32Rant. This is a "I'm done with Microgaming rant."

[skiny]

It's been like that for a while now, I agree! MG has no play time in it at all, I've said to 32Red on many occasions that it would not be that bad if you actually got some playtime out of your deposit! But as they say, they don't control the play, they are just at the mercy of MG. Hitting the bonus is harder to hit on 32Red than it is to on Golden Lounge I have found. I have better sessions on there sister casino than the 32Red one and has been like that for timeee. I've been thinking of going back to use Playtech software because I know at least I will get a good session out of it compared to MG.

If you're hitting bonuses more often at one Microgaming casino than another, that's random chance. I honestly don't believe any Microgaming casino's software is different from anyone else's. When I started gambling online many years ago I played exclusively Microgaming because I could get the play time for my money. That just doesn't happen anymore.

Deposits shouldn't be consistently dwindling to zero at minimum bet in less than 10 minutes. If it's going to cost 100 to 150x your wager to get a bonus feature you're wasting your time when the bonus features are returning less than 10x your wager when you hit them.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I posted my thoughts on MG earlier in the year:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/32red-losing-streak.52049/

Since that post I did have a brief return to the software a few weeks ago at 32Red and nothing had changed for the better.

What's really stuck out like a sore thumb to me since I made that post back in August, is how predictable a software is when on a bonus.

Play with a straight deposit at MG casinos and you get destroyed, play with a bonus and it's happy days until you get into a position where you'd expect to make wagering, and BANG, everything does dead.

Now as anyone who watched my (now deceased) channel will know, I've played on a lot of softwares in the last few months, often with a bonus. Time and time again I'd get to a point where I'd 'call it', i.e. whether or not I expected to make wagering and how much I expected to make it with.

Every software except MG I can call pretty accurately, when I get a certain way along on a WR, given known quantities such as RTP and the variance of the slots I'm choosing, I got to the point where I could say reasonably reliably whether or not I'd make WR, and how much I'd have left. Sometimes I'd have a bit less, sometimes a bit more, sometimes a lot more - but I'd never be that far out.

MG was a whole different story, and it still is. Even on a really modest WR it's remarkable to the point of being almost embarrassingly blatant IMO, I took a 100% match on a £32 deposit at 32Red a few weeks ago, which had a trivial £960 WR. Got my balance up to nearly £200 with a chunk of wagering done, very much at the point where I'd 'call it' on any other software, what happened? A bust out on low variance slots of course, with most of the wagering done.

I've seen it so many times over the years it's just faintly ridiculous, so my brief foray back into the world of MG came to an end.

It's stupidly hard to make a withdrawal on MG, I'm not saying the software doesn't make RTP, but I stick by what I said back in August. It's streaky, it's pseudo-random and I suspect there's some sort of control in there, it's possible to win big but you need to hit big and hit quick (preferably on large stakes, low-rollers need not apply), otherwise you're toast.

All my opinion of course, YMMV

Personally I enjoy my gambling diet better when MG isn't a part of it.

 

[Balthazar]

Play with a straight deposit at MG casinos and you get destroyed, play with a bonus and it's happy days until you get into a position where you'd expect to make wagering, and BANG, everything does dead.

If there's a death switch, it must have been stuck in the "on" position on my account because I couldn't get anywhere near wagering requirement with my 4 straight bonuses.

I still believe it's random and I still think that 32Red is no different than other MG's. I do, however, have another "conspiracy theory" concerning what happened with me but I'll hold off until I can gather more data.

 

[skiny]

I don't think there are any conspiracies. I just think the software's tighter than a frog's ass.

