Warning Don't Play Blackjack At Sunny Group

[murder1]

I am warning those of you who wants to play blackjack. Do it at someplace else besides Sunny Group. I have never written a complain as long as I've been here. But this rigging has to stop. Dealer will get whatever card it wants to win. I've lost to 21 6 hands in a row (Regular 2 hand BJ). I official quit playing there. Afterward, I went to play my last $200 on blackjack switch. The dealer shows a 6. First hand I am dealt 19. the second hand is 12. I hit the 2nd hands. (I know the rules says stand) I get an ace. I hit again I get an Ace. I stand the dealer turns over 3 along with the 6 and next card is an Ace. 20!!!!

2 nights ago I played at Casino Fortune and same thing happen playing there regular 2 hand blackjack. I lost 12/13 to dealer having 20 or greater. I contacted them and they gave me the same ole run around. I've been playing online since 1997 and no a cheat when i see it.

WARNING STAY AWAY FROM SUNNY GROUP CASINOS. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!

 

[Clayman]

Afterward, I went to play my last $200 on blackjack switch. The dealer shows a 6. First hand I am dealt 19. the second hand is 12. I hit the 2nd hands. (I know the rules says stand) I get an ace. I hit again I get an Ace. I stand the dealer turns over 3 along with the 6 and next card is an Ace. 20!!!!

First - you mean you not only hit a 12 vs 6 but also a 13 vs 6 in BJS? That's 2 mistakes in one hand. And you offer this as an example of crooked casinos? If you had stood, like you're supposed to, you would have halved the hand.

Second - it would be nice, if you're going to accuse casinos of cheating, to at least offer the overall results of your session rather than these pity-me-hard-to-believe snippets.

Third - you hunch players deserve what you get. Sorry if that sounds harsh.

 

[murder1]

Clay good one you Sunny Group informer POS. READ MY POST AGAIN! THERE WAS 3 ACES BACK TO BACK TO BACK. I WOULD HAVE LOST!!! I KNOW HOW TO PLAY BLACKJACK. I KNOW ALL THE RULES INCLUDING CARD COUNTING. I HAVE ALL MY HISTORY ON FILE AND CAN POST THEM INCLUDING LOSING 12/13 HANDS TO THE DEALER GETTING 20. SUNNY GROUP IS A RIP OFF! AND YOU SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN. I HOPE EVERYONE THAT READS THIS WILL NOT PLAY THERE AGAIN. AND WILL FIND SOMEWHERE BETTER THAT PLAYS FAIRLY. YOU CROOKS NEED TO BE INVADED.

 

[Clayman]

THERE WAS 3 ACES BACK TO BACK TO BACK. I WOULD HAVE LOST!!! I KNOW HOW TO PLAY BLACKJACK.

Sorry - you're right. I mis-read things. You would have lost anyway.

You still made 2 mistakes in one hand and intentionally, too. Which makes it worse because you actually know better but can't act on it. What is your excuse to intentionally make the wrong play twice? And then cry about the results.

So, do you or don't you, occasionally play hunches while playing BJ? Or is it only in BJS that you play hunches? No doubt you'll tell us that these are the only two plays you have ever made where you intentionally deviated from known BS.

And, if you have all your records, what were they? Even just a total W/L/T would be a start.

No need to shout. I think that diminishes you, not me.

 

[recruit]

Why the hostility???

Boys, boys, boys! Clayman, I think you need to back off a wee bit here....Murder was simply expressing frustration at what SOUNDS like a little more than just bad luck - can you honestly say that you haven't had the same suspcions when playing a particular game at any given casino? And when we are having an unusually strong streak of "bad luck", don't we all 'deviate' from the tride and true "rules of play" a little, in order to mix it up a little in hopes of changing the pattern? Did we forget to have our Wheaties this morning or WHAT???

 

[murder1]

OK CLAY...I am going to release my 2 hand regular BJ record from Sunny Group. People please give me your input on this matter.

 

[murder1]

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[murder1]

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[murder1]

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[murder1]

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[murder1]

Part 6 of 6. Sorry guys to waste space like this. Cayman works for Sunny Group and is trying to discredit me. I have played online casino long enough to know to take the bitter with the sweet. I haven't even post nearly the rigged quality of Games at Sunny Group from my other accounts. I for one have quit entirely. Sunny Group is running a crooked operation and need to be exposed for what their worth.

 

[GrandMaster]

Boys, boys, boys! Clayman, I think you need to back off a wee bit here....Murder was simply expressing frustration at what SOUNDS like a little more than just bad luck - can you honestly say that you haven't had the same suspcions when playing a particular game at any given casino? And when we are having an unusually strong streak of "bad luck", don't we all 'deviate' from the tride and true "rules of play" a little, in order to mix it up a little in hopes of changing the pattern? Did we forget to have our Wheaties this morning or WHAT???

Getting angry and deviating from correct strategy won't help you, of course.
Btw, the probability of the dealer getting 20 or 21 (including BJ) is about 30%, so it is not a rare event at all.

