Affiliates with integrity

[USA2112]

I would guess that 90% of players don't even know what an affiliate is and does.

Interesting point, my first few months playing online casinos I didn't know and when I found out what casino affiliates were it changed where I signed up for one and what casinos I chose by how they were being advertise and what information was provided by the affiliate.

Now I would suggest that any new player to online gambling do a little homework on the affiliates before signing up and getting to involved. The more you know the better the gambling experience!

 

[SlotsWizard]

I would suggest that any new player to online gambling do a little homework on the affiliates before signing up and getting to involved. The more you know the better the gambling experience!

Unless the affiliate site offers some sort of financial incentive to sign up with them (rakeback, etc.), doing homework on the affiliates is nowhere near as important as doing homework on the casinos you are considering signing up at, since they are the ones who ultimately will (or will not) be paying you.

There is also relatively little to discover by researching affiliates unless they have zero privacy concerns and have gone out of their way to make their information publicly available. I think for most US affiliates these days, privacy concerns are a high priority for obvious reasons.

In nearly all cases, you can judge the affiliate by the casinos they promote. Crap tends to cling together with crap.

 

[hippo925]

I would guess that 90% of players don't even know what an affiliate is and does.

i know a lot more now thanks to you guys and this thread!!

 

[USA2112]

Unless the affiliate site offers some sort of financial incentive to sign up with them (rakeback, etc.), doing homework on the affiliates is nowhere near as important as doing homework on the casinos you are considering signing up at, since they are the ones who ultimately will (or will not) be paying you.

There is also relatively little to discover by researching affiliates unless they have zero privacy concerns and have gone out of their way to make their information publicly available. I think for most US affiliates these days, privacy concerns are a high priority for obvious reasons.

In nearly all cases, you can judge the affiliate by the casinos they promote. Crap tends to cling together with crap.

I agree, that was my point, if the affiliate advertises casinos with credibility they will also provide good information about the casino for the player before they sign up. When affiliates have little to say about casinos they advertise and provide links and no information on their offers 1) they are hiding information on the casino because they are uninformed themselves or 2) they have knowledge of the casinos background being rogued in hopes of drawing in a little cash from the uninformed player.

For new players who want to gamble online it is best to visit many websites before getting to involved with the gambling and learn before they play. And yes it would be hard to find out information on any affiliate personally but their website does says alot.

 

[aksana]

I just want to take a second to applaud aksana and mojo:clap::clap::clap:

Again, this is not about Virtual, its about a fair game, period.

These two affiliates are taking a financial hit to 'do the right thing'. Most of us would probably agree that it will benefit them in the long run. How about we show them that now? If you are going to sign up at a new casino, may I suggest you go to one of their pages and sign up from there? (unless you always sign up through Casinomeister, which you should to show your appreciation of this site's work for and service to the player community) but if you are not of that habit yet, please show these two courageous affiliates your appreciation, and help them recoup some losses, by signing up today through one or both of them. I will next time i play at a new casino. It's the right thing to do. thx

Thanks lojo for your words, I appreciate it, but I think it's too much to ask somebody to sign up through my pages, and I think it's not fair, it's Bryan's forum, it's his house and as you said: "you should to show your appreciation of this site's work for and service to the player community", don't worry about me, I have players who like my site and they always come back to see new promotions and gambling news on my site.
But really thanks lojo for your efforts.
And I'm not looking players here who will sign up through my site. Just want to know everything in online gambling

 

[aksana]

For new players who want to gamble online it is best to visit many websites before getting to involved with the gambling and learn before they play. And yes it would be hard to find out information on any affiliate personally but their website does says alot.

I agree, and it's the same for all new affiliates who want to start business in online gambling: before to sign up at affiliate programs it's important to investigate online gambling market, it's important to know which affiliate programs and casinos are rogue and which are trusted. Now I'm currently working on one site where I will list all rogue and trusted affiliate programs with proofs. When I started my biz my main mistake was that I worked with wrong affiliate programs and as I see almost all new affiliates do this mistake.

 

[lots0]

When affiliates have little to say about casinos they advertise and provide links and no information on their offers 1) they are hiding information on the casino because they are uninformed themselves or 2) they have knowledge of the casinos background being rogued in hopes of drawing in a little cash from the uninformed player.

This is just not true.

There are a lot of reasons why some affiliate sites don't put up a lot of content about some of the casinos they promote. In my own case it is because I am very busy, I run a LOT of websites and to be honest I don't have time to promote every deal the casinos come up with. However, I am into making sure the casinos I deal with and send people to are honest.

