You discover an exploit- What do you do?

[bamberfishcake]

@dionysus ive sussed it!

We research all employees of said casino from cleaners to owners using companies house and social media, government census info etc to make sure we will not adversely effect our fellow mankind.

We skim a little off the top and start buying cash goods from local pet suppliers or online using bitcoin and buy toys and dens, maybe some of those crazy mouse maze things for your animal sanctuary.

Of course, we will save a little for my cars and girls

This is good for Yin and Yang and the balance of the universe not to mention your animal friends. Not so good for my cars and girls probably. All is well and balanced.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

It doesn’t take long for bookies in all countries to stop people betting if it’s deemed they are knowledgeable about horse racing or any other sport.

Accounts are quickly halted if anybody has the audacity to get ahead by using knowledge or getting knowledge from somebody else.

Ive been asked to leave numerous establishments in land based casinos/amusements for doing nothing wrong other than using my ability and knowledge on British AWP gaming machines.

It’s part and parcel of the business. Operators / casinos / bookies can’t have it all their own way, and they don’t.

If anybody either luckily or by experimenting through unusual tactics, or being able to figure out how the maths behind the game work manage to earn a few quid out of it then it’s fair game.

Comparisons to stealing from friends or robbing OAP’s of their pensions is completely different from using knowledge and brain power to defeat the odds. Whether it be by betting tactically on football or horses or figuring out a weakness in how either online random games are programmed or compensated AWP’s.

You just have to use the knowledge wisely.

This is often the undoing!!

 

[shadow123]

I would only exploit one company namely BTG,I sent them messages about a fault on White Rabbit missing
pays out prior to starting a feature when buying,no reponse whatsover even though the fault was eventually
fixed.I dont think even Daniel at VS could get any answers out of them.Was trying to help them to do a quiet fix
but not even a thank you so if I did find a advatage bug on one of the games, i certainly would not tell
them and would happily exploit it just for their ingnorance

 

[greylady]

I couldn't exploit the bug, irrelevant of how much I could win, I would inform the casino and/or provider, any kind of deceit just wouldn't sit right with me.

Everyone to their own and I do understand we all have a different moral compass but for me honesty will always prevail

 

[Gaz237]

I would only exploit one company namely BTG,I sent them messages about a fault on White Rabbit missing
pays out prior to starting a feature when buying,no reponse whatsover even though the fault was eventually
fixed.I dont think even Daniel at VS could get any answers out of them.Was trying to help them to do a quiet fix
but not even a thank you so if I did find a advatage bug on one of the games, i certainly would not tell
them and would happily exploit it just for their ingnorance

Slight flaw to your plan, You would be exploiting the Casino, not BTG

 

[pinnit2014]

Slight flaw to your plan, You would be exploiting the Casino, not BTG

Will need to wait until they set up their own casino, supplying only BTG games.

That's gotta be some cash cow right there.

Sign me and Snorky up!

 

[L&L-Jan]

For all those leaning towards exploiting the bug, one piece of advise:

DO NOT GET GREEDY!

We had this player that discovered a bug, and although we do weekly reconciliation (verify data in back-office with game provider and our own data) a few thousands of euro's won't be noticed as a big problem.

There was this game that you could predict a bit better when the feature would kick-in. And if you would just refresh the browser before the feature starts, the feature would pay out twice, three times or even four times.

So exploiting this in the first week for the value of 5000 euros wasn't spotted. But when the player in question deposited 2x 30 euros and all of a sudden had 300K on the account, you start the check properly.

This player could have most likely abused this bug for a long time, but greed ruined it for the player.

Personally - I would report this immediate to the game provider and the casino I'm playing at. given that I also represent the industry as a whole, it would pay off more to report a bug as to exploit it.

Kr. Jan

 

[neon claws]

Slight flaw to your plan, You would be exploiting the Casino, not BTG

This raises an interesting question; if a game provider is to blame does the casino seek compensation?

