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But you will happily give them to paypal? Do you know who sees your details at their end?

Well I much more trust ewallet staff than casino staff. No offense to VS staff at all. Or any other casino staff. I just like to have that extra added security. It is my own preference, and my own choice. Just like the choices you make. :) Also withdraw times to banks can take upto 3 days unless you use trustly. Which again I do not want to use. Trustly still can take upto 24 hours sometimes when they have issues which they do have issues from time to time. At least with ewallets as soon as VS process it, it is in your ewallet instantly. Now it will be paypal it will mean I can withdraw straight to my bank instantly too from paypal. Which is another plus, no more waiting times. So it has its benefits and saves time. At the end of the day, time matters. Life is short. Time is precious.......
 
Isn't Paypal by and large electronically-checked? So if anything one's already verified pre-withdrawal. Even clipjoints have paid me this way

Yep you have to verify your PayPal account properly once you've received so much into it money wise. Think it was about 2k for the enhanced check. It was easy enough to do though.

VS still wanted a screenshot however.
 
By the way, I'd urge anyone using PayPal to get 2 factor authorisation set up. I know a couple of people who had money raided from their accounts through PayPal. This is bad when you have your debit card linked to it!
 
Well I much more trust ewallet staff than casino staff. No offense to VS staff at all. Or any other casino staff. I just like to have that extra added security. It is my own preference, and my own choice. Just like the choices you make. :) Also withdraw times to banks can take upto 3 days unless you use trustly. Which again I do not want to use. Trustly still can take upto 24 hours sometimes when they have issues which they do have issues from time to time. At least with ewallets as soon as VS process it, it is in your ewallet instantly. Now it will be paypal it will mean I can withdraw straight to my bank instantly too from paypal. Which is another plus, no more waiting times. So it has its benefits and saves time. At the end of the day, time matters. Life is short. Time is precious.......
I don't trust a company that sends all these emails and more to someone who doesn't have a Paypal account.

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And how is that Paypals fault?

They have got nothing to do with paypal. Just some phishing scam emails that everyone gets. They send them to every email address they get a hold of. In the hope that people are dumb enough to either click the links or open attachments or reply to those emails.

I am amazed at your comment to be fair, that you even blame Paypal for these emails when it is nothing to do with them. You can actually forward those emails to paypal fraud/phishing department and they will deal with them. But they never stop coming because these scammers just change the addresses they send from and mask them to make them look like they come from paypal.

If anything it is all our fault to signing up to loads of casinos and maybe some rogue casinos that have sold our personal details of or they was rogue and are scammers themselves and actually send these phishing emails out themselves too. Who knows. But it is actually our own faults for not being more careful tot he sites we sign up to and give our email addresses out too. I have actually tested this out. I made a test email account a few months ago. Signed up to a few websites. So far I have not had any spam emails at all. But I have not checked that email account for a while so not sure if there is any now.

It is also not just rogue casinos or any casinos that may sell our personal data onto third parties though is it. Any website can do it if they so wish. That data then gets sold on the dark web as well and also in forums as email lists. Do a google search for buy email lists. You will find hundreds of thousands of results. It is shocking really, but it is huge market.
 
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And how is that Paypals fault?

They have got nothing to do with paypal. Just some phishing scam emails that everyone gets. They send them to every email address they get a hold of. In the hope that people are dumb enough to either click the links or open attachments or reply to those emails.

I am amazed at your comment to be fair, that you even blame Paypal for these emails when it is nothing to do with them. You can actually forward those emails to paypal fraud/phishing department and they will deal with them. But they never stop coming because these scammers just change the addresses they send from and mask them to make them look like they come from paypal.
Doesn't look like a fake email address to me:

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Doesn't look like a fake email address to me:

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As I stated ABOVE! They MASK their email addresses they send from with a paypal offical email address! Are you really that naive to not actually know what can be done on computers. It is very simple. There is programs you can download and use to send emails that you can enter any email address to be displayed as the sender email. So all you will see is that email address they entered.

This is now off-topic. So I will not continue it in this thread! I suggest maybe google is your friend if you want to find out more about how scammers and phishers can mask emails in programs.
 
As I stated ABOVE! They MASK their email addresses they send from with a paypal offical email address! Are you really that naive to not actually know what can be done on computers. It is very simple. There is programs you can download and use to send emails that you can enter any email address to be displayed as the sender email. So all you will see is that email address they entered.

This is now off-topic. So I will not continue it in this thread! I suggest maybe google is your friend if you want to find out more about how scammers and phishers can mask emails in programs.
Patronised by a digital spy left winger oh how I forgot how superior they like to be. Enjoy going back on topic :)
 
Patronised by a digital spy left winger oh how I forgot how superior they like to be. Enjoy going back on topic :)

:D I did not mean it in a nasty way on what I said, and I in no way was making out that I was superior in anyway either. lol.

