When you win a nice amount do you feel casinos lock your account down a bit?

[Savatage79]

First off, casinos can't do any of this. The slots come from the manufacturers, and casinos don't get to touch their RNGs or anything else really.
Secondly, the casinos don't even care. You will lose anyways. Or if you don't someone else will. That's how casinos work. It has nothing to do with individual players*, and everything to do with house edge and RTP.
Thirdly, you have selective memory. Now this one is the hardest for people to accept. Most people wont believe that they haven't lost 50 consecutive spins even when shown the data proving otherwise. Easier to believe in conspiracies and whatnot. Especially small wins go completely unregistered for most players.


*The most they will do is encourage you to deposit more and play more...because that is how you lose.

But see Its not selective memory as I know I lose a lot, meaning , there are many times I can rack up bucks and burn it back down and then thing wow I'm an idiot. That happens a ton of times. The thing that makes it fun is I will make gains, I sit and after 50 to 100 or 150 bucks I'll at some point go up and start getting some hits which is what makes it fun even tho I spin many losses. It's the overall feel of the sessions that change dramatically. Even when I'm losing money but getting nice hits I'm having fun.

But we're talking drastic, absolutely drastic turn around and not just for me but for 2 people in this particular situation which is something that nobody is sort of addressing.

My father and I play and win some money and have numerous times now and each time when we clock out after a big one we "both" go absolutely dry to where we don't even want to play anymore. That just seems way past the idea of random to me.

 

[rena35]

I will say yes and then wait quietly for my tin foil hat.

 

[Karri]

But see Its not selective memory as I know I lose a lot, meaning , there are many times I can rack up bucks and burn it back down and then thing wow I'm an idiot. That happens a ton of times. The thing that makes it fun is I will make gains, I sit and after 50 to 100 or 150 bucks I'll at some point go up and start getting some hits which is what makes it fun even tho I spin many losses. It's the overall feel of the sessions that change dramatically. Even when I'm losing money but getting nice hits I'm having fun.

But we're talking drastic, absolutely drastic turn around and not just for me but for 2 people in this particular situation which is something that nobody is sort of addressing.

My father and I play and win some money and have numerous times now and each time when we clock out after a big one we "both" go absolutely dry to where we don't even want to play anymore. That just seems way past the idea of random to me.

I think it's actually quite likely that those drastic turns happen. Just like you can get several big wins in a few spins you can get long streaks with no big wins at all. The main issue here is that you are probably getting a lot of small wins(this is where the selective memory comes in, as we'd need data to figure out what's really happening). This is why I hate slots with small wins, as they are pointless, and IMO only designed so that playing wears down your bankroll; you'll get plenty of small wins to fill in the RTP but never land a big win.

I am not saying that this is not possible, of course it is. Just completely unlikely, no casino could keep it a secret and none of them would escape the mark of rogue for long. When I was working in poker support this was quite a common myth as well, even with poker professionals who know that sometimes you just hit absolutely incredible losing streaks.

 

[BrianGhattas]

Harry_BKK said it.

Of course, in my case the slots are always cold except for the occasional mega win in Dead or Alive. I'm still waiting for a big win on Rigdrasil slots. I won $676 in Bet Victor at the end of February but every other deposit there since has been a bust but I have only made 5 cashouts from 22 deposits at VSO so that theory is out the window.

 

[Savatage79]

I think the fact that I was able to predict the behavior is still what gets me. When I cashed out I told my wife watch it'll go cold as hell and sure enough it did. I just don't like that, bothers me in a way.

And if I take a break for a month and return and then bam I'm hitting and having fun again and I'm able to call that still just would seem fishy

 

[SlotGrinder]

First off, casinos can't do any of this. The slots come from the manufacturers, and casinos don't get to touch their RNGs or anything else really.
Secondly, the casinos don't even care. You will lose anyways. Or if you don't someone else will. That's how casinos work. It has nothing to do with individual players*, and everything to do with house edge and RTP.
Thirdly, you have selective memory. Now this one is the hardest for people to accept. Most people wont believe that they haven't lost 50 consecutive spins even when shown the data proving otherwise. Easier to believe in conspiracies and whatnot. Especially small wins go completely unregistered for most players.


