Casino Complaint 3Dice Game Stat Logs ??

[RobWin]

I personally think that we should all bow down and praise the almighty Enzo for keeping his software truly honest and offering us such great odds on winning there and also most importantly for being so prompt when we request of him to please forward our gaming logs to us thru both email and also private message here and now strangely enough four days later I have not even heard a response from the man regarding my request and I do know for a fact that he received it....He's been on this forum everyday since I sent the request to him...

Maybe it is taking some time to get this info into presentable format...huh

Why has this been the case anytime anyone has ever requested this from 3Dice casino ?? Seems to me it would be as simple as emailing a copy of your play stats by means of an excel spreadsheet almost immediately but I guess I am simply over simplifying things...

I haven't said anything at all about this, waiting on Enzo to respond to my request via email or the one I sent here via private message...so what's up with receiving a copy of my play logs that I requested Enzo ?? Why even no response at all from you regarding my request ??

Is there perhaps some sort of pattern in my play stats that you do not want me to see ??

This post could have been avoided here if you had of only responded to my request, but you couldn't even bother yourself to do that ??

Is this the way long time loyal customers to your casino should expect to be treated from you regarding this type of request...that you cannot even take the time to respond ??

 

[Pinababy69]

You know Rob, I asked Enzo about this last week I think...when Same_Old had mentioned it in his thread. Enzo assured me that any player who wanted their logs need only make a request through live chat/support, or him personally. And now I read this?

Okay granted, two days were a weekend.....but still. It shouldn't be too difficult a request to comply with.

Can you keep us updated if/when you get them?

 

[RobWin]

You know Rob, I asked Enzo about this last week I think...when Same_Old had mentioned it in his thread. Enzo assured me that any player who wanted their logs need only make a request through live chat/support, or him personally. And now I read this?

Okay granted, two days were a weekend.....but still. It shouldn't be too difficult a request to comply with.

Can you keep us updated if/when you get them?

Yes and it is strange indeed that Enzo avoids even responding to my request...Karen even sent me back an email Saturday saying that she would personally forward my email on to Enzo and I have still yet to hear anything from him !!

What is really shocking to me is the fact that Enzo has not even had the courtesy of acknowledging my request...

 

[silcnlayc]

anyone has ever requested this from 3Dice casino

Yep, asked a few times through the forum and through 3dice..nothing, nada, zilch...I asked about the blackjack decks...too..nothing there either..strange, you would think if they are on the up and up, they wouldn't mind telling how many decks etc..but there again, nothing for over a month now..ahh well...

 

[mercy]

you would think if they are on the up and up, they wouldn't mind telling how many decks etc..but there again, nothing for over a month now..ahh well...


Guilt by silence

 

[RobWin]

Yep, asked a few times through the forum and through 3dice..nothing, nada, zilch...I asked about the blackjack decks...too..nothing there either..strange, you would think if they are on the up and up, they wouldn't mind telling how many decks etc..but there again, nothing for over a month now..ahh well...

I want to also know how many others here have requested their game logs and never received them and if they did finally receive them how long did it take and why was there such a delay in getting them if like silcnlayc says they are on the up and up !!

This type of behavior does not seem to me to be worthy of an accredited casino confirmation IMO...

 

[jas2587]

well I have not requested mine because I
uninstalled them a long time ago sad sad indeed
some 1 told ya'll that in 1yr they would bet $1000
that people would be upset with 3Dice but
I guess that is when it was tweaked for certain
people to win an ya'll didn't have time to listen

but I am sure when he gets around to it
if he does he will throw ya a little sumtin sumtin
to keep ya happy till the vacume gets turned back on
an sucks ya dry

Good Luck an sorry to say
Enzo might make a appearance an
post but like past threads have shown
he wont


Cindy

 

[mercy]

This thread makes me feel like this

 

[RobWin]

This thread makes me feel like this

LOL mercy... I wonder where you found that pic at...

 

[mercy]

LOL mercy... I wonder where you found that pic at.

I'll never tell The topic and some of the posts have my head turning round and round.

