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2020/21 premier league and any football elsewhere discussion

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There's been a hugely overexaggerated backlash by individuals who have a vested interest in keeping things as they are. I've seen the reaction on Sky today...do people really think this lot wouldn't be the first to scramble for broadcast rights if this was a done deal?

Gary Neville et al going on about greed. Greed is happening all over- big company bosses paying themselves 7 figure bonuses whilst the frontline staff get a pittance. Why's he only kicking off about it when it comes to football?
 
Mr_Slot5 said:
There's been a hugely overexaggerated backlash by individuals who have a vested interest in keeping things as they are. I've seen the reaction on Sky today...do people really think this lot wouldn't be the first to scramble for broadcast rights if this was a done deal?

Gary Neville et al going on about greed. Greed is happening all over- big company bosses paying themselves 7 figure bonuses whilst the frontline staff get a pittance. Why's he only kicking off about it when it comes to football?
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Are Salford not one of the big six lol
 
To be honest this super league talk is just greed and nothing more!

Not sure how it would work though and how they would qualify? Would it mean the top 3 teams from PL and CL get put into the SL or would it just be the top 6 teams in the PL only? Either way I think it is a very very bad idea.

It is already a struggle to fit all the games in each season with all the extra matches for cups and breaks for international duties. So adding yet more matches would just make it more of a headache for teams and organisers to sort the schedules out. What is more it will likely lead to yet more injuries and also lead to players being tired and not getting enough rest between games!
 
No surprise football is all about greed these days.

The wages say it all. Take Rashford as an example. Launch a campaign to give school meals to kids that need it. Fair enough. But sorry the guy earns £200,000 a week. If he is that concerned he could give £150.000 a week to the kids himself and still have more than the average annual salary to himself each week.

Fair enough if someone wants to pay you an obscene amount you are more than welcome to it. But do not sit there going on about poverty and expect people that can ill afford it to help others when you could easily help out a lot more than you do without even making a dent to your lifestyle.

The Euro Super League if it ever takes of will just be a revamp of the Champions League. It will simply be the Biggest teams in Europe take part every year making the rich clubs richer and forgetting the rest. The Champions League already went like that by adding 4 teams from biggest countries while making it near impossible for smaller countries to enter. The new League would just be biggest clubs taking part every year with no qualifying needed.
 
paul7388 said:
The Euro Super League if it ever takes of will just be a revamp of the Champions League. It will simply be the Biggest teams in Europe take part every year making the rich clubs richer and forgetting the rest. The Champions League already went like that by adding 4 teams from biggest countries while making it near impossible for smaller countries to enter. The new League would just be biggest clubs taking part every year with no qualifying needed.
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I think it could be entirely possible that this is just an attempt to put pressure on UEFA to revamp the CL. If so I suspect it may work.
 
Mr_Slot5 said:
I think it could be entirely possible that this is just an attempt to put pressure on UEFA to revamp the CL. I suspect it may work.
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Yeah it already worked when they changed the CL. Big Clubs wanted more money so they made it so the few biggest countries had several teams enter and other countries had little chance.

UEFA will again do what is needed to keep big countries happy and bring more money in. They can not take a chance that the teams will grow so big they would just go it alone and say sod UEFA.

People will say the teams need UEFA and can not go it alone but money talks. The biggest countries could break away if they so wished and start their own league. All about money these days.

But end of the day i am scottish we don't have a great league. Only really got one worthwhile team lol and a great day for them today.
 
Mr_Slot5 said:
There's been a hugely overexaggerated backlash by individuals who have a vested interest in keeping things as they are. I've seen the reaction on Sky today...do people really think this lot wouldn't be the first to scramble for broadcast rights if this was a done deal?

Gary Neville et al going on about greed. Greed is happening all over- big company bosses paying themselves 7 figure bonuses whilst the frontline staff get a pittance. Why's he only kicking off about it when it comes to football?
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Well football is his specialist subject, just listened to the clip Oscar posted and Mr Neville talked a lot of sense, yes Sky have a vested financial interest in scuppering any breakaway, but would probably scramble to buy the rights if it were a done deal.

I think Gary is simply a football traditionalist, and also seen a lot of money leave man utd, and replaced with a lot of debt due to the way the new owners purchased the club.
 
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Out of the English clubs how many are foreign owners? And looking to capitalise on the club they bought!money talks and most if not all see a return on their investment and to hell with fans and traditions they couldn’t care unless they are adding value (bastards)
 
from the bbc:

Bundesliga sides are opposed to the plans because the German model means commercial investors cannot have more than a 49% stake in clubs, so fans hold a majority of their own voting rights.

It is understood French Ligue 1 side Paris St-Germain are not part of the group either.

