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William Hill withdrawal problem (willhill.com)

dwa36

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Hi I can't withdrawal £53 due to identification checks.

1.Photo ID
2.Utility Bill
3.Copy of debit card.

I can't provide photo id or utility bill(paperless billing).

William Hill won't release funds is there anyone I could contact to complain and try to get the ball rolling. Thanks
 
Hi I can't withdrawal £53 due to identification checks.

1.Photo ID
2.Utility Bill
3.Copy of debit card.

I can't provide photo id or utility bill(paperless billing).

William Hill won't release funds is there anyone I could contact to complain and try to get the ball rolling. Thanks


The short answer is "no".

Almost 90% of casinos will ask you for this. If you have paperless billing its easy to get that in jpg or pdf format. Google Easy PDF converter (this will allow you to create pdf files, convert any format to pdf or vice versa)

You can ask William Hill if they will take a copy of Birth Certificate etc and provide as much I.D as possible without the photo I.D and see what they say. I had to do this before I received my drivers license. (this was not at William Hill though)

Good Luck

Matt
 
Thanks for the help/reply Matt.

Bit of a joke company wanted photo id (birth certificate not enough). The live chat claimed it is an 'anti money laundering measure'. Which is funny as it is my first and only deposit of £10 there. It is a device to stop some people receiving cash-outs due to lack of ID/unwilling to give id away (i.e id theft reasons). I could theoretically walk in one of William Hill shops stick a £1000 in a fobt or on a horse no questions asked. Anyway i ain't go to bother and am going to highlight this on other forums so people don't get stung with higher deposits/cashouts. For me it should be illegal as:

1. they know i am over 18 (bank checks when new customer)(if i wasn't i and william hill would be breaking the law)
2. money laundering (doesn't apply) £10 deposit
3. am i using my debit card not someone else using mine (again sending proof of picture doesn't proof anything)
 
I have tried they won't back down from photo id which i can't supply. I googled william hill and there are lot of customers (probably now ex-customers) in the same boat. If id checks are that important they should do them when you register as a new customer not after depositing/winning. I am chalking this to a bad experience as end of the day I only lost £10. I have been online gambling for 15 years and this is the first time I have been asked to provide identification. It's a shame as the website is good just terrible customer service and for me asking for identification (when know my age, money laundering doesnt apply etc) isn't justified. I won't be using willhill online or their shops again as point of principle. Thanks for the replies wish you luck.
 
I have tried they won't back down from photo id which i can't supply. I googled william hill and there are lot of customers (probably now ex-customers) in the same boat. If id checks are that important they should do them when you register as a new customer not after depositing/winning. I am chalking this to a bad experience as end of the day I only lost £10. I have been online gambling for 15 years and this is the first time I have been asked to provide identification. It's a shame as the website is good just terrible customer service and for me asking for identification (when know my age, money laundering doesnt apply etc) isn't justified. I won't be using willhill online or their shops again as point of principle. Thanks for the replies wish you luck.

I dont know about the UK but we have photo IDs in Hong Kong. What type of ID do you have then?
 
They wanted either passport or driving licence which i don't have as photo ID. I hope other gambling sites don't start this trend or it will give them loopholes to stop paying out. If out of 100 customers which get checked say 5 customers can't prove id to their satisfaction then 5% of customers money various amounts doesn't get paid out. It is a con nothing to do with 'id security'.
 
They wanted either passport or driving licence which i don't have as photo ID. I hope other gambling sites don't start this trend or it will give them loopholes to stop paying out. If out of 100 customers which get checked say 5 customers can't prove id to their satisfaction then 5% of customers money various amounts doesn't get paid out. It is a con nothing to do with 'id security'.

As I stated earlier, 90% of casinos ask for photo I.D. Some wont but it is a select few and they will do checks in other ways.

If I was you I would ask each casino you are going to play at if they require a copy of photo I.D or if you can send in something else (satisfactory) before playing, otherwise you may just run into this problem again.