Back on topic......... I have been one of the most fervent supporters of 3dice in the past, but I just can't dismiss the silence of Enzo and 3dice for not getting an audit and giving play stats when requested, especially by a large depositor like you.

I hope that Enzo responds to this soon as I may be losing my faith in playing there.

 

[RobWin]

I'll never tell The topic and some of the posts have my head turning round and round.

Back on topic......... I have been one of the most fervent supporters of 3dice in the past, but I just can't dismiss the silence of Enzo and 3dice for not getting an audit and giving play stats when requested, especially by a large depositor like you.

I hope that Enzo responds to this soon as I may be losing my faith in playing there.

Thanks Mercy, but I'm probably not one of the larger depositors there since I have only deposited somewhere in the neighborhood of $16K in the past year but still $16k I think is still a s**t load of money in most folks book, and I too have been one of the most fervent supporters of 3dice in the past but my attitude is changing daily due to everything I've seen, heard and recorded regarding my play and others there over the past several months...

 

[mercy]

Then let me retract my statement. How about a loyal depositor?

 

[LaurieJim]

this does need your attention now enzo, i think rob has waited long enough for his stats and as a loyal player and supporter of 3 dice in the past, rob isnt asking too much imo, it cant be that hard, can it? he has always defended and respected you and the casino in the past and now you and the casino should give him the same in return........................laurie

 

[jas2587]

Thanks Mercy, but I'm probably not one of the larger depositors there since I have only deposited somewhere in the neighborhood of $16K in the past year but still $16k I think is still a s**t load of money in most folks book, and I too have been one of the most fervent supporters of 3dice in the past but my attitude is changing daily due to everything I've seen, heard and recorded regarding my play and others there over the past several months...

ONLY 16K
Hell they was lucky to get $100
a month off my tight a$$ lol
but then their slots was tight a$$'s tooo

wow you 16K
Fluer 50K
hmmmm
an no telling how many others........

Cindy

 

[catrina m]

I said I would refrain from posting unless it helped the community of casinomeister land.

I know my logs.

Lose, lose, and lose some more until you stop depositing and go to ( not even bronze level) then you think about putting in a small one, but you know how fast it will go. ZIP! bye bye!

Did this help?

Can't wait to see what I get for my birthday

 

[babs7262]

Can I ask a question? This is something that I meant to ask earlier. If you want your stats why cant you get them in history and print them out? Or do you mean something different. All of my pages of deposits/gifts/loyalty/withdrawls are in there. Cant you just do it yourself , this way youll know nothing was cooked up too

 

[winbig]

Can I ask a question? This is something that I meant to ask earlier. If you want your stats why cant you get them in history and print them out? Or do you mean something different. All of my pages of deposits/gifts/loyalty/withdrawls are in there. Cant you just do it yourself , this way youll know nothing was cooked up too

They're talking about game stats, not banking..

I received stats for my Slots play many months ago, and from what I understand, the IT team has to manually get them for you. It took 2+ weeks to get them.

I never did receive my logs for Blackjack play.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

I want to also know how many others here have requested their game logs and never received them and if they did finally receive them how long did it take and why was there such a delay in getting them if like silcnlayc says they are on the up and up !!

This type of behavior does not seem to me to be worthy of an accredited casino confirmation IMO...

I got them, almost wished I had not!!!....One day!!

Don't give up (only the initial 12 days of emails, imagine thereafter as well as the other means of communication, LOLOL)

 

[RobWin]

They're talking about game stats, not banking..

I received stats for my Slots play many months ago, and from what I understand, the IT team has to manually get them for you. It took 2+ weeks to get them.

I never did receive my logs for Blackjack play.

Damn Win, I actually thought that you had received them...what the hell is going on here at 3Dice that you or I or anyone else cannot gain access to a simple spreadsheet of our play stats ?? Something does not quite sound right about all this...

 

[mercy]

I never did receive my logs for Blackjack play.

Really? That has been a long standing issue around here for awhile hasn't it?

 

[RobWin]

I got them, almost wished I had not!!!....One day!!

