Warning Don't Play Blackjack At Sunny Group

[murder1]

I am warning those of you who wants to play blackjack. Do it at someplace else besides Sunny Group. I have never written a complain as long as I've been here. But this rigging has to stop. Dealer will get whatever card it wants to win. I've lost to 21 6 hands in a row (Regular 2 hand BJ). I official quit playing there. Afterward, I went to play my last $200 on blackjack switch. The dealer shows a 6. First hand I am dealt 19. the second hand is 12. I hit the 2nd hands. (I know the rules says stand) I get an ace. I hit again I get an Ace. I stand the dealer turns over 3 along with the 6 and next card is an Ace. 20!!!!

2 nights ago I played at Casino Fortune and same thing happen playing there regular 2 hand blackjack. I lost 12/13 to dealer having 20 or greater. I contacted them and they gave me the same ole run around. I've been playing online since 1997 and no a cheat when i see it.

WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SUNNY GROUP CASINOS. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!

 

[Clayman]

Afterward, I went to play my last $200 on blackjack switch. The dealer shows a 6. First hand I am dealt 19. the second hand is 12. I hit the 2nd hands. (I know the rules says stand) I get an ace. I hit again I get an Ace. I stand the dealer turns over 3 along with the 6 and next card is an Ace. 20!!!!

First - you mean you not only hit a 12 vs 6 but also a 13 vs 6 in BJS? That's 2 mistakes in one hand. And you offer this as an example of crooked casinos? If you had stood, like you're supposed to, you would have halved the hand.

Second - it would be nice, if you're going to accuse casinos of cheating, to at least offer the overall results of your session rather than these pity-me-hard-to-believe snippets.

Third - you hunch players deserve what you get. Sorry if that sounds harsh.

 

[murder1]

Clay good one you Sunny Group informer POS. READ MY POST AGAIN! THERE WAS 3 ACES BACK TO BACK TO BACK. I WOULD HAVE LOST!!! I KNOW HOW TO PLAY BLACKJACK. I KNOW ALL THE RULES INCLUDING CARD COUNTING. I HAVE ALL MY HISTORY ON FILE AND CAN POST THEM INCLUDING LOSING 12/13 HANDS TO THE DEALER GETTING 20. SUNNY GROUP IS A RIP OFF! AND YOU SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN. I HOPE EVERYONE THAT READS THIS WILL NOT PLAY THERE AGAIN. AND WILL FIND SOMEWHERE BETTER THAT PLAYS FAIRLY. YOU CROOKS NEED TO BE INVADED.

 

[Clayman]

THERE WAS 3 ACES BACK TO BACK TO BACK. I WOULD HAVE LOST!!! I KNOW HOW TO PLAY BLACKJACK.

Sorry - you're right. I mis-read things. You would have lost anyway.

You still made 2 mistakes in one hand and intentionally, too. Which makes it worse because you actually know better but can't act on it. What is your excuse to intentionally make the wrong play twice? And then cry about the results.

So, do you or don't you, occasionally play hunches while playing BJ? Or is it only in BJS that you play hunches? No doubt you'll tell us that these are the only two plays you have ever made where you intentionally deviated from known BS.

And, if you have all your records, what were they? Even just a total W/L/T would be a start.

No need to shout. I think that diminishes you, not me.

 

[recruit]

Why the hostility???

Boys, boys, boys! Clayman, I think you need to back off a wee bit here....Murder was simply expressing frustration at what SOUNDS like a little more than just bad luck - can you honestly say that you haven't had the same suspcions when playing a particular game at any given casino? And when we are having an unusually strong streak of "bad luck", don't we all 'deviate' from the tride and true "rules of play" a little, in order to mix it up a little in hopes of changing the pattern? Did we forget to have our Wheaties this morning or WHAT???

 

[murder1]

OK CLAY...I am going to release my 2 hand regular BJ record from Sunny Group. People please give me your input on this matter.

