When you win a nice amount do you feel casinos lock your account down a bit?

Savatage79

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So I haven't played tons online but I started around April and I've had a nice little run but noticed on two occasions a similar happening and my father almost having an identical situation.

I won 4000 bucks in early may, and I hit a cold streak that seemed unnaturally sparse, couldn't even get one decent hit... It forced me to stop for a few months.

I came back and all of the sudden I'm hitting again like crazy, won 1000, 1500 and then 9500 all within a very short amount of time and my father won 2000.

Since we've gotten our money both of us can not even work up a bankroll to 3 or 500 bucks. Can't do it. It's almost like the casino is slowly getting their money back. And I think that's extraordinary coincidental that both of us are having the same identical issue after winning some cash. If he was hitting still I'd then feel I'm simply on a cold streak. But we're both not able to do anything and it doesn't matter which game we move around to.

This is with bovada. But I'm curious if when someone wins they get lower percentage reels possibly, say normal 10% is the norm but when they tag you you're maybe at a 4% reel set to prevent really any bankroll building.

I dunno but just odd neither of us can hit after similar money winning circumstances.
 

goatwack

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It does appear to be like that. I'd like to think that each session and therefore each spin is independent but I find that playing at one site continuously after a win sees a massive downturn in fortune, almost seemingly as if the money is being recouped.

Some sessions do feel compensatory and getting even slightly ahead is an exercise in futility, to the point of being blatant. I mean dead spin after dead spin with no bonus rounds.

Do casinos regulate this? Who knows. Do slots have a 'memory' that ties in with your returns? We'll never know!
 

spintee

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I can certainly relate to that one,

It does feel like the switch has been flicked, There is alot on here after a good streak they take a break and reason being is what you in-counted,

Its a funny old game, I get a few hits than bang, take take take, its like 1 step forward than 3 steps back, As soon as your started the win than it drags it back and more,
 

Harry_BKK

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You are getting it all wrong because you are forgetting one thing:

Losing on slots is the norm, winning the exception!

Hence, of course after some wins we will lose again. There is no need for switches or the like. How we lose, doesn't really matter whether it is with lightening or crawling speed, speak a deposit gives us some good playtime and 'hope' or not.
 

goatwack

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You are getting it all wrong because you are forgetting one thing:

Losing on slots is the norm, winning the exception!

Hence, of course after some wins we will lose again. There is no need for switches or the like. How we lose, doesn't really matter whether it is with lightening or crawling speed, speak deposit gives us some fun and 'hope' or not.
Of course we all lose over the long-term, it's just how it appears during any particular session. It's the abruptness of certain gameplay, when everything leading up to it was pretty 'balanced'.

How can a game take you steadily from 20 to 60 and then go murderously cold?

That's the spike every slotter dreads and you can almost predict them with alarming regularity. It's as if that's the threshold for the game and everything else is downhill!

I'll have my purple tinfoil hat now please, with a little antenna by the left side:eek:;)
 

Savatage79

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You are getting it all wrong because you are forgetting one thing:

Losing on slots is the norm, winning the exception!

Hence, of course after some wins we will lose again. There is no need for switches or the like. How we lose, doesn't really matter whether it is with lightening or crawling speed, speak a deposit gives us some good playtime and 'hope' or not.
But the issue with that is when it doesn't matter when I return or what time of day or what game after huge withdrawals I can't even build a few hits... Not massive hits, just hits that make it fun... For literally then hundreds of dollars.

Like I played enough of a few of my favorites slots to know hitting for 50 bucks, 100+, sometimes 600 etc... It happens a bit regularly but I still tend to keep rolling and can spin it away, that's what makes it fun.

But then after moments like this, day after day, week after week, hundreds of dollars I can't even increase my money once... Not once... And then my father who plays the same game has about the exact cold streak? It just seems to be blatant as said above.

I'm fine with losing, but the fun is when you are getting hits here and there...but when it goes this cold it feels its absolutely set to not let you enjoy any type of hit
 

snotter999

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You are getting it all wrong because you are forgetting one thing:

Losing on slots is the norm, winning the exception!

