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Affiliates with integrity

Discussion in 'General Jive' started by lojo, Jan 22, 2008.

    Jan 22, 2008
  1. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

    Occupation:
    Tradesman
    Location:
    USA
    This is a sister thread to "Outing Rogue Affiliates"

    I went against my own premise of first sending a personal message, giving the webmaster time to audit his/her sight, and then outing them in the case of Mojo - and I want to publically apologize to Mojo for that.

    I understand that each business person must do their own due diligence and follow their own gut and conscience in determining who to partner with. I also am aware that I don't know much.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I've learned a lot lately about 'cookie stuffing', affiliate 'tools', etc. and the more I learn about the business of being an affiliate, the more I'm convinced of the need for the good affiliates to apply pressure on others in their industry to only present viable, solid casinos to players.

    Please read Casinomeister's response in the 'Rogue Affiliate' thread http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/21256-outing-rogue-affiliates-3.html#post203088

    Though my actions might have had some affect (no webmaster that I contacted refused to address the issue) I'm going to leave it to affiliates to police their own from here on out. And as I said in the other thread, and have stated numerous times; I sincerely want all casinos who struggle with player satisfaction and fairness to simply mend their ways and become truly successful.

    With that, my work on the issue is done.
     
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  2. Jan 22, 2008
  3. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    I do nothing productive
    Location:
    Hell on Earth
    No doubt about it, the casino affiliate business is a very very very dirty business, almost as dirty as politics. (this comes from someone who has been an casino affiliate for years).

    Often the affiliate (or group of affiliates) that seem the most respectable in public are often the very worst of the worst in their private(affiliate) actions.

    That is correct.
    However in the very secret and private world of casino affiliates, if you don't have a 'program' you have a hard time telling who is the bad guy and who is the good guy.

    Affiliates policing their own.... Now that is truly funny.

    What I find amazing about this whole casino affiliate thing is that in a business that is all about trust, there exist a group of people that are so ethically challenged.


    ***added***
    For those of you that are upset about the US ban on online casinos... I think you can lay a very large part of the responsibility for that ban in the laps of these ethically challenged affiliates that have given the online casino business such a bad name all around the world, with email spamming and referring players to dishonest casinos/poker rooms and all the other dirty little affiliate tricks that piss people off.
     
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  4. Jan 22, 2008
  5. GaryWatson

    GaryWatson Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Marketing Consultant
    Location:
    Europe

    It becomes even more difficult to find a good program when you find these ethically challenged affiliates are working within the affiliate programs, making the policing a rogues asset.
     
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  6. Jan 22, 2008
  7. USA2112

    USA2112 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Rehab old dwellings and playing music/guitar/etc..
    Location:
    USA
    To each their own, but I always try to advertise what is considered as a trusted casino for players. How I make these dicissions is base on visiting sites that I feel I can trust. Like the casinomeister and other watch dog sites. Some might think this is about making a few points :baby: "nope not the case" just a fact and it works for me. It's always better to visit sites that for one, been around longer and two, provide what you feel is good information to help make certain dicisions.

    One of my bigger concerns however is how much I can trust certain casino affiliate programs. I keep a close eye on what goes on with my players and I must say I am quite suspicious with some of the casinos I am affiliated with on whether the programs are registering players stats correctly. But thats a subject of it's own...:rolleyes:
     
  8. Jan 22, 2008
  9. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    I do nothing productive
    Location:
    Hell on Earth
    Most of the good affiliates do the same thing.

    Over in the sister thread aksana made a statement that I think bears repeating.

    I think this what good affiliates have evolved to become, a source of information for players so the players can protect themselves from the rogue casinos.

    Problem is so many casinos and affiliate programs are going Rogue right now it is very hard to keep all the bad casinos separated from the very very few good casinos.
     
  10. Jan 22, 2008
  11. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

    Occupation:
    Nursing & Run Bus Trips
    Location:
    Hartford,Ct
    Well put USA2112

    And the main thing is we all help each other if anyone gets in a bind with any place they may join.But I do have to say most of it is pure greed to some.
     
  12. Jan 22, 2008
  13. USA2112

    USA2112 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Rehab old dwellings and playing music/guitar/etc..
    Location:
    USA
    I agree it is getting hard.

    I had mentioned in the other thread how some affiliates think its just a big money tree. Well, just don't let greed get in the way and it can be alright and you can earn a little bit. But, for those affiliates that don't care about their players and whether they get burned at a casino will eventually burn down their own tree.
     
  14. Jan 23, 2008
  15. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!
    Gary thats funny man...is that the PC term nowadays for the Rogue Affiliate representing the Rogue Casino....:lolup:

    I'm just curious who all else is a member here that also represents Casinomeisters List of Rogue Casinos on their website...off to research
     
  16. Jan 23, 2008
  17. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

    Occupation:
    Nursing & Run Bus Trips
    Location:
    Hartford,Ct
    I have to agree 101% on the burn down their own tree. And some more I say too.
    In the past I have had many players ask me that the person that they joined by just ignored them in the time of need.and I have seen it too but I don't like to name names but if they do get into something that will harm that person in anyway you bet I would at that time. It all comes to Trust If you don't have that about that person don't give them the time of day I say.
    Thanks to other affiliates that are down to earth to take the time to help iron out the crap from the dirty affiliate.
    You do have some bad apples in every bushel.And the worst is it ^%$# when you have people that only care about one thing The Mighty Buck.
    In my field of work I have one thing I say to all to do is.
    "People Helping People And The World Will Be A Better Place To Live"
    You will find thee best forum in the World but anyplace you go you will always find ^%$# on them as well anyplace you go.You have many back stabbing @h's
     