 

[murder1]

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[murder1]

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[murder1]

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[murder1]

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[murder1]

Part 6 of 6. Sorry guys to waste space like this. Cayman works for Sunny Group and is trying to discredit me. I have played online casino long enough to know to take the bitter with the sweet. I haven't even post nearly the rigged quality of Games at Sunny Group from my other accounts. I for one have quit entirely. Sunny Group is running a crooked operation and need to be exposed for what their worth.

 

[GrandMaster]

Boys, boys, boys! Clayman, I think you need to back off a wee bit here....Murder was simply expressing frustration at what SOUNDS like a little more than just bad luck - can you honestly say that you haven't had the same suspcions when playing a particular game at any given casino? And when we are having an unusually strong streak of "bad luck", don't we all 'deviate' from the tride and true "rules of play" a little, in order to mix it up a little in hopes of changing the pattern? Did we forget to have our Wheaties this morning or WHAT???

Getting angry and deviating from correct strategy won't help you, of course.
Btw, the probability of the dealer getting 20 or 21 (including BJ) is about 30%, so it is not a rare event at all.

 

[m249a]

Whats wrong with it???

This is a unique forum here...everybody gambles and hopefully understands the swings. I for one have seen similar streaks at online and "real' casinos. I remember the last time I was in Atlantic city and saw not one, but 3 shoes in a row of dealer pulling 19 or better. It was so bad that at the end of the third shoe the pit boss changed cards. this was at a $100.00 min table. You can imangine the frustration @ that table. Now we all have had bad runs, and maybe some good ones too. I'm sure we all have played hunches, bet double to cover a big loss, or taken that shot for the big payday and seen it all go right into the dealers tray. If you play every hand the way its supposed to be played, what fun is it??? I for one am a 3 drink minimum gambler, I like to high five big wins, and yell at the dealer when I lose big. I tip well, and my host's take good care of me. I can understand his frustration, I can also understand the casino defending itself. Lets try not to be so harsh with the defense though. Maybe a nice comp, or a few free match plays to smooth things over would help. This entire industry needs to understand that if you don't take care of the players, we will find someone who will.

 

[jpm]

Amen to that m249a!

 

[recruit]

Yeah, Clayman, how 'bout it? Alittle bit of customer service can go a L-O-N-G way!!

 

[bethug]

I agree about playtec casinos, they can can be fixed . Playtec and boss is the only casino i cant triple my money in the real mode. It dont play the same way in the real mode at all.

You need to take the bonus at playtec casinos and when u come up cash out

 

[DealerBusts]

Boys, boys, boys! Clayman, I think you need to back off a wee bit here....Murder was simply expressing frustration at what SOUNDS like a little more than just bad luck - can you honestly say that you haven't had the same suspcions when playing a particular game at any given casino? And when we are having an unusually strong streak of "bad luck", don't we all 'deviate' from the tride and true "rules of play" a little, in order to mix it up a little in hopes of changing the pattern? Did we forget to have our Wheaties this morning or WHAT???

I for one never deviate from BS apart from the odd time when I've actually clicked the wrong button. Too many people go for the ESP tactic and try to guess the cards. I agree with Clayman that when you deviate from optimal play its going to cost you in the long term and then you've only got yourself to blame as you're going to see much bigger losses. Btw, Clayman's post was completely non-agressive and was trying to be helpful. I don't see why he should back off when its clear that its murders who is annoyed with losing and letting out a bit of steam.

Part 6 of 6. Sorry guys to waste space like this. Cayman works for Sunny Group and is trying to discredit me......

Losing 12/13 hands is going to happen sometime or another especially since you've been playing there since 1997. The more you play, the more you're going to lose. You're bound to see those long losing streaks . I've only played for 2 1/2 years and I've lost 11 in a row at an MG casino. I've gone down 140 units in BJ Switch. So whats new?

