'd been introduced to such paltry games early on I wouldn't know any different and accept these terrible returns, ignorance is bliss after all.

Adjusting RTG games based on where you play - what a farce! It's little wonder punters are peeved off, add to that the excrutiatingly slow payment times and it makes for a terrible experience.

It's easy for me to say but if my only option left was RTG, coupled with sloth-like withdrawal times for games that pay between 91-92% I'd give up online slotting altogether and stick to b & m joints!

 

[EbeeDog]

I suppose if I'd been introduced to such paltry games early on I wouldn't know any different and accept these terrible returns, ignorance is bliss after all.

Adjusting RTG games based on where you play - what a farce! It's little wonder punters are peeved off, add to that the excrutiatingly slow payment times and it makes for a terrible experience.

It's easy for me to say but if my only option left was RTG, coupled with sloth-like withdrawal times for games that pay between 91-92% I'd give up online slotting altogether and stick to b & m joints!

Every so often over the years the issue of RTG's fairness pops up.

Typically, a poster (usually a newb) will begin with a rant questioning the fairness of RTG games.

Predictably, they get clobbered with responses accusing them of tinfoil-hat-ism, or being problem gamblers and all manner of derogatory things. And these responses are by experienced members.

Then, it comes out that, "Ohhhh! RTG's have three different settings for RTP. That's just business! That's not RIGGED gaming!"

What a crock of, well...er...um...pickles....

 

[goatwack]

Every so often over the years the issue of RTG's fairness pops up.

Typically, a poster (usually a newb) will begin with a rant questioning the fairness of RTG games.

Predictably, they get clobbered with responses accusing them of tinfoil-hat-ism, or being problem gamblers and all manner of derogatory things. And these responses are by experienced members.

Then, it comes out that, "Ohhhh! RTG's have three different settings for RTP. That's just business! That's not RIGGED gaming!"

What a crock of, well...er...um...pickles....

Three settings eh?

I'll take the highest one please!

I'm surprised everyone doesn't just play at one place. And what's the deal with Rival, anyone still play them? Used to quite like their games, it's just I don't hear anyone ever mention them anymore. Bit like Playtech over here, the moment you state that you like their games it's like some form of online leprosy

 

[EbeeDog]

Three settings eh?

I'll take the highest one please!

I'm surprised everyone doesn't just play at one place. And what's the deal with Rival, anyone still play them? Used to quite like their games, it's just I don't hear anyone ever mention them anymore. Bit like Playtech over here, the moment you state that you like their games it's like some form of online leprosy

I think KK has a few of them listed on his site, but by the time I noticed them, I was just too burnt out to go through the whole sign up/verification at yet another casino. I may give them a looksie in the future though.

It's just a world of entertainment over here........aw geez.. ......been reading too many of your posts.....

 

[goatwack]

I think KK has a few of them listed on his site, but by the time I noticed them, I was just too burnt out to go through the whole sign up/verification at yet another casino. I may give them a looksie in the future though.

It's just a world of entertainment over here........aw geez.. ......been reading too many of your posts.....

I'm flattered to be stalked by you EbeeDog, you're like a must-have fashion accessory

 

[EbeeDog]

I'm flattered to be stalked by you EbeeDog, you're like a must-have fashion accessory

Between you and your bff Harry, I have all the entertainment I need. Why gamble?

 

[goatwack]

Between you and your bff Harry, I have all the entertainment I need. Why gamble?

Yeah, we got the good cop/ bad cop routine down. Jon's like our Chief

 

[shewoff]

shewoff

 

[KasinoKing]

It's like me asking you, as an experienced and respected affiliate and webmaster, to provide all info as to how many accounts paying you have and what your monthly take is from CW in order to determine the credibility of your post.

You can ask... but I may not tell you!

As it happens, CWC sort of sucks compared to most other operators because they have Negative Carry Over - which means when my players win in a month I have to wait until they lose the same amount back before I start earning anything again. (I only promote one other RTG operator who have this - iNetBet)
This means I have gone many months or even literally YEARS earning nothing from some of their brands. e.g. for High Noon I have only earned commission in TWO months since January 2013 and a few of their others are not far behind that!
Just shows that SOME players are winning!