Hence, of course after some wins we will lose again. There is no need for switches or the like. How we lose, doesn't really matter whether it is with lightening or crawling speed, speak a deposit gives us some good playtime and 'hope' or not.
Hehehe
This should be a sticky that you see every time you log on!
 

Savatage79

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The thing is when time passes and pre money withdraws, the pattern is typically the same where I spin and win some, lose some, win some, lose some... My hits fluctuate and it's a game of cat and mouse almost but it's fun because my hits can be big and small. But it's been predictable as within 25 to 100 bucks I could generally build a bank roll. This is typical "until" I make the actual withdraw.

What happens after my clock out is I put 50 in and boom right to zero not even a small hit or bounce back. Put another 50 or 100 in, straight to zero. Next day same thing. Next day same thing, next day same thing...its like a blatant "hi, we're taking our money back now".

That's my issue with it currently and how it feels
 

Harry_BKK

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Of course we all lose over the long-term, it's just how it appears during any particular session. It's the abruptness of certain gameplay, when everything leading up to it was pretty 'balanced'.

How can a game take you steadily from 20 to 60 and then go murderously cold?

That's the spike every slotter dreads and you can almost predict them with alarming regularity. It's as if that's the threshold for the game and everything else is downhill!

I'll have my purple tinfoil hat now please, with a little antenna by the left side:eek:;)
The thing is when time passes and pre money withdraws, the pattern is typically the same where I spin and win some, lose some, win some, lose some... My hits fluctuate and it's a game of cat and mouse almost but it's fun because my hits can be big and small. But it's been predictable as within 25 to 100 bucks I could generally build a bank roll. This is typical "until" I make the actual withdraw.

What happens after my clock out is I put 50 in and boom right to zero not even a small hit or bounce back. Put another 50 or 100 in, straight to zero. Next day same thing. Next day same thing, next day same thing...its like a blatant "hi, we're taking our money back now".

That's my issue with it currently and how it feels
You both are describing what i call the winner blues. Slots play is 5% luck and 95% psychology! :eek:

A slot is all but predictable. Getting to a sizeable balance or a withdrawal does not change how a slot runs. But the trap we players mostly fall into is one the winner blues and two that we play mostly the same slots.

- you made it from 20 --> 60:
"oh, this is running well today, lets stay a little longer or increase my bets, maybe i am in for the monster hit today, i can feel it." ....you loose some of the balance and now you start chasing losing even more to the point where you think: "i might as well stay on it now, no need to change the slot, it should/must pick-up again" .....which 98/100 never happens.

- you won a sizeable amount and withdrew:
a few days later you go back to the SAME slot thinking: "i should be able to do this again". You are even looking for similar patterns as in the previous session but of course it all runs different. Now your saying: "This can't be true, it is not the same slot, they rigged it to get the money i won back.... well, I'll show them I'm smarter, I will win again, lets put one more deposit in, i know it will run better soon" ....you pump in more money, get more frustrated, tin foil hat getting bigger and the will to win it all back as well.

Both cases end up in misery 98 or even 99/100. :oops:

And there is a good reason for it: A lot players have to lose, many even in a dreadful way with a very low RTP, for one or two players to get that run with 400-500% RTP. I have studied the VS battles and can give you the perfect example as it repeats itself over and over again:

--> Jimmy Hendrix battle (low variance slot, so you will win the battle most likely with a 250-300% RTP over the 100 spins and will have more than usual medium winners)

- 451 players registered and 438 played the spins
- total 43.800 spins played which is a good sample size
- 2 players at the top got past the 250% RTP mark
- about 14 between 200-250%
- another 100 between 100-200%
- on the low end over 100 barely got 50% RTP or less

So from 438 you have
- 16 getting a really good run, that is one in 27 or 4%,
- about 100 are in the medium category, that is one in 4.4 or 22%,
- the reminder of 74% are losers with some 25% really bad losers with a RTP of 50% or lower.

In straight numbers if you do 100 sessions, you should see 96% sessions that are really bad to OK and only 4% really good ones. Hence, the feeling that it runs bad comes up naturally as most of the time you will have a mediocre run.