*The most they will do is encourage you to deposit more and play more...because that is how you lose.

Thankyou for talking sense

 

[SlotGrinder]

I think it's actually quite likely that those drastic turns happen. Just like you can get several big wins in a few spins you can get long streaks with no big wins at all. The main issue here is that you are probably getting a lot of small wins(this is where the selective memory comes in, as we'd need data to figure out what's really happening). This is why I hate slots with small wins, as they are pointless, and IMO only designed so that playing wears down your bankroll; you'll get plenty of small wins to fill in the RTP but never land a big win.

I am not saying that this is not possible, of course it is. Just completely unlikely, no casino could keep it a secret and none of them would escape the mark of rogue for long. When I was working in poker support this was quite a common myth as well, even with poker professionals who know that sometimes you just hit absolutely incredible losing streaks.

Yes I play poker tournaments for a living and I have had every conceivable "pattern" happen to me from consistent big wins to losing for months on end to steadily winning to winning a lot then losing it all back etc etc . Luckily poker has a skill element so my winnings graph gradually goes up but there are a LOT of swings on the way

People don't appreciate that randomness can produce any pattern , not just the patterns that look "random" . You can flip a coin and get 20 heads in a row or you can get 2 heads 1 tail 2 heads 1 tail 2 heads 1 tail etc etc or you can get 1 head 1 tail 2 heads 1 tail 3 heads 2 tails 1 head 1 tail . Most people are going to describe the last pattern as random and the first 2 as not random at all

 

[Savatage79]

Yes I play poker tournaments for a living and I have had every conceivable "pattern" happen to me from consistent big wins to losing for months on end to steadily winning to winning a lot then losing it all back etc etc . Luckily poker has a skill element so my winnings graph gradually goes up but there are a LOT of swings on the way

People don't appreciate that randomness can produce any pattern , not just the patterns that look "random" . You can flip a coin and get 20 heads in a row or you can get 2 heads 1 tail 2 heads 1 tail 2 heads 1 tail etc etc or you can get 1 head 1 tail 2 heads 1 tail 3 heads 2 tails 1 head 1 tail . Most people are going to describe the last pattern as random and the first 2 as not random at all

But what are the chances that two people say hey did you go completely cold to the point of wanting to walk away after a cash out? I don't understand how that coincidence can happen to such identical nature. You either win or lose in slots, we both cash out and now both 700 to 1000 deep without a single good run at the same identical time for the most part? I just feel that's not random more or less a lock down, not saying they are controlling the spins. Like sure one of us could still have a huge hit but the chances maybe normally are 8%, now they're 3%..is how it feels.

But I totally understand the points some are making on randomness but I still can't help but feel they're underestimating people to know what's fun and what isn't. The way slots typically are for me online are great fun, up and down, but once the cash out happens it's instantly zero fun because there's no ups for a good while, just downs.

The first time I cash out fairly big and a day or two later I hit big again then I will totally dismiss my thoughts on this. But til then it seems way to convenient to cash out and go cold almost every time now, like clockwork

 

[geordiecolin]

What I tend to do is when hitting a big win on a certain slot at a certain casino to leave that slot alone for the time being.
We all have our personal theories and believes about how online gambling exactly works.
But yes,I do believe when hitting a big win on a certain slot, my personal RTP on that slot might be sky high and on the long run it has to come down to the normal values of 96%-98% ish, the average RTP% of that slot.

It might be a load of bull because maybe I can hit big again on it but I do not believe in that.

I do not and will not believe that any reputable casino here can tweak your personal payouts and/or change the amount of money that you will win or lose.
If that would be the case I would stop playing right now.

What I DO think is that gaming providers might save your IP address and when you would have a few big wins on a certain slot it eventually will lead to a long cold streak on that slot as that would be the norm, right?
Especially if you play at different casino's from the same casino group it makes me very aware of the fact that when having a 300% RTP on a certain slot at casino A might lead to an RTP% of for example 45% at casino B from the same casino group.

