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Trump just finished at the National Association of Black Journalists in some Q&A session I think few were even aware of!

Talk about going into the lion's den, saw a bit of it, whereby you could sense the unease and general awkwardness, with some tetchiness on display. He definitely did not like one of the three hosts, seemed cordial with another and looked like he found mutual respect with the eldest of the three, from the five minutes I caught.

Still, before long it had turned into a laugh riot, and with that his job was done. Amazing scenes!
Looks like they lied to him and race baited him. They told him Kamala was going to be there so he could debate her in front of the black community. She didnt come and then he asked for it be on Zoom then and they said they cant. He seems a bit pissed about being baited to this but even in Chicago the crowd seems to like him
 
Trump just finished at the National Association of Black Journalists in some Q&A session I think few were even aware of!

Talk about going into the lion's den, saw a bit of it, whereby you could sense the unease and general awkwardness, with some tetchiness on display. He definitely did not like one of the three hosts, seemed cordial with another and looked like he found mutual respect with the eldest of the three, from the five minutes I caught.

Still, before long it had turned into a laugh riot, and with that his job was done. Amazing scenes!
She was Indian and proud at one point.
 
So here we are again Trump supporters justifying what the criminal says and re-wording what he said to fit their own views and agendas.

What people fail to see or understand is what he says are so blatantly obvious the context is there and there is no other meanings to what he says,, he is being blatantly obvious. He is saying exactly what he will do if he gets his second term. All those that twist his words and try and say this is what he meant are just trying to justify what he says in a way they want what he says to mean.

Vance has alienated pretty much most women in the usa with his nasty weird remarks. Funny how you are saying Harris is weird lmfao, Trump is the weird one here, again that is a attack on Harris using the same words that everyone else and the media is calling trump and vance.

Nothing to see here.

People in other countries are very very concerned if the criminal wins a second term. That is why me being in the UK is worried. He will cause mayhem for everyone in the world not just in the USA
 
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Criticizing past Presidents or Kamala doesn't make someone a Trump supporter by default, hard though it may be to comprehend, especially at a point in history where everyone has to pick 'sides'.

I'd be just as concerned at a presidential nominee using her ethnic background to gain political capital when it suits. Many have mixed heritage, yet her Southern- accented speech was quite the stretch for a woman claiming her Indian heritage for years, with almost no mention of her Jamaican roots.

And yet it's ok for her to culturally appropriate a way of talking to the attendees suddenly, and no more's said about it.

Lest we forget, in amongst her 20-minute speech, she even quoted "Don't talk the talk if you ain't gotst the walk" 🤔

JFK's "Ich bin ein Berliner" it certainly wasn't :laugh:

She worked the crowd, stating she'd fix border controls (that she bonkled), some form of universal healthcare (unworkable) and tightening gun controls with enhanced background checks.

Also featured was curbing inflation and limiting landlords' powers, all fine in principle, but not particularly grounded in any sense of realism. The only thing she was spot-on with was abortion rights, albeit some may still favour states' individual autonomy to rule on this matter, which some *could* argue is equally just.

Then some Megan Thee Stallion, some twerking and that's all she wrote.

Not 'going back' to conservative values is one thing, but fronting about debating Trump 'anywhere, anytime' and then deciding she's busy that night doesn't exactly smack of trustworthiness, and amounts to basically hot air.

One'd think politicians are liars or something! :D
 
Not 'going back' to conservative values is one thing, but fronting about debating Trump 'anywhere, anytime' and then deciding she's busy that night doesn't exactly smack of trustworthiness, and amounts to basically hot air.

One'd think politicians are liars or something! :D

Excuse me? It is Trump who cancelled debating Harris, using the excuse "waiting for her to be official candidate" Harris is not the one backing out of debates, it is the criminal who is running scared!
 
RJ, It's not blatantly obvious. He addresses his meaning and there is video footage. As recent as his meeting today actually. He just says dumb needless shit when we shouldnt have to guess what he means or they have to ask him later down the road to clarify

You know the difference between you and I? I can say Kamala is weird and I can say Trump is weird.

