When slots aren't hittin for you anywhere it's so demoralizing

[snorky510238]

Yes I know people do it, but it's not a valid strategy. There's no reason any other slot will be luckier than the one you're on (aside from rtp and variance differences).

And there’s no reason it won’t.

 

[Savatage79]

Yes I know people do it, but it's not a valid strategy. There's no reason any other slot will be luckier than the one you're on (aside from rtp and variance differences).

Says who? Well I racked up close to 100k recently in the last 2 years bouncing around, so it's pretty valid to me.

 

[snorky510238]

Says who? Well I racked up close to 100k recently in the last 2 years bouncing around, so it's pretty valid to me.

Yeah sitting there feeding a dead slot is a recipe for disaster as it very rarely turns in your favour. Slot hoppers United.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Why on earth would game programmers allow such an easily exploitable feature? If it made any difference, if you could honestly predict when a slot is hot or not we'd all be millionaires bouncing from one slot to the next then laughing all the way to the bank.
I know people think it helps but it's just confirmation bias at play, plus you'd never know all those times you'd left your "cold" machine five spins away from a jackpot.

 

[Savatage79]

Did I miss something here? Like... We got out of no where the slot police that has rolled in and tryin to lay down the law or something.

Who or what said anything is predictable? All I've ever said or asked and or done is I view it as games are maybe,, big maybe, hot or not... Somewhere at some time.

Maybe at slotocash nova 7s isn't hot for me lately but oh look I logged into casino extreme and I'm hitting decently, oh cool.. So I try to win some...thats it, that is all.

My whole point sometimes is it's hard to fathom "no" favorite game one may have being dead "at all times" on every casino.sincd they're all running on their own seperate instances . But that's simply a common mentality for anyone that's frustrated when on a cold streak.

In my experience i spread my money around in a session and yes there are times I can't hit a damn thing on one casino to go to another, same game and boom I rack up a nice cash out....i mean what exactly is there to even debate?? Nobody is talking about anything being predictable or exploitable, like...huh?

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Who or what said anything is predictable?

You did.

Says who? Well I racked up close to 100k recently in the last 2 years bouncing around, so it's pretty valid to me.

Play the game at a different casino, play it on your phone, play it hanging upside down, log out of the casino and back in, close the game and reopen it in Firefox, play it in the bath tub if you like. The chance of winning will be the same.

Thinking that changing casinos/games will offer you any benefit over the long run makes no logical sense but you're clearly committed to the system so it's no skin off my nose if you want to delude yourself.

 

[Savatage79]

You did.



Play the game at a different casino, play it on your phone, play it hanging upside down, log out of the casino and back in, close the game and reopen it in Firefox, play it in the bath tub if you like. The chance of winning will be the same.

Thinking that changing casinos/games will offer you any benefit over the long run makes no logical sense but you're clearly committed to the system so it's no skin off my nose if you want to delude yourself.

I've never said that it's a guarantee anywhere, I've said it has worked for me... And it generally has. Changing games and or casinos in sessions simply means you're getting games at all different intervals, therefore who knows what the results will and can be.

There it such a thing as a dead or cold slot, I'm not going to keep throwing money into it after I've already done so. But if I enjoy that game I'll simply move to another casino in hopes that maybe I get lucky.. .how or why is this even a debatable concept in one's journey to try and be lucky?

Just because you believe that it makes zero difference doesn't mean you're right nor I saying anyone who does exactly what I'm doing will win, it's been a thing that has worked for me multiple times so what more do you want ?

 

[snorky510238]

You did.



Play the game at a different casino, play it on your phone, play it hanging upside down, log out of the casino and back in, close the game and reopen it in Firefox, play it in the bath tub if you like. The chance of winning will be the same.

Thinking that changing casinos/games will offer you any benefit over the long run makes no logical sense but you're clearly committed to the system so it's no skin off my nose if you want to delude yourself.

You’ve obviously tried all these things!!! You must just be unlucky as I always win when I hang upside down.

 

[SlotGrinder]

If you get frustrated with slots try poker for a week . After the 10th time your AA gets cracked by K4 you will be longing for a session of deadspins on DoA

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Just because you believe that it makes zero difference doesn't mean you're right

Well no, but what if someone who built the slots said so? @trancemonkey ? Paging Dr. Monkey to the OR.