Cheers
Matt
 
I dont know about the UK but we have photo IDs in Hong Kong. What type of ID do you have then?
We don't have to have ANY ID in the UK.
My driving licence is still the "Old style" pink one which doesn't have a photo - still perfectly legal.
(We also do not have to carry our licences with us when we are driving).
The only thing I have with my photo on is my Passport - but of course, not everyone has one of those.

I agree with the OP that Will Hills are being totally unreasonable in his particular case, and actually NOT complying with their own T&Cs:
5.4 In certain circumstances we may have to contact You and ask You to provide further information to us directly in order to complete the Checks. For this purpose, we will be entitled, at our sole discretion, to require that You provide us with a notarised ID or any equivalent certified ID according to the applicable law of Your jurisdiction or otherwise, proof of address, utility bills, bank details, bank statements and bank references. Until such information has been supplied to our satisfaction we may prevent any activity to be undertaken by You in relation to the Account or we may, where we reasonably believe that deliberately incorrect information has been provided by You, keep any amount deposited on the Account following the closure of the Account by us.
As I said above, in the UK there is NO law which says you MUST have some form of photo ID - therefore Will Hills have no "right" to demand that UK players provide one.

KK
 
Yes, but they have said in their terms that from time to time they may request further proof, so this may be one of those cases. I personally have never had any issues with Will Hill in about 4 years and am suprised that they are being quite so stringent. I would strongly recommend that you speak to their customer support and request (politely) to speak to a manager due to the nature of your circumstances. I don't think you will get too far filing complaints or getting angry with them. Best of luck sorting it out.
 
We don't have to have ANY ID in the UK.
My driving licence is still the "Old style" pink one which doesn't have a photo - still perfectly legal.
(We also do not have to carry our licences with us when we are driving).
The only thing I have with my photo on is my Passport - but of course, not everyone has one of those.

I agree with the OP that Will Hills are being totally unreasonable in his particular case, and actually NOT complying with their own T&Cs:

As I said above, in the UK there is NO law which says you MUST have some form of photo ID - therefore Will Hills have no "right" to demand that UK players provide one.

KK

Actually, "certified" ID in my country means a copy of some kind of ID that has been stamped, signed and certified by a Justice of the Peace or Police Officer Sergeant or above, a doctor etc. You need to bring both original and copy for comparison. The service is free.

So, the OP should ask whether WH will compromise and accept such certification.

I don't agree that WH are breaking their own terms.

Experience also tells me that casinos only ask for notarization when there is a strong suspicion of some kind of fraud. In most cases it turns out to be exactly that, but there has been the odd occasion where alarms have been set off incorrectly and the player is eventually clear.

If WH won't budge, and nothing says they have to, then it comes down to how badly the OP wants his cash. If it were me, I would send the ID via secure international courier and get paid. If it cost me, then so be it....better than getting nothing. The only reason I could see that the OP wouldn't want to do this is......well it would be obvious.
 
We don't have to have ANY ID in the UK.
My driving licence is still the "Old style" pink one which doesn't have a photo - still perfectly legal.
(We also do not have to carry our licences with us when we are driving).
The only thing I have with my photo on is my Passport - but of course, not everyone has one of those.

I agree with the OP that Will Hills are being totally unreasonable in his particular case, and actually NOT complying with their own T&Cs:

As I said above, in the UK there is NO law which says you MUST have some form of photo ID - therefore Will Hills have no "right" to demand that UK players provide one.

KK

If the docs required by WH are not 'compulsory' in the UK then IMO the requests are not entirely reasonable.
 
Bit of a joke company wanted photo id (birth certificate not enough). The live chat claimed it is an 'anti money laundering measure'. Which is funny as it is my first and only deposit of £10 there. It is a device to stop some people receiving cash-outs due to lack of ID/unwilling to give id away (i.e id theft reasons).

Anti money laundering measure is the generic spiel that a lot of casinos put out, it could be for a large number of reasons, all in my opinion are fair if not over used. This ranges from an automatic fraud flag being on your account due to your play patterns, all the way to money laundering as they've mentioned or suspicion of charge backs.