I had a monster hit on untamed bengal tiger at GUTS casino and because of that I would never play it at Rizk casino because I think my win is registered there as well in the background (same owners / platform / servers).


Maybe I am way off here, but that is my personal approach when playing online.

That said, it might be a bullshit theory LOL.

But I do hope people understand what I am trying to say.


Mark.

I have the same outlook. It saddens me that I have had some great wins at casino's that I would love to deposit more with but I'm put off depositing there simply because I have recently had a big winner there. Instead I go chasing a win at a casino that has seen deposit after deposit from me with little or no return. And I keep on losing there!
I think that it would be folly to think that any information that is helpful for the casino industry to prosper would not be shared barring rivalry and the eyes of the law.

 

[spintee]

I was told once that someone always brags about the wins, But nether hear about the loss's


Same goes on slots, Yes you do hit than seems to go cold but nothing really changes, Only your MIND SET, Take the win out of the story and what has really changed? NOTHING the only change was the win, but because you had the win it makes your mind think diffrent,

I agree its not 100% random, You can tell if a slots cold or hot but most still play if it fells cold? WHY?

You hear people moan that slots are so cold, But than get a win in between than its changed from cold to ice, Only reason ts now ice is due to seeing that win

 

[SlotGrinder]

But what are the chances that two people say hey did you go completely cold to the point of wanting to walk away after a cash out? I don't understand how that coincidence can happen to such identical nature. You either win or lose in slots, we both cash out and now both 700 to 1000 deep without a single good run at the same identical time for the most part? I just feel that's not random more or less a lock down, not saying they are controlling the spins. Like sure one of us could still have a huge hit but the chances maybe normally are 8%, now they're 3%..is how it feels.

But I totally understand the points some are making on randomness but I still can't help but feel they're underestimating people to know what's fun and what isn't. The way slots typically are for me online are great fun, up and down, but once the cash out happens it's instantly zero fun because there's no ups for a good while, just downs.

The first time I cash out fairly big and a day or two later I hit big again then I will totally dismiss my thoughts on this. But til then it seems way to convenient to cash out and go cold almost every time now, like clockwork

What are the chances of two related people experiencing this out of millions of players ?? I'd say the chances are close to 100% .
Has anyone made a thread on here "When you win a nice amount do you feel that slots play perfectly normally after as if nothing happened ?" NO , because firstly it won't even cross your mind and secondly because it's not newsworthy - but I expect a million people could make that thread saying how they and their brother/sister/uncle had the same experience.

The reason you make this thread is because you know there would be a motive behind casinos deliberately making slots go cold for you . Understandable , but noone is making a thread about when they make a big cashout then the slots play really great afterwards and for 2 reasons , 1) There's no possible casino malpractise going on 2) The player just considers it part of his "hot run" anyway . Maybe when he stops winning and then hits a bad patch he will make a thread about how after a "hot run" the slots seem to go really cold on him

 

[Savatage79]

Well we will have to agree to disagree. Casinos have more ways than one to reel their money back in imho.

 

[Savatage79]

So man I gotta say it's so hard to still not think this as since I made this post and since my last withdrawal I haven't been able to even go above 100 bucks hardly. Just seems so odd that I was at will able to sit and at least bounce to 5 6 7 800+ dollars, but now It doesn't matter the time, day, how much I spin etc.... Just straight to nothin.

I wish there were more options for us in the US

 

[SlotGrinder]

You might be right and they might be scamming you but to say usually every session you can increase to $500 or $800 is crazy because that means every session you could just reach that amount and cashout and basically use the casino as your ATM . You're not supposed to win so most deposits should just go down because of house edge

 

[goatwack]

I've had two cashouts since my last post, so I can confirm that slots are definitely not rigged at this time

 

[Savatage79]

You might be right and they might be scamming you but to say usually every session you can increase to $500 or $800 is crazy because that means every session you could just reach that amount and cashout and basically use the casino as your ATM . You're not supposed to win so most deposits should just go down because of house edge

Actually I'll reiterate... What I meant was the last couple months I'd play it would fluctuate to where I could build a bankroll. Not that I sat down and rolled up 800 bucks but I could pop 50 to 100 in and most of the time get some nice hits maybe jumping to 2 or 300, maybe it'd be 800 and higher ....but I wouldn't go weeks on end without a single hit that's decent or a decent bonus round.

