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But they aren't going to get sign ups from people searching those keywords, as all the casinos they advertise are on gamstop?
If it does attract hits like that, all the people are going to see is reasons why not to try to sign up anywhere.

Yeah I did think that, but if say someone gamstopped signed up through an affiliate link using a different email address etc.. to slip through the detection system and lose, does the affy still get paid?

Alternatively maybe it's just about getting the website's hit rate up, perhaps this helps their profile and the deals/contracts they can obtain from casinos etc...?

ps. I know next to nowt about the affiliate business
 
Yeah I did think that, but if say someone gamstopped signed up through an affiliate link using a different email address etc.. to slip through the detection system and lose, does the affy still get paid?

Alternatively maybe it's just about getting the website's hit rate up, perhaps this helps their profile and the deals/contracts they can obtain from casinos etc...?

ps. I know next to nowt about the affiliate business

Possibly, but then that shouldn't really be possible now with the pre deposit verification checks, and there does seem to have been a marked decrease in that type of complaint recently. Plus on rev share, if deposits are paid back then the affiliate com would be reduced by that amount.
Thats no different to someone finding this thread though, and deciding to sign up through a CM affiliate link using a fake name etc.
 
I'm not sure what the problem is there tbh, unless I've missed something it doesn't seem to list a single site that isn't on gamstop and specifically tells people not to try to get round it or use unlicensed casinos?

You did not miss anything. I apologize for my inattentiveness!

When I came across this article, I saw its introductory part (If you are tempted to find Casinos not on GAMSTOP, then read on) and that was enough for me... I thought it's this kind of article which tells site visitors bullshit like what are the benefits and advantages of playing in nongamstop casinos etc.

What I did not realise that "no gamstop casinos" became one of the high targeted keywords as every other dog started to create a piece of info on their sites on such subject trying to get a visitor. And many of them do it in an artful-crafty way!
 
Possibly, but then that shouldn't really be possible now with the pre deposit verification checks, and there does seem to have been a marked decrease in that type of complaint recently. Plus on rev share, if deposits are paid back then the affiliate com would be reduced by that amount.
Thats no different to someone finding this thread though, and deciding to sign up through a CM affiliate link using a fake name etc.

Maybe the proof of the pudding is when you type into google 'casinos not on gamstop', what sites come up, look at the content of each site and try and work out what is the purpose of their link, genuine information or cynical keywording... the one we are discussing comes up just underneath the actual gamstop site. With casino adverts actually embedded into the article rather than just at the side of the screen, makes me feel it is a cynical exercise.

Edit: ps. I wouldn't compare most of the affliate sites with CM, if this topic thread had casino adverts interspersed and running up the side, I wouldn't post here, I feel CM gets things about right. It is different, to be the same staff here would need to be deliberately posting keywords, simply for cynically getting higher up the google results for gamstop related searches.
 
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Alas a new torrent of filth has been detected. Exclusive shithole casinos. It makes you wanna weep.
xxx ... nongamstopcasinos.com/

Now they're even buying the f*cking domains. It gets worse.
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***…. bestuk.casino/not-on-gamstop/

Still 2 'reputable' casinos there, Volt and Cashmio

The worst thing about that site is that further down the page, it goes out of its way to assure the visitor that there are no problems with withdrawals from any of these casinos.,...
 
A quick update on this issue. I've followed-up contacting the few programs left on these sites that we work with that are still listed.

Sadly, a couple of the programs that we contacted originally had informed us that they disagree with our position that responsible programs should not be working with these affiliates, indicating that their opinion is that simply removing the content is sufficient. As such we have removed links to the following programs:

Shadow Affiliates (ShadowBet)
ZeePartners (Playzee)

TP
 
Since Roshteins little bombshell it seems all streamers have started ramping up the stakes

Nick Slots is now doing £10-£20 spins on CasinoEuro. Those videos/threads against them really went a long way....
 
