1. By continuing to use the site, you agree to the use of cookies .This website or its third-party tools use cookies, which are necessary to its functioning and required to achieve the purposes illustrated in the cookie policy.Find out more.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Follow Casinomeister on Twitter | Facebook | YouTube | Casinomeister.us US Residents Click here! |  Svenska Svenska | 
Dismiss Notice
REGISTER NOW!! Why? Because you can't do diddly squat without having been registered!

At the moment you have limited access to view most discussions: you can't make contact with thousands of fellow players, affiliates, casino reps, and all sorts of other riff-raff.

Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join Casinomeister here!

3Dice BJ Stats

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by funeral979, Jun 14, 2010.

    Jun 14, 2010
  1. funeral979

    funeral979 Senior Member PABaccred

    Occupation:
    retail
    Location:
    Texas
    After having every session with 3Dice end miserably at their BJ table, I finally decided to ask for my lifetime BJ stats there. 1280 games with a payback % of 92.23. Is this enough hands for me to have cause for alarm?

    Most 3Dice threads discuss their slots and variance.....but does anyone here play their blackjack?....and have similar experiences?
     
  2. Jun 14, 2010
  3. kakata

    kakata Banned User - hyper flamming PABnonaccred PABnoaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    sales
    Location:
    miami fl



    ...ask Nashvegas...he might be the right guy...:cool::cool::cool:


    ...and Im getting tired too...3dice pleeeease..enzoooo???
     
  4. Jun 14, 2010
  5. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

    Occupation:
    chippy
    Location:
    uk
    hi yes thats around about what i had at some point though i did a little better at 104.7% then went back down to low 90s again , mind you there tournament blackjack is a total joke thankgod i wasnt playing black for real that time.
     
  6. Jun 14, 2010
  7. 3Dice

    3Dice I-Gaming Industry Representative

    Occupation:
    -
    Location:
    -
    Hi funeral,

    I've ran your numbers real quick. (You must register/login in order to see the link.).

    You played 1280 games, and in doing so lost 99.53 betting units. (your total loss is 99.53 times your average betsize.)

    So, with a standard deviation of 1.1418 (from the wiz - will verify in the office tomorrow.), and 1280 games played that works out as follows :

    on 1280 games, with 0.4% houseedge, that means 5.12 units in houseedge, and 94.41 units because of bad luck. The probability of 94.41 units bad luck on 1280 games :

    1SD = sqrt(1280)*1.1418 = 35.78
    2SD = 2 * 1SD = 71.56
    3SD = 3 * 1SD = 107.34

    so your loss of 94.41 units is approx 2.63 SD. A 2.63 SD on 1280 games means bad luck. Perfectly-normal-plain-vanilla-to-be-expected bad luck. (in fact this is really close to the sample the wiz uses at the bottom of that page to show what a normal bad luck session could look like)

    The chance for a session like this you calculate by finding the odds the normal distribution with an SD of 35.78 is bigger than 94.41. That works out to

    cumulative probability (X >= 94.41) for a normal distribution with SD 35.78 =
    0.005 or 1 in 200.

    Ok funeral sorry for all the maths, its there for those who wish to disagree - so they can respond with numbers.

    Now in layman's terms. This is normal bad luck - but still bad luck - don't know how well we've done on the comping department but I'll check to see what the options there are.

    Hope your luck turns soon !

    Kindest regards,

    Enzo.
     
  8. Jun 14, 2010
  9. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

    Occupation:
    Doing everyone else's job.
    Location:
    Canada
    I've never played blackjack for real at any online casino and have only ever played for fun at 3Dice. For fun I mean in tournament mode. I just played my umpteenth and last Blackjack game ever at any online casino. The very best that's possible is maybe the equivalent of 2 or 3 hands over my starting balance and then I lose 4 or 5 out of 7 hands until I finally give up with a couple hundred dollars left. I don't care about strategy and I know several people will pop up acting like this is anything like real cards. It is nothing like real cards. No strategy on this planet will help when I watch the cards that come up and plainly see, if I took the next card it would have busted me. And not taking it gave the dealer a higher hand. That is online blackjack in a nutshell and I'm sure it's the same no matter where you play. The longer I play the lower my balance gets and there is no such thing as coming back up. It's a simple game of lose 5 hands maybe win 2 and then lose 5 again.

    If you like blackjack go sit at a real table with real cards and forget pretending this online stuff is remotely similar. I couldn't count the amount of good runs I've had playing blackjack at a real table with a real dealer and I've never once ever had a good run against a computer. I'm not even sure if it's possible.
     
