Question When are the online stake limits coming in? Should have been introduced in September

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The previous government, following the white paper release, introduced a max stake of £2/5, no sign of this as of yet. When will the new government introduce this? some casinos already have it in place but some continue to go crazy on max stake!
 
new limits 😂
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Damn delays..... Look at all the Dunover Bonanza videos we've missed out on now :p :p
LOL I quit anyway, bored with it months ago, not played since early August. Don't miss it at all, regardless of stakes.
 
I should think the operators want to know when it is as well as the software/slots need to be updated. How are they going to amend the max stake from £5 to £2 for under 25s, that will be interesting and I imagine that may take some time to sort. Apparently if a casino can't do it then it will be £2 for everyone.
integrations have changed where a value is send upon game start, this will decide the max stake as per age in account. I've already completed this change on our end, so when it becomes mandatory all I need to do is wait for the providers to change stake limits on their end.

Its already tested on staging too, where it works for all operators, except games global :)
 
integrations have changed where a value is send upon game start, this will decide the max stake as per age in account. I've already completed this change on our end, so when it becomes mandatory all I need to do is wait for the providers to change stake limits on their end.

Its already tested on staging too, where it works for all operators, except games global :)
I did read somewhere that it looks like it will be February for legislation to become active in April 2025. The there are the loss limits of £250 per month per casino. Seems like a lot of work to be done still, but if you say you have already tested it and ready to go I suppose other casinos have done similar
 
Not heard of this one... there is a similar one where they are doing background checks for £500 per month (which will reduce to £150 at the end of February), but that one was already deployed across the online industry in August 2024.
Ah sorry yeah it was £150. I have been on a few and they ask me for proof of earnings etc when I hit £250 loss over the month. It can be frustrating as if you deposit another 50 pounds you may be able to get the 250 back, I suppose everyone loses out, but the protection of the player is what is important. I can see the whole industry changing a lot in the next 6 to 12 months
 
The max stake on that game should be 50p. You could still lose a fortune. Just shows how not with it, these governing bodies (if of course they exist in the format we are led to believe), are.

In all honesty, what percentage of the population can afford to do £100 spins and not miss the money? It’s very easy to lose £20 playing at 20p in15 minutes. Convert that into £100 spins and you’re looking at the very real possibility of losing 40k in an hour. Who the hell can afford that?
 
The max stake on that game should be 50p. You could still lose a fortune. Just shows how not with it, these governing bodies (if of course they exist in the format we are led to believe), are.

In all honesty, what percentage of the population can afford to do £100 spins and not miss the money? It’s very easy to lose £20 playing at 20p in15 minutes. Convert that into £100 spins and you’re looking at the very real possibility of losing 40k in an hour. Who the hell can afford that?

Roshtein, Chipmonk off the top of my head :p
 
But, can they or is it the Casino’s money and they’re just the promo guys?

Obviously my joke "fell on stony ground" mate lol, They're just 2 of the biggest (and fakest) jokes in the iGaming universe.

No one and I mean no one who isn't a multi millionaire could sustain play at those bet sizes.

Even if I was a MM, I wouldn't play those bets, not even close to them.

Being really strict, I also feel developers shouldn't even offer those bets, it's just asking for trouble, not that they care.
 
Obviously my joke "fell on stony ground" mate lol, They're just 2 of the biggest (and fakest) jokes in the iGaming universe.

No one and I mean no one who isn't a multi millionaire could sustain play at those bet sizes.

Even if I was a MM, I wouldn't play those bets, not even close to them.

Being really strict, I also feel developers shouldn't even offer those bets, it's just asking for trouble, not that they care.
and that is why within a few months they won't be able to anymore once secondary legislation is finalised by the government, it will be 2/5 pounds max. But still at 2 pounds or 5 pounds a spins you can still lose 1000 pounds within 20 minutes! However I think that will be the maximum you will be able to lose anyway (if that much even) as there are the loss limits per month coming in as well so in reality you can maybe lose about 6k a month across loads of different casinos and then they will ask for proof of earnings etc then people will just walk away instead of giving that info!
 
Ah, I don’t watch streamers for the obvious reason, that from what I gather, it has to be fake. That’s what I mean about regulators. How would anyone in their right mind, who knows anything at all about slots, authorise £100 spins as being “okay”?

They obviously realised that they got it massively wrong with FOBTS and hung on until they could do nothing else before reducing roulette from £100 to £2 and then go and repeat the process online. Absolute joke and a complete bunch of clowns.
 