From my experience working online, casinos hate requesting these documents, they want to process your payout as soon as possible and make it a leisurely experience so you'll be happy coming back next week. Most of these are requirements for them from fraud teams or payment processors, they just have to pass them to you.

Sorry for sticking up for the casino, it may be used unfairly, however not in my case yet :)
 
You can withdraw money from a willhill shop if you use quickcash at the shop. Basically go to willhill shop deposit for e.g 20 get ticket. Enter code online, play and withdraw with a transaction code. Then go back to shop to get money. But as I deposited using debit card online I can't do a quick-cash as only available via deposit in shop. I have decided to leave the money as it too much hassle to do the documents and as said I can't provide photo ID which is the sticking point. But what upsets me is in the Uk the ad campaign makes it so easy to play,withdraw but come to reality they are reluctant to pay without having silly 'id checks'. I still stick with my point it is done to improve profits as what can a player do when they stick their feet in and not pay. I belong to various casino sites 32red,skybet among others never had this before so if there ok with me why william hill. From looking on google this 'id check' is not uncommon with william hill and from a PR view they rarely get the customer back even if they get paid afterwards from an 'id check'. The checks which other sites do are adequate even opening a bank account in the UK has less id checks then these bookies.
 
You can withdraw money from a willhill shop if you use quickcash at the shop. Basically go to willhill shop deposit for e.g 20 get ticket. Enter code online, play and withdraw with a transaction code. Then go back to shop to get money. But as I deposited using debit card online I can't do a quick-cash as only available via deposit in shop. I have decided to leave the money as it too much hassle to do the documents and as said I can't provide photo ID which is the sticking point. But what upsets me is in the Uk the ad campaign makes it so easy to play,withdraw but come to reality they are reluctant to pay without having silly 'id checks'. I still stick with my point it is done to improve profits as what can a player do when they stick their feet in and not pay. I belong to various casino sites 32red,skybet among others never had this before so if there ok with me why william hill. From looking on google this 'id check' is not uncommon with william hill and from a PR view they rarely get the customer back even if they get paid afterwards from an 'id check'. The checks which other sites do are adequate even opening a bank account in the UK has less id checks then these bookies.

Since they advertise on UK media, complain to the ASA and tranding standards that they are not administering the withdrawal process fairly with regard to UK players and the forms of ID that are in general use within the UK. Notarised documents are what are used to obtain a photo ID, so there should be no problem in substituting these instead. For £10, this is taking the piss, as ALL means to upgrade to photo ID cost far more than it is worth.

As the withdrawal is back to the same card, there is no danger whatsoever of "money laundering".

Now, what if you deposited another £10 through a shop. Surely then you could withdraw from the same shop.

They are not even obeying their own terms, as in this circumstance they should ask you for notarised alternatives. Other that passports and driving licenses, there is nothing else issued by central government that bears the holder's photo. All the alternatives are issued by local government and private companies, and are used to verify season tickets are being used correctly, and for young people, various "pass" card schemes are used to allow the purchase of age restricted goods.

Since the law does not require all old driving licenses to be upgraded to the photo form, it is only done when a license has to be renewed, for example a change of address, addition of new category, or addition of points.

Given that they have shops, they can notarise you and your documents in person, which would make the whole process both much easier and much more secure for UK players.

For £10, it isn't worth taking formal action, but it IS worth it to make a fuss to trading standards and the ASA over the way they have NOT considered the local rules in the UK when designing the verification process, yet specifically advertise for UK players who can never be paid should they win, yet have everything required by law in terms of "ID papers".

One possible cause for this is a mistake in the data on your credit file, which is used to electronically verify UK players without the need to ask for documents. The fact that they are making such a big deal over £10 going back to the same card suggests that when they did an ID check with a credit reference agency, a SERIOUS concern arose that made them pretty certain that something was seriously wrong.
 
Actually, "certified" ID in my country means a copy of some kind of ID that has been stamped, signed and certified by a Justice of the Peace or Police Officer Sergeant or above, a doctor etc. You need to bring both original and copy for comparison. The service is free.