  10. Jun 14, 2010
  11. Cristian

    Cristian Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    gambling
    Location:
    Constanta
    BlackJack_Classic total bets 2380 *percentage € 98.31% with an average bet / 1.31 . Your average lowroller here . Well these are the numbers apparently , but to be honest i remember busting out 80% of times / blackjack sessions .
    its really hard to keep track of your own stats playing card games anyway . And no need to do that since my average bet is 1.31 right ? However i noticed their acredited software is lets say " bet sensitive " , when you bet higher . Yes im saying that trying to double up won`t work , not for me anyway . In most cases , the software will lag there for a sec , and will generate a impressive losing hand ( dealer gets 21 using 6 cards , that happens way too many times ) . And i think its a safe bet to say that im not the only one that noticed that .
    imho playing card games there is a complete joke ( waste of time and money ) . Enzo will prolly say that im just a frustrated player that doesnt like to lose , and will prolly thow some numbers in my face to contradict all this . The so called "playing by the book" , or "betting systems" are irrelevant , since you are playing on a software that uses mathematics . IF its preset to take , it will take , no matter what you do / how you bet . And the "luck" factor is also rubbish imo , knowing that your luck is beeing generated by the software itself that also determines the payback percentages based on a preset .

    I got to a point where i can actually "predict" that i will lose a hand that looks actually like a winning one . Magic happens and their algh generates a bad beat that makes things even more frustrating . Playing around you will see the pattern . Double on 11 = 13 , 14 - 80% times . Split = win one , lose one , or lose both in most cases . Hitting on 12 / 22 . And dealers is showing a 10/first card way too many times .Its obvious ... but thats just me right ? prolly i will get into trouble for making false accusations that their blackjack is somehow "rigged" . But i do love the "lagging" that occurs before dealer gets a magic hand :D . Tell me im not the only one that noticed that . The software stutters there for a sec , like its calculating how to kick my azz .
    Doesnt actually matter what u say , the numbers contradicts my theory right ? 98% RTP , numbers tell me that im somehow on the winning side . Funny thing ... really .
    Im not trying to start a riot here , just ignore my post if you do not agree with what i`ve said . Im pretty sure that there are some big card games winners @ 3dice , but i think its a safe bet to say that those are also the ones that lose alot . That beeing said , my advice is to stay away from card games @ 3dice , or keep playing but don`t expect to make a fortune , on the long run you will end up losing . A good player knows when to stop ( thats what i call skill , and basically thats all you have to know , its not rocket science to press : stand , hit ) .

    Take care
    One frustrated SOB :)
     
  12. Jun 14, 2010
  13. 3Dice

    3Dice I-Gaming Industry Representative

    Occupation:
    -
    Location:
    -
    Hi Cristian,

    ran yours to ..

    2380 games

    39.69 units lost.

    9.52 units to the house
    30.17 units to bad luck.


    sqrt(2380) = 48.78*1.1418 = 55.70

    so your result is 30.17/55.70 = 0.54 SD from the mean.

    the cumulative odds for that are ..

    P( X >= 30.17 ) for SD 55.70 = 0.29% .. or about 1 in 3.

    If you find 0.54 SD frustrating .. then I would strongly dis-advice against playing blackjack :rolleyes:

    Kindest regards,

    Enzo
     
  14. Jun 14, 2010
  15. joker05

    joker05 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Engr
    Location:
    California
    So bad luck.... ok, fine, we can't argue away bad luck as a contributing factor or even as the outright cause, however, since good luck virtually never shows up to the party, you have to wonder if the invitation ever went out.

    In other words, what is an acceptable percentage of bad luck? As a victim, to me, it seems unacceptably high, and i'd have to see some data to convince me that there isn't a flaw in the software that warrants a repair.

    Of course, it is entirely possible that I am increasing my own chances of losing by making bad decisions. I do not consider myself to be an expert blackjack player, but I have played enough blackjack to know that this isue is worth the keystrokes.
     
  16. Jun 15, 2010
  17. 3Dice

    3Dice I-Gaming Industry Representative

    Occupation:
    -
    Location:
    -
    How did you arrive to that conclusion ? The global payout of the 3Dice blackjack (real money mode, about 1M games) is now 99.9977%. (that is above expectations.).

    Our games and card distributions are independently verified by itech labs (check the bottom of our homepage), but unless winners come
    forth, it is (like always) difficult to get an overview off this from the players perspective.

    I've skimmed the winnerthread from some big bj winners that I remember by heart, but it takes some time to find anything in that thread :rolleyes: .. there's a screenshot from zman on page 1038 (45k+ in cashouts - all bj - why don't you ask him what he thinks of the 3Dice blackjack ..).

    2.63 SD, or 1 in 200 happens to 1 every 200 players. That means that at 3Dice this happens several times every week. It makes no sense to state that you think it is unacceptably high .. why do you think it is unacceptably high ?

    Remember guys, this is not about emotions - I can relate to being angry at the dealer if you lose.. really - I've been there. Being angry, and losing, its no fun and it will never be. But that is no indication that anything is wrong.

    Blackjack is a game that does not compare to for example slots. If you find yourself to emotionally involved with it, then it may just be a good idea to play a game you enjoy better. Perfect strategy aside, the choice aspect of blackjack causes a feeling of responsibility - if you lose a hand - you're always left with the 'what if I chose differently' feeling .. and that is something that is frustrating for many players. (hence the popularity of slots where that choice aspect is eliminated.).