I do quite well at Playtech casinos. I almost always play with a bonus and take my losses when the wagering is met. The less you expose yourself to the HA the better even if no cheating is taking place. Again caution has to be taken when playing online but Playtech has been fair in terms of what I have cashed out.

Btw I don't think you should make unsubstantiated accusations about Clayman and I think you are way out of line. We all take a bad beating online occasionally and you just got to get yourself together or quit. Being upset is understandable but theres no need to take it out on other people. For your information, Clayman is a long time poster and online player at Winneronline and undeserving of the rubbbish you are spouting about him.

 

[jetset]

Clayman is one of the most respected gamblers on this board and others who has a balanced, analytical approach to playing that is worth reading with attention.

 

[Clayman]

Clayman,... - can you honestly say that you haven't had the same suspcions when playing a particular game at any given casino? And when we are having an unusually strong streak of "bad luck", don't we all 'deviate' from the tride and true "rules of play" a little, in order to mix it up a little in hopes of changing the pattern?

Hi recruit,
First - good luck with solving your other "problem". I have no children so I can only imagine just how much fun it can be. I'm sure the good far outweighs the bad.

But, to your question, no I can't say that I have ever felt that I was being dealt an unfair game. I keep track of my BJ hands just because I don't trust the casinos. I figure that way, if they're cheating me, I'll know it.

And, no, I never "mix it up a little" in hopes of changing a pattern. To me, that's insanity. What I like about BJ is that it's a black-and-white world with very little grey. I'd rather play the hand correctly and lose than vice-versa.

I certainly don't mind people venting over some bad luck but when they accuse entire software platforms of being rigged based on selected snippets of play, I guess, yes, it always bothers me a little.

I'm not sure I understood your later post about customer service but, if it means you think I'm a Sunnygroup person, I'm just another BJ player.

 

[Clayman]

OK CLAY...People please give me your input on this matter.

Thanks murder for posting these 24 hands. I appreciate your effort.

I'm not sure where they are from but I don't see them supporting your original contention "I've lost to 21 6 hands in a row (Regular 2 hand BJ)" or, in general, that Playtech is rigged. No matter.

I have you winning 5 units and losing 18 for a net loss of 13 units in 24 hands. Really nothing that unusual. (1 in 70)

I'm not that familiar with Playtech BJ logs but I'm going to assume the dealer upcard is on the left. If so, the only mistake I see is in hand 7 when you doubled a 7,3 vs a Jack.

It does seem pretty weird that hands 1&2, (3&4?), 5&6, 7&8, and 23&24 seem to be identical for the dealer. I'm assuming you didn't split 2 Jacks vs K in hands 5&6. Nobody's that crazy.

Anyway, I was just trying to say, if you think a software is rigged, write down your wins, losses etc and post that. I realize it doesn't help matters much when you raise your bet from $5 to $100 and lose but it happens. Don't know what your bankroll was at the time but I do know it's easy to over-bet one's bankroll. And the less one plays hunches, the better off one is.

Much luck to you in your future gaming.


Dealerbusts - Thanks for your kind words and I owe you an apology for not opening my e-mail for months at that address you have for me. I literally forget that I have it. You asked me for a file last Nov and I will send it to you early next week. Glad you're playing again.

And thank you, Jetset, too.

 

[hhcfreebie]

I'd suggest every player to pay good attentation to what clayman has to say. He is always up front and down to earth. As far as I know, clayman doesn't work for any casino.
If you define employee of sunny group as " those who got paid by sunny group", then I have no doubt clayman, dealerbust and me are all working our ass off for them.
I too, always follow the basic strategy when I play. I am tired of convincing everyone to follow the correct strategy. If you think you can beat casino your way, go ahead and try it. Please, for god's (or anything you believe) sake, don't complain when you loose.