So, the OP should ask whether WH will compromise and accept such certification.

I don't agree that WH are breaking their own terms.

Experience also tells me that casinos only ask for notarization when there is a strong suspicion of some kind of fraud. In most cases it turns out to be exactly that, but there has been the odd occasion where alarms have been set off incorrectly and the player is eventually clear.

If WH won't budge, and nothing says they have to, then it comes down to how badly the OP wants his cash. If it were me, I would send the ID via secure international courier and get paid. If it cost me, then so be it....better than getting nothing. The only reason I could see that the OP wouldn't want to do this is......well it would be obvious.

Principle ?
I can fully understand op, as it is a ridicolous request from this casino, over 50 bucks, paid back to the same card he deposited from.
This has absolutely nothing to do with "security", but they chose to do it, just because they can.
 
I don't know what concern on my credit file would be I have had no problems with casinos, online betting or anything else which would involve checking credit history. I deposited £10 played roulette/blackjack and cashed out with £53 pounds. I could understand security measures if I deposited £1000 and cashed out £1500. I still believe it is done to take some money away as I am in a stalemate with them and am relieved I only deposited £10 and not had a bad run as I could have deposited upto £300 that evening. If a online casino wants strict security measures they should be placed when signing up as a new player before depositing. One lesson learned is it has put me off signing with any new casinos just in case the same thing arises and stay with the ones I have had an account with in the last 10 years or more. The reason i signed with WH was the low stake roulette/blackjack and as said earlier the website is very good. But customer service has to be sorted or WillHill could do damage from online to its high street business. For me I wont set foot in their shops and stick to the other high street bookmakers.

One last thing if casinos get away with this then other casinos could do the same especially as spare money for online gambling is sparse for the general public and takings at its lowest in the last 10 years or so.
 
I don't know what concern on my credit file would be I have had no problems with casinos, online betting or anything else which would involve checking credit history. I deposited £10 played roulette/blackjack and cashed out with £53 pounds. I could understand security measures if I deposited £1000 and cashed out £1500. I still believe it is done to take some money away as I am in a stalemate with them and am relieved I only deposited £10 and not had a bad run as I could have deposited upto £300 that evening. If a online casino wants strict security measures they should be placed when signing up as a new player before depositing. One lesson learned is it has put me off signing with any new casinos just in case the same thing arises and stay with the ones I have had an account with in the last 10 years or more. The reason i signed with WH was the low stake roulette/blackjack and as said earlier the website is very good. But customer service has to be sorted or WillHill could do damage from online to its high street business. For me I wont set foot in their shops and stick to the other high street bookmakers.

One last thing if casinos get away with this then other casinos could do the same especially as spare money for online gambling is sparse for the general public and takings at its lowest in the last 10 years or so.

They have been doing this for years. If you have reached stalemate, Trading Standards can help by intervening. I had a problem with a magazine company that had offered a "free trial". The company ignored THREE formal letters of cancellation and just kept sending bills and threats of debt recovery action. No sooner did they hear from Trading Standards, they suddenly learned to read letters:rolleyes: Since there is a link with the high street shops, and part of the stalemate is that you can't withdraw from the shops, you should make a complaint to Trading Standards and ask if they could break the stalemate between yourself and the company. I doubt William Hill will risk a black mark against them with Trading Standards over fifty quid, and it may bring this problem that affects many UK players into the spotlight.

The lack of "mainstream" complaints has meant that these problems have been kept away from government and consumer bodies, and for a long while online gambling was seen as a niche hobby. Now that it has become truly mainstream in the UK, with TV ads and program sponsorships, it has reached a mainstream audience. Some problems have already come to the attention of the government, which is why the current whitelist arrangement is about to be replaced by secondary licensing. One argument was that it was felt that the whitelist arrangement was failing to protect UK consumers because many of the jurisdictions used were either unwilling or incapable of dealing fairly with consumer complaints in accordance with the levels of protection under UK law.