Im just curious. Do you take any issue with Bidens previous racist comments? Bidens druggie criminal son? Bidens business dealings and crimes? Bidens insane lying? Biden would have been convicted of crimes but a democratic judge deemed him incompetent to stand trial. Any issue with this?

Do you know why you ignore all of the above? I do.



Trump is scared to debate Kamala?

You my friend have been totally abducted by one party lol
 
Excuse me? It is Trump who cancelled debating Harris, using the excuse "waiting for her to be official candidate" Harris is not the one backing out of debates, it is the criminal who is running scared!
I take it you've not followed tonight's timeline and her non-attendance at the National Association of Black Journalists, in-person or by Zoom?

As for the September debate, I'd expect that to go ahead. Why would he not?
 
I take it you've not followed tonight's timeline and her non-attendance at the National Association of Black Journalists, in-person or by Zoom?

As for the September debate, I'd expect that to go ahead. Why would he not?

I am sure she had a good reason for her absence, of course you will use that against her :P
 
Same back to you
 
Trump just finished at the National Association of Black Journalists in some Q&A session I think few were even aware of!

Talk about going into the lion's den, saw a bit of it, whereby you could sense the unease and general awkwardness, with some tetchiness on display. He definitely did not like one of the three hosts, seemed cordial with another and looked like he found mutual respect with the eldest of the three, from the five minutes I caught.

Still, before long it had turned into a laugh riot, and with that his job was done. Amazing scenes!

I watched the whole thing. Sort of. I was playing Warcraft Rumble at the same time.

Trump was pretty awful, yes the opening question was fairly combative but then Trump has said a lot of horrible shit over the years, all the interviewer really did was repeat a small subset of it back to him, and straight away he's off complaining about how horrible and unfair it all is, because that's a look becoming of an ex-President of the USA who's asking the people to give him another term.

It was essentially his standard issue grievance-a-thon punctuated by constant provably false claims and other nonsense, delivered with all the grace of a mangey dog shitting on your lawn.

I called this last week but I'm even more convinced with each passing day, Harris is going to be the next President of the United States.

Labour government in the UK and a Democratic President in the States - excellent!
 
I personally believe most democratic voters dont even know who or what they are voting for. They watch the mainstream, get told what to do and just do it. Kamala cant even form a sentence. She talks in weird circles.

People still think Obama was the best president ever. Because he is a good speaker and charasmatic. You tell them that he droned thousands of woman and children, they dont care or dont even know about it. The media says hes the greatest, so they must obey. Nevermind all the race baiting and race wars he started. The guy ordered a drone hit at a funeral and killed 50 innocent woman, children, and old people. (and thats only 10% of his drone hits)

Some people still love George W Bush even though he is clearly a war criminal that got thousands of US citizens and soldiers killed.

If its in a far away land, it isnt reality to these people.

Media: Orange man bad! Switch turns on in their heads and they suddenly start humming and repeating it "oranngee mannn badd"
Where do you get your news/info from? Most people don’t have a direct line to Trump/Harris or anyone of authority within each party.
 
I found last weeks visit of Netanyahu utterly sickening. Something like 23 standing ovations plus applauses in less than an hour despite his lies and propaganda. This was from both sides which tells us whole is really in charge of who.
Then recently we seen 7 Israeli soldiers convicted of sodomising prisoners who pleaded self defence only for other soldiers to break down the jail and freed them. The court has squashed those convictions.
This from "the only democracy in the middle east"
Genocide and war crimes are given standing ovations and tonnes of tax payer money as a reward despite never asking the people what they think.
What a shit world we live in
 
Not just in the US Colin, but everywhere. Look at the policing in London over the past few months. Then we have the shocking scenes in Southport the other day, 3 children murdered. The internet going into overdrive that the person responsible is a son of immigrants.

Well he turns 18 on 7th August. It will be interesting to see if reporting restrictions are lifted.

I am absolutely not in any shape or form condoning the riots in Southport, London last night and elsewhere. But trust in government and the police is now at very very low levels.