And this on a low variance slot!! Just imagine how much worse these numbers will look for high variance slots like DOA! :eek:
 

Savatage79

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But how can two people who had withdraws at approximately the same time, same online casino, get their money and both simply unable to hit anything whatsoever for the next few weeks?

That's the biggest thing. If it were just me then ok I'd have to say well I'm hitting one insane cold streak. But my dad who plays as well is doing the exact same thing, putting money in and it going straight to zero each and every time no matter the game.. How can we both virtually be experiencing the same exact thing and not one of us with a decent hit? The probability of that seems so unlikely of slots are truly 100% random or uncontrolled in some ways.

The timing is astoundingly coincidental as we both have recently withdrew over 2000 dollars.

I just don't see how 2 people on 2 separate accounts can have virtually the same identical experiences after a nice withdraw.
 

chris87

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I hear what you say Harry and it makes sense, but I have to agree with what the guys are saying.

Over the years of playing and thousands of spins I did get the feeling that after a decent win and withdrawal things go a bit cold, especially at the casino where you had the win. I also found that if you took a break from a casino for a while your luck appears to be better when you return, especially if you've been away for a while.

I play regularly at about 6 or 7 casinos and the interesting thing is that they seem to follow the same pattern, that if your luck is out, it's out at all of them, or if it's in, it's a bit better at all of them.

I posted that the other week that for the first time ever on IR I hit 4 wild reels on the wild desire feature paying £3.5k. I did have a small withdrawal at the same casino (Leo Vegas) after, but since then everywhere I play the slots have been very cold. I certainly wouldn't expect to hit big again so soon after, but it does feel like the software provider is pulling their money back across all my casinos!

Yes, there is the psychology in play here, but there is certainly a pattern too.

Chris
 

Savatage79

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I hear what you say Harry and it makes sense, but I have to agree with what the guys are saying.

Over the years of playing and thousands of spins I did get the feeling that after a decent win and withdrawal things go a bit cold, especially at the casino where you had the win. I also found that if you took a break from a casino for a while your luck appears to be better when you return, especially if you've been away for a while.

I play regularly at about 6 or 7 casinos and the interesting thing is that they seem to follow the same pattern, that if your luck is out, it's out at all of them, or if it's in, it's a bit better at all of them.

I posted that the other week that for the first time ever on IR I hit 4 wild reels on the wild desire feature paying £3.5k. I did have a small withdrawal at the same casino (Leo Vegas) after, but since then everywhere I play the slots have been very cold. I certainly wouldn't expect to hit big again so soon after, but it does feel like the software provider is pulling their money back across all my casinos!

Yes, there is the psychology in play here, but there is certainly a pattern too.

Chris
Interesting you mention this as I meant to add that not only do I feel cold at the casino I won money but every casino I try right now Is nothin but an instant cash sink. I thought well I'll dabble at a few others and I literally can't do anything anywhere... And I just find the whole thing peculiar. Do you think it's simply IP addresses they crack down on?

Be interesting to get a different ip address and go spin some and see what happens.
 

Harry_BKK

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I hear what you say Harry and it makes sense, but I have to agree with what the guys are saying.

Over the years of playing and thousands of spins I did get the feeling that after a decent win and withdrawal things go a bit cold, especially at the casino where you had the win. I also found that if you took a break from a casino for a while your luck appears to be better when you return, especially if you've been away for a while.

I play regularly at about 6 or 7 casinos and the interesting thing is that they seem to follow the same pattern, that if your luck is out, it's out at all of them, or if it's in, it's a bit better at all of them.

I posted that the other week that for the first time ever on IR I hit 4 wild reels on the wild desire feature paying £3.5k. I did have a small withdrawal at the same casino (Leo Vegas) after, but since then everywhere I play the slots have been very cold. I certainly wouldn't expect to hit big again so soon after, but it does feel like the software provider is pulling their money back across all my casinos!

Yes, there is the psychology in play here, but there is certainly a pattern too.

Chris
Understand Chris but it is still all random.