 

[murder1]

No I didnt double on 7,3 I hit. The dealer was showing a face card. The $50 you see is the payout/winning column. I only won 3 sections. I just showed one account. I really got "Murdered" the other night at their Goldgate casino. Doesn't matter now. I am through with Sunny Group. I play craps there, every other roll 7, 7. I opened an account at Intercasino and it looks and plays better. Sunny Group can kiss MBA. Even when I called and complained to the support lady. She looked at my history and said she see why i would be angry. And that she would forward it to the techinal dept. And they would contact me. Well the only thing I got from them was some forms to sign that said I made these Firepay Purchases.

Every Hand of this is regular BJ, I followed the rules. I was talking about BJ switch which is total different. But now I talking strictly BJ. And I follow all the basic rules. Look at my game history. Everything was followed by the rules to the T.

I have been playing online long enough to know a fair game and a cheat. I take the bitter with the sweet. Ask JPM and some of the Older Members. I have never came on and complained, NEVER!!! Fugg Sunny Group

 

[DealerBusts]

Oops I made a mistake from my last post. The second quote should have been made by murder not recruit. I apologise to recruit for this.

Clayman, missed you at winneronline. Glad to know you're posting here though. Yep I'm back after losing over $2000 at WilliamHill in a bit of BJ madness. That was over 5 months ago. Took some serious reflection after that before i managed to pull myself together and make a comeback. I managed to hit a royal for 2000 and what I lost at WilliamHill is now a fraction of what I've won since. The trick was to let go of my loss at WH and start afresh.

This month has been awful though . I've had terrible runs at BJ as well as having to deal with RTG casinos (Connectto - keep locking me out for no reason, Giant Vegas - carried over wagering and misleading promotional emails) and that rigged Lucky Chance casino being advertised at Winneronline. Definitely not going to play again at these casinos for all those bad memories. I've only made $1100 this month, way off my target....I am definitely used to making more. Maybe I've milked this cow dry and its time to move onto sportbooks

Me and hhcfreebie definitely don't work at Sunny Group......unless it means making money at their casinos. I took one of them for $1000 recently

 

[recruit]

No reason to apologize - but thanks...

I'm glad to see it's not just me that gets "stuck" on a long losing streak. A couple of months ago, it was like the GamblingGods were definitely against me. It almost would have been laughable, if there hadn't been real cash money involved...lol...But like you, I finally decided to "Start fresh"...new outlook, etc. I switched over to Microgaming casinos after being tride and true to Playtech for a long long time. Lo and behold, I hit TWO jackpots on slots, no less!! First, I won at Cinema (Fantastic 7's) and then $8000 at Roxy Palace on the Fortune Cookie slot - yeeeeha!! THEn, I won $4000 on Lions Share AND a Royal Flush on multi hand Poker at BJ Ballroom - all in the same session. Then the bottom fell out and I had the little "incident" with my daughter trying to duplicate my success......guess it just all goes in cycles....

 

[aceinhole21]

A 1 in 70 chance as clayman said is not really sufficient to conclude there is cheating murder1, even though i've been there myself and it sucks. hey, shit happens, after all, it is gambling.

I have seen no hard evidence that any of the major software providers cheat. I am not talking about the smaller ones like gambling federation, which according to caruso's study, may very well cheat. but a 1 in 70 chance proves nothing.

 

[murder1]

1 out of 70 doesn't prove nothing? Maybe to you it doesn't. But for me it means to move on. Maybe you like keeping your feet on the fire, but I the sure hell don't. I was on the receiving in at the time, not you. I know what I experienced and how often from this Group. The bottom line is Sunny Group can't get 1 red cent from me ever again. That's my right and im going to exercise it. THANK YOU!

 

[jpm]

I think that's probably the best thing to do murder1. Accept the loss and move on to greener pastures. I haven't really been back to Sunny since they screwed with GoneGambling. Right after that they changed their contest & bonus money to 'sticky', which made them even less attractive.