Since Roshteins little bombshell it seems all streamers have started ramping up the stakes

Nick Slots is now doing £10-£20 spins on CasinoEuro. Those videos/threads against them really went a long way....
It’s ok he’s well up this year and can bet what he wants (his words) never worry about the idiots watching his stream who tries the same
 
No he's just straight up bored of low stakes (which is now £2 for them). He was playing £5 spins on Genie Megaways and was moaning because it was capped at a fiver (hence the boredom and wanting to play big stakes), within 2 minutes he'd quit the game and moved to Jammin Jars on £6 then £10

None of them give a f*** mate, if you don't like its a case "don't watch, go and watch someone else".... casinos wont kick them off their platforms either, to much money being made. hence the new found arrogance when dealing with "trolls" as we are now called.
 
Sadly, a couple of the programs that we contacted originally had informed us that they disagree with our position that responsible programs should not be working with these affiliates, indicating that their opinion is that simply removing the content is sufficient. As such we have removed links to the following programs:


Following-up on this - we're seeing a small number of programs expressing some discontent with canceling the account of one specific site. As such I've put together an article today detailing our position on this issue exactly -
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In short, we're taking a zero tolerance approach to this issue. The vast majority of operators have been quick to terminate relationships with these affiliates. As of the beginning of October ThePOGG will be Blacklisting operators who choose to prioritise their ongoing financial relationships with affiliates that have wantonly preyed on vulnerability over maintaining the moral integrity of their brand. Unlike previously where we only contacted the programs we work with, today I've audited all the involved sites and contacted all operators (barring the currently Blacklisted unlicensed problem operators) to ensure every program is aware (almost 80 operators) of what's been going on and has ample time to take appropriate action before October.

It's sad that for some operators it has had to come to an ultimatum of this nature.....

TP

P.S. I would like to say a special thanks to the team at Kindred who had this issue address literally within minutes of being contacted today.
 
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Following-up on this - we're seeing a small number of programs expressing some discontent with canceling the account of one specific site. As such I've put together an article today detailing our position on this issue exactly -
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In short, we're taking a zero tolerance approach to this issue. The vast majority of operators have been quick to terminate relationships with these affiliates. As of the beginning of October ThePOGG will be Blacklisting operators who choose to prioritise their ongoing financial relationships with affiliates that have wantonly preyed on vulnerability over maintaining the moral integrity of their brand. Unlike previously where we only contacted the programs we work with, today I've audited all the involved sites and contacted all operators (barring the currently Blacklisted unlicensed problem operators) to ensure every program is aware (almost 80 operators) of what's been going on and has ample time to take appropriate action before October.

It's sad that for some operators it has had to come to an ultimatum of this nature.....

TP

P.S. I would like to say a special thanks to the team at Kindred who had this issue address literally within minutes of being contacted today.

Thanks for the update! Its sometimes hard for me to see all the important info.

Well done for taking a zero tolerance policy! The average player salutes you!
 
Update:

With the October deadline approaching I followed-up with a large number of operators over the last week or so. Here are the operators that have successfully disengaged with these affiliates:

10Bet
Bet365
BGO
Branders Affiliates
Casino Calzone
Casumo
Energy Casino
Gate777
Ikibu
Karamba
Kindred (Unibet, Maria, Bingo.com, iGame)
L&L Europe
Mansion (SlotsHeaven)
MrQ
Play Frank

And here are the programs I have followed-up with so far:

888
Aha Partners
Betfair
Bethard
BigWin Affiliates
Blackspins
Bright Affiliates
Casino Heros
Chanz
Cheeky Riches
Dreamz
Dunder
EGO Affiliates
Ellmount
Excel
Expekt
Galaxy Affiliates
gan.com (Winstar)
GameOnPartners
Get Lucky
Global iGaming Affiliates
Goliath Casino
Guts
InTouch Partners
Ivy Affiliates
King Casino
Magic Red
Maxi Affiliates
Metal Casino
MrGreen
MrWin
MultiLotto
Onyx Affiliates
PAF
Party
Planet Fruity
PlayMillion
PlayUK
Prank Casino
RedSpins
River Affiliates (VegasCasino.com)
Rovert Affiliates
Royal Affiliates
Royal Panda
Slots Magic
Spin Fiesta
SuprAffs (NYSpins/Voodoo Dreams)
The Online Casino
TonyBet
TouchLucky
TurboVegas
Venture Affiliates
William Hill