This is amazing, I have threadjacked the US thread and turned it into one about perceived two tier policing in the UK :D
 
Not just in the US Colin, but everywhere. Look at the policing in London over the past few months. Then we have the shocking scenes in Southport the other day, 3 children murdered. The internet going into overdrive that the person responsible is a son of immigrants.

Well he turns 18 on 7th August. It will be interesting to see if reporting restrictions are lifted.

I am absolutely not in any shape or form condoning the riots in Southport, London last night and elsewhere. But trust in government and the police is now at very very low levels.

This is amazing, I have threadjacked the US thread and turned it into one about perceived two tier policing in the UK :D

BIB - But question is did you get that info from social media? I am not sure if the mainstream media have verified that yet or not? So until they report that news as genuine we just have to wait I suppose, but he did get charged today and had his plea hearing in court this morning.

What I am more worried about is when his name if it does get revealed if the judge allows it is it might still cause even more unrest, the names I saw on social media are all foreign names purposely which is what started the shitstorm that we have witnessed the last 2 days.

If his name is British which I think it might be seeming he was born in Cardiff will shut down all the far right scumbags hopefully anyway. But I suspect they will still find something to continue their hatred.

I also just cross posted too in a reply to you :D

I also this morning saw a post on X that was about a bus driver in his 50's mad football fan stabbed to death last night in London. I am guessing that is fallout from the riots. But again police or media are not reporting about that yet. He is a nobody? he was a black man as well who was killed. I also saw another video on X of a far right scumbag punching a black bystander who was just walking down the street probably just going home or going to the shop. It is totally disgusting behaviour, I hope the police track them all down and they get sent to jail.

EDIT: So yes he is 18 next week, Just heard on Sky News now.
 
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Not just in the US Colin, but everywhere. Look at the policing in London over the past few months. Then we have the shocking scenes in Southport the other day, 3 children murdered. The internet going into overdrive that the person responsible is a son of immigrants.

Well he turns 18 on 7th August. It will be interesting to see if reporting restrictions are lifted.

I am absolutely not in any shape or form condoning the riots in Southport, London last night and elsewhere. But trust in government and the police is now at very very low levels.

This is amazing, I have threadjacked the US thread and turned it into one about perceived two tier policing in the UK :D
I think that there is a correlation between what we see happening in America and in the UK.
I also believe that most people in both countries want to simply live life in peace and without endless domestic social conflicts, wars and division's. But governments and media keep promoting such conditions
 
I think that there is a correlation between what we see happening in America and in the UK.
I also believe that most people in both countries want to simply live life in peace and without endless domestic social conflicts, wars and division's. But governments and media keep promoting such conditions

Now that is something you have said that I actually agree with. That is something everyone wants. I have said media is to blame for pretty much everything wrong in the world numerous times myself.

Media stir up a lot of shit. But for example the likes of GBNews in the uk that is basically a clone of FOX news but for the UK. Makes it even worse as well.

But at the end of the day people with extreme views will at some point break and what results is what we saw play out the last few days. Now he has been named because his is Rwandan Heritage will not make the riots stop I do not think which is a shame.

What you said is true about what is happening in the USA with Trump going after Immigrants as well etc.

It is probably the only points we might actually agree on lol
 
Where do you get your news/info from? Most people don’t have a direct line to Trump/Harris or anyone of authority within each party.
Numerous fact check websites and then cross reference them or usually video interviews with the person themselves.

Sometimes I talk to them on the phone too. Or when im in their area. stop in, knock on their door. Its weird, anytime I go to a democrats politicians house they usually live on a sheep farm. huh strange!
 
Vance just finished speaking at the Southern Border, marking an impressive upturn of 1 visit, as opposed to Border Czar Kamala's 0!

Also featured were border patrol officers stating their inability to enforce controls and be allowed to do their actual job, due to the aforementioned Border Czar hindering their efforts or just outright obstructing them!