Thinking back, I did do a handful of £100 spins a couple of years back, how on earth did I forget!!!

Hit a quadruple wild line with 10 spins to go and got paid in 10 minutes

Brought 5 properties, 4 bed detached luxury homes, retired at 28 and live off the rent from them.

Honest.....
 
yeah the thing is it knows if you do the odd 40 or 60 pound spin, it will pay about x10 on a bonus and you think wow what was the point. The RTP has come down and this is all in preparation for what is about to happen next year and i think April could be the time they do it and it is all active
 
Of course the streamer high-stakes spins are real! I won the whole casino playing high stakes with a lucky feature once. For a real, genuine bit of streaming, no hat required:

 
I assume this was done via one of those fancy cheat panels you can get access to? Hilarious stuff
Well, yeah. Even GameArt demos don't pay out like that. :)
 
Not heard of this one... there is a similar one where they are doing background checks for £500 per month (which will reduce to £150 at the end of February), but that one was already deployed across the online industry in August 2024.
150 quid.. barely is a few days of shopping at ASDA, let alone sainsburys...
 
The original version of the article (if you're not sure on the trustworthiness of some random Australian news site) is at
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- to be fair to the site above they have basically copied the press release verbatim so no harm no foul in that regard.

Bit of a puff piece really - lots of quotes and pats on the back, not a lot of details beyond confirmation of a mandatory levy (of up to 1.1% GGY), and reconfirmation of the £2/£5 slot limits that should have already been in place.
 
The original version of the article (if you're not sure on the trustworthiness of some random Australian news site) is at
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- to be fair to the site above they have basically copied the press release verbatim so no harm no foul in that regard.

Bit of a puff piece really - lots of quotes and pats on the back, not a lot of details beyond confirmation of a mandatory levy (of up to 1.1% GGY), and reconfirmation of the £2/£5 slot limits that should have already been in place.
I still don't think these will come in until April. Definitely won't come in as early as January as there isn't enough time. It will be April at the latest given they need to give operators 6 or 8 weeks to implement the changes on their systems. But looks like something is actually moving now, it's been a long time coming but finally they are doing something
 
Hopefully it goes better than the 2.5 second spin limit did... 3 years on and it's still a clunky mess with some providers...
I think so, it's easy to set the max stake anyway nothing much to that. But you can still lose a lot in an hour at 5 pounds a spin or even 2 pounds a spin. It means that RTP will be reduced even further now. You won't be able to do the hi roller stakes on the light and wonder games like 10-20-30-40-50 pounds. It was always going to be a matter of time. I opened a midnite bet account last week, instantly sent me an email saying monthly loss limit of 250 pounds unless I can show evidence I can afford more. They did a background check once I got to 250. Its going to make it easier to spend more in the casinos and bookies as well as arcades in a few months time. But I suppose it is for the best
 
I think so, it's easy to set the max stake anyway nothing much to that. But you can still lose a lot in an hour at 5 pounds a spin or even 2 pounds a spin.
As mentioned in the new thread on this, I don't think it'll have the impact they are expecting - because the highest risk categories right now will be watching monopoly money streamers, and those ultra-volatile slots will destroy bankrolls (and bank balances) at £2 and £5 a spin... could trivially lose £1000/£2500+ an hour chasing those 1 in 800 spin bonuses.

It means that RTP will be reduced even further now.
Not that they needed an excuse, but I guess it depends how many people are doing those kind of spins. It's a visible problem, but I suspect it's a fairly small percentage of GGY overall.

You won't be able to do the hi roller stakes on the light and wonder games like 10-20-30-40-50 pounds.
I think LnW said they were going to retire that format anyway, so doesn't change too much. I'm a little surprised they didn't rework it to be a multiple of stake - so 10p spins had e.g. £2/£3/£5 big bets.

We've already seen providers flirt with pre-gambles, so expect to see more of those in the near future...

I opened a midnite bet account last week, instantly sent me an email saying monthly loss limit of 250 pounds unless I can show evidence I can afford more. They did a background check once I got to 250. Its going to make it easier to spend more in the casinos and bookies as well as arcades in a few months time. But I suppose it is for the best
That seems reasonable. Remember this is mostly codifying existing procedures - particularly ones that some operators were abusing (by using excessive document requests as a faux-reverse mechanism). I don't think it makes things easier or harder necessarily, but will provide more clarity.
 
As mentioned in the new thread on this, I don't think it'll have the impact they are expecting - because the highest risk categories right now will be watching monopoly money streamers, and those ultra-volatile slots will destroy bankrolls (and bank balances) at £2 and £5 a spin... could trivially lose £1000/£2500+ an hour chasing those 1 in 800 spin bonuses.