 

[spiker1977]

“Having money isn't everything, not having it is.”

If you have money its much easier to take the high moral ground and not to exploit the bug ..
but if you have hard to get food to the family and pay the bills .. .. then the moral compass is fck hard to.....

Like @L&L-Jan says: if you find a extra way(gray area) to get some cash don't be GREEDY.

 

[shadow123]

Slight flaw to your plan, You would be exploiting the Casino, not BTG

yeah but it would discredit BTG, the casino could seek recompense from them

 

[Kroffe]

Psss.... Spin a couple thousand spins each day on Doa, and the wildlines will start rolling in.
Dont tell Netent.

 

[pinnit2014]

yeah but it would discredit BTG, the casino could seek recompense from them

I think getting recompense from BTG would be as difficult as this

 

[lotusch]

...as Nicola's inbox reaches capacity

I know this one too, it is quite old actually..
Unfortunately to trigger the wheel is quite hard and thus the advantage mostly will be minimal or even not there..

To answer OP's question, I have reported a serious bug before at a casino I was playing and didn't even get a thank you..It could have costed them dearly but I am not the kind of person to make money like that..It eventually comes back at you..

 

[pinnit2014]

Psss.... Spin a couple thousand spins each day on Doa, and the wildlines will start rolling in.
Dont tell Netent.

pppsttt....you haven't said how many days...one/two/365?

 

[Kroffe]

pppsttt....you haven't said how many days...one/two/365?

All days.

 

[Kroffe]

pppsttt....you haven't said how many days...one/two/365?

Wanna know the best part?
Its not even considered an exploit or bug.
Playing Netent slots just counts as advantage play.

 

[Luckyscouser45]

I couldn't exploit the bug, irrelevant of how much I could win, I would inform the casino and/or provider, any kind of deceit just wouldn't sit right with me.

Everyone to their own and I do understand we all have a different moral compass but for me honesty will always prevail

Same, I believe in karma very much so

 

[Dinahnana]

I don't know what I would do if I discovered a bug in a game. Probably consider it to be a lucky situation on the first session but after that, I should think I would notice it as being a bug if it was being overly generous and report it to the casino. Having said that I would make sure the first session's winnings would be paid out first though.
I have never had the fortune/misfortune of discovering a bug that gave me money but plenty of the other kinds of bugs that make playing games not fun.

 

[Kroffe]

Its hard to say what i would do really.
Opportunity makes the thief as they say.
Maybe i am in dire need of money for some reason when i find the exploit.
Say i needed an extra €1000 for whatever reason. (most probably some super non-selfish and noble reason)
Maybe i would make sure i got that before i reported it.

In the end im pretty sure i would report it, but depending on mood, how the slots been going that month etc i might sneak myself a withdrawal before i report it.

Never trust a bear.

 

[Downsman]

As tempting as it might be, i would report it..i wouldn't feel happy about taking advantage
of the loophole, and as others have said, these things usually catch up with you eventually.

 

[greylady]

“Having money isn't everything, not having it is.”

If you have money its much easier to take the high moral ground and not to exploit the bug ..
but if you have hard to get food to the family and pay the bills .. .. then the moral compass is fck hard to.....

Like @L&L-Jan says: if you find a extra way(gray area) to get some cash don't be GREEDY.

I have been in that exact situation in the past, working full time to pay childcare costs and all my bills and I still couldn't bring myself to be dishonest knowingly.

I actually found a bag of cash (over £3000) in a street in Glasgow, handed it into the police, turned out to be the takings from a small shop for the day and I didn't get so much as a thank you but all I know I did what was right for me

 

[nutnut]

day i find a bug I will message dionysus everyday for the exact amount i take out at every casino just to wind him up.

also regarding mega moolah i guess the "bug" is when you trigger jackpot wheel you just wait and close the game for few days until it climbs to a high amount then play it out? makes sense actually.