The above list should not be read as an indicator of intent. Many of the programs have already stated their intention to terminate their relationship with the involved affiliates but are having issues getting some of the affs to remove their listings and others have only been contacted today as they were new additions to the list. A far smaller number have stated they don't see a problem with what's gone on as long as the affiliates stop and have stated their intention to continue to support these businesses. That smaller subset of names will be published in early October.

I'd like to say a personal thanks to those programs that have got on top of this already - it's great to see these operators really taking responsibility.

TP
 
Sadly, a new site has appeared, already kicked from one or two programmes (as confirmed by the person who contacted me with them).
The bestcasinos dot co.uk so definitely trying to attract UK Gamstop players, the scum.

Naturally sprinkled with 1668/JAZ scam sites from Alpha Interactive and Gametech etc. such as madame-nofucking-chance
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Sadly, a new site has appeared, already kicked from one or two programmes (as confirmed by the person who contacted me with them).
The bestcasinos dot co.uk so definitely trying to attract UK Gamstop players, the scum.

Naturally sprinkled with 1668/JAZ scam sites from Alpha Interactive and Gametech etc. such as madame-nofucking-chance
:axeman:

Have you reported it to ASA mate? I got a response when I reported one a while back. They said they ask the hosts to remove them but they can't take further action as these sites are setup offshore.
 
Sadly, a new site has appeared, already kicked from one or two programmes (as confirmed by the person who contacted me with them).
The bestcasinos dot co.uk so definitely trying to attract UK Gamstop players, the scum.

Naturally sprinkled with 1668/JAZ scam sites from Alpha Interactive and Gametech etc. such as madame-nofucking-chance
:axeman:

just teh usual shite isn't it :(
 
It is long past time I posted an update on this issue and I will offer an apology for this being very late. There have been a number of other issues that have pulled my attention away from this matter over the last couple of months, but the blunt truth is that I have been putting this off as I consider our efforts on this front an unmitigated failure.

Cutting to the chase, the situation is that of the programs we contacted about this issue the majority either offered no response or what we feel is an inadequate response. Large swathes of the industry are taking the position that as long as the identified affiliate stops engaging in these marketing strategies, everything is a-o-k.

We have heard a lot of self-serving platitudes about redemption and rehabilitating wayward affiliates by showing them the right way to go about marketing. These could be laudable positions if it were not for two factors:

i) The site in question is a big player in the industry. The motivation behind wanting to rehabilitate this site, when no-one has questioned trying to rehabilitate any of the other smaller partners, is highly dubious.


ii) These affiliates engaged a clearly thought through strategy to target and exploit vulnerable persons. Malicious intent is not best dealt with via “rehabilitation”, nor would we ordinarily choose to give someone identified intentionally exploiting vulnerability access to the same vulnerable people again after “correcting their error”.

If a teacher is identified having an inappropriate relationship with a pupil, they do not get to teach again.

If a doctor is found touching patients in an inappropriate fashion, they are not allowed to practice further.

If a care worker if found to be financially exploiting the people they are employed to help they don’t get access to vulnerable people again.

But the attitude of this industry is that when a business partner is identified actively targeting gambling addicts, as long as they stop the identified actions there is no further reason for concern. In fact, they are to be considered a valued partner.






As long as the affiliate stops engaging in these practices, why should there be any further repercussions?

This is the question that has been asked again and again by those programs that would like to continue working with this affiliate. Their practices are compliant now so what is the problem?