 

[ftg]

Losing 12/13 hands is going to happen sometime or another especially since you've been playing there since 1997. The more you play, the more you're going to lose. You're bound to see those long losing streaks . I've only played for 2 1/2 years and I've lost 11 in a row at an MG casino. I've gone down 140 units in BJ Switch. So whats new?

DealerBusts,

You are very lucky. I don't play many BJ and I play around 500 hands in MG weekly and every week I get a loosing streak of 11 in a row or more. On their Vegas Strip BJ. The longest losing streak I can remember is about 22 in a row. I do play BS provided by the Wiz.

For other software provider, here are my comments:
1. BOSS : steaky on both side. I play less there but streakiness on boths sides.
2. MG: streaky on dealer mostly. I have never have had a winning steak of >10. 7 in a row is very rare.
3. Wagerlogic: seems very normal to me. more lossing streak than winning streak but this is very normal. worst lossing streak is about 15, winning streak 12.
4. Playtech. Very streaky, once loss 20 in a row, >10 lossing streaks in very common (!!!) but in that session I'm lucky to be way ahead even with the lossing steak.

 

[DealerBusts]

DealerBusts,

You are very lucky. I don't play many BJ and I play around 500 hands in MG weekly and every week I get a loosing streak of 11 in a row or more. On their Vegas Strip BJ. The longest losing streak I can remember is about 22 in a row. I do play BS provided by the Wiz.

For other software provider, here are my comments:
1. BOSS : steaky on both side. I play less there but streakiness on boths sides.
2. MG: streaky on dealer mostly. I have never have had a winning steak of >10. 7 in a row is very rare.
3. Wagerlogic: seems very normal to me. more lossing streak than winning streak but this is very normal. worst lossing streak is about 15, winning streak 12.
4. Playtech. Very streaky, once loss 20 in a row, >10 lossing streaks in very common (!!!) but in that session I'm lucky to be way ahead even with the lossing steak.

If you lose 11 hands in a row that often you must be really unlucky! 22 in a row is massive, has anyone else has such bad results? I don't really play Viper software much since most MG casinos don't allow BJ for wagering for bonuses. I don't really use any progressive systems so to me being down 40 units at the end of a session is just as bad as having a loss of 15 in a row and losing another 25 units.

I agree about Boss being streaky as well as RTG. Crypto is pretty fair in my books. MG is ok although I had a bad 80 unit loss with their Single Deck a long time ago (my fault for trying to chase my losses as a newb). I'm not sure about Playtech because the cards seemed fixed sometimes (especially their BJ Switch) but I've profited fairly nicely from Playtech casinos. I think the doubling on VP is fair though.

 

[ftg]

If you lose 11 hands in a row that often you must be really unlucky! 22 in a row is massive, has anyone else has such bad results? I don't really play Viper software much since most MG casinos don't allow BJ for wagering for bonuses. I don't really use any progressive systems so to me being down 40 units at the end of a session is just as bad as having a loss of 15 in a row and losing another 25 units.

Yesterday I play BJ at RTG. got 11 in a row once, 10 in a row twice. my winning streak is 7 in a row. wow.... Though I still came out ahead, it was in fun mode.

 

[Clayman]

Yesterday I play BJ at RTG. got 11 in a row once, 10 in a row twice. my winning streak is 7 in a row. wow.... Though I still came out ahead, it was in fun mode.

Hi ftg
I always wonder when people talk about winning and losing streaks how they define them.
Does "lose" mean "lose only" or "lose or tie"? Does "win" mean "win only" or "win or BJ" or "win or BJ or tie"?
Anyway, Dealerbusts is probably right - you are pretty darn unlucky.

With RTG, I've had 1 streak of 13 "loss ony" and 2 @ 11 and 3 @ 10 in 18,000 hands. I've never had, on any software, anything even close to a 22 "lose only" streak. That's over 100,000,000 to 1, I think.

Anyway, did you ever get my reply to ypur PM?