 

[Borgie]

You’ve obviously tried all these things!!! You must just be unlucky as I always win when I hang upside down.

I try and do a tripple spin between button presses . Made all the difference to my win lose ratio ......

 

[Savatage79]

Well no, but what if someone who built the slots said so? @trancemonkey ? Paging Dr. Monkey to the OR.

Doesn't mean a single thing to me, I'll play how I want to play

 

[snorky510238]

I try and do a tripple spin between button presses . Made all the difference to my win lose ratio ......

Just imagine the profit if you could fit a fourth spin in there. Not recommended though as a couple of my friends have ended up in hospital trying it.

 

[trancemonkey]

Doesn't mean a single thing to me, I'll play how I want to play

We all have our own ways to play.
Yes statistically it makes no difference, but psychologically it does... I move off a slot after a big win because I know they are rare, so I've beaten the statistics...

What they aren't is rigged. Or connected. Or changing based on date or time or weather.

Forget this line of thought as it's wrong.

But if you have a method you think works for you... so what. Yes it might be BS statistically but we know from all these threads that beliefs trump facts most of the time

 

[Savatage79]

We all have our own ways to play.
Yes statistically it makes no difference, but psychologically it does... I move off a slot after a big win because I know they are rare, so I've beaten the statistics...

What they aren't is rigged. Or connected. Or changing based on date or time or weather.

Forget this line of thought as it's wrong.

But if you have a method you think works for you... so what. Yes it might be BS statistically but we know from all these threads that beliefs trump facts most of the time

I think tho sometimes a forum isn't conveying what ones true thoughts are, especially when they're frustrated.

I'll try to reiterate, when we lose its easy to say it's rigged or controlled... That's natural as I'm sure many say that. Deep down I know they aren't rigged, because if I truly felt they were rigged I totally wouldn't play. I've won decent money so I know it's doable.

Its fun to vent when you're upset, and then after I do I have a nice session and all is well.. That's what this thread merely is.

You said yourself after a nice hit you move away from that slot since you've beaten the odds and I'm guessing go to a new slot, that's simply all I'm referring to when I move around as a portion of the time it's a nice session on one casino and I'm lookin for that good session hopefully somewhere else.

Like you also said they're not connected, which I know... But it sometimes just feels that they are when every deposit is identical in terms of not even being able to even get play time.. Deposit to zero, deposit to zero etc... Like 20 times at times and more....those odds just seem weird at times but like I said above when you're frustrated it's easy to say that.

I just move around in hopes to find a lucky session, that's really all I do. If I hit a casino for 5 to 10k recently like you said you beat the odds so move on, and that's simply what I was conveying above. My mindset is if I'm not hittin here then hopefully I'll hit over there....its just luck,, nothin more

 

[labeled]

This thread has turned decidedly & unnecessarily hostile. Dude, part of playing is the "fun" of hitting. So if you're sitting on a slot that's dead do you just sit there, day after day, deposit after deposit? No, you try some other game you like, so see if it's hitting for you. Part of "luck" is being at the right place/right time. Online gaming is no different. Games are set by the provider/creator w/a certain rtp. If one game is playing poorly, why wouldn't you try to find one that's meeting its programmed rtp?

 

[Playford7]

This thread has turned decidedly & unnecessarily hostile. Dude, part of playing is the "fun" of hitting. So if you're sitting on a slot that's dead do you just sit there, day after day, deposit after deposit? No, you try some other game you like, so see if it's hitting for you. Part of "luck" is being at the right place/right time. Online gaming is no different. Games are set by the provider/creator w/a certain rtp. If one game is playing poorly, why wouldn't you try to find one that's meeting its programmed rtp?

Pretty sure ‘trancemonkey’ agrees with you from a players point of view.
Also loads of us play on ‘instinct’ and ‘feelings’
Nothing wrong with that and nobody has said there is.
But sadly there is a true side to it ‘facts’ this can’t be argued with.
Just play how you want, use your own ‘method’ mate, honestly it’s all as random as hell.
I also can’t seem to find any hostility

 

[Savatage79]

This thread has turned decidedly & unnecessarily hostile. Dude, part of playing is the "fun" of hitting. So if you're sitting on a slot that's dead do you just sit there, day after day, deposit after deposit? No, you try some other game you like, so see if it's hitting for you. Part of "luck" is being at the right place/right time. Online gaming is no different. Games are set by the provider/creator w/a certain rtp. If one game is playing poorly, why wouldn't you try to find one that's meeting its programmed rtp?