The problem is one of cause and effect. By simply requiring the affiliate to stop ‘doing the bad thing’, it sets a precedent. That precedent is that you can do the bad thing and as long as you stop when you are caught there are no negative consequences for you. Drunk driving? No problem – when the police flag you over simply stop driving and wait till you sober up and everything is ok. Embezzling money from your employer? I am sure when they find out they will be happy for you to keep your job (and the money you took) as long as you stop. Cheating on your wife? Again there should be no negative consequences for you as long as you stop when she finds out.

In effect, this position makes the statement that every affiliate can now take a shot at this or a similar marketing strategy, cash in for a time, and simply stop when the problem practice is identified. All under the guise of shepherding wayward affiliates back to a position of compliance.

Open season has been declared on gambling addicts.



Money Talks

Sadly this issue has come to a head at the same time as other more fundamental problems with ThePOGG’s business structure have become apparent. Over the last couple of years we have invested a very significant amount of our revenue in the development of BetBlocker. This is money that was diverted from other activities that ensure that the business continues to receive traffic from various sources, but primarily search engines. The lack of investment in ThePOGG has resulted in a drop in search engine rankings, and consequently traffic, that started to become apparent in June of this year.

The relevance of weaker rankings to this conversation is one of influence. With weaker rankings for important search terms, operators are less inclined to worry what we have to say. My personal opinion on this is that it has directly impacted our ability to influence operators with regard to this matter. We have less clout than we did a few years ago. Ironically, as a group that has taken direct action to help problem gamblers we are now finding a by-product of our efforts is a weakened ability to affect change.

And that leaves us at an impasse. The simple truth is that if we look at the array of programs still listed on this site – remembering to take into account regional variations – the sheer number of programs precludes us from being able to take any meaningful action. And this does not take into account the ongoing monitoring involved in the game of whack-a-mole that has occurred in the last few months with programs that say they have terminated their relationship with the affiliate but keep appearing back in the listings.

To my mind, the response to this issue should have been clear and self-evident to every operator in the business – if you find one of your partners exploiting gambling addicts in this manner, you stop working with them. No ifs, no buts, this was not a ‘mistake’ – you terminate the relationship and put as much distance as you can between these activities and your brand. That however counted on the industry seeing past their wallets to make decisions based on principals - a clear misjudgement on my part.

Had the industry taken a strong and consistent stance on this issue word would quickly have spread within the industry and this would have been a non-issue. The offending parties would quickly have found themselves without respectable partners to work with.

Rather than finding a cooperative industry that saw the inherent dangers of allowing this practice to go unchallenged what we actually got back from many programs was disinterest or, more concerningly, active resistance to anything that would result in a loss of revenue.

If players were ever to question whether the online gambling industry was genuinely interested in protecting problem gamblers this issue provides solid grounds for contesting that the bottom line will trump any faux social concern for large swathes of the industry.

The above said it should still be noted that the programs previously mentioned did take action on this issue, showing that the apparent apathy for this issue was not by any means universal. These programs should be applauded for having the courage to stick by moral principles, demonstrating that for some Responsible Gambling means more than empty promises.



Setting things right

Another interesting interaction during this pantomime of denials of responsibility has purportedly been with the affiliate in question. One of the operators in question did look to engage a type of mediation between ourselves and the affiliate.

I need to be clear at this juncture that we never interacted with the affiliate directly, so everything said about this is what we were told was said. We cannot speak to the veracity of the communications between the operator and the affiliate.

The operator spoke to the affiliate who they report claims that they “did not make a cent out of the article in question, as it did not rank high and for that reason never got organic traffic”. Alongside this we were told that they offered to make a donation of £1.5k to a UK based Responsible Gambling charity to redress this issue. This is certainly an interesting claim and offer combo and if it could be verified via data may have influenced our position on this issue.

Sadly it was not to be.