To be fair it was just that I thought people who have been online for multiple years would know these things already? I have known this for years. But I suppose that is because I researched it and learned about it. I Never expected everyone to know or learn this, but I just thought perhaps the majority of people would know this. But hey its no big deal. Sorry if it caused any offence :)
 
As I stated ABOVE! They MASK their email addresses they send from with a paypal offical email address! Are you really that naive to not actually know what can be done on computers. It is very simple. There is programs you can download and use to send emails that you can enter any email address to be displayed as the sender email. So all you will see is that email address they entered.

This is now off-topic. So I will not continue it in this thread! I suggest maybe google is your friend if you want to find out more about how scammers and phishers can mask emails in programs.

Give them the right word for it: Spoofing(Email)
 
the 2 you mentioned are red tiger and playngo games - both low version rtp offerings at vs

I have explained many times that unless your playing hundreds of thousands of games RTP isnt going to matter massively on very high variance games, I'm glad I took my own advice on that, to be not put off playing piggy at VS :D If a slot is on 98%, 96%, 92% very often the chance to hit big is exactly the same on each, you still need LUCK whatever the RTP.


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I have explained many times that unless your playing hundreds of thousands of games RTP isnt going to matter massively on very high variance games, I'm glad I took my own advice on that, to be not put off playing piggy at VS :D If a slot is on 98%, 96%, 92% very often the chance to hit big is exactly the same on each, you still need LUCK whatever the RTP.


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Out of interest, how do you know that win wouldn't have been £6100.70 if you were playing the higher RTP version?
Well done on the win :)
 
Out of interest, how do you know that win wouldn't have been £6100.70 if you were playing the higher RTP version?
Well done on the win :)

Because generally its not how RTP works, I have designed enough slots in my time to know that. Most decent slot designers would shave off the required RTP off the rarer wins so that the base game plays similar or even the same, which don't make them smaller just harder to get. I made one game 92,94,96% and the base game was identical. When you change something from say 1 in 1.2 million to 1 in 3 million etc the average player will not notice any real difference between the two, but I do get what your trying to say :) Without seeing the math of the game there is no way to tell where the RTP difference is.

And thanks :) I still hate red tiger as a whole.
 
I have explained many times that unless your playing hundreds of thousands of games RTP isnt going to matter massively on very high variance games, I'm glad I took my own advice on that, to be not put off playing piggy at VS :D If a slot is on 98%, 96%, 92% very often the chance to hit big is exactly the same on each, you still need LUCK whatever the RTP.


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Alright alright point taken, no need to rub it in with your big wins :eek::D
 
Because generally its not how RTP works, I have designed enough slots in my time to know that. Most decent slot designers would shave off the required RTP off the rarer wins so that the base game plays similar or even the same, which don't make them smaller just harder to get. I made one game 92,94,96% and the base game was identical. When you change something from say 1 in 1.2 million to 1 in 3 million etc the average player will not notice any real difference between the two, but I do get what your trying to say :) Without seeing the math of the game there is no way to tell where the RTP difference is.

And thanks :) I still hate red tiger as a whole.

ok, but is that not what I said? Your win is a rare win, and you said most would shave it off the rare wins, so it it was running at the highest RTP surely you might have got an extra 50%? Obviously there is a difference or why would casinos use the lower versions? Genuinely asking BTW, as I don't understand how a slot running at the lower RTP can not payout less than one at the higher RTP.
 
Because generally its not how RTP works, I have designed enough slots in my time to know that. Most decent slot designers would shave off the required RTP off the rarer wins so that the base game plays similar or even the same, which don't make them smaller just harder to get. I made one game 92,94,96% and the base game was identical. When you change something from say 1 in 1.2 million to 1 in 3 million etc the average player will not notice any real difference between the two, but I do get what your trying to say :) Without seeing the math of the game there is no way to tell where the RTP difference is.

And thanks :) I still hate red tiger as a whole.

Still makes no sense to play a version where the biggest wins are more rare.
Yeah, you can still hit them, obviously, but if given the choice, why choose a worse version of the slot?

Edit: forgot to say, Congratulations on the great hit! :)
 
well I will never get an email like that. because I playing it out. then done. never thought I would say that about vs. but in my opinion they have lost the special touch they used to have with their loyal customers. I miss the freebies, the race, and when netent came back, no more separate battles for canadians. yes I miss the zoom battle, the bork battle, least I stood a chance. lol I none of you UK players feel sorry for me. no love. lol
 
ok, but is that not what I said? Your win is a rare win, and you said most would shave it off the rare wins, so it it was running at the highest RTP surely you might have got an extra 50%? Obviously there is a difference or why would casinos use the lower versions? Genuinely asking BTW, as I don't understand how a slot running at the lower RTP can not payout less than one at the higher RTP.

