32red/mg % payout..<slots>

Alexishot69

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Hi
id like some advice on this plzzzzz..since i started depositing at 32red ive won a grand total of zero which fair enough is fine by me as i do it for enjoyment ..however after 1000s of spins i was quite surprised to learn my exact % ..now what i wanna know is please what % should i be looking at for a fair game? and what % would you say after 1000s of spins is an unfair game? after i get a few replies ill copy the email i recieved ...alex x
 

Fleur-De-Lis

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Hi Alexis, I remember I emailed one MG casino (Ladbrokes, not 32Red) asking about my percentage and if they think it is within acceptable range... I wwas given figure of 84% and the response, as I remember it, was about the lines that it "all depends what games you play and at what bets, so any result is a normal result" ;)
 

Alexishot69

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Hiya fleur

Hi Alexis, I remember I emailed one MG casino (Ladbrokes, not 32Red) asking about my percentage and if they think it is within acceptable range... I wwas given figure of 84% and the response, as I remember it, was about the lines that it "all depends what games you play and at what bets, so any result is a normal result" ;)

All i will say atm fleur mines is much worse than 84% alwayus playing max lines on slots albeit for low stakes..eek:
 

KasinoKing

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Hi
id like some advice on this plzzzzz..since i started depositing at 32red ive won a grand total of zero which fair enough is fine by me as i do it for enjoyment ..however after 1000s of spins i was quite surprised to learn my exact % ..now what i wanna know is please what % should i be looking at for a fair game? and what % would you say after 1000s of spins is an unfair game? after i get a few replies ill copy the email i recieved ...alex x
It does depend to some extent on which game(s) you were playing and on your style of play. Over the long run most MG bonus video slots should return something in the 94 - 96% range, but by long term I mean 100,000's of spins. A couple of 1000 is just not a big enough sample.

Also, IMO you should not blame the casino; although not proved 100%, it is widely believed that individual casinos have absolutely no control over the MG software in terms of game performance.

I've had great runs on MG (WAY above average), and diabolical individual sessions of way below 50%. Overall I feel I am getting a fair game.
For example, so far this month at 32Red I have wagered $2,783 (all on slots) and I am $363 up.
Therefore my return right now is 113%. (1+(Gain/Wagered))x100
But by the end of the month my bank could be down to zero with a return of under 90% (very unlikely).

Last month, frankly I went totally berserk & blew my whole bank of $450 in just $2,090 of wagering; a return of 78.47%.

KK
 

Alexishot69

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update

Ill just update this thread before it goes into obscurity..the email i recieved back was saying this>> I have reviewed your account and can see that this month you are having a run of bad luck, your pay out percentage is just over 72%"

now forgive me if i am wrong but this is just what everyones been saying MG are getting tighter and tighter and with payouts over 1000s of spinns down over 20% less than what expected im gonna find it real hard to go near mg again....:mad:
 

patrina

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Hey Alexis, I actually just posted something similiar in another thread, but just email them and they will check your percentage and if it's real bad, they will, "more then likely" compensate you. Good Luck
Patrina
 

Alexishot69

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thnx

for the replies kk and patrina,fleur ..guess im more peed off with the fact if you deposit 100 and it all goes awol in a very very short space of time then ifeel robbed..i aint looking for that huge megabucks win cos i lowroll but at the very least just a few hours enjoyment not the constant take all as quick as poss that ive been getting of late..ahh wlel back t the drawin board roll on november:lolup:
 