The claim of zero organic traffic was not one that the affiliate were prepared to back-up with Google Analytics data. It also fails to take into account traffic landing on this page from other sources. Saying that the only manner in which vulnerable persons could have been damaged by this content is via organic search traffic ignores the high traffic nature of the site in general and the fact that this page is a page that was prominently linked up in the main menu of their site. Traffic landing anywhere on the site from any source was never more than one click away from the offending content.

And the offer of a donation was not unqualified either. The donation was to be made on the basis that we remove mention of this affiliate from our previous article on this issue (effectively expunging history for the affiliate) and inform those programs that had terminated their relationships with this affiliate that the affiliate had “taken the responsible actions to be a compliant guide going forward.”

So we have an argument that fail basic scrutiny, that even were we to accept it as reasonable could not be qualified as accurate with any data, and an offer of a charitable donation that requires us to take actions to restore beneficial financial relationships for the affiliate that would likely be worth more than the donation. Given the quantifiers placed throughout this offer it is hard to view it as anything less than cynical.

All of the above said about the conditions on the donation I do need to be clear that we would have happily agreed to this arrangement if the data could have been verified. If minimal UK traffic could be shown to ever have landed on that page then the likelihood of harm to vulnerable players would have likewise been minimal.




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All in all this is one of the saddest episodes I’ve seen in the gambling industry and I think it will be far from the last of this nature given the lack of any actual consequences for the culprits.

Some days it is very hard to muster any positivity about this industry.

TP
 
This is sad, the whole business. If the attempt for demarcation between unethical rogue affiliates and hitherto reputable casinos has ultimately failed, then the whole industry is completely broken.

Money is clearly getting in the way of morals.
 
Lets hope ukgc and other licence authorities hit the unserious affs harder and also slap the big casinos that affiliate with such in a proper way.

The correct thing is to cut all ties. If an affiliate is unethical regarding responsible gaming, how can a proper casino even trust him?
 
All in all this is one of the saddest episodes I’ve seen in the gambling industry and I think it will be far from the last of this nature given the lack of any actual consequences for the culprits.

Some days it is very hard to muster any positivity about this industry.

TP

Thanks for the update and the hard work you are putting behind this. But to be honest, I am baffled that you are surprised by how this industry operates. Money corrupts people, simple and clear. Not all but a lot.

I've been in online gaming since 1998 and have seen what money does to people. Hence, I am not the least surprised. I also spent enough time with "insiders" and the way they talk about players told me enough about their morals and overall that of the entire industry
 
All in all this is one of the saddest episodes I’ve seen in the gambling industry and I think it will be far from the last of this nature given the lack of any actual consequences for the culprits.

Some days it is very hard to muster any positivity about this industry.

TP

Just thought I should have added a few more things.

You have been part of this "circus" for long enough just like me. Can you name one RG measure that the industry voluntarily introduced? A single one would be sufficient! :D

Or was it always under pressure from the regulators and even then it has been watered down to the absolute minimum via intense lobbying?

I got quite some heat in this thread when I was talking about "faux outrage". I still stand by my argument. Again, as I mentioned it does not apply to everyone but money will "corrupt" people, that is nothing new or surprising.
 
This is clearly an uphill struggle and while it is obvious you will never eradicate the problem fully, to accept defeat will allow more power to them and open up the availability.

If we keep this thread going at least some of us will remain informed.

In any case, grateful for the work and effort.

It is clear some casinos are taking this seriously as Casumo, no small player, are still listening and are interested and taking action. Kudos to you Casumo - clearly a casino showing good intent.

For an average player all of this talk of affiliates and parent companies is a little unclear.

A list of casinos which are not taking action would be good for me so I can display what little power i have by picking where to deposit.

I take it none of the casinos in question are on the recommended CM list?
 
Thank you for that Duncan, very well written. Although I can guess some, is there any reason you can't name and shame the programmes who didn't care?

Other than the list being the height of a professional basketball player?