Fentanyl addiction ravaging that region was also mentioned, likely caused by falling from the sky or something? :eek:
 
Google: Fact check news. Then look who owns it. Search them and see if they have any party they are affiliated with. If they are left or right, take it with a grain of salt..or take whatever you are searching and cross reference with another fack check site. Lots out there.

I personally get most of my info from talking to them on the phone and/or zoom.

To reach any democratic politician in the USA dial 988 and you get a direct line
 
Google: Fact check news. Then look who owns it. Search them and see if they have any party they are affiliated with. If they are left or right, take it with a grain of salt..or take whatever you are searching and cross reference with another fack check site. Lots out there.

I personally get most of my info from talking to them on the phone and/or zoom.

To reach any democratic politician in the USA dial 988 and you get a direct line
Or you can simply contact their Jewish handler who will tell you what they think? :p

 
Vance just finished speaking at the Southern Border, marking an impressive upturn of 1 visit, as opposed to Border Czar Kamala's 0!

Also featured were border patrol officers stating their inability to enforce controls and be allowed to do their actual job, due to the aforementioned Border Czar hindering their efforts or just outright obstructing them!

Fentanyl addiction ravaging that region was also mentioned, likely caused by falling from the sky or something? :eek:

But more importantly: do they have a number of "caravans" that are making their way to the US 24/7 on screen yet on Fox News and the likes?
 
Trump just finished at the National Association of Black Journalists in some Q&A session I think few were even aware of!

Talk about going into the lion's den, saw a bit of it, whereby you could sense the unease and general awkwardness, with some tetchiness on display. He definitely did not like one of the three hosts, seemed cordial with another and looked like he found mutual respect with the eldest of the three, from the five minutes I caught.

Still, before long it had turned into a laugh riot, and with that his job was done. Amazing scenes!

This has played out disastrously across the board, even dyed in the wool right wingers like Bill O'Reilly have called it out for the horror show it was.

I like your interpretation from the alternative dimension of Mr Goaty though :)

 
I think we know what the outcome will be now in the USA come November the 5th.

I am just hoping with all hopes Trump does not cause more attacks on congress or worse cause a civil war because he will again state the election was rigged lol
 
This has played out disastrously across the board, even dyed in the wool right wingers like Bill O'Reilly have called it out for the horror show it was.

I like your interpretation from the alternative dimension of Mr Goaty though :)


That's strange indeed. I hadn't realized Bill O'Reilly was the benchmark by which all people are measured!

Even stranger is hearing others say that he did well, swatting away the buzzing snipes and personal attacks with ease!

They tried to set him up and got pretty butthurt when they tried to continuously talk over him, notably the lady closest to him. Maybe they should have got more professional interviewers! :laugh:
 
The odds are narrowing a bit , 8/11 Trump 11/10 Harris.
A big player in this will be Robert Kennedy as in my opinion if he goes on the ballot in the swing states he’s going to take more Trump votes than Harris votes.
 
This could be a big vote winner if they don't off him first.


He did attempt to take on Big Tech last time round and didn't make notable headway, so if he were to get elected, I think he'd get next to nowhere with Big Pharma in any realistic sense!
 
Google: Fact check news. Then look who owns it. Search them and see if they have any party they are affiliated with. If they are left or right, take it with a grain of salt..or take whatever you are searching and cross reference with another fack check site. Lots out there.

I personally get most of my info from talking to them on the phone and/or zoom.

To reach any democratic politician in the USA dial 988 and you get a direct line
I’ve asked you which of Trump’s specific policies you support and the details on how he will address them. Your response was merely pointing out the issues you perceive need to be addressed, and nothing more than his talking points.

I’ve asked you for specific sources of where you get your news from and you only suggest a broad Google search. I also have no idea who you are talking to on Zoom and phone.

I’m having a hard time separating all this from the brainwashed Trump cultists. Just a general lack of detail on how any of this will be addressed, and any substance behind your claims.

My views are generally right of centre, and I agree with some of what you have posted (although not as aggressively). But I can see that Trump is wrong for the country and world and I could never support someone like that.
 