 

[LaHutti]

Personally I've had conspiracy theories about just about every software out there.
I quit playing RTG and 3Dice, because things just didn't look right to me. They kept taking my deposits, and give them to someone else....and it was always the same people that they gave my money to...wtf ? and I was winning on MG, but rather than complaining about it, I simply stopped playing at 3Dice and RTG....
Now MG is rigged too...damn them...and especially 32Red...where I couldn't press the spin button in a wrong way all last year, I've been losing my shirt all THIS year... they're back to get me, and obviously did something to my account...and let someone else win this year...wtf ?!
Rival won't let me play there any more, and they tell me it's because I moved to Canada....yeah Right....it was the only software I was winning on, so obviously they don't like winners, and pulled the plug on me....
Playtech has always been rigged....I read that in a few posts on this forum a couple of years ago...or was it RTG ?...I'm sure it must have been RTG, cus afterall I experienced that myself...but then I started winning at Playtech, and MG pulled the plug.....wtf ??? While all of this is happening to MY accounts, I keep seeing winner screenshots in the screenie section ...so that's obviously where all my deposits are going...Well...I did put a few shots there myself, but not nearly enough...and I've lost money gambling...so SOMETHING is not right...And to top it off, I didn't even get a christmas present from 32Red this year, but I got one from 3Dice, where I'm not even playing any more...geez!


I wish they would all just either stay rigged to THEIR advantage OR to my advantage ...when they keep switching, I always end up losing in the end...and then someone dares tell me it's that variance thing.

Sarcasm intended....come on people!

 

[Nifty29]

I don't think there are any conspiracies. I just think the software's tighter than a frog's ass.

What is your definition of "tight"?

Are you saying that the published RTP monthly figures are all fabricated?

If I went as long without withdrawing as you do, I would probably be as upset as you. However, it doesn't happen like that for me most of the time, and yet we are both playing the same software and the same casino mostly.

I've touched on what I think the root causes of your situation are, but you would rather whine all the time and keep forging ahead...and that's your choice, but IMO it looks pretty silly when you rant about losing when there are things you could do to help yourself.

Mind you, I'm just defending yet another casino from the accredited list. I love seeing people lose, and never offer to share my experience or knowledge with anyone.

Instead of complaining in just about every post, why don't you listen to those around you who are genuinely wanting to help?

Changing software is a waste of time. You will encounter the same issues wherever you go, because the software is not the problem (based on what you've revealed about your play). The fact that you think there is no such thing as "play style" just reinforces.....oh what's the point.

I don't know why you just don't stop altogether. It's obviously not enjoyable any more.

 

[plasticnote]

do not blame 32red... it is the best online casino i know of...

MG does not like players too dedicated to 1 or 2 casinos these days.

 

[skiny]

What is your definition of "tight"?

Are you saying that the published RTP monthly figures are all fabricated?

If I went as long without withdrawing as you do, I would probably be as upset as you. However, it doesn't happen like that for me most of the time, and yet we are both playing the same software and the same casino mostly.

I've touched on what I think the root causes of your situation are, but you would rather whine all the time and keep forging ahead...and that's your choice, but IMO it looks pretty silly when you rant about losing when there are things you could do to help yourself.

Mind you, I'm just defending yet another casino from the accredited list. I love seeing people lose, and never offer to share my experience or knowledge with anyone.

Instead of complaining in just about every post, why don't you listen to those around you who are genuinely wanting to help?

Changing software is a waste of time. You will encounter the same issues wherever you go, because the software is not the problem (based on what you've revealed about your play). The fact that you think there is no such thing as "play style" just reinforces.....oh what's the point.

I don't know why you just don't stop altogether. It's obviously not enjoyable any more.

No, but your posts are.

I never said you love to see people lose but you do love defending every casino that's not in the rogue list and that's pretty old news.

Tight is consistently spinning 100x your wager, rarely winning your wager back and bonus features that finally come and pay back 10% of what you lost.

And I do experience this where ever I play but not 95% of the time. As for this "playing style," you can change the amount of lines you play and the amount of money you bet but other than that there's a spin button. Nothing more. Playing 9 cents or 90 cents returns the same percentage of your wager when you make a line so if I deposit 10 times as much and wager 10 times as much my balance is still going to be at zero 7 minutes later.

Unless you're saying changing my wager changes the outcome of the spins. That wouldn't exactly be random would it?