I just meant at will i was able to build a bankroll for the most part even if it was 2 or 300 bucks, I could start to build. And then I could spin higher bets but since my jackpot win I can't even get 100 bucks in there

I just must be on the coldest steak ever after hitting a progressive jackpot

I might need to explore other casinos for now and see what happens elsewhere.

 

[Savatage79]

But like you said you're not supposed to use it as an atm but that's how it felt lol I in a matter of like a week won 1000, 1500 and 9500....and so it feels like they're saying oooook buddy time to turn you off lol

 

[slotter999]

I think the fact that I was able to predict the behavior is still what gets me. When I cashed out I told my wife watch it'll go cold as hell and sure enough it did. I just don't like that, bothers me in a way.

If you can truly predict the behaviour then surely you should be following your own predictions so that when you predict "it's gonna turn ice cold" you just stop playing.

Perhaps your ability to predict the behaviour is because what you're predicting is the most common outcome on these machines.

I'm curious to know whether or not these suspicions you have will actually stop you playing online?

 

[lockinlove]

The only thing I really notice is when you cash out and leave yourself with some to play with, that some never builds into any further cashouts.

Pretty hard for me to agree that once you win big the casino goes cold considering ive been winning big everywhere constantly.

The only one I noticed that with was PlayOLG..maybe some others that I closed my account with but cant recall.

 

[SlotGrinder]

Well as a poker player I know that if players have a nice winning streak they consider that "normal" . And if they go on a long period of losing or at least not winning much then they consider that "bad luck" or even sometimes "rigged" But the truth is a lot of these players aren't winning players at all . They just got very lucky in the period when they were winning and decided that was how poker is supposed to always be for them
But some pokersites HAVE been rigged in the past with superuser accounts who could see everyone's cards so I'm not dismissing the possibility that the casino may be rigged

 

[TheAddict]

The only thing I really notice is when you cash out and leave yourself with some to play with, that some never builds into any further cashouts.

Pretty hard for me to agree that once you win big the casino goes cold considering ive been winning big everywhere constantly.

The only one I noticed that with was PlayOLG..maybe some others that I closed my account with but cant recall.

agree with that. the amount of times never once cashin out once when always leaving something to play with, it's changed the frame of mind to 'how much shall i give them back'

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

I agree with some part of you all. Would like to add my own feeling and experience. It seems as well when you play at a casino and you are not a high roller. Like betting in ranges of 0.20-£2 yeah some will say £2 is high rolling i know. But if u mostly bet 0.20-0.60 then later when we get a nice big win we might have changed bet sizes up to £1-£3 i know i do that myself.

Then after a big win we tend to play bit more lose because that nice adrenaline has been pumping trough our vanes. And somehow in our brain we got that WIN WIN DING DING i got cash now. And when we deposit we expect to win more as surely i cant lose now.

I have just experienced it again having a very nice big win and sudenly finding myself redepositing and losing a lot again and my choices of slots not as concentrated as before i had that big win So your choice of slots makes big difference as well. Maybe you change and play more high variance slots on higher bets than you would normally do. And so you can easily end up in a losing streak which will hit harder.

Not sure if this makes any sense at all to you guys but hope it do haha. Very tired after work today But will try get my keypoints out. Simply after a big win we tend to get more lose in our play i know that from 20 years experience. And i would suggest if got a very nice win streak or massive big win somewhere then take a break or ONLY do 1 deposit to see are you on a lucky win streak. Do maybe MAX 10% investment for deposits if you can. If you dont get any wins or any luck then stop totally for a period and await your luck again