Don't give up (only the initial 12 days of emails, imagine thereafter as well as the other means of communication, LOLOL)

Thanks for posting here man, hope everything is cool if you know what I mean...

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Yep, asked a few times through the forum and through 3dice..nothing, nada, zilch...I asked about the blackjack decks...too..nothing there either..strange, you would think if they are on the up and up, they wouldn't mind telling how many decks etc..but there again, nothing for over a month now..ahh well...

I do not mind telling you at least as of December 2007 before I closed my account!!

Excerpt from the Audit Statement of Findings FINAL VERSION 5 or 6 or 7, not sure

 

[Fleur-De-Lis]

I want to also know how many others here have requested their game logs and never received them and if they did finally receive them how long did it take and why was there such a delay in getting them if like silcnlayc says they are on the up and up !!

This type of behavior does not seem to me to be worthy of an accredited casino confirmation IMO...

Really weird IMHO that you have to request at all your own play logs and stats, especially when in other popular and accredited casinos these are easily accessible for a player from his own account's interface. Requesting AND not getting the same is even worse, and not even being ackonolwedged is what adds insult to injury. I've been there, done that.

Looks like as soon as you ask inconvenient questions, that super-efficient super-friendly '3Dice Customer Service' goes AWOL and stops responding to emails... If you confront them in public though, they'd claim they never received those emails... sorry if I sound bitter, but I sure am - have every right to be

 

[Fleur-De-Lis]

Can't wait to see what I get for my birthday

$10 with 30X WR? Just kidding.

 

[Jasminebed]

Well, personally I have never encountered a problem with getting stats from 3Dice, but I have to ask for them, and take their word for it.

I'd love to have logs available to review my play...what was my max balance, how much did I spend on this game, when I took that phone call from my kid, what was that hit for 22.99? Not because I think the casino was cheating me, but to review my play and play patterns. Knowledge is power.

They have this info...support staff has always been very helpful providing it, but then again you are relying on their counting skills. If they have it available for staff, I see no reason it should not be available for the players. I don't need anything complex, like reel shots, just a simple KingKingWildScatterScatter kind of notation would be fine.

Enzo, if you are listening, players would like player logs.

 

[RobWin]

Really weird IMHO that you have to request at all your own play logs and stats, especially when in other popular and accredited casinos these are easily accessible for a player from his own account's interface. Requesting AND not getting the same is even worse, and not even being ackonolwedged is what adds insult to injury. I've been there, done that.

Looks like as soon as you ask inconvenient questions, that super-efficient super-friendly '3Dice Customer Service' goes AWOL and stops responding to emails... If you confront them in public though, they'd claim they never received those emails... sorry if I sound bitter, but I sure am - have every right to be

Exactly Fleur, it just simply does not make any sense at all to have these gaming logs hidden from the player, as you implied, you can go on to MG or Rival and see these stats whenever you want, so why all the cloak and dagger here at 3Dice as far as getting them and like Win said he asked for his blackjack logs back months ago and still has not received those...

 

[Jasminebed]

Why you should not post while drinking

I have to start by saying I really love my time at 3Dice. The give away a heck of a lot in free plays and VIP's tourney's, and it has to come from somewhere. This is okay with me... They can't give me lunch, or contest tickets, although they did add a local radio station to their totally cool radio.

Pure speculation on my part, but I suspect that their payback is in line with B&M's, and that is not comparable to other platforms online. And for us 3Dice bus patrons, we get a lot of fun while we lose. I definitivey think that anyone who plays 3Dice without playing the tournaments is shooting themselves in the foot.

And to have a casino that pays me without trouble when I win, even off a free chip(appropriate W/R attached), priceless.

 

[RobWin]

I have to start by saying I really love my time at 3Dice. The give away a heck of a lot in free plays and VIP's tourney's, and it has to come from somewhere. This is okay with me... They can't give me lunch, or contest tickets, although they did add a local radio station to their totally cool radio.