I have every right to come here and say I'm not happy with the amount of play time I get from my deposits and unless you're hiding behind me somewhere watching me spin, I'm not exactly sure where you can get the idea you can come around after me and tell me my opinion is wrong. If you want to pretend you started typing in this thread just to be helpful be my guest but I've seen you post in these kinds of threads a thousand times.

I know better.

 

[Balthazar]

MG does not like players too dedicated to 1 or 2 casinos these days.

What do you mean?

 

[dionysus]

I'm neither a math wizard nor a clever gambler, ie I don't really follow RTP nor choose games based on variance, just what I like. I play low (.25/.30 to .5/.6) unless I'm up and have more to spend and bump to maybe around the dollar range. I dep either 50 or $100 MCs, sometimes, I take bonuses, sometime I don't. I play slots bases on mood; new games, old games, AWPs, download, non-download.
Anyway, do I often win? Of course not. Am I either spectacularly lucky or unlucky? No. A deposit could last me 20 minutes or less on 50 bucks and I've st at the computer for up to 2 days on the same deposit. I only tend to WD if I'm over the $500 mark since I like the fun too.

My point?
I found the game to be RANDOM. I could play 5 deposits, lose, play a dep, win $500, cover my losses, play 5 more times, lose, play then win 1K etc. Really, no discernible pattern here, other than I lose more often than win (which is what we all know and should expect if we gamble). But I only play what I have to spend for entertainment expenses since we aren't really bar people, or night at movies people. If I ever get to the point where I play and can't afford it, play as a way to make money, or just don't enjoy it any more it's time to hang up my hat.

 

[KasinoKing]

General question to all...

... people who post "I don't get to withdraw often enough" (about ANY software);
Most of you say how much you deposit, but please could also include in your posts which games you play and what your actual cash-out target is?

Obviously the house edge is always against all of us, so the only time we can cash-out is when luck throws us a big bone. But even then, we will all go on to lose it all back unless we have a set cut-off point when we say "that's a good enough profit for me!" and hit the cash-out button.
The games also have an influence on what you are likely to experience: High variance usually = short playtime & vice versa.

Thanks in advance,
KK

 

[Nifty29]

No, but your posts are.

I never said you love to see people lose but you do love defending every casino that's not in the rogue list and that's pretty old news.

Tight is consistently spinning 100x your wager, rarely winning your wager back and bonus features that finally come and pay back 10% of what you lost.

And I do experience this where ever I play but not 95% of the time. As for this "playing style," you can change the amount of lines you play and the amount of money you bet but other than that there's a spin button. Nothing more. Playing 9 cents or 90 cents returns the same percentage of your wager when you make a line so if I deposit 10 times as much and wager 10 times as much my balance is still going to be at zero 7 minutes later.

Unless you're saying changing my wager changes the outcome of the spins. That wouldn't exactly be random would it?

I have every right to come here and say I'm not happy with the amount of play time I get from my deposits and unless you're hiding behind me somewhere watching me spin, I'm not exactly sure where you can get the idea you can come around after me and tell me my opinion is wrong. If you want to pretend you started typing in this thread just to be helpful be my guest but I've seen you post in these kinds of threads a thousand times.

I know better.

If I wasn't trying to help, I wouldn't bother mentioning the details of what I think is flawed about your opinion and how you could turn things around.

I have every right come around after anyone I like anytime I want and state that I don't agree with their opinions. I'm not exactly sure where you can get the idea that I can't.

Here's yet another thing you've got wrong.....the part about me always defending every casino on the accredited list. If you're going to make statements like this, you really need to check your facts (and why would I be defending 32Red...you aren't attacking them right? You only put their name in the title for fun). I don't play at some accredited casinos because I don't like them....you won't find me going out of my way to "defend" them

The problem that you and some others who have selective memory and other limitations, is that you only see what you want to see, and you "see" that I am "always" defending casinos. In fact, I support whichever party is in the right on each issue, and that party is the casino the majority of the time.

In regards to software and its fairness, all I read from you and some others is run of the mill sore loser diatribes. No scrap of anything approaching evidence or even reasonable argument.....just "the casino is rigged/not random/blah blah" based solely on the fact that you lost. Yet, you find it possible to rag on particular casinos who have stellar reputations, such as 32Red and 3Dice (although we know the real reason behind that crusade).

