They aren't allowed to come back, their accounts are just an extension of their deceptive ways.
We have methods of detecting people who slip back in. Banning IPs is not the way to go since like Winbig mentioned, it could block out chunks of people. Flying under the radar really isn't that hard, and it's a frustration of every board administrator - especially boards the size of this one, but it's easy to detect when one looks into these people's accounts.
We have on average 15-20 new members per day. Each one of these accounts are reviewed for spammers and other miscreants. We also have software that detects bots (30-50 per day). These IPs are usually blocked, but sometimes a dolphin gets caught in the tuna net. Just today XOXOXOXO got snagged as a bot
Simply put, we are always on the look out for a-holes who like to waste our time with these juvenile games. The thing is we do catch many - you just aren't aware of it since it's not made public that often.
Fcat uses numerous proxy servers. One time it was pretty funny. I was watching her log in (with one of her banned accounts before it was banned), and as she logged in, I would ban that IP. A minute later she'd log in with a different IP. I'd ban that one, and she'd use another. It was rather silly entertainment
Oh, life of a webmaster
...all I'm saying is...there's got to be a better, faster way of outing these folks my friend...
I don't mean to start something, what is a bot I have asked in other threads and haven't got an answer yet. would someone please answer please.
The casinos do it everyday...
I understand but she asked to have a leave of absence for a while also a while back for a cooling down period on her gambling at one time too..this was what I was referring too..unbeknown to us, it was due to her chargebacks she took this leave of absence from here..so once you ask to take a leave of absence, I think Bryan is on top of things regardless of the reason..
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They aren't allowed to come back, their accounts are just an extension of their deceptive ways.
We have methods of detecting people who slip back in. Banning IPs is not the way to go since like Winbig mentioned, it could block out chunks of people. Flying under the radar really isn't that hard, and it's a frustration of every board administrator - especially boards the size of this one, but it's easy to detect when one looks into these people's accounts.
We have on average 15-20 new members per day. Each one of these accounts are reviewed for spammers and other miscreants. We also have software that detects bots (30-50 per day). These IPs are usually blocked, but sometimes a dolphin gets caught in the tuna net. Just today XOXOXOXO got snagged as a bot
Simply put, we are always on the look out for a-holes who like to waste our time with these juvenile games. The thing is we do catch many - you just aren't aware of it since it's not made public that often.
Fcat uses numerous proxy servers. One time it was pretty funny. I was watching her log in (with one of her banned accounts before it was banned), and as she logged in, I would ban that IP. A minute later she'd log in with a different IP. I'd ban that one, and she'd use another. It was rather silly entertainment
Oh, life of a webmaster
The casinos situation is similar to a forum's. Even the casino doesn't realize that a player isn't who they say they are until that player slips up. At that point they ban the player's account, and not their IP. Even if a player was banned from playing at that particular casino, they can still connect to it....and even register a new account for whatever reason...then the cycle starts all over again.
In some instances, a small rural area for example. if you were to ban a block of IP addresses, or even a single IP, you might be banning a whole bunch of people. Sort of like using a shotgun to kill a roach - overkill.
Jas, I think "maybe" Bryan meant to say that XOXOXO got MISTAKENLY snagged as a bot. The way it was written sort of implied that they were a bot, and I don't think that's the case, lol.
But I am curious as to who you think it may be....does it start with an "M"?
That's right, it was some sort of glitch.... but the first thing i thought of when I was "banned" was i have to get a life myself and stop wasting so much time online...Jas, I think "maybe" Bryan meant to say that XOXOXO got MISTAKENLY snagged as a bot. The way it was written sort of implied that they were a bot, and I don't think that's the case, lol.
But I am curious as to who you think it may be....does it start with an "M"?
Yea, I do understand the "IP Ban" broad range issue purdy well since I've been familiar with anonymizers and proxies for a few years now and have even used them on occasion. It would only work if in fact the end user was only using a dedicated IP address. But still they could switch to an anonymizer or proxy later and the issue would be on again so I think it would take a combination of the items I have listed above to totally solve this problem, but they need to be implemented and tested first...but hey, you have to start somewhere...
True.....this could be done using Java, but not anything else (and work 100% of the time). There's a way to get a MAC address using activeX, but even then that will only work with IE and not FF. IE: A huge loophole
One could use a java program when a user signs up, which would grab their MAC address and store it in a database. If that same user tries to create another account, the java program would check their MAC address against those in the database and if there's a match, deny registration.
The only issue I see is that it'll take quite awhile before it'll start catching people....
You know what pinababy, maybe I'm not cured afterall..when you said I would be an exception rather than the rule, it made me feel guilty..Afterall, I still do play, of course not like I use to but I still play..
I feel like I don't because I play maybe twice a month as oppose to 10 hours a day 7 days a week for 5 years, but I do play..
I know you weren't speaking to me in general but you gave me lots to think about..there's one thing that I won't do, and that's lie to myself as I did for years..a point well taken, thanks..
Sorry Rob, I'll end it here, I know I keep going astray, lol.
Moi sorry alsoThanks for that Luigi. I hope you mean what you say...about at least giving it some thought. If so, that's a major breakthrough. Lying to yourself is quite common with any addiction, it's called justification. You tell yourself it's all right to just play once in a while, because it's less than what you used to play. But if you really think about it, you know what's going to happen...a month down the road, or six months, whatever.
This is exactly why I'd like a section on here for this stuff. I was even giving it more thought, and wondered about a "private" forum on here maybe. Not everyone is as open as you about how this has affected you, and maybe a private forum would allow people to open up a bit more. Like I said, if we can help even one or two people along the way...that is a major accomplishment.
I'd also like to see operators involved in it too.....so that we can discuss their policy as it relates to addiction, self-exclusion, etc. There are already a few more than willing to participate, so now I'll have to talk to Bryan I guess, lol. Bryan, when's a good time to send you a ten page email?
Rob.....shut up!!!
Seriously, you're right and I'm sorry to have derailed so far...but you know how I feel about this topic. I promise that's it for this thread, and I'll talk to Bryan about it and see what he thinks about the whole thing. I know it's a subject he cares about and that he takes very seriously.
but
Moi sorry also
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"Friends" don't pull stunts like that.