Not that they needed an excuse, but I guess it depends how many people are doing those kind of spins. It's a visible problem, but I suspect it's a fairly small percentage of GGY overall.


I think LnW said they were going to retire that format anyway, so doesn't change too much. I'm a little surprised they didn't rework it to be a multiple of stake - so 10p spins had e.g. £2/£3/£5 big bets.

We've already seen providers flirt with pre-gambles, so expect to see more of those in the near future...


That seems reasonable. Remember this is mostly codifying existing procedures - particularly ones that some operators were abusing (by using excessive document requests as a faux-reverse mechanism). I don't think it makes things easier or harder necessarily, but will provide more clarity.
yeah the 10p/20p stakes making it a 1 and 2 pound hi roller might come in, means smaller wins but easier to get a bonus, although those 2 or 3 quid spins will soon mount up and as you say the bankroll could soon go down several hundred within 10 or 20 minutes. But then they will stop you anyway with the loss limit amd the restrictions coming in on that. Then everyone will head off to land based casinos as they can't monitor you there like online
 
Then everyone will head off to land based casinos as they can't monitor you there like online
Oh they can... plenty of the youtube channels have mentioned they've had to do CDD ("SoW") for their level of play.

If you are using any kind of player card, then they have all the information they need... and even if you're not they can impose limits pretty quickly (naturally on "withdrawals", old habits die hard)
 
Oh they can... plenty of the youtube channels have mentioned they've had to do CDD ("SoW") for their level of play.

If you are using any kind of player card, then they have all the information they need... and even if you're not they can impose limits pretty quickly (naturally on "withdrawals", old habits die hard)
Cameras get you aswell if they see you feeding many many notes in on those roulette machines and slots as well, table roulette they know what you are doing anyway. But still think online will be easier to track. Basically 250 quid a month on each casino (although casinos owned by same brand will be across all their casinos). I suppose a handful of casinos will leave the UK market as a result
 
A friend of mine who works in a bookies actually said this is all rubbish and these changes will never come in. That's crazy, after spending all this time and money on consultations, white paper reports etc. Just a matter of time. The FOBTs were delayed a year before they were capped, same with online
 
I did read somewhere that it looks like it will be February for legislation to become active in April 2025. The there are the loss limits of £250 per month per casino. Seems like a lot of work to be done still, but if you say you have already tested it and ready to go I suppose other casinos have done similar
if you over 25 years old in Pokerstarts you get £5000 a month deposit limit, on loss no limits,
 
I dont thing so, Pokerstars never change any thing for many years, not sure how they do it,SkyBet also deal the same way like pokerstars
owned by the same company that's why. But with these checks coming in February next year a lot of players will have it capped anyway (unless you want to provide them with all your private info). so pokerstars can do what they like up to a certain point then I would imagine fines would be worse now. But expect RTP on slots to be a lot lower now
 
For the average UK gambler that really wants to give up Gamstop seems to do the job pretty well - although perhaps too well if a gambler just wants a short break rather than a more permanent block as apparently even when your selected period 'runs out' the operators can still see you've used it and get a bit...paranoid

I would actually argue some further focus needs to be done on land based where the max stake is already £2 / £5 (casino)

-Bookies / arcades (even some casinos) no membership required, just walk in and start losing your money!

Bookies still restricted to 4 FOBT per shop and close at 10PM, also seem to have implemented a chat with customers when they go over £500 in or whatever

Arcades on the other hand...

-The responsible gambling checks consist of 'how many sugars do you want in your tea'
-24x7x364 opening even in the small town centres where every other business has knocked off by 5:30pm
-They've absolutely flooded the high street now, because planners reckon it is better to have a unit in use than being empty...Admiral next door to a Merkur next door to a Admiral!
-Literally completely filled up with £500 terminals due to that handy little loophole where they can shove a cheap 10p/£5 coffee holder mini slot in between them or tablets that nobody ever plays to comply with the B3 / Cat C ratio restrictions

Of course it also took the game developers about half a second to figure out how to compensate for the loss of up to £100 spins, you can now watch bags go round a screen for 10 minutes for the entry cost of several hundred quid or a bar go up and down the screen for the privelege of a losing spin on roulette

Due to the no membership requirement it is also pretty impossible to self exclude across every single venue apart from maybe your local one where the staff know you

Crazy thinking about how you can walk down the high street, have a sausage roll in Greggs a pint in Wetherspoons then proceed to lose thousands in the local arcade
 
I got set a £100 loss limit on Sky about 2 years ago!!