The common denominator amongst all serial whiners, such as yourself, is that they refuse to look at the aspects of their problem over which they DO have control and learn better methods and habits. It's also why they change to different software, and end up singing the same old tune because guess what.....it has happened all over again.

The problem will follow you wherever you go, because it isn't the software or the operator that's causing it.

 

[skiny]

If I wasn't trying to help, I wouldn't bother mentioning the details of what I think is flawed about your opinion and how you could turn things around.

I have every right come around after anyone I like anytime I want and state that I don't agree with their opinions. I'm not exactly sure where you can get the idea that I can't.

Here's yet another thing you've got wrong.....the part about me always defending every casino on the accredited list. If you're going to make statements like this, you really need to check your facts (and why would I be defending 32Red...you aren't attacking them right? You only put their name in the title for fun). I don't play at some accredited casinos because I don't like them....you won't find me going out of my way to "defend" them

The problem that you and some others who have selective memory and other limitations, is that you only see what you want to see, and you "see" that I am "always" defending casinos. In fact, I support whichever party is in the right on each issue, and that party is the casino the majority of the time.

In regards to software and its fairness, all I read from you and some others is run of the mill sore loser diatribes. No scrap of anything approaching evidence or even reasonable argument.....just "the casino is rigged/not random/blah blah" based solely on the fact that you lost. Yet, you find it possible to rag on particular casinos who have stellar reputations, such as 32Red and 3Dice (although we know the real reason behind that crusade).

The common denominator amongst all serial whiners, such as yourself, is that they refuse to look at the aspects of their problem over which they DO have control and learn better methods and habits. It's also why they change to different software, and end up singing the same old tune because guess what.....it has happened all over again.

The problem will follow you wherever you go, because it isn't the software or the operator that's causing it.

100% incorrect. You can tell me my facts are wrong. You can't tell me my own opinion about my own game play is wrong. If I don't like it or I'm not happy with it, that's final. There is no telling me different.

And you can quit this "you have no evidence" crap too. That's getting pretty old. I don't need evidence to say I don't like something or I'm not happy with something. If you tell me you ate out last night and had a crappy meal, I don't tell you to go away and bring me back some evidence. You're the only member of this entire forum I've ever seen ask for evidence when ever someone says they don't like their game play. Every single time someone says they're not happy with their game play or they think they're losing more often than they should you come back accusing them of calling the casino rigged. All it proves is you have a one track mind. The only person making accusations right now is you and they really mean nothing because you make them far too often to far too many people.

You call me a whiner? You do far more whining around here than anyone. The only difference is you try to disguise yours as a defense for the casino but you forget sometimes who you're talking to. I find it transparent and tiresome. Every time someone types anything negative about a casino or a brand of casino software that happens to be in your favour you get yourself all worked up and start accusing them of calling the casinos cheats and the software rigged. If you saved it for when it's true it might mean something but you don't so it doesn't.

 

[Nifty29]

100% incorrect. You can tell me my facts are wrong. You can't tell me my own opinion about my own game play is wrong. If I don't like it or I'm not happy with it, that's final. There is no telling me different.

And you can quit this "you have no evidence" crap too. That's getting pretty old. I don't need evidence to say I don't like something or I'm not happy with something. If you tell me you ate out last night and had a crappy meal, I don't tell you to go away and bring me back some evidence. You're the only member of this entire forum I've ever seen ask for evidence when ever someone says they don't like their game play. Every single time someone says they're not happy with their game play or they think they're losing more often than they should you come back accusing them of calling the casino rigged. All it proves is you have a one track mind. The only person making accusations right now is you and they really mean nothing because you make them far too often to far too many people.

You call me a whiner? You do far more whining around here than anyone. The only difference is you try to disguise yours as a defense for the casino but you forget sometimes who you're talking to. I find it transparent and tiresome. Every time someone types anything negative about a casino or a brand of casino software that happens to be in your favour you get yourself all worked up and start accusing them of calling the casinos cheats and the software rigged. If you saved it for when it's true it might mean something but you don't so it doesn't.