Uefa said it thanked "those clubs in other countries, especially the French and German clubs, who have refused to sign up" to the breakaway league.

However, world governing body Fifa has already said it would not recognise such a competition and any players involved in it would be denied the chance to play at a World Cup.

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It looks like a bit of a lopsided pony league to me, with 6 clubs out of 12 being english, where's the balance for a true european super league?
 
mack341 said:
from the bbc:

Bundesliga sides are opposed to the plans because the German model means commercial investors cannot have more than a 49% stake in clubs, so fans hold a majority of their own voting rights.

It is understood French Ligue 1 side Paris St-Germain are not part of the group either.

Uefa said it thanked "those clubs in other countries, especially the French and German clubs, who have refused to sign up" to the breakaway league.

However, world governing body Fifa has already said it would not recognise such a competition and any players involved in it would be denied the chance to play at a World Cup.

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It looks like a bit of a lopsided pony league to me, with 6 clubs out of 12 being english, where's the balance for a true european superleague?
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Looks to me like it's just to be an alternative to the CL. Looks like it's been done to shaft UEFA.

Instead of playing midweek CL games it'll be the ESL. Apparently it is not 'closed' either. There will be other routes of access based upon a team's achievements during the season.

Apparently Bayern have now said yes to joining too.
 
3.5bn for joining the super league...you can see why it was an attractive proposition. Pretty much compensates for COVID pandemic losses and more.

The thing is, UEFA, FIFA et al are all pretty much backed into a corner now. FIFA can say they will ban these players from the WC but if that's the case, we pretty much don't have a WC. They would be shooting themselves in the foot.

Too much money involved for this juggernaut to be stopped.
 
Mr_Slot5 said:
3.5bn for joining the super league...you can see why it was an attractive proposition. Pretty much compensates for COVID pandemic losses and more.

The thing is, UEFA, FIFA et al are all pretty much backed into a corner now. FIFA can say they will ban these players from the WC but if that's the case, we pretty much don't have a WC. They would be shooting themselves in the foot.
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UEFA or fifa ‘takes over the running of the super league’ if the bribes are big enough
 
Manchester United chairmen Joel glazer will be a vice chairman of the new super league.
what a fucking surprise their (not) they have made a hell a lot of money of Man U it just mustn’t be enough! At half time expect the World Series of baseball to be played ?‍♂️
 
mack341 said:
money talks but there could be a backlash from fans, I suppose the 6 english clubs will stop playing the league cup to free up some extra schedule. However I can't see them leaving the premier league but have this super league replace the CL, otherwise they'd surely be out of pocket, receiving only 1 tv rights rather than the two currently.
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Could just possibly be a play to uefa calling bluff how far do you go tho?
 
mack341 said:
money talks but there could be a backlash from fans, I suppose the 6 english clubs will stop playing the league cup to free up some extra schedule. However I can't see them leaving the premier league but have this super league replace the CL, otherwise they'd surely be out of pocket, receiving only 1 tv rights rather than the two currently.
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It's not in place of the PL. I've digested it a bit now and it seems to me that it is purely to cut UEFA out of the readies that are generated by the CL. From what I can gather, UEFA took a fair chunk?

Reading around, I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about. It's just a replacement CL
 
Mr_Slot5 said:
It's not in place of the PL. I've digested it a bit now and it seems to me that it is purely to cut UEFA out of the readies that are generated by the CL. From what I can gather, UEFA took a fair chunk?

Reading around, I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about. It's just a replacement CL
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It’s not a replacement it a direct competitor the super league and champions league would run together lol somehow
 
Mr_Slot5 said:
It's not in place of the PL. I've digested it a bit now and it seems to me that it is purely to cut UEFA out of the readies that are generated by the CL. From what I can gather, UEFA took a fair chunk?

Reading around, I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about. It's just a replacement CL
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wouldn't surprise me, I think they're based in switzerland and have enjoyed riding the football gravy train no doubt for years, receiving bribes and all that business over the world cup locations and voting. One thing rich owners are going to be when it comes to cutting out any excess middlemen is ruthless, they must see the present setup like a forced act of charity! :laugh:
 
mack341 said:
Another colossal payoff too no doubt, I don't know why he doesn't now just take the handbrake off his teams, he keeps trying to play dour, safe football, boring the fans senseless while losing at the same time.
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Millions each time it’s like he does it on purpose now play boring and shit get millions and the summer off
 
Mr_Slot5 said:
3.5bn for joining the super league...you can see why it was an attractive proposition. Pretty much compensates for COVID pandemic losses and more.

The thing is, UEFA, FIFA et al are all pretty much backed into a corner now. FIFA can say they will ban these players from the WC but if that's the case, we pretty much don't have a WC. They would be shooting themselves in the foot.

