Videoslot Strategy

[Jokeman55]

I'm sure I will get some laughs for this one but what the hell? Ok here goes. In the last couple of years I've had some moderate success and have been profitable using certain line and betting patterns on videoslots..just wondering if anyone else has tried some betting strategies and experienced similar results. PS this is not martingale or other well known strategy.

 

[randomiam]

interesting quiestion

i might sound mad but i swear i see the same losing pattens in games over and over and also notice that some things come up and 90% of the time there followed by a feature but if you raise bet it resets im most likely mad ive noticed with imr that if you bet 60 it pays more wins than if you pay 90 and 120 is the same as 60 kinda weird alot of people play 5 lines less than top bet so 20 instead of 25 ect and you see the wins go by on the lines your not playing but you got to think if you where playing those lines you wouldn't of seen those combinations feel free to share you strategy

 

[miso]

There`s nothing mad about it. Yes slots are random, but I honestly don`t remember when
was the last time I got some huge win out of the blue. Slots are either cold or warm, the
best strategy is to get the hell out of there when I am getting too many dead spins.
No more chasing bonus rounds

 

[brianmon]

I've often played 25 and 30 line slots at 15 lines, but at twice the stake i would have played, if I'd played max lines, and done quite well from it.

Obviously you notice a few 'wins' that you would have won, if you'd played max lines. but any 4OAK's 5OAK's you do happen to hit, pay twice what they would have for the same/similar stake. I suppose you're basically changing the variance.

It's a pity it doesn't work the other way. Just imagine DOA on 25 lines, but with the same paytable, lol

 

[Jokeman55]

random or not

Even though we all know its RnG. There are patterns that I can't deny...for example..you often hit a BJ..after dealer..hits...next free spins features often cluster between 10 20 spins of each other...using that I use autoplay with lesslines for long runs 50 to 100..then go ten spins at higher bet and all lines..then repeat...the main thing is balance stays in relative same range..if feature hits I may switch up..PS...I'm quitting blackjack as I seem to get killed all the time....try it and let me.know...good luck.

 

[PoissonX]

I don't believe in any system that is based on percieved regularities in the outcome of a slot machine. There are some features that results in different payout depending on number of bet-lines played though. Scatter wins that are not free-spins could if implemented uncarefully result in bet-line dependen payout for example.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I have my system for the AWP games offered by Microgaming, and have had some awesome wins. I too have endured ridicule, teasing, and laughter. AWPs are a peculiarity of the UK, and the system does not work on the Vegas or Aussie style slot games.

However, my Munchkins system is based on how the scatters fall, and there seems to be a cycle where the slot warms up and delivers a sequence of bonus rounds fairly close together, one of which normally has retriggers, before the slot cools and can go over 600 spins without a bonus round. This is a true "feel it in my bones" system, it cannot be analysed mathematically, those who try fail, and then offer me a discount on a tin foil hat

 

[Nifty29]

I have my system for the AWP games offered by Microgaming, and have had some awesome wins. I too have endured ridicule, teasing, and laughter. AWPs are a peculiarity of the UK, and the system does not work on the Vegas or Aussie style slot games.

However, my Munchkins system is based on how the scatters fall, and there seems to be a cycle where the slot warms up and delivers a sequence of bonus rounds fairly close together, one of which normally has retriggers, before the slot cools and can go over 600 spins without a bonus round. This is a true "feel it in my bones" system, it cannot be analysed mathematically, those who try fail, and then offer me a discount on a tin foil hat

Systems are a load of BS......regardless of what kind of slot or table game you're talking about.

Shovelling money into an AWP until it pays isn't some magical way to beat the house. Any player can do this on any slot and occasionally end up with an "awesome" win. The TRTP is less than 100% and will catch up with every player regardless of how they play.

You can't predict with any degree of accuracy when a big win is going to happen....and if you can't predict or "force" one to occur, then your system/method isn't worth spit. Remember....you made a prediction in the forums not long ago that the AWP was "telling you" it was about to pay a "megastreak"....and it was an epic fail. Hitting a big win once every few years (like you have) is just asikely to happen to anyone else who plays at the volume that you do.

I'll close by reiterating my first remark...systems are total BS.

 

[Jory]

A truely random video slot can not have a winning strategy.