Yes......but you keep going back for that "crappy meal" don't you? Seems pretty silly to me.

I forgive you skiny. I obviously touched a nerve there, which tells me my logic is sound, so I'll forget that you're 100% wrong about what I write and why. I understand that your knowledge is limited.

You see, I know who I'm talking to skiny. You seem to have a need to keep saying that, along with "I've been around the block too" etc.....obviously you have some kind of insecurity about how much you know or your experience compared to others, which is baseless because I've never made such comparison.

It appears you think I'm treating you like a newb or something. Well I have to admit that a lot of this stuff you complain about is exactly what I'd expect from a newb, not someone who has "been around the block too".

Your whining is not about the meal....its about the "chef" and the "ingredients"....and as I said you keep going back for more "meals" from the same "restaurant". You're continually questioning the integrity of the "chef" (casino), which is different from saying "I don't like fish burgers" or whatever. The 3Dice roulette thread is a good example, with some personal "payback" thrown in for good measure for your ban.

You might notice I'm not the only one saying this stuff about your opinions.

Feel free to ignore any advice you get. I'm sure the casinos will be happy to keep taking your money.

If you really want to say whatever you like and not be subject to question, then start a blog. Otherwise, I'll keep posting where and when I see fit.

 

[Nifty29]

Actually skiny.

I'm sorry.

I shouldn't have said some of those things.

It's not something I should air in public as it derails the discussion. Plus, I actually enjoy many of your posts and I need to accept that we just don't agree on some things.

Anyway, it's Christmas.

Merry Christmas

 

[dionysus]

Happy Xmas (insert holiday of your choice here)..let's all win, and if we dont, lets have fun trying

 

[skiny]

Yes......but you keep going back for that "crappy meal" don't you? Seems pretty silly to me.

I forgive you skiny. I obviously touched a nerve there, which tells me my logic is sound, so I'll forget that you're 100% wrong about what I write and why. I understand that your knowledge is limited.

You see, I know who I'm talking to skiny. You seem to have a need to keep saying that, along with "I've been around the block too" etc.....obviously you have some kind of insecurity about how much you know or your experience compared to others, which is baseless because I've never made such comparison.

It appears you think I'm treating you like a newb or something. Well I have to admit that a lot of this stuff you complain about is exactly what I'd expect from a newb, not someone who has "been around the block too".

Your whining is not about the meal....its about the "chef" and the "ingredients"....and as I said you keep going back for more "meals" from the same "restaurant". You're continually questioning the integrity of the "chef" (casino), which is different from saying "I don't like fish burgers" or whatever. The 3Dice roulette thread is a good example, with some personal "payback" thrown in for good measure for your ban.

You might notice I'm not the only one saying this stuff about your opinions.

Feel free to ignore any advice you get. I'm sure the casinos will be happy to keep taking your money.

If you really want to say whatever you like and not be subject to question, then start a blog. Otherwise, I'll keep posting where and when I see fit.

You can spin this how ever you like but the fact is, I say I don't like my game play and you come around and say either I'm calling the casino a cheat or I simply don't know what I'm talking about. Whether I like my game play at any particular casino isn't open for debate. You can ramble all day long about restaurants and chefs if you like but what you can't do is tell me I'm wrong for not liking something. I don't like my game play and I don't care if you don't like me saying so.

And I don't know if you noticed but most people in these threads do agree with my opinion. If you think most don't then you need to look up the word "most" because I think you're defining it backwards. I don't really care if people agree with me or not. Some people in this thread have said they have the same experience as me and some have said they have the opposite. I haven't replied to any of them because it's THEIR experience. I wouldn't have the nerve to try to tell them they're wrong or lying about them.

And if you were really sorry you would have come back and edited out all the verbal abuse not left it there and then apologized because it's Christmas.

Christmas for me is just the one day out of the year Tim Hortons is closed. If anyone owes me an apology it's them.