Pure speculation on my part, but I suspect that their payback is in line with B&M's, and that is not comparable to other platforms online. And for us 3Dice bus patrons, we get a lot of fun while we lose. I definitivey think that anyone who plays 3Dice without playing the tournaments is shooting themselves in the foot.

And to have a casino that pays me without trouble when I win, even off a free chip(appropriate W/R attached), priceless.

I agree with you Jasmine, you should not post while drinking,,,LOL

I will just kindly add to your list since you did compare them to B & M casinos...as they also do not offer:

Free airline tickets
Free concert tickets
Free rooms..full RF & B service
Limo service
Backstage passes...want me to go on...
Club entry without waiting in line
Celebrity events

I am sure Nash can add to my list here...but IMO they are not even close to being in the same ballpark as B & M casinos as far as my experience goes at Harrah's, Land based casinos are no where near as tight as 3Dice is as far as payback is concerned...even Babs posted great screenshots from her visit to AC recently where she won some real decent money and she is a low roller !!

I've been playing online now for 12 years, ever since Intercasino first came on the scene back in 1996 and I've never seen a casino with payback odds as high variance as 3Dice is and I've damn near played at all of them in that timeframe...

 

[Jasminebed]

Robwin, I live in Ontario the Good, where you cannot have free drink at a slot machine. Our national lottery pays back about 45%.

I'm willing to accept poor odds, I'm trained for it. But please, 3Dice, fess up and tell us what we are up against. And just make my play logs available, so I can make my own judgement.

 

[same_old]

Hi Everyone hope you are all doing well,

Rob my main man, If you want I cn forward who ever would like to see my play stats fro 3dice, I pm'd Enzo months ago for my stats and it took a good 2-3 weeks to get them, he said he was on holiday's and it took hm a while to get them to me.. They are very vague to say the least and looks to be a cut and paste of something, but it has how much ive put in, taken out and the percentage for each game, I can tell you all my BJ was at 96%.

 

[3Dice]

Hi Robwin,

I just pm-ed you your stats and am currently uploading your full logs of the past 10.000 games.

Everyone,

Please differentiate between asking for statistics and asking for logs when you come to live support. Statistics of the past month and all time can be given right away by our support staff - no wait involved at all. When you request logs, you need to take into account that those are heavy queries for the servers and they are scheduled to run in the background. (it are vast amounts of data and we cannot have these jobs impact the responsiveness of our servers.).

If anyone has any open requests that they like to see handled, send me a pm and I will make sure they all get taken care of ASAP.

Kindest regards,

Enzo

 

[RobWin]

I did finally hear from Enzo in a private message just awhile ago and he sent me the small sampling of the original stats for 10,000 plays that I first requested but since I looked over them it would not be quite fair to me or 3Dice or others here for me to post those results of the stats at this time since it is so small of a sampling...

That is why I have requested Enzo to forward to me my lifetime stats log file for the past year regarding my play there, approx. 176,000 plays according to Enzo, so I can do an accurate comparison match up of the stats that I have recorded myself into my excel spreadsheet over the past year and then I will come back here to this thread and let everyone know what my overall percentage return there is for the past year of play...and you will also be able to see if I have in fact received a fair game there...that should be more that fair to both myself and 3Dice and any other members here that are concerned as to whether or not they have received a fair game there...

Not that I am the final word on this by a long shot but at least you will see accurate stats from someone that has played a hell of a lot there during the past year !!

 

[chuchu59]

Not trying to take sides here but where the games especially slots are of high variance it is inevitable that there will be a sustained period of losses for the players. Being the humans we are we would dearly like to examine the logs and know just how much the variance bore on us. It is understandable that player logs may take time to retrieve but a simple acknowledgment and reply would have cooled down the player. It would also be helpful if the reply included a time-frame as to when the logs could be available.

 

[Trollet]

My 2 cents....again...LOL

Ok..i have been asking for my stats...after almost every single depo i made... and got them right away...no waiting....
And i do belive that if you go to live support you will all get them too.

Then when it comes to printing out every single game you played...well..i have no idea..but my guess is that its not something you do in a sec.