Exactly Labeled, I simply assumed it was just how everyone rolled. If one casino is doing nothin for me and I'm x amount of bucks deep, jumping to a new casino might yield a better session...i don't get why anyone would jump on that

 

[Playford7]

Exactly Labeled, I simply assumed it was just how everyone rolled. If one casino is doing nothin for me and I'm x amount of bucks deep, jumping to a new casino might yield a better session...i don't get why anyone would jump on that

There is no facts behind that.
I’ve played at ikibu mega amounts last year, probably 100’s of losing deposits.
Yet 3/4 sessions at casumo gave me massive profit.
It’s nice to think changing games or casinos make a difference, sadly in reality it makes no difference.
It only makes a player feel better

 

[zreb]

If the slots are fair (not rigged or anything), there's no rational reason to change to a different one when losing. But changing won't hurt you either, so by all means go for it if it makes you happy.

 

[Savatage79]

There is no facts behind that.
I’ve played at ikibu mega amounts last year, probably 100’s of losing deposits.
Yet 3/4 sessions at casumo gave me massive profit.
It’s nice to think changing games or casinos make a difference, sadly in reality it makes no difference.
It only makes a player feel better

Right, it's something I assumed most just do if a slot is absolutely dead. I never said anything factual, that's why I said that it "might yield a better session than what I was experiencing.

 

[Savatage79]

If the slots are fair (not rigged or anything), there's no rational reason to change to a different one when losing. But changing won't hurt you either, so by all means go for it if it makes you happy.

Why would anyone sit endlessly on a slot that is zero fun by doing absolute shit ?

 

[zreb]

Why would anyone sit endlessly on a slot that is zero fun by doing absolute shit ?

Because it's not "doing" absolute shit. It's "done" absolute shit. Past tense. If it's a fair slot, it's just as random now as when it started.

If you stay at the same slot, it may keep losing, or it may turn around and win.

If you move to a new slot, you may keep losing, or you may turn it around and win.

The difference is only psychological. If moving to a new game feels like a psychological reset and makes you happier, by all means go for it. Most of the time, you're not going to get your money back by switching to a new slot (of course you will sometimes). Which is the exact same as if you stayed - you'd usually lose and occasionally get it all back.

If your own perception and experience tells you otherwise, you've simply been tricked by the randomness and variation that's inherent to gambling. We as people aren't good at watching patterns without bias and selective memory, and when you mix that in with the huge variance that can be present with slots - variance which can on rare occasion last for months without returning to normal - it's not surprising if you find that one method appears to work better than another for you. But in reality, switching to another casino has zero influence on your chance if both casinos offer the exact same game.

Some people have the exact opposite perception as you - that if a slot isn't paying, it's "due" to pay it back. But I would tell them the same thing - it's completely random, and your odds are the exact same as when you started.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Because it's not "doing" absolute shit. It's "done" absolute shit. Past tense. If it's a fair slot, it's just as random now as when it started.

If you stay at the same slot, it may keep losing, or it may turn around and win.

If you move to a new slot, you may keep losing, or you may turn it around and win.

The difference is only psychological. If moving to a new game feels like a psychological reset and makes you happier, by all means go for it. Most of the time, you're not going to get your money back by switching to a new slot (of course you will sometimes). Which is the exact same as if you stayed - you'd usually lose and occasionally get it all back.

If your own perception and experience tells you otherwise, you've simply been tricked by the randomness and variation that's inherent to gambling. We as people aren't good at watching patterns without bias and selective memory, and when you mix that in with the huge variance that can be present with slots - variance which can on rare occasion last for months without returning to normal - it's not surprising if you find that one method appears to work better than another for you. But in reality, switching to another casino has zero influence on your chance if both casinos offer the exact same game.

Some people have the exact opposite perception as you - that if a slot isn't paying, it's "due" to pay it back. But I would tell them the same thing - it's completely random, and your odds are the exact same as when you started.

What he said.

 

[Savatage79]

Because it's not "doing" absolute shit. It's "done" absolute shit. Past tense. If it's a fair slot, it's just as random now as when it started.

If you stay at the same slot, it may keep losing, or it may turn around and win.