Too much money involved for this juggernaut to be stopped.
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If the Newcastle/ Saudi deal had gone through smoothly by now Newcastle would most likely be competing with the big boys. I bet that it was blocked to please the bigger clubs :(
 
Well United are just ran by greedy you know whats. We are heavily in debt already even when the Glaziers came in we was in debt then too and we continued to be in debt to this day. Yet they still take dividends out of the club every year too!

They do not even care about football, all they care about is money. That is why they never like spending money on Ole's first choices and we always get third or fourth or 5th choices.

I have been saying it for years The Glaziers NEED TO GO. This super league better not happen. I really hope something happens that stops it from happening. Maybe a lot of players will do a boycott?
 
WTF idea is this... As a Spurs supporter i know that we are quite demanding for chairman and coach and keep complaining for lack of CL-football every second season when we don't have approx but this wasn't what we ordered, some fcking self-made private "league" for few clubs...

Fckoff Levy and take that mourinho with ya, thank you.

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The Club can today announce that Jose Mourinho and his coaching staff Joao Sacramento, Nuno Santos, Carlos Lalin and Giovanni Cerra have been relieved of their duties.
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Some part of wishes came true, was nice to see ya guys but your football was horrible, nothing personal.
 
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1 -0 lfc vs new, salah

Anyone been watching the snooker, I use to watch it back in the day but drifted from following it in the hendry era, then last couple of years watching the odd match on tv again. There was a good match last night, mcgill knocked out ronnie, be less of a tournament now but he deserved to win. Mcgill is quite a fast player unlike mark selby who I find is one of the most painfully boring players to watch, has to pause and have a walk round the table on nearly every shot.
 
mack341 said:
1 -0 lfc vs new, salah

Anyone been watching the snooker, I use to watch it back in the day but drifted from following it in the hendry era, then last couple of years watching the odd match on tv again. There was a good match last night, mcgill knocked out ronnie, be less of a tournament now but he deserved to win. Mcgill is quite a fast player unlike mark selby who I find is one of the most painfully boring players to watch, has to pause and have a walk round the table on nearly every shot.
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It was a very poor start for the Toon but I think that they will make a good game of it. The risk of relegation has eased so they will play more freely-I hope :eek:

I have not really followed snooker much since Jimmy Whites hayday. "Get the cash"

Back in the day we would see them sink 12 pints and a packet of cigs in a session
 
geordiecolin said:
It was a very poor start for the Toon but I think that they will make a good game of it. The risk of relegation has eased so they will play more freely-I hope :eek:

I have not really followed snooker much since Jimmy Whites hayday. "Get the cash"

Back in the day we would see them sink 12 pints and a packet of cigs in a session
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wouldn't surprise me and steve bruce has had a bit of a hoodoo over lfc, must be his man utd background!
 
mack341 said:
wouldn't surprise me and steve bruce has had a bit of a hoodoo over lfc, must be his man utd background!
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Back in the 90's there where some classic games between Liverpool and Newcastle and we blew the title after dominating a game against Man U only to lose the game. But most Newcastle fans didn't care too much because we just loved having a great entertaining team :lolup:
 
geordiecolin said:
Back in the 90's there where some classic games between Liverpool and Newcastle and we blew the title after dominating a game against Man U only to lose the game. But most Newcastle fans didn't care too much because we just loved having a great entertaining team :lolup:
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was that the keegan team with ginola and ferdinand/shearer/asprilla, they were great, you had that belgium central def with the tash I think he scored against man utd in a big win.

funny how even though there is even more money in the game, newcastle can't attract that same level of quality player atm, the 90's and early 2000s was a bit of a heyday for good international players. saint maximin showed some flair last year, don't know if he's doing much this year.
 
mack341 said:
was that the keegan team with ginola and ferdinand/shearer/asprilla, they were great, you had that belgium central def with the tash I think he scored against man utd in a big win.

funny how even though there is even more money in the game, newcastle can't attract that same level of quality player atm, the 90's and early 2000s was a bit of a heyday for good international players. saint maximin showed some flair last year, don't know if he's doing much this year.
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Yes. Philip Albert was the Belgian. He was the most attacking defender that I can remember.
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not sure if those days will ever return, matches were far more exciting, I think I read that bobby robson could have signed ronaldo [the brazil one] or somebody of that calibre for NUFC before they were well known. [edit might have been zidane and keegan, imagine if they'd had zinedine and ginola together :eek2: ]


? 1-1 now, oh dear there goes our CL place next year it looks.
 
