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Warning Don't Play Blackjack At Sunny Group

Discussion in 'Online Casino and Poker Complaints - old section' started by murder1, Mar 26, 2004.

  1. murder1

    murder1 <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

    I am warning those of you who wants to play blackjack. Do it at someplace else besides Sunny Group. I have never written a complain as long as I've been here. But this rigging has to stop. Dealer will get whatever card it wants to win. I've lost to 21 6 hands in a row (Regular 2 hand BJ). I official quit playing there. Afterward, I went to play my last $200 on blackjack switch. The dealer shows a 6. First hand I am dealt 19. the second hand is 12. I hit the 2nd hands. (I know the rules says stand) I get an ace. I hit again I get an Ace. I stand the dealer turns over 3 along with the 6 and next card is an Ace. 20!!!!

    2 nights ago I played at Casino Fortune and same thing happen playing there regular 2 hand blackjack. I lost 12/13 to dealer having 20 or greater. I contacted them and they gave me the same ole run around. I've been playing online since 1997 and no a cheat when i see it.

    WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SUNNY GROUP CASINOS. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!
     
  2. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    First - you mean you not only hit a 12 vs 6 but also a 13 vs 6 in BJS? That's 2 mistakes in one hand. And you offer this as an example of crooked casinos? If you had stood, like you're supposed to, you would have halved the hand.

    Second - it would be nice, if you're going to accuse casinos of cheating, to at least offer the overall results of your session rather than these pity-me-hard-to-believe snippets.

    Third - you hunch players deserve what you get. Sorry if that sounds harsh.
     
  3. murder1

    murder1 <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

    Clay good one you Sunny Group informer POS. READ MY POST AGAIN! THERE WAS 3 ACES BACK TO BACK TO BACK. I WOULD HAVE LOST!!! I KNOW HOW TO PLAY BLACKJACK. I KNOW ALL THE RULES INCLUDING CARD COUNTING. I HAVE ALL MY HISTORY ON FILE AND CAN POST THEM INCLUDING LOSING 12/13 HANDS TO THE DEALER GETTING 20. SUNNY GROUP IS A RIP OFF! AND YOU SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN. I HOPE EVERYONE THAT READS THIS WILL NOT PLAY THERE AGAIN. AND WILL FIND SOMEWHERE BETTER THAT PLAYS FAIRLY. YOU CROOKS NEED TO BE INVADED.
     
  4. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Sorry - you're right. I mis-read things. You would have lost anyway.

    You still made 2 mistakes in one hand and intentionally, too. Which makes it worse because you actually know better but can't act on it. What is your excuse to intentionally make the wrong play twice? And then cry about the results.

    So, do you or don't you, occasionally play hunches while playing BJ? Or is it only in BJS that you play hunches? No doubt you'll tell us that these are the only two plays you have ever made where you intentionally deviated from known BS.

    And, if you have all your records, what were they? Even just a total W/L/T would be a start.

    No need to shout. I think that diminishes you, not me.
     
  5. recruit

    recruit Dormant account

    Why the hostility???

    Boys, boys, boys! Clayman, I think you need to back off a wee bit here....Murder was simply expressing frustration at what SOUNDS like a little more than just bad luck - can you honestly say that you haven't had the same suspcions when playing a particular game at any given casino? And when we are having an unusually strong streak of "bad luck", don't we all 'deviate' from the tride and true "rules of play" a little, in order to mix it up a little in hopes of changing the pattern? Did we forget to have our Wheaties this morning or WHAT???
     
  6. murder1

    murder1 <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

    OK CLAY...I am going to release my 2 hand regular BJ record from Sunny Group. People please give me your input on this matter.
     
  7. murder1

    murder1 <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

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  8. murder1

    murder1 <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

    Part 3 of 6
     
  9. murder1

    murder1 <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

    Part 4 of 6
     
  10. murder1

    murder1 <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

    Part 5 of 6
     
  11. murder1

    murder1 <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

    Part 6 of 6. Sorry guys to waste space like this. Cayman works for Sunny Group and is trying to discredit me. I have played online casino long enough to know to take the bitter with the sweet. I haven't even post nearly the rigged quality of Games at Sunny Group from my other accounts. I for one have quit entirely. Sunny Group is running a crooked operation and need to be exposed for what their worth.
     
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2004
  12. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Getting angry and deviating from correct strategy won't help you, of course.
    Btw, the probability of the dealer getting 20 or 21 (including BJ) is about 30%, so it is not a rare event at all.
     
  13. m249a

    m249a Dormant account

    Whats wrong with it???