 

[just play]

... people who post "I don't get to withdraw often enough" (about ANY software);
Most of you say how much you deposit, but please could also include in your posts which games you play and what your actual cash-out target is?

Obviously the house edge is always against all of us, so the only time we can cash-out is when luck throws us a big bone. But even then, we will all go on to lose it all back unless we have a set cut-off point when we say "that's a good enough profit for me!" and hit the cash-out button.
The games also have an influence on what you are likely to experience: High variance usually = short playtime & vice versa.

Thanks in advance,
KK

I think those questions will be different for USA players, some casinos we have to get up to $350 just to cashout.

When I had Quicktender I cashed out a lot, because I knew the money would be there the next morning, no waiting for it to process, no waiting for checks/wires/etc...back then my "good enough profit" is totally different now.

But I'll give it a shot

I deposit anywhere from $50-$100 a few times a week. Now here is where it gets tricky, at one casino I HAVE to make it to $350, another casino it's just $100. So, take away the first casino. If I deposit $50 and get my balance up to around $300 I will think about a cashout. But again, USA players don't have the luxury of receiving our funds the next day, or even hours like you all do. So sometimes I will say screw it and hope to get my balance higher. And to be extremely honest, I reverse a lot.

The games I normally play are...

t-rex
texan tycoon
tigers treasure
warlocks spell
sunkin treasure
paradise dreams

I am starting to like...

raindance
paydirt
some other one I can't think of...there is a weird symbol that has x2 on it in regular play

and I also play video poker 3 hands, sometimes 5cent, but mostly 1cent.

 

[Nifty29]

You can spin this how ever you like but the fact is, I say I don't like my game play and you come around and say either I'm calling the casino a cheat or I simply don't know what I'm talking about. Whether I like my game play at any particular casino isn't open for debate. You can ramble all day long about restaurants and chefs if you like but what you can't do is tell me I'm wrong for not liking something. I don't like my game play and I don't care if you don't like me saying so.

And I don't know if you noticed but most people in these threads do agree with my opinion. If you think most don't then you need to look up the word "most" because I think you're defining it backwards. I don't really care if people agree with me or not. Some people in this thread have said they have the same experience as me and some have said they have the opposite. I haven't replied to any of them because it's THEIR experience. I wouldn't have the nerve to try to tell them they're wrong or lying about them.

And if you were really sorry you would have come back and edited out all the verbal abuse not left it there and then apologized because it's Christmas.

Christmas for me is just the one day out of the year Tim Hortons is closed. If anyone owes me an apology it's them.

*****

 

[chuchu59]

Come on the 2 of you. It's Christmas so peace please. Do I need a new year resolution for the 2 of you to be able to tolerate each other?

 

[LaHutti]

Wow...I know boxing day is comming up, but what the heck happened to the christmas spirit ?
Shake hands now

 

[Nifty29]

Wow...I know boxing day is comming up, but what the heck happened to the christmas spirit ?
Shake hands now

I tried

 

[maxd]

@skiny , @Nifty29 : looks to me like you both are behaving rather appallingly. Attach Removed (Old not found) You both know that this bickersville stuff accomplishes absolutely nothing yet you're both having a good go at it, aren't you? Some Christmas cheer you're got going here!

If I could thread ban the two of you I would but that feature seems to have bought it somewhere along the line. Consider yourselves pee-pee slapped for being pissy little shits.

 

[chuchu59]

Wow...I know boxing day is comming up, but what the heck happened to the christmas spirit ?
Shake hands now

Dont even mention that otherwise they will start boxing in the ring lol.

 

[Nifty29]

@skiny , @Nifty29 : looks to me like you both are behaving rather appallingly. Attach Removed (Old not found) You both know that this bickersville stuff accomplishes absolutely nothing yet you're both having a good go at it, aren't you? Some Christmas cheer you're got going here!

If I could thread ban the two of you I would but that feature seems to have bought it somewhere along the line. Consider yourselves pee-pee slapped for being pissy little shits.

Sorry Max.

I did realise this and tried to apologize etc but alas.....

I'll keep to the topic going forward.

Seasons greetings BTW