It can pay out the same kind of big wins, just less often.
Like he said, maybe its 1 in 3 million instead of 1 in 1.5 million to hit a win over 1000x for example.
So no matter if playing 1 spin or a billion, it makes no sense whatsoever to choose a version with lower rtp% if you have the choice to play the same slot with higher rtp.
"most wont notice the change" does not mean its not there.
 
This thread keeps getting off-topic posts in it :D Mine too just now is off-topic :D
 
:D I did not mean it in a nasty way on what I said, and I in no way was making out that I was superior in anyway either. lol.

To be fair it was just that I thought people who have been online for multiple years would know these things already? I have known this for years. But I suppose that is because I researched it and learned about it. I Never expected everyone to know or learn this, but I just thought perhaps the majority of people would know this. But hey its no big deal. Sorry if it caused any offence :)

Knowledge is frowned upon in this decreasingly enlightened era we're in.

Unrelatedly, this documentary is good.

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ok, but is that not what I said? Your win is a rare win, and you said most would shave it off the rare wins, so it it was running at the highest RTP surely you might have got an extra 50%? Obviously there is a difference or why would casinos use the lower versions? Genuinely asking BTW, as I don't understand how a slot running at the lower RTP can not payout less than one at the higher RTP.

Yes your correct it cannot not pay lower on a lower RTP overall in the long run.

Without seeing the math for the game ( which we're NEVER likely to ever get to see ) then we will never know for sure where the % was lowered from, it could be just the top win, or several top wins or any other combination of the above. On any game it only takes one lucky hit on the right stake to overcome the H.E.

On a HV game it can swing 40%+- RTP at least on a 10,000 spin anyway so really people are gonna have to get used to it as its going to be lowered everywhere eventually I have no doubt about that.
 
Still makes no sense to play a version where the biggest wins are more rare.
Yeah, you can still hit them, obviously, but if given the choice, why choose a worse version of the slot?

Edit: forgot to say, Congratulations on the great hit! :)

Because a lower % dont always mean a worse version, it really does depend on where the RTP is distributed, your also talking about the RTP in a way that you cant make money on a lower RTP but thats not true either short ish term. If your luck is in your going to win by overcoming the 4% HE just as easy as 6% HE is all im really trying to say.

We all have our reasons for playing some slots over others and i'm the same when it comes to RTP, unless its crazy lower then im ok with it. Most of the affected games I dont even play anyway ( I so rarely play red tiger, PnGo, Pragmatic ) so its no biggy to me for the odd time I play 100 spins in one.

So back on topic VS still gets 99% of my deposits despite the lower RTP on some games, as the fast free withdraws, wager free spins, battles, large selection of games, good customer service and reps here outweigh the odd 2p in the £1 i play in them.
 
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Because a lower % dont always mean a worse version, it really does depend on where the RTP is distributed, your also talking about the RTP in a way that you cant make money on a lower RTP but thats not true either short ish term. If your luck is in your going to win by overcoming the 4% HE just as easy as 6% HE is all im really trying to say.

We all have our reasons for playing some slots over others and i'm the same when it comes to RTP, unless its crazy lower then im ok with it. Most of the affected games I dont even play anyway ( I so rarely play red tiger, PnGo, Pragmatic ) so its no biggy to me for the odd time I play 100 spins in one.

So back on topic VS still gets 99% of my deposits despite the lower RTP on some games, as the fast free withdraws, wager free spins, battles, large selection of games, good customer service and reps here outweigh the odd 2p in the £1 i play in them.

But saying its as easy to overcome 6% HE as overcoming 4% is just not true.
And as you said, alot of the games probably shave the rtp of the top-wins, to make it least noticeable.
But those are the wins i want, those wins are the reason most sit and spin on the slots.
So no matter if long term or short term, surely it cannot ever make sense to play on a version with lower rtp if you have the option for the same slot with higher rtp.

And im not saying its impossible to hit great wins on a version with lower rtp.
You could hit great wins on a slot running at 50% rtp aswell.
Winning on slots, atleast to the point of withdrawal is not happening everyday, so i cant see any reason to willfully makes my odds worse, when theres no reason to.

If a man selling lotto-tickets offered you two different kinds of tickets.
Price is the same. The only difference is that Ticket-B has smaller chance for the top prizes.
But he says, dont worry, you wont even notice it unless you plan on buying a buttload of tickets.
Or if you are lucky enough, the difference wont matter.
Would you then go for the worse ticket?

I also make most of my deposits at vs, for all the same reasons you mentioned.
And i have never had any trouble there, and will keep playing there going forward.
But if i want to play png or red tiger, ill play elsewhere.

Im still holding on to hope that there will always be some sites offering "full" rtp.
I think it will be a good way to attract customers once too many sites have chosen to lower the rtp.
The biggest question is probably if there is enough people that know about rtp to make it worth running a site using full rtp.
 