No UK based company would ever get away with demanding that a non-driving customer produce a document that does not exist in this country in order to obtain what is rightly theirs. It would be treated as a scam, and the company could face a ban on trading unless they changed their procedure.

In the UK, being unable to drive can have serious consequences if playing online, since the driving license is the ONLY document that contains the exact requirements laid out in this case. The passport is the only other document that contains a photo, but being more secure, it holds the minimum of "clear text" information on the photo page, as most of it is encoded and accessed via databases at border crossing points.

The stalemate is nothing more than a cloaked determination not to pay from the outset because of something they have already discovered from their checks. Rather than say this, they have knowingly given you an instruction that is impossible to comply with unless you take one of those 1 week crash courses to pass your driving test and get a license. This would cost you far more than £50, and it would still take some weeks until you got the document to send them. A passport takes at least 6 weeks, and involves an interview. Total outlay is around £200 including transport to interview if you live close to one of their centres. Even then, the document fails in not having your address.

The utility bill is no real problem for eBilling. There will be a downloadable PDF version as well as the online statement on your account login. This can be downloaded and the front page printed off on a printer. This PDF version is the SAME as the one that would have been posted out to a paper billed customer, and will have your billing address and summary details. When sent to the casino, there is no way they can tell whether the print was done at your place, or at the companies billing centre and posted out. I have yet to hear of a casino ask for the envelope to be scanned and sent in to prove postal arrival. Even if this was requested, there would be no way to confirm that the envelope contained the bill in question.

The BEST way for a casino to get a proof of address is for them to post out a letter with a code, and for you to scan it and send a copy, or give them the code. A copy of the card is not as good as a copy of the statement showing the deposit made to the casino.

If asked, and innocent, you would be able to comply with these additional requirements. The failure of Will Hill to take this route is an indication that they do NOT want you to be able to comply and give them no choice but to pay.

Without getting to the bottom of this, you may find you hit this problem again, even at the places you have played for a while.

I have played since 2004, and at that time casinos would not always ask for documents. I have now found that as they tighten procedures, I am asked to supply these documents "out of the blue" even after YEARS of loyalty. I did query this at first, but I found out it was a policy being driven externally by regulatory changes and company policy changes, and that players, no matter how loyal in the past, had to have these documents "on file" even where there was no suggestion that they were "up to something".

During this period, I had my new photo driving license because I had been medically retired from work and DVLA put me on a "medical" license that had to be renewed every 3 years, and as a matter of course, my first renewal exchanged my old style non-photo version to the new photo version, else now I would be having the same problems as the OP of having no photo ID. I did end up getting my first passport in 2006, but this was only because I won a casino competition, and would not have been able to do so had I not been able to provide my photo ID in the form of a driving license.

To avoid such problems in the future, UK players should do what no casino would ever tell you BEFORE you deposit, which is to apply for and receive either a photo driving license or a passport before depositing anything to an online casino. They don't say this as it would scare off many UK customers at first contact, and they would NOT go to all that trouble just to have their first dabble at online gambling. Only if "hooked" would UK players weigh up the options of quitting, or getting a passport or driving license, and opt for the latter.
 
Thanks for the reply. My feeling is I don't think it is a credit file problem it might be just a random check. But as prob 5% players don't have photo id including myself I feel it is an unnecessary and unreasonable request. Especially in live chat I said I could provide birth certificate, national insurance on top of debit card/utilitty bill copies but just won't budge. For them it is a bad move I am admittingly a losing gambler who likes roulette,blackjack I probably lose £1500 a year in their shops on fobts, football but I enjoy the gamble. I won't go back and will bet in one of their rival shops. With the UK with adverts about how easy in minutes to have a bet it should be the same withdrawing. I have a bad feeling other casinos will increase with this tactic and it will like 2 bets one to actually win and another to get the cash. If thats does happen I would stop playing online and play more with cash at land based casinos/bookmakers.

I will look into trading standards to see if that is a route but I have in my mind written off the money and am happy I only lose £10 of my own money. I would definitely take this a lot further if the deposit was in the hundreds.
 