My comments on the forum about CWC or anyone else are never influenced by my relationship or earnings with the operator - they are just my personal honest opinion, regardless.

KK

 

[EbeeDog]

You can ask... but I may not tell you!

As it happens, CWC sort of sucks compared to most other operators because they have Negative Carry Over - which means when my players win in a month I have to wait until they lose the same amount back before I start earning anything again. (I only promote one other RTG operator who have this - iNetBet)
This means I have gone many months or even literally YEARS earning nothing from some of their brands. e.g. for High Noon I have only earned commission in TWO months since January 2013 and a few of their others are not far behind that!
Just shows that SOME players are winning!

My comments on the forum about CWC or anyone else are never influenced by my relationship or earnings with the operator - they are just my personal honest opinion, regardless.

KK

Wow. That does suck.

Nah, the last thing I need is trade secrets, percentages and all those other statistics that make my eyes fuzzy

Also, I realize I sounded suspiciously close to accusing you of having an agenda, and I'm glad you (hope you) understand that the main thrust of my response was that, regardless of folks playing habits/cashout aims/play amounts etc., the fact remains that there are of a lot disenchanted players right now and it's going affect the RTG industry as long as they keep blowing smoke.

And now for a little kiss-ass

You have a kick-ass site and are very upfront about folks being careful and doing their own DD before depositing.

For many years I held affiliates and such in contempt - that you all were blood sucking parasites that make tons of money off of poor sad-sack players' losses.

On the contrary, the work and research you guys put into your sites and your contributions to this forum in particular, have surely saved countless players countless hours of aggravation and of course, from being fleeced by scummy operators.

I know I bitch a lot, and I have even locked horns with Bryan himself on some things, but undeniably, all you guys/gals are the toughest line of defense, and the finest source of info players have against the bad guys.

So, without a doubt, many thanks and keep up the good work, eh?

 

[lockinlove]

yeah its def not meaningless at all.

I have no bone to pick with them. I closed my account along time ago and moved on. Karolina even refunded a deposit or two towards the end when she saw how bad my returns have been. She always agreed that my returns over the years werent good at all.

Listen, I played thousands and thousands and thousands of spins. Tonnes of deposits, free chips...incredible amount of play time. And no matter what casino i tried with them. I got pounded every single time. Every. Never even getting above my starting balance. Bonus round paying like 10 x most of the time.

I base my opinion from personal experience and a large enough sample size. Plus the complaints of others especially the americans on twitch. Which I found odd. Every time id ask what casino it was they are streaming it would never be club world. id ask why saying they pay out and have good reps and every single person would respond with "I have never won there. They are the only casino that has taken thousands from me and I never had a hit at all".

I am down $2000 with go wild over the years. But ive also had wins and lots of cashouts. Same with some other casinos and casinos like slotsmillion im up like $4000. But with clubworld. It became there was never a cashout or a win. In an incredible long time. So instead of complaining and bitching, I took action. I closed all my accounts perma.

I can say with 100% certainty I do not trust that casino groups games in the sense I feel the returns are fair. They are set on the lowest rtp without question

People can choose to play there or not. I could care less. But the above is my opinion and the reasons why I closed my accounts after being an active player for 5ish years.

 

[dreamguardian1]

Karolina Versus Club World

I just want to state for the record like most people did on here that Karolina is AMAZING. So my questions have nothing to do with her at all. And even though I love Club World. I seriously have to question what has been happening lately with them. I am all for FAIR PLAY but what i have been seeing lately on the slots is pretty bad and its not just recently. If a person deposits $70.00 in that money that person is going to have at least ONE spin that wins something even if its .06 cents (which by the way is pretty say if you betting $2.00 a spin. I said this before that even land based casinos CAN and DO lower the payouts of machines. All they have to do is hit a switch and the wins stop or start. I believe firmly that online casinos can do this as well.