I would guess that 90% of players don't even know what an affiliate is and does.

I agree with logo, most players have no clue about affiliates or what affiliate they signed up under. For one thing, most casinos keep that info private. Most affiliate programs will not let the affiliate know who signs up under them.

99.9% of affiliates are not like Bryan here at CM, they don't have the connections in the industry to be able to solve problems for players, so if a player contacts them with a problem there is not much the average affiliate can do, other than contact his or her affiliate manager and hope for the best. Not usually a very good way to solve a players problems in my opinion and experience.

Good hell, unless the affiliate is giving the casinos 10,000+ impressions and referring a dozen or more depositing players a month, most of the affiliate programs will treat the affiliates far worse than they do the players. In my experience, most casino affiliate programs will not even answer the emails of an 'under preforming' affiliates. So really all most affiliates can do to help players is to try to promote honest casinos in the first place.

 

[BingoT]

Wow I do have to say out of all the places I deal with have helped the players with a fast reply.and resolved many issues they had with them.
Must be the over 10,000+ impressions
If the affiliate goes to the affiliate manager for the help they need and gets it taken care of touche to the affiliate.I have never ran into any type of hassle with them.
Oh I forgot one time Bingosuite owed me some money and that took four months for me to get.
This place is not the best & I don't promote them anymore.

 

[lots0]

I never have messed around with any Bingo programs, maybe I should have... sounds like Bingo has much nicer affiliate managers than most of the casinos I have dealt with.

 

[BingoT]

Like I said I only ran into one person that gave me the most Bull and lied all the way to the bank.
Some people here helped me with this person to pay me.But I don't like to name names but if someone here would go for it.
All in all I have to say I have ran into some great people to work with.
It's like many years ago when I did promote Party Bingo,Party Poker heavy they sent me lots & lots of Hats,Cards,T-shirts.and more.But them days are far over.I still have a heart for Party Bingo.

 

[SlotsWizard]

In my experience, most casino affiliate programs will not even answer the emails of an 'under preforming' affiliate

Same here. And even if I/they aren't making any money, it's still very satisfying to drop them, based on the principle. When you aren't making any $$ you are the most liberated, because you have nothing to lose.

 

[aksana]

In my experience, most casino affiliate programs will not even answer the emails of an 'under preforming' affiliates. So really all most affiliates can do to help players is to try to promote honest casinos in the first place.

If you really want to get reply from affiliate managers you will always get it. There are a lot of ways to contact affiliate managers, emails, forums, msn, phone, even facebook, linkedin and other networks.
I always receive answers from affiliate programs even if they don't want to reply to me they have to reply to me because they know that I'll make a lot of noise around them. I think it depends on affiliates.
But after several years of my online gambling experience I started working only with those affiliate programs who will always reply to my requests and will help me.

 

[lots0]

One of the ways I test affiliate programs is first thing after I sign up I send the affiliate manager an email asking for advice and asking about conversions...

If they answer in a polite and helpful way, they are on their way to being promoted by me. If they don't answer or are assholes I just don't promote them.

 

[aksana]

One of the ways I test affiliate programs is first thing after I sign up I send the affiliate manager an email asking for advice and asking about conversions...

If they answer in a polite and helpful way, they are on their way to being promoted by me. If they don't answer or are assholes I just don't promote them.

Really good way Another way I test affiliate programs is after signing up there I'm waiting for a week or two and if after these weeks I don't receive any emails or newsletters I currently stopped working with them.

 

[SlotsWizard]

Really good way Another way I test affiliate programs is after signing up there I'm waiting for a week or two and if after these weeks I don't receive any emails or newsletters I currently stopped working with them.

Really? I actually find the newsletters annoying because they rarely contain anything useful.

 

[lots0]

I gotta agree with SlotsWizard on this one.

I find the regular news letters annoying.

I would much rather see just a straight forward notification that there is deal or bonus to promote if you want.

 

[aksana]

Really? I actually find the newsletters annoying because they rarely contain anything useful.

No, I don't agree, from newsletters of affiliate programs I always know the latest news and promotions of this program and their casinos, and I think every reputable affiliate program must send newsletters. If you don't want to receive them you may unsubscribe. Of course, there are newsletters that don't contain important information, usually I remove such newsletters, but for example, I like newsletters of DoylesRoom, Slotland, RoxyAffiliates, Lasseters and etc. I process all information from newsletters and I add the most important news and promotions on my site.