The truth is that we got a broadly positive response from the partners we worked with at the time this all came to light. We have more sway and expected high standards from those programs we rated highly. Of those programs only three told us that they intended to keep working with the aff in question - Playzee, ShadowBet and Videoslots. We have removed links to all three of these programs.

When we extended our contacts beyond those we were working with the response was flat disinterest for the most part. You can see in previous posts who we contacted and who took action. If a name doesn't appear on the who took action list, you can guess what the response was.

TP
 
I'm quite surprised at Videoslots, I reported a couple of affiliates back when Dan was the rep here for things and they were removed immediately. Just shows how money grabbing they are now.

Thanks @ThePOGG for dumbing it down for me.

I appreciate and understand what you say about the list.

Im surprised at Videoslots also. Its where I play most damn it.
 
@ThePOGG I'll use videoslots as an example as I don't really know the others.

Does removing their links mean you, as an affiliate, will now stop promoting that casino?

If the answer is yes - do you know of any other affiliates that have severed links with videoslots for the same reason as you or do you stand alone on this one?

It does feel to me that there is definitely a part for affiliates to play in this whole saga as they could follow your example. I strongly doubt that will happen though - I think money is just too much of a motivator Vs taking any moral stance.

Your actions are to be commended though - you proved through actions and not words what this whole saga means to @ThePOGG and can legitimately take the moral high ground.
 
I think ultimately the best course of action would be to send a dossier about this whole affair and of operators doing business with these rogue affiliates to the UKGC. Yeah, we're only one market but we are one with power to heavily penalise financially if necessary.

Apologies if such a move is already in motion.
 
I have a feeling if multiple people sent complaints to the UKGC and the ASA about the legitimate casinos working with these rogue affiliates, they may actually take action against them. I think it would quite easily be argued that being listed on a site with 'how to get round gamstop' pages, falls foul of the socially responsible advertising rules in place.

I may have time this week to knock something up that a few of us could send if anyones up for it.
 
I think I have worked out what affiliate site we are talking about here.

They hold such a high position on the search engines under not just irresponsible terms but also highly searched generic terms. They must be making a fortune, so you can see why they ain't gonna stop.

Some governments block access to illegal gambling sites, maybe the UKGC could start doing that here.
 
I think I have worked out what affiliate site we are talking about here.

They hold such a high position on the search engines under not just irresponsible terms but also highly searched generic terms. They must be making a fortune, so you can see why they ain't gonna stop.

Some governments block access to illegal gambling sites, maybe the UKGC could start doing that here.

Good in theory, but impossible to implement. The premier league has been IP blocking for years but I can find links to matches, IPTV services, kodi add on, all streaming all the games within minutes.
Same as the pirate bay, had authorities all over the world blocking it, takes minutes to circumvent anything they do.
 
Good in theory, but impossible to implement. The premier league has been IP blocking for years but I can find links to matches, IPTV services, kodi add on, all streaming all the games within minutes.
Same as the pirate bay, had authorities all over the world blocking it, takes minutes to circumvent anything they do.
Except for recent news, Canada has been pretty much for net neutrality; and some providers (internet) here flat our refused to kowtow (though some tow the line)
But as you say, there's always a workaround
 
Except for recent news, Canada has been pretty much for net neutrality; and some providers (internet) here flat our refused to kowtow (though some tow the line)
But as you say, there's always a workaround

A lot here refuse to do anything, but the premier league just get a court order forcing them too. They even have 'floating' orders now, so the PL can block sites in minutes and still doesn't work.
 
The best way to block these sites, I would've thought, is to block their ability to take payments from uk citizens.

Bitcoin might be difficult, but maybe the other e-wallets etc.. could be prevented from facilitating these transactions if the govt will is there to make it illegal. Otherwise the payment firms are helping to undermine and circumvent the gamstop system?
 
The best way to block these sites, I would've thought, is to block their ability to take payments from uk citizens.

Bitcoin might be difficult, but maybe the other e-wallets etc.. could be prevented from facilitating these transactions if the govt will is there to make it illegal. Otherwise the payment firms are helping to undermine and circumvent the gamstop system?