 

[dreamguardian1]

"I'm not defending RTG or CWC here (I would say the same when talking about any software - and have done repeatedly on the forum), but people saying "I've had terrible returns from their slots and made dozens of deposits but never cashed-out" is a pretty meaningless statement without other data to support it.
You need to say for EACH slot: How many spins you played and what your overall RTP was for each one. (Amount won/amount wagered)
You need to say what exactly was your target cash-out figure: Deposit x2, x3, x5, or whatever.
And you need to say what was the highest point you reached from your deposit (i.e. Did your balance reach deposit x2, x3, x5, or whatever)."


C'mon K.K., OP asks for similar experiences and other members respond.

To state that the responses are 'meaningless' unless they provide all that data is a direct insult to their credibility.

It's like me asking you, as an experienced and respected affiliate and webmaster, to provide all info as to how many accounts paying you have and what your monthly take is from CW in order to determine the credibility of your post.

OP did not ask for specifics, nor is her post deliberately intended to bash CW.

Again, I don't think anybody really has an agenda here. They are simply chiming in on what has obviously become a disturbing trend.

Note: OP may not be bashing CW and RTG's in general, but I am. They suck and their responses to problems and complaints have been wholly inadequate.

Pmutts, 5 weeks for me, although I did drop a grand at nearest B&M. Bastahds...

I really try hard to not bash anyone. Especially Karolina because she has just been amazing and even when there does not appear to be a problem from one end she looks closer at the issues which she has done in the past when i messaged her and found issues just worded differently because everyone interprets or says things in different ways. Its how our brains operate.

That said, I am noticing a very bad trend with RPG. I am not seeing the "balance" that used to be there when i first started playing. YES, you win some and you lose some but constant losses on every deposit made not even pennies. Is a huge red flag. Now, i will say that the about two weeks ago or so i decided to try again and i hit a small win on first spin then it was constant losses i was betting $2.10 on first spin hit about #200.00 so balance was $270.00 ish then it was constant losses every spin not even pennies. That is a huge red flag on slots and i am noticing this more and more that you get that little win and then its constant losses In my mind thats not variable, its not random. Question becomes is it psychological or the actual RPG.

 

[rena35]

I have not played there in a while but from the few deposits i did make, it was all down hill even on Keno. I have played a lot of free bonuses, the same thing. I gave up.

 

[chuchu59]

This kind of thing is common among all RTG-powered casinos. Returns can be very poor but wins can be very big. I have had mild success at A.S.S in the past but I havent played at CW casinos for a long time since they curtailed my bonuses. You have little chance to win as the variance will kill you. Do remember you can easily encounter 20-30 losing sessions without a single cashout. That's RTG.

 

[dreamguardian1]

This kind of thing is common among all RTG-powered casinos. Returns can be very poor but wins can be very big. I have had mild success at A.S.S in the past but I havent played at CW casinos for a long time since they curtailed my bonuses. You have little chance to win as the variance will kill you. Do remember you can easily encounter 20-30 losing sessions without a single cashout. That's RTG.

Someone posted about Variance before. Can you please go into a little more detail about what variance is and how it works. I have seen posts on it but never fully understood. I remember a long time ago asking about high variance, low variance etc. Priorly I had always thought it was if you hit bonus spins or something. But then it was explained that it was not it but i cant find that post anymore.

 

[chuchu59]

Someone posted about Variance before. Can you please go into a little more detail about what variance is and how it works. I have seen posts on it but never fully understood. I remember a long time ago asking about high variance, low variance etc. Priorly I had always thought it was if you hit bonus spins or something. But then it was explained that it was not it but i cant find that post anymore.

I know something about variance, high variance et al but I doubt whether I can explain it as well as some others. I recall Enzo of 3Dice explained this in depth some years ago. Maybe you can check some of his older posts for a detailed explanation of variance.

 

[cheetahwind]

I just want to state for the record like most people did on here that Karolina is AMAZING. So my questions have nothing to do with her at all. And even though I love Club World. I seriously have to question what has been happening lately with them. I am all for FAIR PLAY but what i have been seeing lately on the slots is pretty bad and its not just recently. If a person deposits $70.00 in that money that person is going to have at least ONE spin that wins something even if its .06 cents (which by the way is pretty say if you betting $2.00 a spin. I said this before that even land based casinos CAN and DO lower the payouts of machines. All they have to do is hit a switch and the wins stop or start. I believe firmly that online casinos can do this as well.