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vinylweatherman

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I have noticed unusually poor performance at MG recently, and it looks "wrong" hand by hand, and spin by spin. The big losing streaks are there, and they always have been, but the big WINNING streaks seem to have gone away. It is now one nice hit, and suddenly everything goes into deep freeze. It makes it look more and more like that what we are playing is merely a representation of a predetermined result, rather than a card by card or reel by reel random determination. Card games seem to come in two distinct moods, either loads of low cards, or loads of high cards. High cards favour the player in most, if not all, games, whereas mostly low cards favour the dealer, even though the player can get some wins too. With Blackjack, this is obvious, but I have seen the 3 card poker do this too. Endless hands that have to be folded, with only the occasional hand that can even be played (Q,6,3 and above). I also seem to be unable to make straights or flushes with these low cards, and often the dealer is getting many high cards, so even the playable hands are lost.
Video poker seems just as streaky, low cards means nothing is held, and everything has to be discarded. Low pairs, however frequent, are worth nothing unless matched with either another pair, or another card.
Slots, just don't seem to be "dealt" so many scatters for the bonus rounds, and this also means far fewer retriggers during the fewer bonus rounds. Despite being random, this theme seems to have been consistent for 4 months and counting, so looks like a change, rather than natural variation.

Now we have Mega Moolah - THAT was changed, and there is NO WAY MG can ever hide the fact, since the change was so obvious because of the huge impact it had on the two lower jackpots. Did MG come clean - hell NO!!! At first they pretended nothing had happened at all, and "would investigate" (come on MG, we were not born yesterday - this may work when explaining the bad run on other games, but I think you shot yourselves in the foot by trotting out the same scripted denial with Mega Moolah).

MG have to realise that the unadvertised, and even denied, change to Mega Moolah has undermined trust. Certainly one thing is now a FACT - MG CAN CHANGE EXISTING GAMES, something that was denied in the past. Although it doesn't mean they HAVE changed games in the past, it shows that given a business case, they WILL change an existing game, and then DENY IT!!! This lack of up front honesty makes other protestations of innocence less credible, and each time MG get caught red-handed over a deception, this credibility falls further still.

Other blows to MG credibilty have been unmasked:-

OLD video slots - they have been shown to be WEIGHTED, yet MG have never said anything about this, and only indicate that we get a similar experience as in Las Vegas. Well, if these slots WERE in Vegas, the operators would be in Jail, as weighted VIDEO slots are not permitted.

Video Poker double game. Shown to be predetermined, yet presented as a choice where the player can influence the outcome. Nothing of the kind, the player wins or loses before they even see the up-card - exposed by buggy MG software (serves you right).

MPV Tournaments - see above

3 Reel BONUS Slots (two in particular) - MG introduced software bug (but how:confused:, these are VERY OLD GAMES, and surely DO NOT GET CHANGED;) ). The bug was, for once, in the PLAYER'S favour, and lead to a mass locking of accounts and confiscation of winnings. MG fixed this by pulling the games from the worst affected casinos immediately (I saw them, there one minute at Golden Tiger, then gone! - never to return - which is how I deduced what games were affected when the story broke).

Contrast this rapid action with the "rapid INACTION" over the bug with the MG bonus system where new cash becomes part bonus even after a player has ZEROED OUT (and should thus have WR removed). Perhaps the simple fact this bug favours the CASINO might explain the complete lack of urgency in finding a fix. This bug caused a recent issue, and the response of the rep was along the lines of "What bug?". How silly, the cover up was so good that even the casino's didn't know of it:D


The other softwares are just as bad, we can only base our trust on what we see and experience, and hear from others. There is NO real in depth independent analysis published, as it is all "commercially sensitive" - and consumers know that many companies use this catch-all as a reason to avoid fessing up to what consumers would regard as a "rip off".
Here in the UK, a couple of big companies even lied to the GOVERNMENT in order to fool the regulators into allowing "rip-off" price rises, and these companies are far more tightly regulated than casinos, yet still managed to get away with it for some while before they got caught because they were FORCED to reveal the information they were trying to keep hidden.

I am just waiting for the day when some heavyweight such as Panorama or Dispatches turns it's investigative resources onto the online casino industry, and this can't be far off now they can freely advertise here in the UK, making them of more "mainstream" interest.

