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William Hill Interested in Acquiring 888

Discussion in 'Casino Industry Discussion' started by Zabier, Feb 10, 2015.

    Feb 10, 2015
  1. Zabier

    Zabier Experienced Member

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    Fascinating news. I thought 888 had been receiving positive feedback from players and critics over recent times. Did not see a potential takeover from William Hill on the horizon. It will be interesting to see how this develops.

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  2. Feb 10, 2015
  3. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    William Hill are too big and arrogant as it is. Them taking over another big and arrogant company isn't good news for players. There must be a few player investors at William Hill given that their share price FELL by 3.6% despite this supposedly being the way forward (growth through acquisition) for gaming companies in an industry that is being more heavily taxed and regulated.
     
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  4. Feb 10, 2015
  5. xxshepxx

    xxshepxx Senior Member PABnononaccred MM

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    WH should concentrate on what they have already.

    The product is great, massive selection of games, but the support is piss poor, and thats what annoys me.
     
  6. Feb 10, 2015
  7. 243 lines=daft

    243 lines=daft Senior Member

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    My goodness. Never in the field of human gaming has one poster summed up one company so succinctly!

    Hills have a fantastic product.
    The range of customised bets they offer on racing beats out everyone else including B365. The live casino is superb. The range of casino games is huge and the promos are many, varied and usually decent.

    And yet.. one of the biggest bookmaker brands of all is unaccredited here and nobody seems to have a good word to say about their CS.
    It's all a bit strange really. Not as strange as the Ladbrokes freefall, but still very odd.

    They remain one of the only good places to play Marilyn Monroe so I'll always have a few quid in there.
     
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  8. Feb 10, 2015
  9. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Don't forget that they pay progressives in small chunks over many years, possibly 30 or 40 depending on the size of the win. It's a policy they inherited from when they bought Playtech and Cpays out, but they are in no hurry to change it. Only a small minority of players will ever experience this very negative side of William Hill.
     
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  10. Feb 10, 2015
  11. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Am I right in thinking the 888 group also covers the cassava run bingo / casino sites with thousands of different skins?

    Lets hope if WH do 'acquire' they don't confiscate winnings as the terms state:-

    *Player was smoking during free spins feature :(
    *Player was only partially dressed during his/her deposit :(
    *Player had brown sauce not red on his bacon sarnie and took a bite during play :(
    *Player sent his mom a text message during Wild Desire feature :(
    etc etc etc

    Lets hope all the 'jokers' merge one day then we will only have one 'baddie' to avoid instead of several.

    Sorry to have been so negative and gone slightly off topic but I wanna see some good news, The 'Bookies' sites used to be my most trusted and faves (especially Ladbrokes) but it now seems they are all rapidly heading in the same direction, IE:down the slippery slope !! and making bad decisions daily!
     
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  12. Feb 10, 2015
  13. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    Lol, Yes there are the ones that run the bingo sites or at least hold the main license,

    But in all fairness I nether had 1 bit of trouble from the bingo side of things and I have made literally hundreds of withdrawals and not one bit of hassle,


     
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  14. Feb 10, 2015
  15. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Actually, I think you'll find William Hill casino itself does not impose this immoral rule (and they are NOT on the list of Playtechs in the Rogue Pit).
    I think it's only all their sister casinos who employ these thieving practises.

    KK
     
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  16. Feb 10, 2015
  17. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Same thing really, same company, same owners, same licence, same software, same support it seems too.
     
  18. Feb 11, 2015
  19. redsfan

    redsfan Experienced Member webby

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    Not quite. They did actually remove the term and from their sister sites but when one of the management team who removed it left, they put it back in.
     
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  20. Feb 11, 2015
  21. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    Any site that removes such terms only to be replaced should be auto wiped of any persons list, There is no reason for it and only to hold the player to ransom
     
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  22. Feb 11, 2015
  23. 243 lines=daft

    243 lines=daft Senior Member

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    ^

    Is there any thread or discussion that mentions Hills doing this?

    If so I agree that is bang out of order and should surely see them toasted on the same fiery fork as their sister sites.
    But before that we should really clarify the evidence if such exists.
     
  24. Feb 11, 2015
  25. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    I will never find out but I am pretty sure that if you won a progressive jackpot on William hills main site you would get it paid in one go.

    The bookies will payout over a million in football bets to a customer so I hardly think they will tell a customer you won a million pound jackpot in the casino but your payments will be split over 2 years. The fact that you can withdraw £100,000 a day to your bank without having to get special permission to withdraw so much would make a mockery of them not paying out a jackpot.