Totally agree, but then you would get third parties set up to take the payments for the casinos to get round it. Having said that, the more obstacles the more chance people will give up :)
 
The best way to block these sites, I would've thought, is to block their ability to take payments from uk citizens.

Bitcoin might be difficult, but maybe the other e-wallets etc.. could be prevented from facilitating these transactions if the govt will is there to make it illegal. Otherwise the payment firms are helping to undermine and circumvent the gamstop system?

I believe the webwallets like Neteller and Skrill already do so. We said this years ago, that cut the blood off from the parasite and it moves on or dies. Check out the recent thread where one UK player was shafted by one of those 1668/JAZ sites and found his card had Rouble transactions and one to some kind of Chinese textile company or something, plus the fees that went with them. So the crooks are already disguising themselves as non-gambling transactions to insure against blocks and subsequent player chargebacks.
 
I wonder what the chargeback legal situation is for one of these 1668/jaz sites, if you've used a debit card and been scammed, effectively visa ( or mastercard etc..) have let the scammers act as one of their merchants?

Or are most people using e-wallets etc..these days

Edit: The real, long term answer is probably greater regulation of the casinos operating from curacao (and any of the other less reputable areas) it could be done if the will is there. Apparently curacao citizens are EU citizens, so that is something to ponder too. Why should these dodgy casinos be just allowed to rip people off, and if those people are already struggling with serious addiction issues, it's doubly worse.
 
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@ThePOGG I'll use videoslots as an example as I don't really know the others.

Does removing their links mean you, as an affiliate, will now stop promoting that casino?

If the answer is yes - do you know of any other affiliates that have severed links with videoslots for the same reason as you or do you stand alone on this one?

Yes, removing links means that we are no longer sending traffic to these operators. I'm not aware of other affiliates that have take these steps but that does not mean none have.

I agree, affiliates could make a difference. But bluntly put - and I will preface this by saying that this is a general statement and not applicable to every affiliate - affiliates have a well earned reputation for being utterly ethic-less, moral vacuums. Look at how these sites are proliferating.

There's a good reason that affiliate advertising keeps getting operators in trouble and this issue is a perfect example of that.

TP
 
Regarding shutting 'these sites' down via banking etc - all the major regulators are involved with the banking sector to try and shut the payment processors that are working with unlicensed operators down as quickly as possible. But the fundamental truth is that this is a near impossible job. These companies are of a disposable nature. They are constantly opening up and shutting down as they are identified. And yes, they are basically engaged in money laundering, processing transactions under misleading descriptors.

The US government has been trying to shut the black market down since 2006 without any real success. Australia's gone down the same road and is now experiencing the same issues. The UK and Sweden have chosen the regulatory path rather than prohibition, but overheads for operating legitimately in these markets are massive meaning that the black market can simply afford to offer far more attractive honey trap bonuses and throw a lot more money at affiliates.

Working with payment providers is part of an overall approach, but it is no magic bullet.

TP
 
Yes, removing links means that we are no longer sending traffic to these operators. I'm not aware of other affiliates that have take these steps but that does not mean none have.

I agree, affiliates could make a difference. But bluntly put - and I will preface this by saying that this is a general statement and not applicable to every affiliate - affiliates have a well earned reputation for being utterly ethic-less, moral vacuums. Look at how these sites are proliferating.

There's a good reason that affiliate advertising keeps getting operators in trouble and this issue is a perfect example of that.

TP

I removed a couple I had listed (but don't promote 100's so that was all to remove) and Dunover said he would remove any still being promoted after the 1st of one month (October?) Not sure about any others.
 
Ultimately the fate of ethical and decent affiliates will be no different to that of the rogue ones if regulators get involved, which they will inevitably - unless the operators can demonstrate they are on top of it all before it happens, which alas seems not to be the case overall.
 
Hey, guys, I don't understand how come accredited casinos still working with affiliates sites like casinomir?