 

[m249a]

Whats wrong with it???

This is a unique forum here...everybody gambles and hopefully understands the swings. I for one have seen similar streaks at online and "real' casinos. I remember the last time I was in Atlantic city and saw not one, but 3 shoes in a row of dealer pulling 19 or better. It was so bad that at the end of the third shoe the pit boss changed cards. this was at a $100.00 min table. You can imangine the frustration @ that table. Now we all have had bad runs, and maybe some good ones too. I'm sure we all have played hunches, bet double to cover a big loss, or taken that shot for the big payday and seen it all go right into the dealers tray. If you play every hand the way its supposed to be played, what fun is it??? I for one am a 3 drink minimum gambler, I like to high five big wins, and yell at the dealer when I lose big. I tip well, and my host's take good care of me. I can understand his frustration, I can also understand the casino defending itself. Lets try not to be so harsh with the defense though. Maybe a nice comp, or a few free match plays to smooth things over would help. This entire industry needs to understand that if you don't take care of the players, we will find someone who will.

 

[jpm]

Amen to that m249a!

 

[recruit]

Yeah, Clayman, how 'bout it? Alittle bit of customer service can go a L-O-N-G way!!

 

[bethug]

I agree about playtec casinos, they can can be fixed . Playtec and boss is the only casino i cant triple my money in the real mode. It dont play the same way in the real mode at all.

You need to take the bonus at playtec casinos and when u come up cash out

 

[DealerBusts]

Boys, boys, boys! Clayman, I think you need to back off a wee bit here....Murder was simply expressing frustration at what SOUNDS like a little more than just bad luck - can you honestly say that you haven't had the same suspcions when playing a particular game at any given casino? And when we are having an unusually strong streak of "bad luck", don't we all 'deviate' from the tride and true "rules of play" a little, in order to mix it up a little in hopes of changing the pattern? Did we forget to have our Wheaties this morning or WHAT???

I for one never deviate from BS apart from the odd time when I've actually clicked the wrong button. Too many people go for the ESP tactic and try to guess the cards. I agree with Clayman that when you deviate from optimal play its going to cost you in the long term and then you've only got yourself to blame as you're going to see much bigger losses. Btw, Clayman's post was completely non-agressive and was trying to be helpful. I don't see why he should back off when its clear that its murders who is annoyed with losing and letting out a bit of steam.

Part 6 of 6. Sorry guys to waste space like this. Cayman works for Sunny Group and is trying to discredit me......

Losing 12/13 hands is going to happen sometime or another especially since you've been playing there since 1997. The more you play, the more you're going to lose. You're bound to see those long losing streaks . I've only played for 2 1/2 years and I've lost 11 in a row at an MG casino. I've gone down 140 units in BJ Switch. So whats new?

I do quite well at Playtech casinos. I almost always play with a bonus and take my losses when the wagering is met. The less you expose yourself to the HA the better even if no cheating is taking place. Again caution has to be taken when playing online but Playtech has been fair in terms of what I have cashed out.

Btw I don't think you should make unsubstantiated accusations about Clayman and I think you are way out of line. We all take a bad beating online occasionally and you just got to get yourself together or quit. Being upset is understandable but theres no need to take it out on other people. For your information, Clayman is a long time poster and online player at Winneronline and undeserving of the rubbbish you are spouting about him.

 

[jetset]

Clayman is one of the most respected gamblers on this board and others who has a balanced, analytical approach to playing that is worth reading with attention.

 

[Clayman]

Clayman,... - can you honestly say that you haven't had the same suspcions when playing a particular game at any given casino? And when we are having an unusually strong streak of "bad luck", don't we all 'deviate' from the tride and true "rules of play" a little, in order to mix it up a little in hopes of changing the pattern?

Hi recruit,
First - good luck with solving your other "problem". I have no children so I can only imagine just how much fun it can be. I'm sure the good far outweighs the bad.

But, to your question, no I can't say that I have ever felt that I was being dealt an unfair game. I keep track of my BJ hands just because I don't trust the casinos. I figure that way, if they're cheating me, I'll know it.

And, no, I never "mix it up a little" in hopes of changing a pattern. To me, that's insanity. What I like about BJ is that it's a black-and-white world with very little grey. I'd rather play the hand correctly and lose than vice-versa.

I certainly don't mind people venting over some bad luck but when they accuse entire software platforms of being rigged based on selected snippets of play, I guess, yes, it always bothers me a little.

I'm not sure I understood your later post about customer service but, if it means you think I'm a Sunnygroup person, I'm just another BJ player.

 

[Clayman]

OK CLAY...People please give me your input on this matter.

Thanks murder for posting these 24 hands. I appreciate your effort.

I'm not sure where they are from but I don't see them supporting your original contention "I've lost to 21 6 hands in a row (Regular 2 hand BJ)" or, in general, that Playtech is rigged. No matter.