 

[Halvor]

After many years playing and losing endlessly you discover an exploit in a certain very popular game which basically allows you to win as much as you like.

What do you do?
Notify the casino?
Hit up a reputable casino for a couple Grand a week?
Sign up to one of the worst casino groups and take them for all they've got?
Take just a little top up now and then?
Post about it on YouTube?
... As above with referral links?

I would check my account settings, just to make sure I've not turned into Bloatie.

 

[Borgie]

day i find a bug I will message dionysus everyday for the exact amount i take out at every casino just to wind him up.


Really.. ?

 

[goatwack]

I've missed the last couple of pages. Have we reached a consensus on who's right? And what are the scores?

 

[thr0b]

One of the less reputable Bingo groups many years ago had a slot which you could stop the reels on. (literally - “spin” would change to “stop”). Except in this case, the reels would stop on whatever was showing, rather than the “natural” outcome.

I got a surprising amount of scatters that day and ended up with a £2-3k withdrawal on a no-deposit bonus.

I assume they spotted it, as the game was withdrawn within days, but they paid out with no issues. Other than their rule at the time - max £500 per week or whatever it was.

 

[goatwack]

Jeepers. So one could stop the game at the point of whatever was being visually displayed on-screen at that moment?

Now that's a good game. Why does no one tell me these things

 

[thr0b]

And I should add - I’d probably not risk it these days. As @L&L-Jan may attest when I found an erroneous £10 cash bonus on one of my accounts - I waited for permission to keep it rather than risk a big payout being declined ;£

 

[thr0b]

Jeepers. So one could stop the game at the point of whatever was being visually displayed on-screen at that moment?

Now that's a good game. Why does no one tell me these things

Yep. Not one of the major providers - this game was unique to that network.

 

[pinnit2014]

Minor agreement to the consequentialist ethical theory. Casino rich; no harm done: small; that’s a no no.

If only Kant was about.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Seems like a lot of people would take the honest route.

However I’m aware of how the likes of blueprint, SG and other (land based) providers/manufacturers totally fuck people over.

Unfortunately the casual punters are hardly ever aware of it and are none the wiser. In some cases genuinely believing they have a fair chance of winning when in actual fact they have zero chance.

This obv benefits both the providers and where ever it might be that the games are located (online or land based) so I think it’s only fair that if somebody is smart enough to figure out a clue they’re quite entitled to reap the benefits.

 

[thr0b]

I’ll add as well - this was a big networked site which had around 100 brands or something at one point. Much diminished these days after multiple buyouts and the like.

 

[goatwack]

I suppose in this day and age there are two trains of thought. Casinos x y z effectively 'cheat' by reducing already-unwinnable slots' RTP further, to the point of what some might consider 'too greedy', past just needing to survive, but rather, skimming profits because they can.

Then there's developers hastily releasing anything to get a slice of the pie, and so in-game bugs are overlooked, maybe even knowing said game is unfinished but is set to make more money than lose, before exploit is found....

I'd like to think I know something was 'amiss' if playing a game that paid out in repeated sequences, though I've never been fortunate enough to discover such a eureka moment. Chances are I'd probably panic that the police are on their way, scarper away from my PC arms flailing wildly, before rocking myself to sleep in the corner of the room

 

[Kroffe]

Just do like The Bandit and chase Reel King tops.
All you need is an unlimited bankroll, and you cant lose.

If i have learned anything from him, its that raising stakes and chasing losses always works out in the end.
dont do that.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

But not always..........

 

[Jono777]

I have taken advantage of numerous exploits over the years, never got banned, always got paid and always slept soundly.

Pity they were all land based stuff and not once, since 2003 have I known anything online based and hence never even had an extra penny more than I was due

The land based stuff went on for months per 'skank' at a time, the moral was I was always discreet and never greedy, although at one point there were over 10 pint glasses on my bedroom window sill over flowing with £1 coins

 

[goatwack]

When frequenting arcades in my youth I'd always dream of circumventing the system by having a coin on a string that would give me countless credits.