From their .com site casino logos were removed but they are still listed on https:// casinomir.com/ja/ (Japanese version).

This is exactly what has me so utterly defeated on this issue. Many operators have continued working with these affs and have just asked to be removed in certain markets while representing that they understand how significant this activity has been and have acted to stop it. So when you go to regional variants you'll find they're still on there. Monitoring just the main sites is a significant workload in itself. Identifying all the regional variants and monitoring them all is at least a full time job. We couldn't afford to put someone on this full time.

Operators on these sites should be utterly ashamed, but 'faux outrage' would be a fair descriptor for those who made a big issue of acting to distance themselves from these affiliates in the UK and other closely watched markets yet still turn up on these sites on other regional variants.

TP
 
I removed a couple I had listed (but don't promote 100's so that was all to remove) and Dunover said he would remove any still being promoted after the 1st of one month (October?) Not sure about any others.

Yep, I did say that and I stand by it - the issue wasn't confirmed absolutely until now although thePOGG did tell me a couple of weeks back in a private chat that those three were still problematic and not likely to reverse their decision. Now that's not in doubt, I am right now marking them on the casino csv file as 'excluded' so within 24 hours those three should be no longer visible on FPC. Thanks for reminding me, thanks to thePOGG for confirming.
 
I personally think any casino found to be working with these operators, should be told then tossed in the rogue pit if they continue to do so, even on foreign sites, as that shows they don't care. Thats giving them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't actually know beforehand, which I find hard to believe considering how the affiliate programmes tell us constantly how they are monitoring our sites for the slightest breach in ASA guidelines.
 
Yep, I did say that and I stand by it - the issue wasn't confirmed absolutely until now although thePOGG did tell me a couple of weeks back in a private chat that those three were still problematic and not likely to reverse their decision. Now that's not in doubt, I am right now marking them on the casino csv file as 'excluded' so within 24 hours those three should be no longer visible on FPC. Thanks for reminding me, thanks to thePOGG for confirming.

I had a quick look at your site and couldn't see any I noticed, so thought you already had tbh. Do you not think its a little misleading displaying game RTP's then promoting casinos running them at far lower levels though? Maybe change the game page to the range rather than a fixed rtp?
 
I had a quick look at your site and couldn't see any I noticed, so thought you already had tbh. Do you not think its a little misleading displaying game RTP's then promoting casinos running them at far lower levels though? Maybe change the game page to the range rather than a fixed rtp?

And here is the heading text on the 'slot rtp finder main page':

"…..and is set by the developer but in some cases the online casino can request a lower RTP. Play’n Go and IGT for example offer a range to their customers, but if you’re in the UK the RTP figure of the slot you are playing must be visible in the game rules.
Most online casino slot games will be in the 94-97% range with 96-96.50% being the norm. The figures shown are factory RTP’s which means the maximum the developer provides and is normally what you’ll get unless the casino has a lower version so again, check the game rules. This RTP can be allocated differently, for example 70% to the base game and 26% to the free spins or other...."

I have actually repeated the point just to make it even clearer - the objective of the page is informational and to give viewers the names of casinos offering the software and factory RTP, which the viewer is informed both to check and where to see it.

The bottom of each page says something along the lines of (green bar) UKGC or reputable casinos with xxxx games, it doesn't tell the viewer the anywhere that the factory RTP is guaranteed, in fact again the opposite I quoted above.

The ranges are there if providers actually give them like IGT do on many games, like Netent have with the recent Ozzy slot for example. But how can I know how far under the factory RTP a game could offer say to a player outside the UK, where the casino may not be obliged to state it under that jurisdiction? This info is known to the casino's non-UK operation and to the developer, not me. So I won't be speculating and no, I don't think it's misleading. I could offer information about Heinz Baked Beans and where to buy them, but I am not a price comparison site and can't possibly keep check on all the shops which sell them and the price they offer on any particular day! Gimme a break man!
 

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