    It is one of the largest and best bookmaking sites in the world . Its the same with Ladbrokes who aren't the best anymore but if you win £1,000,000 on there playtech jackpots you would also get it quickly as a cheque for full amount.
     
  26. Feb 11, 2015
  27. redsfan

    redsfan Experienced Member webby

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    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57604
     
  28. Feb 11, 2015
  29. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    That is most damning of all. It makes it clear it's not an oversight on their part from when the previous owners had this term, and used it to screw Sylvia P out of CAD $2 million. The reaming of Sylvia is ample demonstration as to WHY such a term is unacceptable. It might just have been deemed acceptable were the payments over a couple of decades underwritten by an independent insurance backed guarantee. In Sylvia's case, she was lucky to ONLY have been screwed out of the 2 million, for 6 months into the payment schedule, and after she was tricked into accepting half at once and forfeiture of the remainder, Joyless casino was sold off to William Hill, who decided they would not be held responsible for any outstanding debts from the previous owners. They refused to make a goodwill gesture as Sylvia had "agreed" to the deal. They also admitted that there was no trace of the other 2 million in the accounts from the previous owners, so the money wasn't just stolen from her, it was stolen from the company too!

    What did Playtech do? Look the other way of course, just as they always do.

    If William Hill follow their usual operational procedures, they will also screw players at 888.com if they buy it, just as they now do with the "sister" sites. Only their main site, bearing their well known brand, can be expected to play fair.
     
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  30. Feb 12, 2015
  31. 243 lines=daft

    243 lines=daft Senior Member

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    Okay so just to clarify then, my own earlier understanding was correct that the actual William Hill casino itself hadn't been removing and readding these ropey terms.

    Playtech have to take a huge share of the blame for these terms being in place at so many casinos. Take for example Supercasino (an otherwise excellent operation that have some of the most generous roulette bonuses, who pay out winnings quickly and operate an efficient customer support). Yet they have this 'rogue' term in place which sticks out like a sore thumb against the high quality of the rest of their product.
    If Playtech allow Supercasino to dictate their own preferred payout schedule for progressives, and Supercasino see that there is precedent for keeping substantial sums of these wins in their business for a long period, then the temptation is just being dangled in front of their faces to do so.

    And the point maybe being missed is that as a business, a casino like Supercasino etc might well see adopting such terms as 'NOT WRONG' per se, just sensible for their business model. Offering the player half and keeping the rest seems to us 'wrong' (and I agree it's wrong) but as (1) there is precedent and (2) Playtech allow it then it could appear to a sensible way to add to the business's bottom line.
    The real problem is with Playtech.
     
  32. Feb 12, 2015
  33. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    There has been some moans about supercasino, (t.v)

    So I wonder if it is playtech that has this rule for all there casinos? And not the casino it self to blame, As it was weird how someone said W.H got rid and than it was back,

     
  34. Feb 12, 2015
  35. 243 lines=daft

    243 lines=daft Senior Member

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    I doubt it's a rule Spintee, but could it be that Playtech have promoted this loophole to these casinos more proactively than we've all assumed.

    There have always been two things about the whole thing that don't make any sense


    Puzzle 1 - Such a large group of casinos including a number of name brands all deciding to adopt a similar rogue rule independently? How likely is that?

    Puzzle 2 - Playtech/the casinos not responding while Bryan was both contacting them and progressively demoting the casinos in question (with the associated harmful publicity to Playtech as a brand)


    IF in fact Playtech have been promoting the loophole to these casinos, that could explain both of these puzzles.
    So is this what has really been going on?
     
  36. Feb 12, 2015
  37. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Supercasino is UK facing and with a UK licence. One positive aspect is that the progressive money CANNOT be squandered on "operational costs" with the company then saying they don't have the money to carry on paying the player. This also makes it odd that the UKGC are allowing this. It's possible that they won't once there is an issue with a UK player winning a Supercasino progressive and being told it will take 20 years to pay, with the player then making a formal complaint that as a player funded pool payout, it should be paid at once, just like the national lottery.
     
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  38. Feb 12, 2015
  39. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    I have a few more puzzles also but I guess they never be completed, I been gambling for years and nether really dived into the deep end, But i do always wonder, I am nether going going to see a big win any anyway or have so Unless I win on a few quid from loto tiks I have bought than stick to my few hundred quid withdraws if lucky, But I no where I be playing if I do hit abit of gold,
     

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