Perhaps other rogues stumbled upon the same plan and actually pulled off this great heist. Bastards

 

[Jono777]

When frequenting arcades in my youth I'd always dream of circumventing the system by having a coin on a string that would give me countless credits.

Perhaps other rogues stumbled upon the same plan and actually pulled off this great heist. Bastards

Never had the balls to do that but did know a group of lads who did in our local.

As long as we didn't 'grass' they gave us the 20p tokens after each visit which was always a bonus

Then again grassing was the last thing on our mind as there were 3 of em, all over 6' tall and 15 stone a piece lol.

 

[goatwack]

Every arcade had its share of hoodlums. Cross them and it'd be less 'Horse's heads' & more 'Chinese Burn' and 'Cigarette marks on arms'

 

[thr0b]

Well, my ultimate scam was finding an Outrun cabinet in Cromer circa 1990 which had a coin box overflowing so much that for every 10p I put in, two more came straight out, and I still got a play credit as well.

Stuff like that is important when you’re 10.

 

[Guntis]

If I knew that there is a game that has a bug and I can take advantage of it, I would open an account (for example) in "the triple eight casino" and milk that big, fat cow slowly and lengthy. Their owner must have anyway more money than shit in the public toilet...

Taking advantage legally has nothing to do with stealing! Plus gambling is a dirty unwelcome business and no matter it is in a trusted, reputable or shit casino—their owners won't give 3 fucks if someone sleeps on the streets because of their loses. Mercy doesn't exist in gambling!

 

[goatwack]

Exploits are technically a grey area, because neither the developer nor gambler expected it to be there, nor can gamblers be held to account for 'using' the product put out before them.

But as the term would suggest, it's for advantage play, and throw money into the equation and suddenly it becomes an ethical issue. For the most part

 

[brianleeporter]

I have discovered lots of bugs/exploits over the years on slots, mostly with NetEnt games. Each time I have promptly contacted the casino to inform the provider as when you contact the provider directly they never respond!

One famous case (which I'm not allowed to talk about - long term members will know which game though!) had a bug where you could change the multiplier during the free spins. This meant from spin one you could enable a x5 multiplier without achieving the extra multipliers. Also, this game had a RTP error which meant many players received refunds at a later date.

Creature from the Black Lagoon (the flash version) had a bug where during free spins you could lose one free spin every time you pressed a button - of course this was a disadvantage to the player and I discovered it only by looking back over Bandicam footage to see why I was losing spins!

Mega Moolah (this exploit is still active today - Microgaming said it was not a exploit just advantage play) where you could change the outcome of the MINI and MINOR jackpots when triggering the jackpot wheel. Instead of getting paid £10 (MINI), I always get £30-90 and instead of £100 (MINOR) I get £150-£900. I have heard of a player getting circa £15000 instead of £100 this way.

The latest NetEnt release Piggy Riches Megaways is full of bugs - ones that crash the game and make me rant when playing autoplay!

Haha I remember everyone being eager to find out what the bug was!

Good times.

 

[Kroffe]

I know of an exploit on Book of dead from Playngo.
Or its more like advantage-play i guess. And as far as i know, most casinos allow it.

Load up the slot, and lower the coin value to 0.01.
10p per spin, right?
Now heres the trick.. Locate the area on the slot where it says how many lines you are playing.
Change that from 10 to 5.
Your 10p spins now only cost 5p.

Your welcome.

 

[neon claws]

So karma was brought up as a reason not to do this and I think that actually cuts both ways: what about the karma due the casino for regularly having ONE MONTH pending periods and the hundreds of thousands that has cost players? Or the outright crooked bonus system whereby they throw in 25 free spins on top of a $500 deposit, limiting the maximum withdrawal to $100 unbeknownst to the punter?
Surely there is a point where karmic retribution needs a helping hand?