Can I ask where you got your information about said switch though? The only reason why I ask this is because I used to work for 2 different casinos here in my home state. The gaming software portion of the slot machine, was taped off and secured with a wire. If at any point in time that tape and wire had to come off. It had to be in the presence of a state gaming official (or Indian), manager of the casino, head slot technician, independent 3rd party, and whomever is making the change. All of these folks were there to insure that no rigging of the machine was being done and that everything being done the machine was on the up and up. This also went for software upgrades, game changes, or even when a machine was being added or removed from the floor.

If that tape and wire were removed an alert from the machine was sent to the state gaming office alerting that the programming box was being opened. Therefore if a casino is making these "changes" on a whim, as stated in this statement. Then all of the said officials would have to be present and the machine would be opened. Not just changed by some magic switch. I will state again, there is no magic switch at land based casinos. These changes go through a very rigorous process. It just the machine goes through perceived hot and cold streaks. There is no magic trick that I've been trained on for a land based machine to make these "looser" or tighter".

Now as for online, as more and more gaming operators are being scrutinized for not having very clear terms, pay tables, poorly written games, lax security, and rogue casinos running their software. This one I can't say for or against where there any sort of rigging. Sure with online I suppose it could be easier to throw said switch or not. Mainly because there's less "official" presence that happens online. Yet I have always appreciated an operator that goes the extra mile to ensure that they are running a fair game by publishing RTP like Karolina offered here at the beginning.

 

[pmutts]

RTG is definitely very high variance.

I know something about variance, high variance et al but I doubt whether I can explain it as well as some others. I recall Enzo of 3Dice explained this in depth some years ago. Maybe you can check some of his older posts for a detailed explanation of variance.

My experience with all of the RTG Reel Series slots is they are feast or famine. Unfortunately, the famine goes on for many months--and in some cases years before I've hit those incredible wins. I agree this is a factor but still think the RTP is far to low for online play.

 

[slotplayer]

Can I ask where you got your information about said switch though? The only reason why I ask this is because I used to work for 2 different casinos here in my home state. The gaming software portion of the slot machine, was taped off and secured with a wire. If at any point in time that tape and wire had to come off. It had to be in the presence of a state gaming official (or Indian), manager of the casino, head slot technician, independent 3rd party, and whomever is making the change. All of these folks were there to insure that no rigging of the machine was being done and that everything being done the machine was on the up and up. This also went for software upgrades, game changes, or even when a machine was being added or removed from the floor.

If that tape and wire were removed an alert from the machine was sent to the state gaming office alerting that the programming box was being opened. Therefore if a casino is making these "changes" on a whim, as stated in this statement. Then all of the said officials would have to be present and the machine would be opened. Not just changed by some magic switch. I will state again, there is no magic switch at land based casinos. These changes go through a very rigorous process. It just the machine goes through perceived hot and cold streaks. There is no magic trick that I've been trained on for a land based machine to make these "looser" or tighter".

Now as for online, as more and more gaming operators are being scrutinized for not having very clear terms, pay tables, poorly written games, lax security, and rogue casinos running their software. This one I can't say for or against where there any sort of rigging. Sure with online I suppose it could be easier to throw said switch or not. Mainly because there's less "official" presence that happens online. Yet I have always appreciated an operator that goes the extra mile to ensure that they are running a fair game by publishing RTP like Karolina offered here at the beginning.

When did you work for them? I didn't know about the tape/wire but I knew about the process however that was many years ago. I'm not so sure they (the land casinos) don't download the RTP from the network now?

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[cheetahwind]

When did you work for them? I didn't know about the tape/wire but I knew about the process however that was many years ago. I'm not so sure they (the land casinos) don't download the RTP from the network now?

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Server based gaming allows for them to change the game but not the RTP. This still holds true as the 5 different casinos I go to have massive sign off sheets just to do anything to the machine.

Most casinos though have opted not to go to the server based gaming as it's super expensive. Then also state gaming commissions don't like the idea of a casino being able to download the game without a gaming representative being present.

Mainly because I still do side work in the business this is how I'm privileged to this information.