Anyway..i see no reason for them to try to delay or hide them...since they know we will hunt them down right here

((((HUGS))) Trollet

 

[Pinababy69]

Really weird IMHO that you have to request at all your own play logs and stats, especially when in other popular and accredited casinos these are easily accessible for a player from his own account's interface. Requesting AND not getting the same is even worse, and not even being ackonolwedged is what adds insult to injury. I've been there, done that.

Exactly Fleur, it just simply does not make any sense at all to have these gaming logs hidden from the player, as you implied, you can go on to MG or Rival and see these stats whenever you want, so why all the cloak and dagger here at 3Dice as far as getting them and like Win said he asked for his blackjack logs back months ago and still has not received those...

I don't think that having to request them is that big a hardship, although once that request is made, it should be acknowledged and complied with.

Comparing a small company like 3Dice, who run proprietary software.....with the likes of MG and RTG, is like comparing apples and oranges. Maybe it's something that could be looked at eventually, but keep in mind that we are talking about operations with VERY different resources and available manpower. Not making excuses at all, just stating fact.

It would be nice if that function were available, but I can live with it not being so. BUT.....again, logs should be available upon request, within a reasonable time frame.

Winbig and Silc, you should put in another request. And Enzo, maybe just acknowledging the request, and stating an approximate timeframe, would be helpful? JMO.

Edited to add: If I'd actually opened my eyes when I read, I would have realized that Chuchu pretty much already stated my opinion, lol. Sorry Chu, it's early...not much sleep and NO coffee yet.

 

[Zoozie]

That is why I have requested Enzo to forward to me my lifetime stats log file for the past year regarding my play there, approx. 176,000 plays according to Enzo, so I can do an accurate comparison match up of the stats that I have recorded myself into my excel spreadsheet over the past year and then

This is a decent sample size, so it will be interesting. However a rough estimate of expected EV can be given is you know houseegde and betsize.

If the 176K bets was 1$ bets on a 95% slot, then the expected loss would be 8.800$.

If it was 5$ bets on a 99.5% BJ game the expected loss would be 4.400$. (assuming perfect play.)

But what games and bet-sizes was it, RobWin?

 

[RobWin]

This is a decent sample size, so it will be interesting. However a rough estimate of expected EV can be given is you know houseegde and betsize.

If the 176K bets was 1$ bets on a 95% slot, then the expected loss would be 8.800$.

If it was 5$ bets on a 99.5% BJ game the expected loss would be 4.400$. (assuming perfect play.)

But what games and bet-sizes was it, RobWin?

I responded to you Zoozie in a private message...thanks

 

[Eliot Jacobson]

In my experience

Greetings. I am not here to take sides. Really, I am posting because I once again got a notice from CM saying:

"Hey Eliot Jacobson - it appears that you have not posted on our forum in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution, or just engage in a conversation with another member somewhere in Casinomeisterland?"

So --

I routinely audit online casinos on a monthly basis. A single (small) casino can generate well over a gigabyte of raw data in a month. For a year, you are talking about 10's of gigabytes of data. To filter this data for a single player ID would involve retrieving this data from long term storage (very slow via FTP), decompressing it (try unzipping a gigabyte file), filtering it for the given player ID (read millions of lines from CSV files and match the ID), outputting the data into files, combining the data from the various files for which there is a player ID match, filtering those for the given game (blackjack?), sorting them by time stamp, combining it all into a single report and delivering the report. This could easily take 8-10 hours for a single player's request. I wish it were easier, or that databases were more efficient, but if you think about the number of players, the number of rounds they play, and the duration of time they play over, it is a huge request.

I have no comment about 3-Dice's efforts or your request. I just wanted to add my 2 cents worth of practical experience, having done this a few times.

--Eliot

 

[RobWin]

Greetings. I am not here to take sides. Really, I am posting because I once again got a notice from CM saying:

"Hey Eliot Jacobson - it appears that you have not posted on our forum in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution, or just engage in a conversation with another member somewhere in Casinomeisterland?"