 

[Kroffe]

Eye for an eye makes the world go blind. =)

Pending period and dodgy bonus-terms & practices is crap.
Its almost like an initiation into the casino-world getting screwed over by some site.
You learn quickly to read the T&C:s to check for dodgy terms etc when using bonus/freespins.
Shame really, but thats the way it is.

No need for us to stoop to their level.
And regarding pending periods, this may be a somewhat unpopular opinion, but i think if you somehow can control yourself and not spend the money when the numbers on the screen are on your internet-bank, you should be able to do the same when its at a casino.
No casino plays away winnings, its the players. I know it might feel good to blame the casino "oh they wanted me to wait a week" etc instead of one owns bad self-control.

Anyhooooo, we need eyes yo, so dont make the world go blind.

 

[Nate]

Honesty is the best policy.

I remember my neighbor once disappeared from home. I found him along the highway and promptly returned him to his wife.

He ranted that he actually had run away after being treated like the wife in the relationship or something to that effect

I wasn't having any of that.

His wife was very grateful to me. I see him in an apron from time to time ... he seems happy now.

Nate

 

[Kroffe]

Honesty is the best policy.

I remember my neighbor once disappeared from home. I found him along the highway and promptly returned him to his wife.

He ranted that he actually had run away after being treated like the wife in the relationship or something to that effect

I wasn't having any of that.

His wife was very grateful to me. I see him in an apron from time to time ... he seems happy now.

Nate

Im guessing your neighbors are of the older variety.
But it would be hilarious if he was like 25 or something.

Just going along the highway muttering "Wearing aprons,watering flowers&¤"/&¤/"" im supposed to be the man goddamnit.
And then you catching up and bringing him home against his will.

Ah, now that i typed it out, maybe it wasnt all that funny.
But only cowards use backspace, yolo!
I changed my mind again, it would be funny.

 

[Kroffe]

Honesty is the best policy.

I remember my neighbor once disappeared from home. I found him along the highway and promptly returned him to his wife.

He ranted that he actually had run away after being treated like the wife in the relationship or something to that effect

I wasn't having any of that.

His wife was very grateful to me. I see him in an apron from time to time ... he seems happy now.

Nate

When i was in 8th or 9th grade, i worked as a handyman/janitor at a facility that took care of people with alzheimers and people with dementia.
They had 3-4 old men that escaped a couple times per week.

They were not doing it on purpose. Mostly they would just go out for a walk if the weather was nice, and then kind of forget where they came from, where they where going and who they were.

I had a small tractor with a trailer that was used for collecting the trash all round the facility.
One of the old men kept asking me to ride back in the trailer.
He wanted me to drive him around, to the shop, park, etc.

I said, im sorry, but its very dirty back there, it would ruin your nice pants if you sat there.

Old Man - You think i care about these pants? I have several hundreds pair of pants.
I can take these off right now and throw them int he trash, and i wouldnt even think twice about it.

Me . Uh, Ok, but i really dont think im allowed to kidnap the people living here and drive away with them.
Im not even allowed to drive this thing on the road.

Old man - Coward, just say them i told you it was ok.

Me - Look, i need to be going now. We will have to talk about this later (always a good escape at that place)

Anyway, my last week there i talked to some of the nurses, and we cleaned the trailer so he could ride in it.
We went to the shop for snacks and then we sat in a park almost all afternoon.
Him telling all 3 stories he could remember from his youth, over and over, and me trying to fake being suprised at the events even tho it was the fifth time i heard it in an hour.

Good memory.

Edit: A bobcat is maybe the correct term for a small tractor-thingy.
And also i forgot to say good on you for bringing the man home to his wife, im sure she was worried. =)

 

[dionysus]

Edit: A bobcat is maybe the correct term for a small tractor-thingy.

also called UT'Vs if it's what I think youre explaining
maybe lol, you can always google - i think bobxat is just a brand name, like saying kleenex for tissue or biro for pen

my dad has dementia/alzheimers...sucks, but i hear ya on the stories