If you move to a new slot, you may keep losing, or you may turn it around and win.

The difference is only psychological. If moving to a new game feels like a psychological reset and makes you happier, by all means go for it. Most of the time, you're not going to get your money back by switching to a new slot (of course you will sometimes). Which is the exact same as if you stayed - you'd usually lose and occasionally get it all back.

If your own perception and experience tells you otherwise, you've simply been tricked by the randomness and variation that's inherent to gambling. We as people aren't good at watching patterns without bias and selective memory, and when you mix that in with the huge variance that can be present with slots - variance which can on rare occasion last for months without returning to normal - it's not surprising if you find that one method appears to work better than another for you. But in reality, switching to another casino has zero influence on your chance if both casinos offer the exact same game.

Some people have the exact opposite perception as you - that if a slot isn't paying, it's "due" to pay it back. But I would tell them the same thing - it's completely random, and your odds are the exact same as when you started.

But everything you said goes without saying. When I move slots, change games or change casinos.. .it may or may not work, I fully 1000% understand this. I don't think anything you're saying is magical gospel rather than your "opinion" on how you would go about it.

Everything you said ended with it may or may not work, it's completely random .. So it doesn't matter if I move to 20 casinos a night or sit at one, the chances are all the same... But that takes me back to my original sentiment then as to why even debate this with someone?

Like you said there are some that'll stay on a dead slot and feel it's due and some that move on, both are viable .. Why then are we having this discussion??

 

[snorky510238]

Imo slots run hot and cold if you play a game often enough you get a feeling for it and you know whether it’s hot/cold or just ticking over so if you get the feeling it’s stone cold why wouldn’t you move to another casino where it might play better. Through experience I find if it’s cold and you stick with it you hardly ever see it turn around.

 

[zreb]

But everything you said goes without saying. When I move slots, change games or change casinos.. .it may or may not work, I fully 1000% understand this. I don't think anything you're saying is magical gospel rather than your "opinion" on how you would go about it.

The point isn't that it may or may not work, the point is the that your chance of winning is the same either way. That's not an opinion, it's either right or wrong.

Everything you said ended with it may or may not work, it's completely random .. So it doesn't matter if I move to 20 casinos a night or sit at one, the chances are all the same... But that takes me back to my original sentiment then as to why even debate this with someone?

Like you said there are some that'll stay on a dead slot and feel it's due and some that move on, both are viable .. Why then are we having this discussion??

It doesn't matter, that's what we've been saying. No one is trying to tell you how you should play. But we are having the conversation because you argue against anyone who says this.

Everyone has said if you want to play that way, go ahead. The only argument is whether or not it makes a difference. You've said things like "there is such a thing as a cold or dead slot," and "Why would anyone sit endlessly on a slot that is zero fun by doing absolute shit ?" - these make it unclear if you understand or not the fact that what you call a "cold" slot has just as good a chance of hitting a win as it did when you first started playing it. Most people who use terms like "cold slot" don't truly believe that each spin is independent form the last.

If you understand that, then great, we're all agreed and everyone can be happy. So at this point, anything we say would probably just be rehashing the same things over and over, so I'm happy to leave the conversation there.


*(If you want to be technical the variance of two games could be different and slightly affect your chance of winning, but that could be a very small boost or detriment, so we'll call it a wash. If you were choosing a game based on variance, then whether you had won or lost previously is irrelevant.)

 

[shadow123]

Best thing to by far is give gambling a break, can re set the brain, and makes you a bit calmer if you want to resume.

 

[Savatage79]

The point isn't that it may or may not work, the point is the that your chance of winning is the same either way. That's not an opinion, it's either right or wrong.



It doesn't matter, that's what we've been saying. No one is trying to tell you how you should play. But we are having the conversation because you argue against anyone who says this.

Everyone has said if you want to play that way, go ahead. The only argument is whether or not it makes a difference. You've said things like "there is such a thing as a cold or dead slot," and "Why would anyone sit endlessly on a slot that is zero fun by doing absolute shit ?" - these make it unclear if you understand or not the fact that what you call a "cold" slot has just as good a chance of hitting a win as it did when you first started playing it. Most people who use terms like "cold slot" don't truly believe that each spin is independent form the last.

If you understand that, then great, we're all agreed and everyone can be happy. So at this point, anything we say would probably just be rehashing the same things over and over, so I'm happy to leave the conversation there.