So --

I routinely audit online casinos on a monthly basis. A single (small) casino can generate well over a gigabyte of raw data in a month. For a year, you are talking about 10's of gigabytes of data. To filter this data for a single player ID would involve retrieving this data from long term storage (very slow via FTP), decompressing it (try unzipping a gigabyte file), filtering it for the given player ID (read millions of lines from CSV files and match the ID), outputting the data into files, combining the data from the various files for which there is a player ID match, filtering those for the given game (blackjack?), sorting them by time stamp, combining it all into a single report and delivering the report. This could easily take 8-10 hours for a single player's request. I wish it were easier, or that databases were more efficient, but if you think about the number of players, the number of rounds they play, and the duration of time they play over, it is a huge request.

I have no comment about 3-Dice's efforts or your request. I just wanted to add my 2 cents worth of practical experience, having done this a few times.

--Eliot

Thanks for responding here Eliot, are you talking about something totally different that what we can see as far as our game and play history is concerned when we go onto MG's Playcheck or to Rival's pages ??

 

[Eliot Jacobson]

Thanks for responding here Eliot, are you talking about something totally different that what we can see as far as our game and play history is concerned when we go onto MG's Playcheck or to Rival's pages ??

I am not familiar with MG or Rival's systems for player tracking.

Most companies that deal with astronomical amounts of data keep data available to the user over a sliding window. Online banking is a good example. Typically you can retrieve a statement or check images for the last few months by a simple request that is fulfilled immediately, but if you want something older than that you have to order it and it takes a few days. My experience is that online casinos have the same issues with data. They maintain a sliding window of data immediately available to the player, beyond that considerable effort may be needed.

Enzo may clarify this point as it pertains to 3-dice data storage.

 

[3Dice]

Hi Guys,

As Dr Jacobson already mentioned, there are indeed enormous amounts of data generated every day, and retrieving specific logs far back in time is a tedious and time consuming job.

We are currently assessing the feasibility of providing customer access to this information, although from the top of my head I would say that this will most likely be similar to mg's playcheck where a limited time-frame of data is available for direct review - and archived data will still need to be requested via the customer support.

I will keep everyone posted on the outcome of this and hope a short term implementation will turn out to be possible. In the mean time, customers can still request statistics (totals, percentages) from the live support and also detailed logs, although for those you should take a couple of days processing time into account.

Kindest Regards,

Enzo

 

[Jasminebed]

Player logs

3Dice has had the majority of my deposits over the last few months. I really do not question their integrity, but even folks with integrity can make mistakes. I have always found 3Dice support staff helpful with providing me with statistics when I request them, (NB. stats not logs).

But I don't want to be a "nuisance" and do not ask as often I would like to know. Sometimes just to analyse your own betting patterns and behaviours. Or for those who let the dog out to pee on autospin, and we hit a feature without seeing it.

Enzo and the rest of the gang and owners at 3Dice, you have this data. To provide it to your customers should not be that difficult.

Your casino is constantly improving, it would be really good to add this. Not as exciting as development as a new game, but equally important.

 

[catrina m]

But I don't want to be a "nuisance" and do not ask as often I would like to know.

Wanting to know where your money goes shouldn't be a "nuisance"

I will play at 3D again eventually, when I get enough ahead to be able to shrug off the loss.

I admit I am not a "vip" gambler or even a high roller but the " joe the plumber" gamblers should at least get the online equivalent of a free meal once in a while.

Every time I play at 3D i expect to lose my deposit. I do the same at all the casino's I play at, thus a win is a pleasant suprise. I have few surprises at enzo's.

 

[silcnlayc]

Enzo and the rest of the gang and owners at 3Dice, you have this data. To provide it to your customers should not be that difficult

I again repeat...aren't we as players getting a little over the top with these requests especially since the casino does not have to give them??

Try that at any B&M casino and they would laugh you out of the casino..IMO only..(Playing devils advocate here too) No slamming, or disrespect to anyone..it just seems that just because one casino gives you your limited stat info does not mean they all have to...