I have you winning 5 units and losing 18 for a net loss of 13 units in 24 hands. Really nothing that unusual. (1 in 70)

I'm not that familiar with Playtech BJ logs but I'm going to assume the dealer upcard is on the left. If so, the only mistake I see is in hand 7 when you doubled a 7,3 vs a Jack.

It does seem pretty weird that hands 1&2, (3&4?), 5&6, 7&8, and 23&24 seem to be identical for the dealer. I'm assuming you didn't split 2 Jacks vs K in hands 5&6. Nobody's that crazy.

Anyway, I was just trying to say, if you think a software is rigged, write down your wins, losses etc and post that. I realize it doesn't help matters much when you raise your bet from $5 to $100 and lose but it happens. Don't know what your bankroll was at the time but I do know it's easy to over-bet one's bankroll. And the less one plays hunches, the better off one is.

Much luck to you in your future gaming.


Dealerbusts - Thanks for your kind words and I owe you an apology for not opening my e-mail for months at that address you have for me. I literally forget that I have it. You asked me for a file last Nov and I will send it to you early next week. Glad you're playing again.

And thank you, Jetset, too.

 

[hhcfreebie]

I'd suggest every player to pay good attentation to what clayman has to say. He is always up front and down to earth. As far as I know, clayman doesn't work for any casino.
If you define employee of sunny group as " those who got paid by sunny group", then I have no doubt clayman, dealerbust and me are all working our ass off for them.
I too, always follow the basic strategy when I play. I am tired of convincing everyone to follow the correct strategy. If you think you can beat casino your way, go ahead and try it. Please, for god's (or anything you believe) sake, don't complain when you loose.

 

[murder1]

No I didnt double on 7,3 I hit. The dealer was showing a face card. The $50 you see is the payout/winning column. I only won 3 sections. I just showed one account. I really got "Murdered" the other night at their Goldgate casino. Doesn't matter now. I am through with Sunny Group. I play craps there, every other roll 7, 7. I opened an account at Intercasino and it looks and plays better. Sunny Group can kiss MBA. Even when I called and complained to the support lady. She looked at my history and said she see why i would be angry. And that she would forward it to the techinal dept. And they would contact me. Well the only thing I got from them was some forms to sign that said I made these Firepay Purchases.

Every Hand of this is regular BJ, I followed the rules. I was talking about BJ switch which is total different. But now I talking strictly BJ. And I follow all the basic rules. Look at my game history. Everything was followed by the rules to the T.

I have been playing online long enough to know a fair game and a cheat. I take the bitter with the sweet. Ask JPM and some of the Older Members. I have never came on and complained, NEVER!!! Fugg Sunny Group

 

[DealerBusts]

Oops I made a mistake from my last post. The second quote should have been made by murder not recruit. I apologise to recruit for this.

Clayman, missed you at winneronline. Glad to know you're posting here though. Yep I'm back after losing over $2000 at WilliamHill in a bit of BJ madness. That was over 5 months ago. Took some serious reflection after that before i managed to pull myself together and make a comeback. I managed to hit a royal for 2000 and what I lost at WilliamHill is now a fraction of what I've won since. The trick was to let go of my loss at WH and start afresh.

This month has been awful though . I've had terrible runs at BJ as well as having to deal with RTG casinos (Connectto - keep locking me out for no reason, Giant Vegas - carried over wagering and misleading promotional emails) and that rigged Lucky Chance casino being advertised at Winneronline. Definitely not going to play again at these casinos for all those bad memories. I've only made $1100 this month, way off my target....I am definitely used to making more. Maybe I've milked this cow dry and its time to move onto sportbooks

Me and hhcfreebie definitely don't work at Sunny Group......unless it means making money at their casinos. I took one of them for $1000 recently

 

[recruit]

No reason to apologize - but thanks...

I'm glad to see it's not just me that gets "stuck" on a long losing streak. A couple of months ago, it was like the GamblingGods were definitely against me. It almost would have been laughable, if there hadn't been real cash money involved...lol...But like you, I finally decided to "Start fresh"...new outlook, etc. I switched over to Microgaming casinos after being tride and true to Playtech for a long long time. Lo and behold, I hit TWO jackpots on slots, no less!! First, I won at Cinema (Fantastic 7's) and then $8000 at Roxy Palace on the Fortune Cookie slot - yeeeeha!! THEn, I won $4000 on Lions Share AND a Royal Flush on multi hand Poker at BJ Ballroom - all in the same session. Then the bottom fell out and I had the little "incident" with my daughter trying to duplicate my success......guess it just all goes in cycles....

 

[aceinhole21]

A 1 in 70 chance as clayman said is not really sufficient to conclude there is cheating murder1, even though i've been there myself and it sucks. hey, shit happens, after all, it is gambling.

I have seen no hard evidence that any of the major software providers cheat. I am not talking about the smaller ones like gambling federation, which according to caruso's study, may very well cheat. but a 1 in 70 chance proves nothing.