 

[dreamguardian1]

Can I ask where you got your information about said switch though? The only reason why I ask this is because I used to work for 2 different casinos here in my home state. The gaming software portion of the slot machine, was taped off and secured with a wire. If at any point in time that tape and wire had to come off. It had to be in the presence of a state gaming official (or Indian), manager of the casino, head slot technician, independent 3rd party, and whomever is making the change. All of these folks were there to insure that no rigging of the machine was being done and that everything being done the machine was on the up and up. This also went for software upgrades, game changes, or even when a machine was being added or removed from the floor.

If that tape and wire were removed an alert from the machine was sent to the state gaming office alerting that the programming box was being opened. Therefore if a casino is making these "changes" on a whim, as stated in this statement. Then all of the said officials would have to be present and the machine would be opened. Not just changed by some magic switch. I will state again, there is no magic switch at land based casinos. These changes go through a very rigorous process. It just the machine goes through perceived hot and cold streaks. There is no magic trick that I've been trained on for a land based machine to make these "looser" or tighter".

Now as for online, as more and more gaming operators are being scrutinized for not having very clear terms, pay tables, poorly written games, lax security, and rogue casinos running their software. This one I can't say for or against where there any sort of rigging. Sure with online I suppose it could be easier to throw said switch or not. Mainly because there's less "official" presence that happens online. Yet I have always appreciated an operator that goes the extra mile to ensure that they are running a fair game by publishing RTP like Karolina offered here at the beginning.

I have a very close friend who used to sing at many land based casinos especiall in Vegas and Reno. She gave me the FULl 411 about both online and land based casino's because she had also worked at an online casino. They CAN and do determine who wins and loses, its the dollar amounts that is what varies. Ever notice how sometimes u start out at a new casino and get nice wins then you keep betting and you get deeper and deeper into them but you are losing. Thats them raking you in. In land based casino's machines that are paying out a lot continually are shut down even if they are operating correctly the casino's job is not to let you win its to make them money. Yes its a gamble and the odds vary per machine but the odds are usually in favor of the house unless you are on a huge winning streak.

All that said, sorry CWG but you wont be getting any more deposits until things balance out. I deposited again this morning to see if anything had changed, same crap constant losses other than a few pennies then that stupid pop up came up "Please deposit more money". I dont think so.

 

[ironwill]

losing streak for me just furthered longer last night! Made a deposit with a 70% bonus along with the free spins to the new Panda game....lost it all in under an hour and never even made a $1 bet either!!!!

 

[me_and_ed]

Can I ask where you got your information about said switch though? The only reason why I ask this is because I used to work for 2 different casinos here in my home state. The gaming software portion of the slot machine, was taped off and secured with a wire. If at any point in time that tape and wire had to come off. It had to be in the presence of a state gaming official (or Indian), manager of the casino, head slot technician, independent 3rd party, and whomever is making the change. All of these folks were there to insure that no rigging of the machine was being done and that everything being done the machine was on the up and up. This also went for software upgrades, game changes, or even when a machine was being added or removed from the floor.

If that tape and wire were removed an alert from the machine was sent to the state gaming office alerting that the programming box was being opened. Therefore if a casino is making these "changes" on a whim, as stated in this statement. Then all of the said officials would have to be present and the machine would be opened. Not just changed by some magic switch. I will state again, there is no magic switch at land based casinos. These changes go through a very rigorous process. It just the machine goes through perceived hot and cold streaks. There is no magic trick that I've been trained on for a land based machine to make these "looser" or tighter".

This is correct, there is no playing with the machines RTP on managements whim, I have a family member that is a slot technician, he started working here in Canada, went to a group of Native run casinos in WA State and now is in Vegas, the machines are so secure and wired in you cannot even open them without numerous entities electronically notified, I am sure in the old days it happened but not in this day.

 

[dreamguardian1]

losing streak for me just furthered longer last night! Made a deposit with a 70% bonus along with the free spins to the new Panda game....lost it all in under an hour and never even made a $1 bet either!!!!

Hey you lasted an hour. My deposits been lasting maybe 15 minutes max lol.