Paddy Power who are owned by the same group have me at £5k a month!!
my deposit limit on Pokerstars is £5k daily net,but I never use it, I never know how this limit works, I thing they check credit score, post code etc,
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Well all these casinos doing unlimited slot stakes will need to sort themselves out very soon, once legislation is out then that will all go (six weeks to comply and get their software updated). I have got a betway account with a 5000 daily limit but when I hit 2200 loss they emailed me saying they have put a mandatory 2000 loss limit a month, I can still change it to unlimited but it has no effect, the betway hierarchy overrides my own limits. I assume this will be tightened further come February next year. As for land based casinos, yes I agree it will be easier to lose more there than online as there is no (or very little) monitoring. Staff just offer you drinks and then staff change every day, they don't keep an eye on who is spending what. Membership cards would sort that out by needing to swipe or tap in on a machine and that will track your profit/loss. Online is automatic, once you hit that limit you can't touch it anymore for 30 days. Online will end up being regulated more than in shop by next year. So in shop will need to find a way to catch up with the measures online will have.
 
For the average UK gambler that really wants to give up Gamstop seems to do the job pretty well - although perhaps too well if a gambler just wants a short break rather than a more permanent block as apparently even when your selected period 'runs out' the operators can still see you've used it and get a bit...paranoid

I would actually argue some further focus needs to be done on land based where the max stake is already £2 / £5 (casino)

-Bookies / arcades (even some casinos) no membership required, just walk in and start losing your money!

Bookies still restricted to 4 FOBT per shop and close at 10PM, also seem to have implemented a chat with customers when they go over £500 in or whatever

Arcades on the other hand...

-The responsible gambling checks consist of 'how many sugars do you want in your tea'
-24x7x364 opening even in the small town centres where every other business has knocked off by 5:30pm
-They've absolutely flooded the high street now, because planners reckon it is better to have a unit in use than being empty...Admiral next door to a Merkur next door to a Admiral!
-Literally completely filled up with £500 terminals due to that handy little loophole where they can shove a cheap 10p/£5 coffee holder mini slot in between them or tablets that nobody ever plays to comply with the B3 / Cat C ratio restrictions

Of course it also took the game developers about half a second to figure out how to compensate for the loss of up to £100 spins, you can now watch bags go round a screen for 10 minutes for the entry cost of several hundred quid or a bar go up and down the screen for the privelege of a losing spin on roulette

Due to the no membership requirement it is also pretty impossible to self exclude across every single venue apart from maybe your local one where the staff know you

Crazy thinking about how you can walk down the high street, have a sausage roll in Greggs a pint in Wetherspoons then proceed to lose thousands in the local arcade
I agree with this. In shop is so much easier to lose more than online now. And next year it will be worse. People will be restricted to how much they lose online with all the restrictions coming in which have already started now, so they will end up going into arcades etc be offered more drinks and just keep spinning!
 
Most of the limits being mentioned above look like defaults. I have one site that has a £99000 limit too... :cheerleader::rolleyes:

The "light touch" (their words) background checks will be done at £150 per month from the end of February, and I expect sites will then set a secondary limit from there... after which point people will be into the CDD/SoW merry-go-round.

Remember this calculation is done per site - so a problematic player can still do that on multiple sites and fly under the radar while losing a fortune... the alternative was the Single Customer View (SCV) project which is a mammoth invasion of privacy and was rightly shot down by the ICO.

Bookies still restricted to 4 FOBT per shop and close at 10PM, also seem to have implemented a chat with customers when they go over £500 in or whatever

Arcades on the other hand...
And that's why the Bookies have been scaling back... they used their own loophole (multiple premises) to allow them to have 8, 12, 16 FOBTs... because it was by far their best earner. I'm a little surprised they haven't moved into the AGC space themselves...

Now the Adult Gaming Centre meta has come along and eaten that lunch - Admiral and Merkur seems to be expanding into every space they can find - long hours, ridiculous numbers of machines, and already plenty of stories of people exhibiting gambling problems that are being ignored.

This will predictably get worse if and when the 50/50 rule comes in... because all those "£100" FOBT-style terminals can be switched to £500 overnight. Unlike the bookies (4 machines) and casinos (20/80/150 machines, with no, 2:1 or 5:1 table ratio respectively), there are no limits... so AGC's could quickly become the new "super casinos" on the sly...

... and you wonder why the industry is aggressively pushing for £1000 jackpots and similar, there is your answer!
 

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