 

[ftg]

Hi ftg
I always wonder when people talk about winning and losing streaks how they define them.
Does "lose" mean "lose only" or "lose or tie"? Does "win" mean "win only" or "win or BJ" or "win or BJ or tie"?

Anyway, did you ever get my reply to ypur PM?

I don't know how exactly others define winning/lossing streaks. For me, when I say lossing streaks of 10 in a row, it means lossing 10 hands exlcluding tie. For example,

LLTLLTLLTLLTLLT

I count it as a 10 in a row lossing streak.

and
I count "WWTDWBDTTTWWWW" as 10 in a row winning streak (B=BJ, double = double and win.)

Anyway, Dealerbusts is probably right - you are pretty darn unlucky.

I always don't believe why I am so unlucky. I always have the strategy cards in front of me and I double check afterwards sometimes to make sure I play perfect strategy.

Last week, I has a 13 lose in a row in Vegas Strip BJ in Viper:
LTL(DL)LLLLL(DL)LLLL (DL = doubled and lost)

This is still a 12 "loss only" streak.

With RTG, I've had 1 streak of 13 "loss ony" and 2 @ 11 and 3 @ 10 in 18,000 hands. I've never had, on any software, anything even close to a 22 "lose only" streak. That's over 100,000,000 to 1, I think.

Though my results at RTG as streaky as MG, I do find MG's games suspicious(The games include BJ, Baccarat and doubles on VP) becasue of where the lossing streaks begins and the bet size.

Anyway, did you ever get my reply to ypur PM?

Sorry, I didn't notice the PM. I will PM you now.

 

[Clayman]

For example,

LLTLLTLLTLLTLLT

I count it as a 10 in a row lossing streak.

and
I count "WWTDWBDTTTWWWW" as 10 in a row winning streak (B=BJ, double = double and win.)

Thanks I was just curious. What you call a "lose only" streak I call a "no win" streak and likewise I would call your "win only" streak a "no lose" streak.

Streaks are part of the game and alot of the reason I try to bet every hand as if it could be the beginning of one of these messy streaks. Nobody likes losing 15 units in 20 hands but it happens. It's not even at all unlikely. But, if you're betting $6/hand on a $100 bankroll, you're pretty much done. Bet $1/hand and you still have 85% of your bankroll and can recover.

Anyway you're doing the right thing playing with a strategy card in front of you. Things should even out for you if you are on a bad run.

Make sure it's the RIGHT BS card for the rules of the game, though! I'm sure you are.

 

[jpm]

Clayman, maybe you can answer this for me. Seems like a simple enough question, but I'm not real sure of the answer.

Assuming I have the correct strategy card, typically it says its for the first 2 cards only. So say I have a total of 9 and the dealer is showing a 9 or 10, I take a hit and get say a 5 for a total of 14. Now do I consult the card and check 14 vs dealer 9 or 10 or wing it? I know that I need to hit it, but how do you handle this with the card (and how does viper handle it)??

 

[Clayman]

Assuming I have the correct strategy card, typically it says its for the first 2 cards only. So say I have a total of 9 and the dealer is showing a 9 or 10, I take a hit and get say a 5 for a total of 14. Now do I consult the card and check 14 vs dealer 9 or 10 or wing it? I know that I need to hit it, but how do you handle this with the card (and how does viper handle it)??

Yes, now you would play what the card says for a 14 vs 9. Or if you get A,3,2,A vs 6 you would play it as an A,6. This is what they call total-dependent strategy since it depends on the total of your cards.

While it's true this may sometimes give rise to incorrect plays, there isn't too much you can do about. Like if you get a 4,4,4,4, vs 10 even in an 8-deck game you should stand even though the card says to hit. This occurs less often in multi-deck games but there are quite a few plays in single-deck that depend on the composition of the cards that comprise your total. Like you would hit a 10,2 vs 6 but stand on 9,3 vs 6 in single-deck. And you would stand on any 3-or more-card 12 vs a 3. Probably the most common one would be multi-card 16's vs 10 - sometimes you stand, sometimes you hit. I wouldn't worry about it though unless you play single-deck. This is called composition-dependent strategy since it depends on the exact cards your hand is composed of. If you are really interested you can go to

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and set the rules and plug in specific cards.