He did attempt to take on Big Tech last time round and didn't make notable headway, so if he were to get elected, I think he'd get next to nowhere with Big Pharma in any realistic sense!
Maybe he is just paying lip service to the issue but there is a leaked video of him calling RKJ about the issues recently. Maybe he will find a spot for him if he is elected? He would have to change the team of advisors that he had with covid because they did him no favours. But big pharma are about creating customers not curing them. The media will hate Trump for it too as they are heavily funded by them


 
What's racist about that, he's just saying the guys you've been giving permission to run casinos in the native american areas don't look very indian.

So perhaps you're being had or you're on the take.

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Below is from a nytimes 2007 article, you've only got to read between the lines, how much native american blood do you need to set up a casino on tribal land, there's a heck of a lot of money sloshing around, enough to line political pockets.

And remember this lady

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The Sebastians had intermarried with blacks, the Haywards had intermarried with whites, and racial tensions occasionally surfaced in the early days as the tribe began its gambling ventures. But any rancor was largely muffled by the sound of the slot machines once Foxwoods opened in 1992.

“The limos were driving all over town,” said Susan B. Mendenhall, the mayor of Ledyard, the nearest town. “It took a while to get used to it.”

With money came popularity. A tribe that had struggled to attract members now drew calls from people claiming to be Pequot. In truth, few surviving Pequots are full-blooded. Even the Haywards are, at most, one-eighth Pequot, Hayward clan members said. The diluted bloodlines have prompted critics to call them inauthentic Indians, who are cashing in on legal loopholes and white guilt.

Their defenders point out that East Coast tribes like the Pequots were among the first to meet Europeans and among the first to be largely exterminated and assimilated.

Several years ago, to prove their ancestry, the tribe started testing its members’ DNA. Several people learned that they were not Pequot at all. Others learned that their children were not their own, tribal members said.

“It was a disaster,” Ms. Bell said, comparing it to “The Jerry Springer Show.” Tribal leaders stopped the testing.

None of this initially affected Mr. Hayward’s reign. Under his leadership, the tribe became an influential political player and major campaign contributor. Mr. Hayward’s picture even ran on the cover of Forbes magazine.
 
Imagine having such a thing as 'context' :laugh:

When using 'not looking like Native Americans' it would have yielded the same result and rebuke, given the differing tribes and subtleties within.

"They don't look like tribespeople"

"They don't look like indigenous Indians"

"They don't look like tribes that dwell here"

Amazing how descriptors can be framed to suit however one states it. How dare he assume what these people look like? Are they all the same to him?

Fact is, he opposed 'non-Native American' businesses exploiting favourable terms over tribal land, quite clearly a frequent occurrence.

The Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA) of 1988 had allowed Native American tribes to operate casinos on their sovereign lands, leading to a significant expansion of tribal gaming. Trump, like many in the commercial gaming industry, was worried that the favorable conditions for tribal casinos—such as exemption from state taxes—would put non-tribal casinos at a disadvantage.

The debate over tribal sovereignty and the regulation of Native American gaming operations remains a contentious issue.

During the expansion of Native American-owned casinos in the 1990s and beyond, concerns were raised about non-Native interests and individuals who might be exerting significant influence over these enterprises. Critics argued that some casinos were essentially being run by non-Native entities, which could potentially undermine the intent of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA) to support tribal economic development and self-sufficiency.

Many tribes, lacking experience in casino operations, entered into agreements with non-Native management and consulting firms to help run their casinos. These firms often took a substantial share of the profits. Critics argued that in some cases, these arrangements left tribes with less control over their own gaming enterprises.


Then post 1993's hearing, laws were apparently somewhat changed:

The Tribal Self-Governance Act (1994) allowed tribes to have more control over federal funds allocated to them, which indirectly supported tribal autonomy in managing their gaming revenues and related enterprises. Hurrah!

Rrrrrrrrrrrrrracist! :laugh:
 
Imagine having such a thing as 'context' :laugh:

When using 'not looking like Native Americans' it would have yielded the same result and rebuke, given the differing tribes and subtleties within.