Thanks for the reply. My feeling is I don't think it is a credit file problem it might be just a random check. But as prob 5% players don't have photo id including myself I feel it is an unnecessary and unreasonable request. Especially in live chat I said I could provide birth certificate, national insurance on top of debit card/utilitty bill copies but just won't budge. For them it is a bad move I am admittingly a losing gambler who likes roulette,blackjack I probably lose £1500 a year in their shops on fobts, football but I enjoy the gamble. I won't go back and will bet in one of their rival shops. With the UK with adverts about how easy in minutes to have a bet it should be the same withdrawing. I have a bad feeling other casinos will increase with this tactic and it will like 2 bets one to actually win and another to get the cash. If thats does happen I would stop playing online and play more with cash at land based casinos/bookmakers.

I will look into trading standards to see if that is a route but I have in my mind written off the money and am happy I only lose £10 of my own money. I would definitely take this a lot further if the deposit was in the hundreds.

You are almost certain to encounter this issue again, although most casinos will deal with it in a better way. It is highly surprising that a UK based brand would have so little knowledge of the UK market, yet spends heavily advertising here. There are likely to be a significant number of players being affected by this, and it DOES look as though William Hill are NOT treating you in the same way they treat other players from the UK, else there would have been a string of complaints by now of their "will not budge" attitude. Whilst it is only £50, it could have been much more.

If you are a well known regular at one of their shops, pop in one last time and tell the manager why he will no longer be getting your custom, and make it clear that one of the rival shops is about to benefit from an additional £1500 per year. They will lose even more business because of the publicity about this attitude to non-drivers in the UK. Even drivers are affected, because many still have the old style of license, and would suffer the same problem.
 
photo id

Here in the states you can get a photo id without having a license. All you do is go to the place where you get a license and tell them you want a photo id without a license. It is relatively inexpensive and is a good thing to have for a lot of circumstances. Good luck!
 
Here in the UK you can get alternative photo IDs for like age verification. But the security of getting them is quite lax compared to official documents so companies prefer driving license/passport. I'll still bet online but if I do run into another security check where I must have a driving license/passport then i'll stick with land based. Anyway thanks for all the help here on this and hopefully people are more aware this could happen at any casino online so for serious players it might be worth having passport/driving license. But as the majority of gamblers are more casual it should be pointed out more clearly so new customers are aware of possible id check or better still before depositing. A lot of people if they have a drivers license/passport wouldn't be happy sending confidential information just for a gamble as they have to trust the data is protected which by history has proven not to be the case with rogue employees at companies in general.
 
Here in the UK you can get alternative photo IDs for like age verification. But the security of getting them is quite lax compared to official documents so companies prefer driving license/passport. I'll still bet online but if I do run into another security check where I must have a driving license/passport then i'll stick with land based. Anyway thanks for all the help here on this and hopefully people are more aware this could happen at any casino online so for serious players it might be worth having passport/driving license. But as the majority of gamblers are more casual it should be pointed out more clearly so new customers are aware of possible id check or better still before depositing. A lot of people if they have a drivers license/passport wouldn't be happy sending confidential information just for a gamble as they have to trust the data is protected which by history has proven not to be the case with rogue employees at companies in general.


Recent cases have made the casino industry look pretty good, despite the risky locations where some process the data. Most leaks from casinos tend to be names and email addresses, and are mostly used for spam generation, or poaching customers from a competitor. In contrast, leaks from mainstream businesses tend to be for the purpose of selling the information to criminals, who are going to want to use the data to commit various frauds.

The age verification documents are the ONLY universal photo ID available in the UK, and those with the "pass" mark are accredited by the government, and considered secure enough that they are a viable substitute for a formal national ID card scheme for internal use. Where countries issue ID "papers" to all citizens, they are only for internal use, as a passport is still needed for travel across borders.

The last government DID propose a national ID card, but it proved unpopular, and would have been very expensive to implement. The plans were dropped, and don't look like coming back in the near future. Online casinos do NOT dictate government policy, it is the other way around, and the online casino industry is going to be "dictated to" by the UK government when the current system is scrapped in favour of compulsory secondary licensing of individual operators, who for the first time will have to pay UK tax on revenue derived from UK customers no matter what "tax haven" they have decided to hide away in.
 