We have been through this already. Lower RTP will always be worst. Even 10 times worst.
The bear is right.

  1. "The game could be better" is a really extreme scenario, like 1/billion.
  2. Big very rare wins take no more than 2-3% of the RTP usually so you can't take a 4-12% RTP from them alone.
  3. Any "you will be ok" scenario is based on lucky short sessions on high variance games with small RTP reduction. :rolleyes:
  4. Lower RTP doesn't mean you will lose more money, only that you will lose faster. You will lose the fun.
  5. We don't have to get used to anything. We only need to inform each other and react.
 
Dont really understand the arguments about rtp,s.Simple fact is that in the long term the machine will
pay out the stated percentage, in the short term there can be swings in both directions which is the only
reason we play them but play for long enough and it will hit its target.( may not apply to Donuts)
 
i think all RTP is BS now all poor luck,I think all slots are script,is impossible to do like 1500-2000 spins without pay out,or without bonus,or you go 100 spins and you get 1-2 bonus,
compare casinos or game provider you will,For example, if we take £100 of wagers, on average, pay out £96.24 of wins on RTP 96.24% this is big BS,If i win all time i wager £100 and i get payout average £96,24 back i will never lose as I lost all january,or I win all november and december,is all control how much slots are pay by casinos or game provider
 
Hi,

@spoo42 - The trophies will be added in a moment. Thank you for notifying us!

@geordiecolin - We briefly tested this ourselves and it seemed to be working. It has, however, been sent to our tech team who will take a closer look and make sure it works as intended.

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Hi @spoo42,

That's correct, unfortunately. The progress will start from the point when the trophies were added.

Regarding the Last Played-feature, we are speaking to our tech team about that. It should be working as intended again shortly.

Best regards,
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If I pay to play a Battle and I am, according to the lobby, in the money when the time is out. I expect that's the final result. Nope, yet again I somehow got knocked down a place. This is maybe the 5th time this has happened and tonight it felt like I was getting robbed.

I'm on a horrendous run and as a swede you get barely nothing back anymore. Weekend booster is minimal, the wheel (which I never get anymore) is always 10 or 30 SEK, the games chosen for battles on Thursdays and weekend battles are impossible to win anything on and a giant waste of time.

Guess what i'm saying is i'd rather have higher RTP because the things we "get" instead is far worse.
 
Having a TERRIBLE run on VS at the moment - can't seem to get up and running on anything at all these past few weeks.

Anyone have recommendations on slowly building up a £25 deposit for some decent playtime? I think I need to change my methods as the luck has run out for now!
 
If I pay to play a Battle and I am, according to the lobby, in the money when the time is out. I expect that's the final result. Nope, yet again I somehow got knocked down a place. This is maybe the 5th time this has happened and tonight it felt like I was getting robbed.

I'm on a horrendous run and as a swede you get barely nothing back anymore. Weekend booster is minimal, the wheel (which I never get anymore) is always 10 or 30 SEK, the games chosen for battles on Thursdays and weekend battles are impossible to win anything on and a giant waste of time.

Guess what i'm saying is i'd rather have higher RTP because the things we "get" instead is far worse.

Its the same for me.

I got the 10Euro (100 kronor) win from the wheel many months ago but after that its just the 1, 3 or 5Euro if im "lucky".

I hope that Videoslots come up with something better soon!
 
Having a TERRIBLE run on VS at the moment - can't seem to get up and running on anything at all these past few weeks.

Anyone have recommendations on slowly building up a £25 deposit for some decent playtime? I think I need to change my methods as the luck has run out for now!
I attempt to play the long game to start off with if I have been having a bad run. Low roll on the likes of DOA in the hope of a hit good enough to at least take me back to my starting balance because it at least gives a reasonable chance of some gametime with £25. Then seek out some 10p/20p slots at a provider you have never/seldom played. I sometimes feel that playing too much of a fave provider is overkill for your fortunes.
One thing I would avoid is high varience with a provider that you use too often and has provided your last big win.
We all know that there is no magic formular but I just thought that I would give a reply .
Good luck with your next deposit :)
 
Hi @Team.Videoslots
Rolled up on a month now on what seems an easy issue should have been solved way, way back.
I mean, is the provider just not answering your emails or are you guys just not bothering? Or is it really some insanely difficult thing I'm looking at another month for?
Ty
 
I am sure that I have noticed the decrease in the amount of new games that give a blue reward and that those that do are harder to trigger?
How are we to know which slots give rewards and is there providers that seldom/never give rewards now?

The difficulty yes. Feels impossible to get 4 wins on many new games.
How many have a reward: Not sure, I don't/can't play all of them.
I use the

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to see all games with trophies. But that doesn't mean they also have a reward.
 
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