    Always play the games you enjoy best :)

    Kindest Regards,

    Enzo
     
    1 person likes this.
  18. Jun 15, 2010
  19. funeral979

    funeral979 Senior Member PABaccred

    Occupation:
    retail
    Location:
    Texas
    Thanks for the reply. I guess my main concern/frustration is that my "perfectly normal" run of bad luck seems to have been spread across my entire lifetime blackjack history, not just a session or 2. At any rate, at least I understood about 50% of your maths:)

    I cant say that I have really noticed this at 3Dice (though I am still trying to familiarize myself with the intricacies of their software), but this is SPOT ON how Microgaming blackjack plays. I know alot of people will say its paranoia, but I have played hundreds of thousands of hands of MG bj to know better. Say what you want about "take down mode", but it happens...when you get that lag....and then the dealer starts pulling 20s and 21s every hand....may as well shut down the software for the day.
     
  20. Jun 15, 2010
  21. funeral979

    funeral979 Senior Member PABaccred

    Occupation:
    retail
    Location:
    Texas
  22. Jun 15, 2010
  23. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

    Occupation:
    Doing everyone else's job.
    Location:
    Canada
    Is there anyone that even likes playing Blackjack at 3Dice? Everyday I open 3dice and it's a blackjack tournament that nobody wants to even play. :rolleyes:
     
  24. Jun 15, 2010
  25. just play

    just play closed account

    Occupation:
    Director of Home Operations
    Location:
    USA
    I don't, but that's because I'm a slots girl. :D sometimes multi-hand video poker, but not so much lately, I haven't been doing well with VP. Did very well today with slots on a tourny win, then raised my bet, money gone. Oh well, try another day.

    Is it just me who doesn't feel right cashing out right away after a tourny win? (after playthrough met) Like I would feel bad if I did? But then if I did, I would have money to play with right now. :(

    Anyway....Blackjack is so boring to me. No pretty pictures, no free spins...flip dealer win, flip player win. Boring.
     
  26. Jun 16, 2010
  27. jod5413

    jod5413 Is That Better?

    Occupation:
    having a good time doing anything
    Location:
    somewhere on the planet
    I am confused. Why in the world should you feel guilty about cashing out money that stayed intact after playthrough? It is YOUR money, you gambled and won it. I see no reason to feel bad. Besides, I haven't heard any stories of Enzo or the gals starving! :p

    I am with you on BJ and other card games. I like my free spins, if lucky enough to get the damn things anymore, and I love the bells and whistles of slots.
     
    1 person likes this.
  28. Jun 16, 2010
  29. just play

    just play closed account

    Occupation:
    Director of Home Operations
    Location:
    USA
    Don't know, I'm screwy, haven't you heard? :D

    If I did cash out I would be playing right now and not posting here. :(

    Or if I hit something when I upped my bets. :(

    Screwy I tell ya.

    You haven't heard the stories of Enzo and the gals starving? Maybe I was confused. :p
     
  30. Jun 16, 2010
  31. nisosbar

    nisosbar Ueber Meister PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    Other
    Location:
    Right here
    I can't seem to ever win anything on 3Dice anymore. I recently asked for my stats on Stick Shifter, 30, 60 and 90 days (this is daily play, more or less), and was told it was 83% over 90 days. I'll dig up the chat.
     
  32. Jun 16, 2010
  33. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

    Occupation:
    Doing everyone else's job.
    Location:
    Canada
    Never feel bad about cashing out. I guarantee you the casino doesn't feel bad when you don't.
     
  34. Jun 16, 2010
  35. Cristian

    Cristian Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    gambling
    Location:
    Constanta
    Well real money play is real money play , but in tournaments it gets ever weirder

    You must register/login in order to see the link. The actual screenshot while playing blackjack tourney ( 2 minutes left , needed 1 win to take the lead )
    Dealer shows 6 , i split 2 8`s . First hand 11 / double = 13 . Second hand hit = 17 . Dealer hits = 17 . In case you missed it ... he actually gets another 6 .
    Not the first time this happens ...

    You must register/login in order to see the link. (another user )
    Can`t see it ? save the jpg and zoom in . After that hand i play 2 more hands and it kicks me out to lobby , i go back in Blackjack and same hand replays over and over again , and can`t do anything about it . Tourney ends . Add this up to the lagg before what i call " magic hands " in real money play and my 98% RTP . Enzo i will def. take your advice and play other games, but thing is the list gets narrower as i move along . I think im just gonna stick to chatgames ...

    Visual error ? server error ? oh wait .. my bad luck . Thats how i lost the tournament . Frustrating ? nooo no way .

    Just home made software if you ask me ...
     
  36. Jun 16, 2010
  37. just play

    just play closed account

    Occupation:
    Director of Home Operations
    Location:
    USA
    Yes, I know. I certainly would have if my cash got a little higher, I was thinking about it, but then thought, my damn thoughts. :D

    I guess it was a whole bunch of thoughts going through my little mind....cashout/play more/free money/bigger balance/would have put back in/greed/happy/mad/sad/Enzo and gals are starving (see what Jod started ;) )....etc....lol

    Gotta go watch Red Sox
     

Share This Page