You can use national ID cards to travel within most of Europe (EU, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland).
In January me and my family drove from England to France, then across Belgium, Holland, Germany & the Czech Republic - and back again 2 weeks later...
No-one asked to look at our passports once!

[slight derail - sorry!]
KK
 
You can use national ID cards to travel within most of Europe (EU, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland).

This is not EU wide, nor popular with all governments. The biggest problem has been the lower levels of border checks that mean illegal immigrants only have to attack the weakest point to get into the EEC, and can then move to the country that offers them the most money. The UK do not issue ID cards, so as far as UK citizens are concerned, this option is not open to them, and a passport is needed, whether or not it is actually checked every time.

Currently, the ONLY people issued with ID cards in the UK are illegal entrants, as they have usually entered with no "papers", or false ones.

The UK government do not need to go as far as to introduce ID cards to deal with this problem highlighted by the OP. An option to get a "license" from the DVLA that has no covered vehicle categories, but retains the format and security surrounding a full driving license, would be a great help. Players from other countries that have no universal national ID card have written that they can get an "ID only" driving license to prove who they are. In the UK, we only have the "pass" cards, targetted mainly at those under 25 in order to prove their age in adult only situations.

William Hill have srt an impossible task, and are not going to budge in order to find a way for the player to get around the unusual situation here in the UK compared to much of the rest of the world. This is an intentional "no pay" disguised in order to make the player look like they have done something wrong. William Hill cannot prove guilt, neither can the player prove innocence, so they have taken the view "guilty until proven innocent", and kept the money.

William Hill have done this over a mere £53, which in business terms is a stupid decision as the minute this thread got started it cost them more than this in bad PR, and it is just getting worse due to their lack of engagement on this issue.

William Hill unwisely bought a dodgy casino group, and then let it STAY dodgy for a long while by keeping most of the old staff and policies. This cost them an embarrassing court defeat at the hands of 32Red. Now they seem determined to run the whole thing into the ground. They would be better off ditching the casino venture altogether, and getting back to what they were known for, events betting. William Hill has the high street reputation of taking a wide variety of "niche" bets as well as the standard sports bets. When they had the original Crypto casino, they ran it pretty well, and I played there regularly. I saw none of the current BS surrounding withdrawals and documents, and they did proof of address by posting a code to players that had to be entered within the software in order to allow withdrawals to be made from the casino. I quit there long ago.
 
This is not EU wide, nor popular with all governments.
It is EU wide (in fact, slightly wider). Any national ID card issued by an EEA member country or Switzerland is valid for travel in this region. I cannot judge whether it is popular, but it is part of the treaties which all governments signed.


Currently, the ONLY people issued with ID cards in the UK are illegal entrants, as they have usually entered with no "papers", or false ones.
Foreign students and marriage visa holders definitely get ID cards issued by the Home Office, possibly other categories of long term residents as well.
 
In January me and my family drove from England to France, then across Belgium, Holland, Germany & the Czech Republic - and back again 2 weeks later...
No-one asked to look at our passports once!

[slight derail - sorry!]
KK
The French should have looked at it when you entered the Schengen area.
 
It is EU wide (in fact, slightly wider). Any national ID card issued by an EEA member country or Switzerland is valid for travel in this region. I cannot judge whether it is popular, but it is part of the treaties which all governments signed.



Foreign students and marriage visa holders definitely get ID cards issued by the Home Office, possibly other categories of long term residents as well.


It's not popular with the UK government. They worry that it is too easy to enter the EU at weak points, mainly in states that have joined recently, and then move through to the UK on nothing more than an ID card from these states.

To recipricate, the UK government would have to introduce an ID card system to the UK, and they didn't like the costs, and the electorate didn't like the idea, so it got shelved. UK citizens have never had to "produce papers" at various points during their day to day lives, so unlike much of the rest of the EU, it was something completely new. Other governments have issued "papers" for a while, so here it was a case of replacing such "papers" with a card, not much of an issue getting the electorate to accept what for them was probably an improvement to the old system.