Do you remember how many bad sessions you had prior to your big win? The slots were eating your deposits then just like now. It is always the psychological feeling of a slump after a big win or a number of good runs that drives our brain into tin foil territory.

I had in several periods between 2 - 15 withdrawals in quick succession in the past 2 years, even big amounts and it kept going for quite some time, mostly a few weeks. But i knew very well that it won't carry on like that, the odds are just against the player.

That it has similarities for 2 players is nothing unusual either. We know very well that slots go in cycles. Long losing ones and short winning ones. And since they even play at the same time the same slot i am not surprised that they experience similar sessions.
 

Harry_BKK

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Interesting you mention this as I meant to add that not only do I feel cold at the casino I won money but every casino I try right now Is nothin but an instant cash sink. I thought well I'll dabble at a few others and I literally can't do anything anywhere... And I just find the whole thing peculiar. Do you think it's simply IP addresses they crack down on?

Be interesting to get a different ip address and go spin some and see what happens.
I do travel quite often to different countries, hence IP's are changing fairly often. Have not seen an "iota" difference on how the games play.
 

Savatage79

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I get that probably no matter what I or we say will change your stance on it being totally random but I'm convinced still that "something" is different because here is why.... You mentioned sinking in cash just as much before, but the difference is that when I'm playing after a break almost every session is good fun. And it stays that way for weeks as long as I don't cash out. When I cash out on a nice pay day, my fun instantly turns to sheer annoyance.

It's happened this "exact" same way on two big payouts forcing me to stop for a few months. That isn't random, random to me is winning big money and then a few days later winning big money again or winning any money at all.. The way it currently is for me is once I cash out my slot playing goes so cold it makes me not even want to spin anymore. And that doesn't happen pre cash outs.

Pre cash out they spin 100% differently and I feel they know what's up, they aren't gonna just hand money out, they have ways to draw it back in I believe
 

Harry_BKK

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I get that probably no matter what I or we say will change your stance on it being totally random but I'm convinced still that "something" is different because here is why.... You mentioned sinking in cash just as much before, but the difference is that when I'm playing after a break almost every session is good fun. And it stays that way for weeks as long as I don't cash out. When I cash out on a nice pay day, my fun instantly turns to sheer annoyance.

It's happened this "exact" same way on two big payouts forcing me to stop for a few months. That isn't random, random to me is winning big money and then a few days later winning big money again or winning any money at all.. The way it currently is for me is once I cash out my slot playing goes so cold it makes me not even want to spin anymore. And that doesn't happen pre cash outs.

Pre cash out they spin 100% differently and I feel they know what's up, they aren't gonna just hand money out, they have ways to draw it back in I believe
Oh no, don't think that. I too have plenty of tin foil moments, the difference is i gave up looking for a pattern because it drives you/me nuts. :oops: :D .... I go mostly with my gut feeling now, much more relaxed and enjoyable sessions. :)

And i certainly do experience similar things happening once in a while, patterns in slot play are common but never repeat themselves every time.......quite often i can predict a bonus round on a slot to within 1-5 spins and that goes on for a few sessions....and every time i will be spot on.... only for it to abruptly change again. Did the casino or game provider realize i raised my bet every time just before the bonus round and pushed a button to kick me in the b*tt? :rolleyes: Who knows, but basically tin foil conspiracy theory.
 

Jono777

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Here's another one for the tin foil crew (including myself :oops:)

I sometimes think (and almost believe it too!) that the slots are irrespective / irrelevant.

What I mean is (and I'm sure we've all experienced this a few times) It doesn't matter what game we play, what stake, how many spins we do, you will still lose.

Almost as if it is decided the moment we log in whether it will be a wining or a losing session, game choice will make zero difference.

What makes me think this from time to time (obviously more so after a winning streak suddenly turns cold) is that the odds for supposedly 'random' games to ALL be losers, despite changing games several times must be 1,000's to one!

For this to happen 5 sessions on the trot must be Millions to one.

These discussions, theories, thoughts will unfortunately 'haunt' us forever, the truth will never be told!
 

chris87

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Interesting you mention this as I meant to add that not only do I feel cold at the casino I won money but every casino I try right now Is nothin but an instant cash sink. I thought well I'll dabble at a few others and I literally can't do anything anywhere... And I just find the whole thing peculiar. Do you think it's simply IP addresses they crack down on?