 

[EbeeDog]

I haven't played online at all for nearly 2 months now. When a casino comes along that can pay me in the same time that it takes me to deposit, I will be happy to resume playing.

No 48 hrs., no verification faxes, no pics of my f'n license, no checks, no bonuses with hidden arcane TOS's, etc etc etc. They take a hard line with me, I take a hard line with them.

I'm not buying any shit about what trouble it is to operate in the states either. No processor crap, no pathetic excuses about how hard they're working to rectify issues, no bitcoin gymnastics.

Look at 3Dice: They f'd up a guy's 35G payment BUT, you didn't see Anna on here making excuses. What she did was kept mum and HANDLED it. Period.

In other words, my i-gaming career is over.

The only reason I keep on at this site is to monitor any progress in the states and see what shenanigans are being pulled elsewhere.

Right now, U.S. players are fish in a barrel.

 

[goatwack]

I haven't played online at all for nearly 2 months now. When a casino comes along that can pay me in the same time that it takes me to deposit, I will be happy to resume playing.

No 48 hrs., no verification faxes, no pics of my f'n license, no checks, no bonuses with hidden arcane TOS's, etc etc etc. They take a hard line with me, I take a hard line with them.

I'm not buying any shit about what trouble it is to operate in the states either. No processor crap, no pathetic excuses about how hard they're working to rectify issues, no bitcoin gymnastics.

Look at 3Dice: They f'd up a guy's 35G payment BUT, you didn't see Anna on here making excuses. What she did was kept mum and HANDLED it. Period.

In other words, my i-gaming career is over.

The only reason I keep on at this site is to monitor any progress in the states and see what shenanigans are being pulled elsewhere.

Right now, U.S. players are fish in a barrel.

Good to see you take a stand EbeeDog, and I agree that it must suck to play over there with such slow payment systems in place.

Casinos will continue to employ such lazy tactics as long as players are willing to tolerate such practices. I wouldn't go out of my way for them either, in fact like you I too would seriously contemplate not ever gambling online again until things get sorted. Not acceptable in this day and age when deposits are instant!

 

[EbeeDog]

Forgot to mention another benefit of being a member of CM - The entertainment value

Used the $ I woulda blown to buy an SG and started playing again ala Pete Townsend...yeehaw!

My neighbors love me

All I need now is 10 Hiwatt tube stacks behind me

 

[shewoff]

Good on ya EbeeDog. I play myself and I have had a 1956 SG for many many year's. Twin Humbucker's and a Dual Showman.Play on and count your lucky star's that you gave it up when you did.
:clap: Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff

 

[Mousey]

I haven't played online at all for nearly 2 months now. When a casino comes along that can pay me in the same time that it takes me to deposit, I will be happy to resume playing.

No 48 hrs., no verification faxes, no pics of my f'n license, no checks, no bonuses with hidden arcane TOS's, etc etc etc. They take a hard line with me, I take a hard line with them.

I'm not buying any shit about what trouble it is to operate in the states either. No processor crap, no pathetic excuses about how hard they're working to rectify issues, no bitcoin gymnastics.

Look at 3Dice: They f'd up a guy's 35G payment BUT, you didn't see Anna on here making excuses. What she did was kept mum and HANDLED it. Period.

In other words, my i-gaming career is over.

The only reason I keep on at this site is to monitor any progress in the states and see what shenanigans are being pulled elsewhere.

Right now, U.S. players are fish in a barrel.

I see you've been a member here since 2010. Maybe you played online before that, I dunno. All I'll say is you should have seen the gymnastics we endured during and after the NETeller (and other ewallet) disasters - thanks to our dear US gov. Oh... and the DOJ ran their own processor for awhile (undercover ya know). Do a google here for Linwood processing or similar. They paid really fast, too.

I haven't played online in over 3 years now - maybe 4?, I've lost track. Do I miss it? Hell yeah. Don't even have a B&M casino nearby. But I don't have the time, energy, or patience for the current state of deposit/withdraw hoop jumping. Also won't put my bank accounts/cards at risk.

Don't know if the situation will improve before I'm too old and senile to enjoy a spin or two, but I do know it's going to have to go through a huge change before I risk money, reputation, and sanity just to gamble online.