If you play using a strategy and win, you will credit your win to the use of your strategy rather than "luck". Over time this creates the illusion that your stratey works.

 

[chayton]

About 10 years ago there was an e-book for sale online that explained 'WINNING SLOT STRATEGIES!!!" and some excerpts for free were things like, "...if you notice that the jackpot symbols are landing close to the line, jack up your bet because they're going to hit soon!" or, "If the jackpot symbols land on a zigzag pattern that's not a winning line, bet as high as you can because it will hit soon!"

I remember I laughed so hard I got the hiccups. But now I'm sad thinking if anyone actually bought that book and followed the advice in it, they're probably not doing too well today.

 

[Jokeman55]

strategy

Try it before you discredit it...nothing is ever guaranteed..but I'm winning over time...like a poker pro...it works because if you bet the right way you maintain your balance until it finally pays.

 

[Jokeman55]

strategy

I once played and kept my balance between $85 and $120 dollars for 3 hours..something I was.NEVER able to do at a land based.

 

[dionysus]

I once played and kept my balance between $85 and $120 dollars for 3 hours..something I was.NEVER able to do at a land based.

well, I'd think the fact that you did it just the once shows it's not really terribly effective. And comparing land based to online, isn't really the same ball-park, never mind the same sport. B and Ms can see trtpS as low as the 80s while online has trtps around mid to high 90s.

 

[rockycatt]

at your mercy i believe that playing on as in more spins while the game is repetitively rewarding you with a break even reward level of play - will change immediately if you bump up the bet

now im going to duck the stones
R.C.

 

[brianmon]

at your mercy i believe that playing on as in more spins while the game is repetitively rewarding you with a break even reward level of play - will change immediately if you bump up the bet

now im going to duck the stones
R.C.

Totally agree

 

[nikantw]

Just try to have fun. The only "strategy" that works.

 

[KasinoKing]

The only strategy which works is quitting when ahead more often than quitting while down...

KK

 

[Nifty29]

Try it before you discredit it...nothing is ever guaranteed..but I'm winning over time...like a poker pro...it works because if you bet the right way you maintain your balance until it finally pays.

So, you've kept meticulous records detailing every deposit and withdrawal since your "strategy"started? You would have to, or your claims are really just guesses.

You need to also deduct fees etc.

You can't play slots like a poker pro....that's absolutely ridiculous. Skill has NOTHING to do with slots play and plays no part in whether you win or lose.

 

[varverooo]

I have tried different slots, bet sizes, changing bet sizes every few spins, upping my bet after i noticed it starts to pay well. It all doesnt work on a regular basis. You're either lucky or not. I sometimes have like several really bad sessions in a row with RTPS below 50%, sometimes several sessions with awesome wins in a row (though that happens rarely but it does). Its not predictable and someone who believes they can figure out a strategy that works in the long run is just wating their time.

 

[Googobucs]

The only winning strategy I have found, at least in land based is to always eat something when you get there before you start playing. That way you don't go home broke & hungry.

 

[shapesy]

So, you've kept meticulous records detailing every deposit and withdrawal since your "strategy"started? You would have to, or your claims are really just guesses.

You need to also deduct fees etc.

You can't play slots like a poker pro....that's absolutely ridiculous. Skill has NOTHING to do with slots play and plays no part in whether you win or lose.

thought the slot called" the back nine" had a true skill feature . seem to re-call chopley doing rather well on it. something to do with golf

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

thought the slot called" the back nine" had a true skill feature . seem to re-call chopley doing rather well on it. something to do with golf

I would say playing slot has got skill as a massive part!!! Pressing the spin button at the right time...... Just a shame I seem so trigger happy

 

[Nifty29]

thought the slot called" the back nine" had a true skill feature . seem to re-call chopley doing rather well on it. something to do with golf

I knew I should have qualified my statement by saying "99.9% of slots" or somesuch.

Yes, there is a skill element in that game....but it's only the feature round. Actually triggering it is not influenced by skill in any way whatsoever.

Apart from an incredibly tiny number of slots with a skill based feature, there is NOTHING that ANY player can do to influence the outcome. In other words, systems do NOT work. Upping your bet at set times does NOT work. Rubbing the monitor does NOT work. Keeping one's balance between x and y does NOT work (there's only one way to do that consistently....keep depositing or spin once a day).