Our "Channel 4" (or one of it's independent program producers) is widely believed to have been sniffing around the Fruit Machine industry, and making attempts to contact players "in the know" through some UK Fruit Machine forums, so my money is on "Dispatches" rather than "Panorama";)
 

steinhaug

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...a run of bad luck, your pay out percentage is just over 72%"

In my experience this will go for around 2K, then I hit a few big ones and same suck again!

Right now I am at around 75%, seems the "base" percentage on MG slots is around 75%, and the occational 100x winner will quickly bump you back to 95% if you get it! So you need the 100x winner, or you whiped out whatever you wager!

Now what to do to get that 100x win? Lose more! :D
 

Alexishot69

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and again

Becoming so repetitive this 32red/mg scene..deposit= lose only this time a few more spins without geting enough in front to stop and by "enough" i mean never more than less than 1/2 my deposit up and then bang complete dry run ..thats almost 200 in a few days ive played and nothing absolute zero..noone in there right mind can possibly defend this as being anything other than "sorted"..if this was a awp or club fruitie youd be almost guranteed to at least hit 1 decent win but it seems online these days its all take take take and quicker the better,,,u r right vwm its time this was looked into theres no way this can continue without some sort of investigation into what these companies are getting away with ..as for me and MG its goodnight and im steering clear for a good few weeks<minimum>...
 

zebedy

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Our "Channel 4" (or one of it's independent program producers) is widely believed to have been sniffing around the Fruit Machine industry, and making attempts to contact players "in the know" through some UK Fruit Machine forums, so my money is on "Dispatches" rather than "Panorama";)


that is one program i would like to see, if it ever happened, especially if thy could get some inside info on the online gaming world
 

wayram

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Have only had one cash out at 32 red since Feb but i still play there hoping that i can repeat , all MG casinos are the same at least at 32 red they have the casinomeister comp which helps and since i have been made a V I P at least i get some kind of bonus which is nice. The MG slots are very tight, i cant seem to build it up, i get to a figure then lose most then i build it up again.At least it keeps you going, i play for fun and entertainment if i win it is a bonus....
 

Alexishot69

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exactly

Have only had one cash out at 32 red since Feb but i still play there hoping that i can repeat , all MG casinos are the same at least at 32 red they have the casinomeister comp which helps and since i have been made a V I P at least i get some kind of bonus which is nice. The MG slots are very tight, i cant seem to build it up, i get to a figure then lose most then i build it up again.At least it keeps you going, i play for fun and entertainment if i win it is a bonus....

same as me except i would like to at least have that winning feeling even once but they are so tight these slots its nigh impossible to win a penny these days yet another 50 gone tonight without ever getting up.at least last cpl nights its allowed me to play a little but keeping me never too far up before bang take take take kicks in..thats me and 32red/mg over with cos i dont see any end to this be as well just playing a game and paying for the priviledge ...is anyone actually up on there atm id sure love to know..but gee as i said last night if these slots are paying what they say they should then someone forgot to tell them about my nice 72% pay....ahh well thats my rant for the night over and nomore slots till november now what i need to do is find a casino where you at least have a molescule of a chance to win at.any clues???:lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup:
 

aka23

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Hi
id like some advice on this plzzzzz..since i started depositing at 32red ive won a grand total of zero which fair enough is fine by me as i do it for enjoyment ..however after 1000s of spins i was quite surprised to learn my exact % ..now what i wanna know is please what % should i be looking at for a fair game? and what % would you say after 1000s of spins is an unfair game? after i get a few replies ill copy the email i recieved ...alex x
One could make a crude estimate based on the SD of the slots. However, a crude estimate isn't necessary, as slot reels are known and slot simulators exist. In the picture at https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/media/
, Zoozie made a payout histogram for 15,000 spin simulations on Thunderstruck. The lowest payout over 1000 simulations was ~58%. Elsewhere, he posted the lowest payout for many simulations with 600 spins was 42%. So, I'd expect the minimum payout ver many sims with 1000 spins to be somewhere between the two, probably 45-50%. The value would be higher for lower variance slots and bets (more lines per spin).
 
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