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mack341 said:
not sure if those days will ever return, matches were far more exciting, I think I read that bobby robson could have signed ronaldo [the brazil one] or somebody of that calibre for NUFC before they were well known. [edit might have been zidane and keegan, imagine if they'd had zinedine and ginola together :eek2: ]


? 1-1 now, oh dear there goes our CL place next year it looks.
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I think that the early goal put the Toon on the back foot too much. But I think that sees us safe :) I don't get why Liverpool have had such an inconsistent season given how good they where last year?
 
geordiecolin said:
I think that the early goal put the Toon on the back foot too much. But I think that sees us safe :) I don't get why Liverpool have had such an inconsistent season given how good they where last year?
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I think the lack of home fans has hit us and also trouble with the players like salah and mane, contract problems, and virgil getting injured. we signed wijnaldum from newcastle, but he doesn't seem to score as many goals now, probably because klopp plays him too deep. Not sure our brazillian goalkeeper is playing as well either this year
 
To be fair to Salah he has 29goals this season.

Mane has misfired and Firmino only 6 goals in 42. Cap that off with him not assisting as much meant the three boys they relied on for ALL their goals didn't get close to the total needed to keep that pace up. Jota was signed by Klopp with that in mind imo. But he then missed about 10 league games with injury at a crucial point.

Van Dijks loss was felt more with Matip getting hurt also. It meant Matip,VVD and Gomez were all missing at the same time. Creating two problems. No senior centre backs and Fabinho covering CB is a massive loss from midfield.

Carragher and Neville made the point fresh legs were needed because the game plan is long busting energy for 90 minutes every game. The fresh legs didn't work out because Henderson got injured so rotation wasnt really an option in the middle or up front with Jota injured. Shaqiri and Oxlade Chamberlain are just not good enough.

Couple all this with City finding great form so they pulled well clear. Man United and chelsea have both improved and then Leicster and west ham are having the season of their lives.

So overall it's down to a little bit of burnout in a season with crammed fixtures,mane/firmino not scoring enough and bad luck with injuries.



As for Newcastle. I hope they stay up for Steve Bruce's sake. Many from the media and fans also were looking for his head in the losing run they went on.
I think hes working miracles. All the back four are not good enough. The keeper is decent to be fair. Almiron isn't the worst.
But really it's all about Wilson and Saint Maximan. Those two are the only real creative outlet. In a club where. Ashley wont spend money but wants success those two players are pivotal.
You could see the losing run when they were unavailable. Look how different a side they are when both play!
 
Kenji85 said:
To be fair to Salah he has 29goals this season.

Mane has misfired and Firmino only 6 goals in 42. Cap that off with him not assisting as much meant the three boys they relied on for ALL their goals didn't get close to the total needed to keep that pace up. Jota was signed by Klopp with that in mind imo. But he then missed about 10 league games with injury at a crucial point.

Van Dijks loss was felt more with Matip getting hurt also. It meant Matip,VVD and Gomez were all missing at the same time. Creating two problems. No senior centre backs and Fabinho covering CB is a massive loss from midfield.

Carragher and Neville made the point fresh legs were needed because the game plan is long busting energy for 90 minutes every game. The fresh legs didn't work out because Henderson got injured so rotation wasnt really an option in the middle or up front with Jota injured. Shaqiri and Oxlade Chamberlain are just not good enough.

Couple all this with City finding great form so they pulled well clear. Man United and chelsea have both improved and then Leicster and west ham are having the season of their lives.

So overall it's down to a little bit of burnout in a season with crammed fixtures,mane/firmino not scoring enough and bad luck with injuries.



As for Newcastle. I hope they stay up for Steve Bruce's sake. Many from the media and fans also were looking for his head in the losing run they went on.
I think hes working miracles. All the back four are not good enough. The keeper is decent to be fair. Almiron isn't the worst.
But really it's all about Wilson and Saint Maximan. Those two are the only real creative outlet. In a club where. Ashley wont spend money but wants success those two players are pivotal.
You could see the losing run when they were unavailable. Look how different a side they are when both play!
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I agree that Bruce has done a good job under difficult circumstances and the players seem to be happy playing for him despite the fall out he had with Matt Richie.
Newcastle will always have an issue attracting the best players because it is not the bright lights of London and the weathers worse.

Liverpool where my second fave club since long before I had hair I could sit on and they had THE Supersub
 
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Have to say congrats to chelsea, quietly they've crept into the CL semis, you never know if they click they could be champions of europe. The european tactics probably suit Tuchel more than facing a big Sam side in the prem, and perhaps football fate he will come up against PSG in the final.
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wow chelsea made it to the final, 3-1 agg against real madrid is no mean feat, although not a big chelsea fan, after the way RM beat LFC in the final and the petulant arrogance they often show I'm pleased with this outcome. Don't think frank would have managed it so appointing Tuchel was a good decision, can they beat man city again though?
 
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