We all have our "ways" or habits while we play. Nothing wrong with that....it's part of the fun! When one starts to believe that they provide an edge over the house, or influence the outcome, then they become DELUSIONS....and can push a gambler into VERY dangerous territory. A gambler who is convinced they can win over time by playing a certain way, or even just in general, is IMO far more vulnerable to developing a serious addiction.

 

[KasinoKing]

thought the slot called" the back nine" had a true skill feature . seem to re-call chopley doing rather well on it. something to do with golf

Yes Rival do have 3 slots with a true skill element; The two golf themed ones and Cosmic Quest Episode II (possibly Rock On too?)
They have lots of others with bonus rounds which appear to be skill based - but in actual fact it doesn't make any difference how well or badly you perform - the wins are predetermined.

But in any event, I have always assumed that the stated RTPs for these games is based on doing the best possible in the skill sections - so the level of skill (or lack of it) a player demonstrates can only reduce his winning potential, not increase it.
i.e. Even the most skillful players will never get above the stated RTP for the games long term.

KK

 

[Jokeman55]

AWP???

I have my system for the AWP games offered by Microgaming, and have had some awesome wins. I too have endured ridicule, teasing, and laughter. AWPs are a peculiarity of the UK, and the system does not work on the Vegas or Aussie style slot games.

However, my Munchkins system is based on how the scatters fall, and there seems to be a cycle where the slot warms up and delivers a sequence of bonus rounds fairly close together, one of which normally has retriggers, before the slot cools and can go over 600 spins without a bonus round. This is a true "feel it in my bones" system, it cannot be analysed mathematically, those who try fail, and then offer me a discount on a tin foil hat

What is AWP?

 

[Jokeman55]

misquote

well, I'd think the fact that you did it just the once shows it's not really terribly effective. And comparing land based to online, isn't really the same ball-park, never mind the same sport. B and Ms can see trtpS as low as the 80s while online has trtps around mid to high 90s.

My bad...I ve done it many times.

 

[Jokeman55]

skill

It takes SKILL or discipline or whatever you want to call it to control how you bet...

 

[Nifty29]

It takes SKILL or discipline or whatever you want to call it to control how you bet...

Discipline....absolutely.

However, it has absolutely NO bearing on the payout of the game...hence, it's not a way to beat the games or whatever. It IS a way to effectively manage your bankroll...but that's all.

Skill plays NO part in winning or losing on a slot (except the few mentioned earlier and it doesn't actually INCREASE the payout to over 100%)

The online AWPs can NOT be made to payout more than their set TRTP....just like any slot, sometimes you win and sometimes not. Those who claim they can are deluding themselves, and will never disclose the money that really goes IN to extract the "big wins"....and the big losses.

 

[rshkrn]

I feel you can "claim to use" some strategy or the other when gambling with a slightly lesser number of outcomes (even then it's luck!!) e.g. Roulette....you can have a record of the 33/34 no.s and go by probability or choose a certain number betting system...

with slots the permutations are just so many that any probability factor is gone because you don't really have a way to note down all results.....plus......mostly the no. of spins is just going to seem a small sample size....

 

[sparkz]

My only sort of strategy is on slots like the 243 ways MG slots.

Say I hit a bonus, I will try 10 spins after the bonus. It always seems to go 1 of 2 ways, either it pays ok or I have 10 losing spins with nothing which makes me think its gonna just skank me so I try something else.

Isn't it funny though that after a bonus, the slot can just become very tight and take everything you won during the bonus off you in quick succession by giving 10+ dead spins in a row, then a pathetic win of not even a fraction of bet value, followed by 10+ more dead spins.

Anyway, the only other thing I do is if the slot feels like its playing tight, I will say "right, 10 more spins then i'm done on this 1".

I will do 10 more spins and depending weather anything nice is paid in those 10 spins, I may say I will continue spinning until the next win or next time I get 2 scatters.



Of course, its all in my head and the "strategy's" probably have no effect

 

[Jokeman55]

strategy

In my last 20 deposits I cashed 7 times and my winnings more than quadrupled my losses. Maybe short term luck??? Have a nice day.

 

[Nifty29]

In my last 20 deposits I cashed 7 times and my winnings more than quadrupled my losses. Maybe short term luck??? Have a nice day.

Not "maybe".

It's blurring the real picture to take one period of play and base your "claims" on it.