It would need the EU government to make it mandatory for all member states to run an ID card system for the UK to introduce one (not without a fight either). If it proved unpopular, the government would simply blame the EU for making it mandatory, and it would not do much harm to their chances in the next election.
 
If you deposit with a UK debit card, that is sufficient in terms of an ID check.

WH is a joke. Their CS is in Israel and I suspect/believe they manipulate customer accounts.
 
If WH won't budge, and nothing says they have to, then it comes down to how badly the OP wants his cash. If it were me, I would send the ID via secure international courier and get paid. If it cost me, then so be it....better than getting nothing. The only reason I could see that the OP wouldn't want to do this is......well it would be obvious.

Nifty, if the OP has to shell out 100 to get 50, then it makes sense if the OP decides against this.
 
The French should have looked at it when you entered the Schengen area.
They say you learn something every day - well that's mine for today! :thumbsup:
Never heard of "Schengen area" - I had to Google it!

No - we offered our passports, but they just waved us through - they didn't actually look at them.

KK
 
If you deposit with a UK debit card, that is sufficient in terms of an ID check.

WH is a joke. Their CS is in Israel and I suspect/believe they manipulate customer accounts.

Their CS also went on strike after relations between Will Hill online and staff went sour. There was a rumour that secret plans had been drawn up to move CS elsewhere, and get rid of all the CS staff in Israel. This was compounded by a public falling out between Playtech and William Hill, joint owners of the online venture.

I don't expect their Israeli CS staff think too highly of their employers, nor trust that they are not going to ambush them with redundancy despite denying the existence of there secret plans. This could well come across to customers that the staff are "manipulating accounts".

If the staff feel they are not valued, and can be thrown on the scrapheap at the whim of upper management, they are not going to give 100% effort to their job. There is also multiple outsourcing, because some aspects are handled in Israel, but others in the Philipines. This is bound to create problems such as this, where it is hard for an approach to the Israeli CS centre to make much progress over a decision made by the one in the Philipines that deals mainly with player documentation, ID checking, and fraud investigation.
 
I'm not sure that's strictly true. My wife was a foreign student when we first met, and now she has a UK marriage visa - but she has never had an ID card. Just FYI.
She is Czech, isn't she? Then she has been free to live in the UK since 2004 under EU rules and ID cards would not apply to her. ID cards for foreigners started in 2008.
 
Juctice Of The Peace

Hi I can't withdrawal £53 due to identification checks.

1.Photo ID
2.Utility Bill
3.Copy of debit card.

I can't provide photo id or utility bill(paperless billing).

William Hill won't release funds is there anyone I could contact to complain and try to get the ball rolling. Thanks

Go find yourself a JP or someone with clout (Policeman etc) and get a written ID Statement from them: That is all WH are required to accept regardless of what else they claim:

Good Luck
RockyRoulette
 
You're probably best playing at Casinos that can verify you via the electoral roll,like 32Red amongst others-6 months ago I would have also said GoWild but as they aren't accredited anymore I don't play there and won't until they get that status back.

If you don't get your £53,I wouldn't be to down about it-could have been a lot worse (could have been thousands),probably best asking to make sure before depositing anywhere and explain your issue as I have had the same problem.
 
She is Czech, isn't she? Then she has been free to live in the UK since 2004 under EU rules and ID cards would not apply to her. ID cards for foreigners started in 2008.

That must be somebody else you're thinking of - as far as I know mine's american ;)

Unless there are also special rules for the US, but all the paperwork we keep having to do would make me think otherwise.

I've gone a bit off topic here, sorry guys... :o
 
That must be somebody else you're thinking of - as far as I know mine's american ;)

Unless there are also special rules for the US, but all the paperwork we keep having to do would make me think otherwise.

I've gone a bit off topic here, sorry guys... :o
Sorry, for some reason I was replying to KasinoKing.
 

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