*(If you want to be technical the variance of two games could be different and slightly affect your chance of winning, but that could be a very small boost or detriment, so we'll call it a wash. If you were choosing a game based on variance, then whether you had won or lost previously is irrelevant.)

But everything you've said I already knew about slots. My point earlier was out of frustration we all have said things to blow off steam about it, doesn't change that we all are hunting for a slot to pay out in whatever manner we can..

When I said who wants to play a cold slot endlessly that's just a figure of speech, but there does come a time when if a slot is doing nothing that some feel it's time to move on and sure maybe others don't... Who cares ultimately? I've been in both spots and played the same slot for hours until it finally hits and then times I've played it for hours and it never did do anything, but when I switched to a new casino or re entered the slot in seconds I had a feature and nice hit..

Its all random, I get that.. Everyone has their own way to play the difference is I Dont feel compelled to go and school someone on their way of spinning to try and correct their way of thinking, who cares about all the silly little technical semantics if in the end its all random as we've all come to agree on.

 

[Savatage79]

This sums up my play recently

 

[xxshepxx]

Having my own cold spell at the moment.

Right off the back of an excellent spell spanning Oct, Nov, Dec and January

I'm not a big player, very much a lowish roller, deposits of £20-30 I reckon over the 4 months I was £15k up, some once in a lifetime hits, and bought some nice things and had an awesome Xmas, I'm limiting my play now as I've. Oticed a swing in the other direction and I wouldn't want to undo all the good work.

It's swings and roundabouts, it's gambling, we can't win every time or casinos wouldn't exist.

 

[snorky510238]

Having my own cold spell at the moment.

Right off the back of an excellent spell spanning Oct, Nov, Dec and January

I'm not a big player, very much a lowish roller, deposits of £20-30 I reckon over the 4 months I was £15k up, some once in a lifetime hits, and bought some nice things and had an awesome Xmas, I'm limiting my play now as I've. Oticed a swing in the other direction and I wouldn't want to undo all the good work.

It's swings and roundabouts, it's gambling, we can't win every time or casinos wouldn't exist.

That’s strange I am a low roller and my recent play replicates exactly what you have experienced (although not such a high profit). I am reluctant to deposit because I too feel the tide has turned.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Coincidentally the end of last year and beginning of january have been great, but after that despite some decent hits most of my deposits went fast...

But I can't really complain, overall I'm still in profit ever since I started playing which is mostly due to 1 really big hit and after that it's been up and down all the time. I haven't had to invest a single cent of "fresh" money since over a year ago, I've always been recycling the money from that big win.

 

[dreamguardian1]

Well after removing casinomax for a couple months I decided to reinstall it and see if anything had changed. Ran a "random test" yesterday got it about up to 800 then was llosing so cashed out. Today went back, removed withdrawal I done this for a reason to see if my "theory" was sound" Sure enough every single spin losing and every spin was pretty much predicatable, slots kept missing bonuses and bonuses when hit was like really low one bonus wasn't even a bonus was 0.00. So it just showed its not random IN MY OPINION. Im sticking with Vegas2web for now, at least theres I know for a fact are random. Not to mention the playthrough is a lot less than most casinos depending on the bonus used.

 

[Savatage79]

Honestly and I hate saying this because I really like Mikey, so it's definitely nothing personal but I am finding casino extreme and brango tough to swallow anymore. I want one single cashout to just feel like I can restart, and the slots at both of those are so boring.. And by boring I mean very little action in general, I'll spin for an hour or two in Nova 7s going from 50 dollars back to 30, back to 50, until it finally just does nothing.. No fun hits yet really, the expanding wilds don't expand often, the bonus rounds are many times under 5 bucks... It's just bad. But yet I know they get praised so I keep tryin

Sloto while it's not always a win, the reels just seem to always have fun. I'll get that 100 to 200 to 3 or 400 dollar hit that sets up my night occasionally things happen.. The reels expand, it's just exciting every spin.

But now sloto what sucks is I deposit like 2 times and I get blocked from doing any more, and I have no idea why.

 

[labeled]

Yanno what would be cool? If affiliates had to be labeled as such. Because the equivalent of "gambling, man," carries questionable weight on a site that doesn't care about US players anymore... But sure. Gambling, man .rng is the worst.