It's about long term results. Anyone can win in the short term playing ANY kind of "strategy"....unless you can control the outcome of the game, which you can't, then your "strategy" is worthless.

 

[dionysus]

7 out of 20? doesnt sound like a very effective strategy...means you're wrong more than half the time

 

[Jokeman55]

wins

Interesting how you focused on the 7 out of 20 part and not on how the winnings were much greater than the losses.

It seems like a lot of pessimism here...why play then?


It could have have been 11 but that's where my lack of discipline kicked in...that's the real challenging part.


Good Luck out there

 

[dionysus]

Not pessimistic - pragmatic.
Last year, for the final 6 months, I was up from my deposits, several withdraws 10X my deposit over the month (100 in, 1k out). That puts my 10x against your 4x, and my 1 in 2 against your 7 in 20.
Want to know my strategy? I hit the spin button.

If you had a system with any merit, you'd be out on your yacht sipping champagne, not here in CM telling the masses. The fact is, systems don't work. Can you play smart? Sure.Mostly, dep what you can afford to lose and cross your fingers. Beyond that, suggesting systems work is a disservice to any new players to the slots world coming in here and reading the thread.

And by the way, 11 of 20 still displays your system doesn't work with any reliability, regardless of how much your occasional wins were. That's called random good luck.

 

[Nifty29]

Interesting how you focused on the 7 out of 20 part and not on how the winnings were much greater than the losses.

It seems like a lot of pessimism here...why play then?


It could have have been 11 but that's where my lack of discipline kicked in...that's the real challenging part.


Good Luck out there

Look...I'll be direct...

If you REALLY think that ANYTHING you do....whether it be changing bet amounts at certain times, playing a particular slot when it is displaying certain symbols, rubbing the screen or praying to whatever deity or higher power you believe in....actually INCREASES your RTP and/or results....then you are DELUSIONAL.

Sorry, but that's a fact, Jack.

Withdrawing at set profit levels etc is about bankroll management. Yes, it CAN produce healthier overall bankrolls that last longer, but unless you do it once and then stop playing forever, then you will lose just the same as everyone else who never cashes out....it will just take longer.

If you play regularly, it is totally misleading to take a period of 20 deposits, show a profit, and then claim you have some kind of "system" or whatever that gives you an "edge". You don't, because there isn't one (well not since bonus WR increased over about 10x...even then it's only a thin theoretical edge and NOTHING to do with the games themselves).

What you're experiencing is what's known in the biz as a "winning streak". You WILL have a losing streak before long, which will be proof of the fact that you have absolutely NO control over the outcome of the games. Of course, like any good conspiracy theorist or "systems" proponent, you won't come here and tell us all about it

If you had a system with any merit, you'd be out on your yacht sipping champagne, not here in CM telling the masses.

100% spot on.

A system etc is totally useless if it only works sometimes.

If you did have a meritorious system, you would be both very wealthy, and most likely banned from every casino you joined and will join. If YOU know how to "beat" them, then there are sure to be far smarter people than you or I out there "beating" them, which would mean casinos wouldn't be a viable business.

 

[Jokeman55]

system

You misjudged and assumed everything I claim in my statements..I never claimed to have a foolproofwinning strategy...I just said I had betting methods that improve my odds. I never claimed anything other thant that. I also never claimed topredict outcomes at any given spin...Good Luck out there.

 

[lovator]

u just played for the first time slots,i lost all on roulette so i was thinking i will spend the rest just to see how the game works
i had left 13$,first i won 75$,then got onto 88$ in around 2 minutes,so i figured if i got 88$ from 13$ in 2 minutes,imagine what i can do with 88$ ,so i continued to play 1.5$ per bet,half hour later i lost all
so i learned important lesson

 

[john39]

What I try to do is set a win/loss point on a paticular slot I am playing in my head and stop playing that slot and that point such as if I at $150 not to play if I go bellow $100 or win more than $150 but maybe thats bad because some people think never move away from a hot machine,I believe RNG do go in cycles, remember that guy that worked for the regulatory commssion that was able to find the pattern with keno but got busted in new jersey

Anyway for me its just random, and land based casinos I just cash out a tito when I hit a big win, put that in mypocket than put $20 more in, if I lose that I move on, hard to do that on online casinos

 

[sigothx1]

You misjudged and assumed everything I claim in my statements..I never claimed to have a foolproofwinning strategy...I just said I had betting methods that improve my odds. I never claimed anything other thant that. I also never claimed topredict outcomes at any given spin...Good Luck out there.