    This is a unique forum here...everybody gambles and hopefully understands the swings. I for one have seen similar streaks at online and "real' casinos. I remember the last time I was in Atlantic city and saw not one, but 3 shoes in a row of dealer pulling 19 or better. It was so bad that at the end of the third shoe the pit boss changed cards. this was at a $100.00 min table. You can imangine the frustration @ that table. Now we all have had bad runs, and maybe some good ones too. I'm sure we all have played hunches, bet double to cover a big loss, or taken that shot for the big payday and seen it all go right into the dealers tray. If you play every hand the way its supposed to be played, what fun is it??? I for one am a 3 drink minimum gambler, I like to high five big wins, and yell at the dealer when I lose big. I tip well, and my host's take good care of me. I can understand his frustration, I can also understand the casino defending itself. Lets try not to be so harsh with the defense though. Maybe a nice comp, or a few free match plays to smooth things over would help. This entire industry needs to understand that if you don't take care of the players, we will find someone who will.
     
  14. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Amen to that m249a!
     
  15. recruit

    recruit Dormant account

    Yeah, Clayman, how 'bout it? Alittle bit of customer service can go a L-O-N-G way!!
     
  16. bethug

    bethug Banned User - Winner of the "<a href="http://www.c

    I agree about playtec casinos, they can can be fixed . Playtec and boss is the only casino i cant triple my money in the real mode. It dont play the same way in the real mode at all.

    You need to take the bonus at playtec casinos and when u come up cash out
     
  17. DealerBusts

    DealerBusts Dormant account

    I for one never deviate from BS apart from the odd time when I've actually clicked the wrong button. Too many people go for the ESP tactic and try to guess the cards. I agree with Clayman that when you deviate from optimal play its going to cost you in the long term and then you've only got yourself to blame as you're going to see much bigger losses. Btw, Clayman's post was completely non-agressive and was trying to be helpful. I don't see why he should back off when its clear that its murders who is annoyed with losing and letting out a bit of steam.

    Losing 12/13 hands is going to happen sometime or another especially since you've been playing there since 1997. The more you play, the more you're going to lose. You're bound to see those long losing streaks . I've only played for 2 1/2 years and I've lost 11 in a row at an MG casino. I've gone down 140 units in BJ Switch. So whats new?

    I do quite well at Playtech casinos. I almost always play with a bonus and take my losses when the wagering is met. The less you expose yourself to the HA the better even if no cheating is taking place. Again caution has to be taken when playing online but Playtech has been fair in terms of what I have cashed out.

    Btw I don't think you should make unsubstantiated accusations about Clayman and I think you are way out of line. We all take a bad beating online occasionally and you just got to get yourself together or quit. Being upset is understandable but theres no need to take it out on other people. For your information, Clayman is a long time poster and online player at Winneronline and undeserving of the rubbbish you are spouting about him.
     
  18. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Clayman is one of the most respected gamblers on this board and others who has a balanced, analytical approach to playing that is worth reading with attention.
     
  19. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Hi recruit,
    First - good luck with solving your other "problem". I have no children so I can only imagine just how much fun it can be. I'm sure the good far outweighs the bad.

    But, to your question, no I can't say that I have ever felt that I was being dealt an unfair game. I keep track of my BJ hands just because I don't trust the casinos. I figure that way, if they're cheating me, I'll know it.

    And, no, I never "mix it up a little" in hopes of changing a pattern. To me, that's insanity. What I like about BJ is that it's a black-and-white world with very little grey. I'd rather play the hand correctly and lose than vice-versa.

    I certainly don't mind people venting over some bad luck but when they accuse entire software platforms of being rigged based on selected snippets of play, I guess, yes, it always bothers me a little.

    I'm not sure I understood your later post about customer service but, if it means you think I'm a Sunnygroup person, I'm just another BJ player.
     
  20. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Thanks murder for posting these 24 hands. I appreciate your effort.

    I'm not sure where they are from but I don't see them supporting your original contention "I've lost to 21 6 hands in a row (Regular 2 hand BJ)" or, in general, that Playtech is rigged. No matter.

    I have you winning 5 units and losing 18 for a net loss of 13 units in 24 hands. Really nothing that unusual. (1 in 70)

    I'm not that familiar with Playtech BJ logs but I'm going to assume the dealer upcard is on the left. If so, the only mistake I see is in hand 7 when you doubled a 7,3 vs a Jack.

    It does seem pretty weird that hands 1&2, (3&4?), 5&6, 7&8, and 23&24 seem to be identical for the dealer. I'm assuming you didn't split 2 Jacks vs K in hands 5&6. Nobody's that crazy.

    Anyway, I was just trying to say, if you think a software is rigged, write down your wins, losses etc and post that. I realize it doesn't help matters much when you raise your bet from $5 to $100 and lose but it happens. Don't know what your bankroll was at the time but I do know it's easy to over-bet one's bankroll. And the less one plays hunches, the better off one is.

    Much luck to you in your future gaming.


    Dealerbusts - Thanks for your kind words and I owe you an apology for not opening my e-mail for months at that address you have for me. I literally forget that I have it. You asked me for a file last Nov and I will send it to you early next week. Glad you're playing again.

    And thank you, Jetset, too.
     

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