 

[SlotsWizard]

No, I don't agree, from newsletters of affiliate programs I always know the latest news and promotions of this program and their casinos, and I think every reputable affiliate program must send newsletters. If you don't want to receive them you may unsubscribe. Of course, there are newsletters that don't contain important information, usually I remove such newsletters, but for example, I like newsletters of DoylesRoom, Slotland, RoxyAffiliates, Lasseters and etc. I process all information from newsletters and I add the most important news and promotions on my site.

It depends on what your niche is. Mine is video poker, and very rarely does anyone come up with a new game - the only activity lately is a single-hand game being introduced in a multi-hand version and called "new".

 

[aksana]

It depends on what your niche is. Mine is video poker, and very rarely does anyone come up with a new game - the only activity lately is a single-hand game being introduced in a multi-hand version and called "new".

yes, really, it depends on the niche.

 

[USA2112]

This is just not true.

There are a lot of reasons why some affiliate sites don't put up a lot of content about some of the casinos they promote. In my own case it is because I am very busy, I run a LOT of websites and to be honest I don't have time to promote every deal the casinos come up with. However, I am into making sure the casinos I deal with and send people to are honest.

I wouldn't say this is just not true, in alot of cases it is. Rogue affiliates do not see it the same way as the affiliates that run only good casino offers. They are in for the money and that's basically it. They could care less about the player and the issues that come up with players not being paid.

But, as you say, with your time limited you make sure to run honest casino offers, that's what's important and that's not a bad way to advertise and I understand that. The only thing I would be concerned about with little to no information even though the casino has credibility, is the player also aware of the casinos credibility and would they use the link to sign up.

Theres alot of casino information out there to see when players visit websites, question is do they visit the right websites. This can be a determining factor to get players to sign up.

This is just my opinion, but I believe the more information provided equals more possibilties the player will sign up.

 

[lojo]

Not to be a spoiler, but if the conversation is going to be about things like this, could you guys take it to the webmaster's forum? I'm just asking. No offense intended, really

 

[mojo]

I have read all the posts here and it would do a service to all affiliates to read it as well. I understand that alot of players don't understand the affiliate role in all of this. There are so many factors and variations, like lojo said, it would be better served on another venue.

I did want to thank you all for this thread. It has served to bring everyone to a better understanding. Honestly, I am not afraid to speak up. I shut down however, if it is confrontational. We are adults and sometimes I see (not here) arguments started because for some reason we think that because we are on a computer, we don't have to have common curtesy.

But I ramble! lol sorry. One further thing to mention. You all know this as well as I do. For every bad affiliate there is a bad player. I can't tell you how many times I have gone to bat for someone and then found out they have mulitple accounts or something. I'm sure some others can relate. That said, it goes with the territory and any affiliate that doesn't take the good with the bad needs to move on.

Finally, I can't speak for aksana (who by the way, is probably the most serious advocate of fair play i have ever seen) but I will be happy to answer any affiliate questions you may have. I have gotten some feedback on some of you interested in this and perhaps becoming an affiliate yourself.

edit: i am not sure this is appropriate and i'm a little gun-shy but i will go ahead and post this link that is an ineterview with me. Please keep in mind i am a very small affiliate and by no means in league with the big guys lol. But for all it's worth here is me. I don't think CM will mind and I hope it is helpful here.
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[Simmo!]

Really? I actually find the newsletters annoying because they rarely contain anything useful.

No, I don't agree, from newsletters of affiliate programs I always know the latest news and promotions of this program and their casinos, and I think every reputable affiliate program must send newsletters. If you don't want to receive them you may unsubscribe. Of course, there are newsletters that don't contain important information, usually I remove such newsletters, but for example, I like newsletters of DoylesRoom, Slotland, RoxyAffiliates, Lasseters and etc. I process all information from newsletters and I add the most important news and promotions on my site.

I'm with Aksana on that - yes its true most stuff is pass-overable, but every now and again you find a juicy tidbit thats worth passing on.

Not to be a spoiler, but if the conversation is going to be about things like this, could you guys take it to the webmaster's forum? I'm just asking. No offense intended, really

None taken. Good idea Moved.

 

[aksana]

I don't think CM will mind and I hope it is helpful here.
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It's very good that you added your interview here, because I really enjoyed when I read it. And I think CM members should read it. Not all affiliates are rogue...

 

[SlotsWizard]

I'm with Aksana on that - yes its true most stuff is pass-overable, but every now and again you find a juicy tidbit thats worth passing on.

Agreed - I made the comment from a narrow-minded video poker perspective.