You cant seem to grasp the concept that nothing you, me or anyone else who plays slots does can "improve" your odds, As its been explained, you can manage your bankroll effectively, You can be a bonus hunter, You can play for comps, You can enter freerolls/competitions, you can use coupons and anything else you can think of.

but when me and you both hit that spin button, our chances of winning are 100% the same chance, you have not improved your odds.

 

[Jokeman55]

odds

You keep doubting...I ll keep winning...I'm up for over 2 years...

 

[Nifty29]

You keep doubting...I ll keep winning...I'm up for over 2 years...

Awesome.

Lets see the spreadsheet with every single deposit and withdrawal at every casino over 2 years and associated fees. You would have to keep such records to make such a statement, so you may as well post them. I mean, just so we can see how you're taking the casinos for a ride and all.

You might be "up" over 2 years....but if that's true, it's due to bankroll management and dumb luck....neither of which are related to anything you can do to improve the odds of the games themselves.

Still, why let facts get in the way of a good delusion, eh?

 

[john39]

You cant seem to grasp the concept that nothing you, me or anyone else who plays slots does can "improve" your odds, As its been explained, you can manage your bankroll effectively, You can be a bonus hunter, You can play for comps, You can enter freerolls/competitions, you can use coupons and anything else you can think of.

but when me and you both hit that spin button, our chances of winning are 100% the same chance, you have not improved your odds.

thats true howver knowing payback % could help you play longer with less cash

 

[sigothx1]

Awesome.

Lets see the spreadsheet with every single deposit and withdrawal at every casino over 2 years and associated fees. You would have to keep such records to make such a statement, so you may as well post them. I mean, just so we can see how you're taking the casinos for a ride and all.

You might be "up" over 2 years....but if that's true, it's due to bankroll management and dumb luck....neither of which are related to anything you can do to improve the odds of the games themselves.

Still, why let facts get in the way of a good delusion, eh?

Id also love to see this data!

wont get my hopes up mind.

 

[Jokeman55]

Proof

My bank account is my proof...I m just a player I don't keep meticulous records...by the way...today I.cashed the max on a $140 chip which was $700....it had a massive $8000 playthrough requirement...took 7 hrs...how could it be possible without a strategy??? Keept doubting..I ll keep winning...good luck.

 

[dionysus]

My bank account is my proof...I m just a player I don't keep meticulous records...by the way...today I.cashed the max on a $140 chip which was $700....it had a massive $8000 playthrough requirement...took 7 hrs...how could it be possible without a strategy??? Keept doubting..I ll keep winning...good luck.

easy - it's called 'grinding through WR'...and my 74 yr old mother can do it by hitting spin repeatedly
I've had monster bonuses back in the day of 400-800% (BetPhoenix)...now THAT was a monster Wr. Ended up getting bonus banned because I made WR and withdrew so often (1st and only casino to do it to me, for the simple reason, I bet, stayed up 24 hrs and ground it though)....no strategy, just spun. I could stick my niece in front of the computer and say 'push the button, sweetie'

Oh, and congrats on still winning....awesome-sauce. You've managed to do what loads of players have done....won!
Until they lose

 

[Jokeman55]

wow

But you have to have a betting strategy..bet same amount and lines consistently and you will zero out...strategy works period.

 

[Nifty29]

But you have to have a betting strategy..bet same amount and lines consistently and you will zero out...strategy works period.

The only thing that makes you zero out faster is higher bets.

Consistent lines and bets has absolutely no bearing on the RTP I.e. reducing lines and increasing bets just makes it higher variance.

It doesnt matter how you play, the TRTP is the same.

How you manage your bankroll is another story....but it's got nothing to do with winning in the long run....it just delays losing a bit longer, but you WILL lose.

You keep deluding yourself, and I'll keep giggling.

 

[Jokeman55]

betting strategy

Lets say you are in a slot session and in 1000 bets you hit for more than your bet from about 100 to 150 of those spins...and let's say on that you lose on 800 to 850 spins...would it make sense for your betting ratio to try and match that???? And wouldn't that affect RTP in the short term???

This has been working for me...I'm sorry you have doubts.