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  18. Jan 23, 2008
  19. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

    Occupation:
    Tradesman
    Location:
    USA
    I wouldn't worry about 'trying to make points' USA2112

    Might as well out affiliates with integrity, even if you're outing yourself :)
     
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  20. Jan 23, 2008
  21. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!
    USA2112, I clicked on your link to check out your place and it comes up and says:

    Sorry, but this board is currently unavailable. Please try again later.:confused:
     
  22. Jan 23, 2008
  23. USA2112

    USA2112 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Rehab old dwellings and playing music/guitar/etc..
    Location:
    USA
    Thanks for the visit RobWin. Had some problems I've been trying to work out with no luck. So, had to shut down for a while to do some rebuilding just have not had much time. :rolleyes: Called in some help so hopefully soon.
     
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  24. Jan 23, 2008
  25. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!
    Let me know when you get it back up, I'd like to smoke it over...I've been checking out everybodys site trying to get some ideas...:cool:
     
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  26. Jan 26, 2008
  27. mojo

    mojo Dormant account

    Occupation:
    webmaster
    Location:
    East Coast
    Hello All,

    I am a new member here and went through the motions of signing up etc. I was transparent of who I am. An affilate. But most of all a player. I am referring to this thread here.

    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/22312-cool-made-cashout-off-1-comps-points-6.html

    Lojo, I appriciate your opening a new thread and your straight forward way of looking at things, though the method was tough on me. I thank you for the compliment. I respect your quest, however, in trying to do your part for this industry. I responded as such:

    I want to re-iterate I am a player. Many affiliates are not players. That is not a bad thing but I think I may understand more. I had a gambling problem and had to overcome that. I acutually had to be a raving lunitic to a funding method, firepay..remember them? I wanted them to ban me because I could not be trusted to utilize their service. I screamed at neteller too ( I was a total jerk) so they would close my account and not let me fund anymore. It worked. To those of you with a gambling problem and nothing else has worked, I recommend getting banned everywhere there is a funding method available to you. To this day I do not have a debit card on my checking account. I hope that makes sense.

    As far as the relevent issue here. I have so far removed cirrus though I am not done. I have more to go. lojo was 100% right. I conducted the poll mentioned above. While some were happy with them the negitives outweighed the positives.

    Now, here is my question. Since this is all one group, do you as players know what casinos are in this group? Why is one ok and one is not? To me, since I am also an affiliate, if you rouge one then you rouge them all.

    I do appriciate you hearing me out as I constantly am seeking knowledge in this industry. I don't like to be told what to do but I do need a smack in the head to pay attention.

    Resectfully,
    Mojo

    ps..i really do like lojo
     
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  28. Jan 26, 2008
  29. aksana

    aksana Aksana

    Occupation:
    a full-time webmaster
    Location:
    Europe
    First of all I should say that Mojo is a very good affiliate, she is one of those affiliates who thinks about players, because she is also a player. She knows more, she understands players better than a usual affiliate. She is very responsable and always tries to solve players' problems. And I know a lot of people who can confirm that.

    CasinoMeister is a forum for players, affiliates have their special forums like CAP, GPWA and etc, where we also have our rogue and trusted affiliate programs in spite of that these programs are CAP or GPWA certified. I'm an active member of CAP and GPWA and I always read all posts and I have never heard that Gambling Wages (affiliate program of Cirrus Casino, Palace of Chance and etc.) didn't solve affiliates problems, they even could solve players' problems if an affiliate like Mojo asked them, yes there were complaints concerning payments delay, but always all problems were solved, and really it was a BIG surprise when I saw that Cirrus Casino was recognized as the worst casino of 2007. I also promoted all these casinos,recently I removed them from my site. It was my fault because I didn't investigate them properly, that is why I started reading CasinoMester forum that to be in the center of all events of the gamblers' world.

    We all make mistakes... :oops:
     
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  30. Jan 26, 2008
  31. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!

    Look on Casinomeisters List of Rogue Casinos, he has already done all the research for you over the years and yes you have to Rogue all the casinos in the same group...eg: Virtual Casino Group...a lot of casinos in that group...all Rogues...
     
  32. Jan 26, 2008
  33. GaryWatson

    GaryWatson Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Marketing Consultant
    Location:
    Europe
    I would go as far to say, CAP is far from a reliable source of information. The more I read through the site, the less trustworthy they seem. I would use extreme caution taking their word on face value. Certainly not a good place to evaluate a site.
     
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  34. Jan 26, 2008
  35. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

    Occupation:
    Nursing & Run Bus Trips
    Location:
    Hartford,Ct
    I don't care where you go online to view any talk about Bingo,Poker,Casino.or whatever.You do have your Pro's & Con's.Because this one promotes this and that one promotes that.And this one says this is better and that one says it sucks.and so on.
    I just think the bottom line is Money.
    And the most important thing in this business is TRUSTand that the affiliate backs up the players if need be.I can name over 20 that would just ignore you if you ran into any trouble and this is a shame because it hurts the one's that care about the player.
    I rather go through a affiliate than to join the site straight up.
    But I do have to say CAP's does have good info and everyone will not agree with everything anyplace you go.
     
  36. Jan 26, 2008
  37. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!

    That's exactly why I suggested using Casinomeisters List of Rogue Casinos as a guideline as it is truly tried and tested over the years.
     
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  38. Jan 26, 2008
  39. aksana

    aksana Aksana

    Occupation:
    a full-time webmaster
    Location:
    Europe
    Yes, agree 100% with you!
     
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