"They don't look like tribespeople"

"They don't look like indigenous Indians"

"They don't look like tribes that dwell here"

Amazing how descriptors can be framed to suit however one states it. How dare he assume what these people look like? Are they all the same to him?

Fact is, he opposed 'non-Native American' businesses exploiting favourable terms over tribal land, quite clearly a frequent occurrence.

The Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA) of 1988 had allowed Native American tribes to operate casinos on their sovereign lands, leading to a significant expansion of tribal gaming. Trump, like many in the commercial gaming industry, was worried that the favorable conditions for tribal casinos—such as exemption from state taxes—would put non-tribal casinos at a disadvantage.

The debate over tribal sovereignty and the regulation of Native American gaming operations remains a contentious issue.

During the expansion of Native American-owned casinos in the 1990s and beyond, concerns were raised about non-Native interests and individuals who might be exerting significant influence over these enterprises. Critics argued that some casinos were essentially being run by non-Native entities, which could potentially undermine the intent of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA) to support tribal economic development and self-sufficiency.

Many tribes, lacking experience in casino operations, entered into agreements with non-Native management and consulting firms to help run their casinos. These firms often took a substantial share of the profits. Critics argued that in some cases, these arrangements left tribes with less control over their own gaming enterprises.


Then post 1993's hearing, laws were apparently somewhat changed:

The Tribal Self-Governance Act (1994) allowed tribes to have more control over federal funds allocated to them, which indirectly supported tribal autonomy in managing their gaming revenues and related enterprises. Hurrah!

Rrrrrrrrrrrrrracist! :laugh:

The ins and outs of the laws aren't the point (and there were legitimate issues to be raised around them), the senator at the hearing sums it all up perfectly well at the end of the clip linked above, in response to Trump's comments, and his contention that 'they don't look very Indian to me'. (The full transcript of the hearing is arguably worse.)
 
If Trump wins I'd love if he got that senator investigated, just to make sure everything's above board, presuming he's still around somewhere.

Turn the tables, why not, the authorities have gone through Trump's history with a fine tooth comb looking for any misdemeanor.

I think possibly he was too weak and not dictatorial enough in his 1st term, had all sorts of officials and officers undermining him at any opportunity.

It made it look like the president had diddly squat powers; conversely the dems seem to manage to flex their federal power okay when they have the oval office.

Edit: I realise I'm going out on a limb here!
 
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Another non answer by Chopley, probably the most consistent, 'easily offended on behalf of' man the world has ever seen 😂

So we have to read some frigging transcript from yonks ago. The senator looked riled to me, trying to demean Trumpo on some superior moral grounds but failing.

With respect mack we're not going to agree on this, if you can listen to Trump in that clip and not hear racism, then I'm not going to try and persuade you otherwise. You handwave away every foul thing Farage comes out with in the same way, or at the very least try to make excuses for it or rationalise it.

Ultimately the electorate of the USA will choose their next President, I hope they'll choose Harris and I think they will.

Trump is a thoroughly horrible human being, he always has been, he's a racist and a misogynist, as well as a malignant, narcissistic sociopath - and I think enough folks in the USA are now seeing him for what he is to keep him out of the White House.

The Rest Is Politics US have their latest podcast available today, good listening:

 
Trump is a thoroughly horrible human being, he always has been, he's a racist and a misogynist, as well as a malignant, narcissistic sociopath - and I think enough folks in the USA are now seeing him for what he is to keep him out of the White House.
100% and any reasonable person will realise this is not even up for debate. In fact he fits the MO of a Sociopath.

Does Trump tick these boxes ⬇️ ?

Key characteristics of a Sociopath include:
  1. Disregard for right and wrong
  2. Persistent lying or deceit to exploit others
  3. Lack of empathy for others
  4. Using charm or wit to manipulate others
  5. Recurring problems with the law
  6. Repeatedly violating the rights of others
  7. Lack of remorse for actions
  8. Impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead
  9. Aggressiveness or irritability
I'd say every single one he does.
 

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