Be interesting to get a different ip address and go spin some and see what happens.
I note what Harry says about different IP addresses not making a difference, but it does make me wonder (multiple bonus abuse issues aside) whether this is why casinos are so against players having multiple accounts?!!

(Think my tin foil hat is firmly on now!)

Chris
 
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goatwack

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You both are describing what i call the winner blues. Slots play is 5% luck and 95% psychology! :eek:

A slot is all but predictable. Getting to a sizeable balance or a withdrawal does not change how a slot runs. But the trap we players mostly fall into is one the winner blues and two that we play mostly the same slots.

- you made it from 20 --> 60:
"oh, this is running well today, lets stay a little longer or increase my bets, maybe i am in for the monster hit today, i can feel it." ....you loose some of the balance and now you start chasing losing even more to the point where you think: "i might as well stay on it now, no need to change the slot, it should/must pick-up again" .....which 98/100 never happens.

- you won a sizeable amount and withdrew:
a few days later you go back to the SAME slot thinking: "i should be able to do this again". You are even looking for similar patterns as in the previous session but of course it all runs different. Now your saying: "This can't be true, it is not the same slot, they rigged it to get the money i won back.... well, I'll show them I'm smarter, I will win again, lets put one more deposit in, i know it will run better soon" ....you pump in more money, get more frustrated, tin foil hat getting bigger and the will to win it all back as well.

Both cases end up in misery 98 or even 99/100. :oops:

And there is a good reason for it: A lot players have to lose, many even in a dreadful way with a very low RTP, for one or two players to get that run with 400-500% RTP. I have studied the VS battles and can give you the perfect example as it repeats itself over and over again:

--> Jimmy Hendrix battle (low variance slot, so you will win the battle most likely with a 250-300% RTP over the 100 spins and will have more than usual medium winners)

- 451 players registered and 438 played the spins
- total 43.800 spins played which is a good sample size
- 2 players at the top got past the 250% RTP mark
- about 14 between 200-250%
- another 100 between 100-200%
- on the low end over 100 barely got 50% RTP or less

So from 438 you have
- 16 getting a really good run, that is one in 27 or 4%,
- about 100 are in the medium category, that is one in 4.4 or 22%,
- the reminder of 74% are losers with some 25% really bad losers with a RTP of 50% or lower.

In straight numbers if you do 100 sessions, you should see 96% sessions that are really bad to OK and only 4% really good ones. Hence, the feeling that it runs bad comes up naturally as most of the time you will have a mediocre run.


And this on a low variance slot!! Just imagine how much worse these numbers will look for high variance slots like DOA! :eek:
You had me until you spelt lose as 'loose'. Two brownie points deducted just for that!

I respect your point and expect to gradually lose whenever I play over extended play. But my personal observations stand and the abrupt nature of some slot play does feel like the lights have been turned off and I've been asked to close the door behind me.

It's simply a feeling and not based on statistical facts, and most certainly brought on by playing demon-variance slots almost exclusively :thumbsup:

I'm due a good win myself and no doubt will revert back to common sense once my cold streak is over!
 

Harry_BKK

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You had me until you spelt lose as 'loose'. Two brownie points deducted just for that!

I respect your point and expect to gradually lose whenever I play over extended play. But my personal observations stand and the abrupt nature of some slot play does feel like the lights have been turned off and I've been asked to close the door behind me.

It's simply a feeling and not based on statistical facts, and most certainly brought on by playing demon-variance slots almost exclusively :thumbsup:

I'm due a good win myself and no doubt will revert back to common sense once my cold streak is over!
Sorry for the spelling mistake :oops:

Had that happening on DOA playing some CB. From 15 - 112 in 150 spins with low bets, up to 0.45-0.90 and it turned into the usual monster taking 517 spins to the next bonus round. By that time i was down to 24$ and it paid 6x bet :oops:

I knew it would happen yet i stayed staunchly as if i have to prove a point. :rolleyes:
 
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