Especially since these casinos are non regulated and they do this out of the goodness of their hearts simply to pacify those that are obsessed with stats...again no disrespect...just seems like every other day someone demands something from a casino that is totally out of the realm of real casinos....if I am wrong, you all may slap my hand but I feel with allt hese demands on the casinos time to do this and that and I need this and I demand that, which is a non essential thing to many of us.. I feel this ties them up and keeps them from doing really important things such as processing our monies (withdrawals). Ok, ya'll can beat me now...

 

[winbig]

I again repeat...aren't we as players getting a little over the top with these requests especially since the casino does not have to give them??

No, they don't have to give them, but for a casino not to give them, in this day and age, would only mean that they have something to hide.

RTG seems to be the only software platform that WILL NOT give out this information, and we all know they have something to hide.

 

[Pinababy69]

Consider your hand slapped Silc...

Win is right. Any reputable casino will absolutely have access to play logs, and should be able to provide them to a player upon request. MG, which I guess we can consider pretty sophisticated software...has Playcheck, which stores your play for 21 days I think.

It's not a necessity that it be player accessible, but the casino should be able to access it, and provide copies, if the player requests it. Myself, I have never requested logs...but there are people who keep very close tabs on their play, and want access to this data. KK, Rob, Kimss, Zoozie....all come to mind, off the top of my head.

If a casino refuses, or cannot, provide this info...that is a huge red flag to me. I thank Dr. Jacobson for providing a more in depth explanation, and Enzo for clarifying the situation re: 3Dice. Jasmine is right....software development is important, but so is this stuff, mundane as it may seem.

 

[silcnlayc]

Consider your hand slapped Silc...

Will take it like a man,....::: ouch, ouch, OOO, dang::: (how SOME men react when smacked down)

But being a woman..I accept your smackdown gracefully...(xlrieiawnhj#2$%^&*^$%dlfkjg) ahem...

 

[winbig]

Will take it like a man,....::: ouch, ouch, OOO, dang::: (how SOME men react when smacked down)

But being a woman..I accept your smackdown gracefully...(xlrieiawnhj#2$%^&*^$%dlfkjg) ahem...

I'd take a smackdown from Pina any day.

 

[RobWin]

As I had previously said I would come back to this thread and post the results of my past years play (Oct.07-Oct.08) on the games at 3Dice after I had time to thoroughly analyze them and with the help of a couple others here (couple math brainiacs :notworthy) and a big help from my buddy Rusty I have now had time to compare 3Dices Stats to my own recorded stats and they were both in line with each other within 0.10%. There were games that had a low overall payback percentage but there were also several games that had way over 100% payback.

My overall average return % was 98.85% on all wagers made which is quite better than what I had originally assumed considering the last two months of play that was not good at all, so I can't complain at all with return percentages as good as the ones shown below and what was even more surprising was the percentage return on Keno of all games !!

So overall I am happy with 3Dice Casino and will continue to patronize this establishment and I am also pleased with this outcome and the honest stats I received from Enzo. Also thanks to Zoozie and a big thank you to Rusty for his help on compiling this data...:notworthy

[B]GAME		      WAGERED	       RETURN	       RETURN %		TYPE
Name		      Amount	       Amount	       Amount[/B]		

HappyValley		5501		4728		86		Slot
DoubleDice		483		417		86		Slot
SquirrelPike		8644		8184		95		Slot
TutanKhamon		10274		9902		96		Slot
SuperSuits		13974		12480		89		Slot
MedievalMoolah		33091		35887		[B][U]108[/U][/B]		Slot
FortuneFalls		26438		25466		96		Slot
Industria		2289		1957		86		Slot
Payola		        851	        679	        80		Slot
Superfive		2436		1766		72		Slot
_________	       _________       _________       ________       ________
SLOTS TOTALS		103981		101466		97.58		TOTALS