When I last played Viper, I seem to remember having to make alot of changes to the default Basic Strategy for auto-play. The default was nowhere close to proper Basic Strategy. So watch-out for that. Naturally, there isn't one Basic Strategy that covers the 6 different BJ games they offer now.

When I take up poker, I'll be asking you the questions!

 

[jpm]

Thanks Clayman, I'll check out that link. It was always kind of baffling what to do next when you get the multicard 16 vs 10. Seems like a crapshoot at that point, flip a coin. Its just something that always bugged me about the strategy cards, they don't have the 'what do I do now' column on them!

I was kinda worried about the viper strategy, hard to believe the casino would really put optimal strategy into the robot they supply. Their VP strategy is pretty good, but I still like to keep an eye on it. Every so often it will do something I disagree with and I'll override it. Of course it usually makes little or no difference, lol.

I'll be happy to answer your vp questions anytime!

 

[GrandMaster]

Yes, now you would play what the card says for a 14 vs 9. Or if you get A,3,2,A vs 6 you would play it as an A,6. This is what they call total-dependent strategy since it depends on the total of your cards.

While it's true this may sometimes give rise to incorrect plays, there isn't too much you can do about. Like if you get a 4,4,4,4, vs 10 even in an 8-deck game you should stand even though the card says to hit. This occurs less often in multi-deck games but there are quite a few plays in single-deck that depend on the composition of the cards that comprise your total. Like you would hit a 10,2 vs 6 but stand on 9,3 vs 6 in single-deck. And you would stand on any 3-or more-card 12 vs a 3. Probably the most common one would be multi-card 16's vs 10 - sometimes you stand, sometimes you hit. I wouldn't worry about it though unless you play single-deck. This is called composition-dependent strategy since it depends on the exact cards your hand is composed of. If you are really interested you can go to

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and set the rules and plug in specific cards.

When I last played Viper, I seem to remember having to make alot of changes to the default Basic Strategy for auto-play. The default was nowhere close to proper Basic Strategy. So watch-out for that. Naturally, there isn't one Basic Strategy that covers the 6 different BJ games they offer now.

When I take up poker, I'll be asking you the questions!

The Wizard of Odds :notworthy has a list of composition dependent exceptions to the basic strategy for single and double deck BJ. In a single deck game, you always stand on a 3 card 12 vs 3, this is a convenient rule to remember, but there are few hands with 4 or more cards which you should hit. Viper's built-in BJ strategy indeed has a number of mistakes, but I believe the VP strategy is correct, since it works by calculating the expectations rather than by recognising patterns.

 

[milly]

On all casinos

They deal themselves what they need to win, if you dont hit on 12 when dealer shows a 6 they will get a 5 or 4 if you do you will get a 10 and think shit dealer should have had that but they dont. If they show a 10 and you ave 15 you hit you get a 10 if you dont they turn over a 6 they will get a 5 its always the same. And as for doubling on 11 always ace, two or three rarely 10.

 

[DealerBusts]

They deal themselves what they need to win, if you dont hit on 12 when dealer shows a 6 they will get a 5 or 4 if you do you will get a 10 and think shit dealer should have had that but they dont. If they show a 10 and you ave 15 you hit you get a 10 if you dont they turn over a 6 they will get a 5 its always the same. And as for doubling on 11 always ace, two or three rarely 10.

Do you mean all software providers? I would say, it is only true when it comes to Playtech BJ. Their BJ is very badly rigged. I would say my results at BJ Switch are much better than their BJ but I've heard of some very bad results and not many good results.