JokerWild (K+)		9525		8687		91		VP
SuperAces		16009		14690		92		VP
DDPoker		        8801		8307		94		VP
PowerHouse		1030		1007		98		VP
TriplePay		11692		10641		91		VP
SDBonus		        21550		20615		96		VP
TripleBonus		8302		8742		[B][U]105[/U][/B]		VP
DeucesDelux		464		395		85		VP
NevadaBPoker		1140		986		86		VP
SevensWild		4671		4915		[B][U]105[/U][/B]		VP
DoubleJackpot		8619		7807		91		VP
BonusDeluxe		5322		5023		95		VP
Bonus		        371		255		69		VP
LooseDeuces		3638		4270		[B][U]117[/U][/B]		VP
DoubleBonus		1073		1291		[B][U]120[/U][/B]		VP
DoubleDeuces		1246		1061		85		VP
LuckyNugget		3725		3440		92		VP
JokerWild(X2P)		357		188		52		VP
BDeucesWild		3393		3162		93		VP
KingsOrBetter		85		45		53		VP
DoubleBPlus		3414		3272		96		VP
HighFives		5667		10822		[B][U]191[/U][/B]		VP
MysteryBonus		182		127		70		VP
DeucesWild		409		343		84		VP
DoubleJoker		501		384		77		VP
OddysseyDeuces		1719		1912		[B][U]111[/U][/B]		VP
MultihandJW(K+)		132		123		93		VP
JacksOrBetter		156		131		84		VP
KingOTHouse		229		204		89		VP
Flushorama		48		23		47		VP
AcesAndJacks		430		345		80		VP
AllAmerican		1497		2425		[B][U]162[/U][/B]		VP
VPJackpot		587		531		90		VP
AcesAndEights		484		399		82		VP
SFlushBonus		151		161		[B][U]107[/U][/B]		VP
MultihandSDB		952		805		84		VP
TensOrBetter		20		10		50		VP
_________	       _________       _________       ________       ________
VP TOTALS		127591		127544		99.97		TOTALS

Other Games								
Sicbo		        4		0		0		Other
THoldemB		14		12		86		Other
Keno		        981		1152		[B][U]117[/U][/B]		Other
3CardPoker		170		43		25		Other
RedDog		        317		284		90		Other
AmerRoulette		29		55		[B][U]190[/U][/B]		Other
_________	       _________       _________       ________       ________

OTHER TOTALS		1515		1546		102		TOTALS
[B][COLOR="Red"]_________	       _________       _________       ________       ________
GRAND TOTAL		233087		230395		98.85[/COLOR][/B]

*Looking at my play profile, (Deposits vs Cashouts) I can see that on average I tend to cashout at about 20 times my starting bankroll eg. (start with $50 - cashout when I'm at about $1000). This means that on a long term average, I should expect 1 cashout in every 20 deposits which equates into almost break even play with a profit ever so often and if I take all of my comps into account that I have been given by 3Dice then the odds are definitely in my favor !!

Overall 3Dice Casino gets a 9.8 rating out of 10 from this player...

*Disclaimer* Please note that these are MY STATS and do not reflect on anyone elses play at 3Dice Casino other than my own, so with that said, wherever you choose to spend your gaming dollar, do it with your own play style and budget in mind !!

 

[Pinababy69]

Rob, coming from someone who I know had some doubts of late.....and who wasn't happy with their last two months of play, your post speaks volumes!!!

Thank you so much for going to the trouble of doing this, and thanks to the people who helped Rob put this together.

A couple of things do jump out at me, and that is that the slot returns are lower than I expected. If not for Medieval Moolah, your overall return would have been much lower.

The second thing is that the "other games" returns are higher than I would have expected. I think this just goes to prove that what our minds perceive (as we're playing) really can't be trusted, lol. Statistics don't lie.

The third thing is that there are no BJ stats? You don't play BJ Rob?

And the last thing is that.....I'm happy to see that the stats provided to you matched your own data within .10%. After the extended wait time it took for you to receive this info, I was worried that something may not match up. I'm very glad to see that all was in order.

And to my friend Silc (no hand slapping, lol)...this is exactly why, IMO, it is important for a reputable casino to be able to provide game logs upon request. It's not required, but a good casino with nothing to hide, shouldn't withhold this info from a player. That's just a personal opinion Silc. Like I said, no one is obligated...but it's how we help to separate the good from the bad.