Unibet Casino - The Last Bastion of Default RTP in the UK?

[goatwack]

I dunno 'bout that! I've played a lot of BoD at Bet365, and those dead spins will always rear their ugly head eventually.

The 96% version is indeed the dog's gonads for the longest time, but trust me, when grinding that game for several hours it'll hit that killswitch too and you'll be almost thankful for those 5p hits. Other times it feels like you're playing a 65% version of the game upon depositing, so these dead streaks aren't out of the blue.

These aren't conspiracy theories, they're conspiracy facts. Terrific game though

 

[satchnz]

BoD and Rise of Merlin give way less two scatter teases at the highest RTP than they used to. Something has changed, fact. It’s too noticeable to be an anomaly.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I dunno 'bout that! I've played a lot of BoD at Bet365, and those dead spins will always rear their ugly head eventually.

The 96% version is indeed the dog's gonads for the longest time, but trust me, when grinding that game for several hours it'll hit that killswitch too and you'll be almost thankful for those 5p hits. Other times it feels like you're playing a 65% version of the game upon depositing, so these dead streaks aren't out of the blue.

These aren't conspiracy theories, they're conspiracy facts. Terrific game though

BOD is still the best slot out there in my view. I love its no gimmick simplicity. PnG took the original ra and made a beautifully slick version that bonuses slightly more often. Perfecto.

 

[satchnz]

It’s a little encouraging that two of the land based casino streamers I follow on YouTube are talking about RTP more and more. This only creates more chances for the average Joe to gain an awareness of RTP.

 

[Kroffe]

It’s a little encouraging that two of the land based casino streamers I follow on YouTube are talking about RTP more and more. This only creates more chances for the average Joe to gain an awareness of RTP.

Would it not be the same problem as with posts on forums like this one?
What i mean is the people reading this forum and/or the people following casino streamers on youtube/twitch is not your average joe and probably already knows about rtp.

 

[mack341]

Would it not be the same problem as with posts on forums like this one?
What i mean is the people reading this forum and/or the people following casino streamers on youtube/twitch is not your average joe and probably already knows about rtp.

What we need then is somebody to perform a world attention grabbing, death defying stunt, perhaps dressed in a costume with Rtp blazoned across his chest ?

 

[Kroffe]

What we need then is somebody to perform a world attention grabbing, death defying stunt, perhaps dressed in a costume with Rtp blazoned across his chest ?

Im working a different angle.

 

[syntynyt]

BOD is still the best slot out there in my view. I love its no gimmick simplicity. PnG took the original ra and made a beautifully slick version that bonuses slightly more often. Perfecto.

In Ra ive had in online versions up to 60 free spins, in BoD up to 40. Ra likes to go retrigger bonanza and often gives 2 full screens if letter is chosen and 30 free spins. Just last night ive had 4 pharohs expanded in the last spin of 20.
In BoD never had, despite playing it relentssly since apparition:
Screen of any premium symbol bar the bird once, line of explorers ever or 4 explorers expanded. The 96 version. While in Ra 93 version had all that can be achieved bar full screen explorer, same in landbased.
Conclusion, BoD is smoothly and more appealing to the eye by modern standards and PnG infiltrated every casino that there is making the game readily available but for the big hits Ra is the tits, simply different maths, churning out less tiny wins making place for the big ones, old Novomatic winning mantra. Oh and i need 4 pairs of hands to count how many times ive got the bonus on first spin on Ra, ans never on BoD, if is happening is just a damn tease...
What Goatwack claimed at the top about the kill switch trigger in this game if you play long session, hes not wrong. Its a PnG dreadful characteristic actually, is keeping sucking and swallowing despite the climax happened awhile ago, it wants to taste the spinal cord so bad that makes it unnatural and it shows. Thats why one needs to agree on the tariff and expectation at the beginning and setting the allowance thru a desired number of spins by using autospin and once that paid off or not, leave. Oh wait...

 

[Mr_Slot5]

In Ra ive had in online versions up to 60 free spins, in BoD up to 40. Ra likes to go retrigger bonanza and often gives 2 full screens if letter is chosen and 30 free spins. Just last night ive had 4 pharohs expanded in the last spin of 20.
In BoD never had, despite playing it relentssly since apparition:
Screen of any premium symbol bar the bird once, line of explorers ever or 4 explorers expanded. The 96 version. While in Ra 93 version had all that can be achieved bar full screen explorer, same in landbased.
Conclusion, BoD is smoothly and more appealing to the eye by modern standards and PnG infiltrated every casino that there is making the game readily available but for the big hits Ra is the tits, simply different maths, churning out less tiny wins making place for the big ones, old Novomatic winning mantra. Oh and i need 4 pairs of hands to count how many times ive got the bonus on first spin on Ra, ans never on BoD, if is happening is just a damn tease...
What Goatwack claimed at the top about the kill switch trigger in this game if you play long session, hes not wrong. Its a PnG dreadful characteristic actually, is keeping sucking and swallowing despite the climax happened awhile ago, it wants to taste the spinal cord so bad that makes it unnatural and it shows. Thats why one needs to agree on the tariff and expectation at the beginning and setting the allowance thru a desired number of spins by using autospin and once that paid off or not, leave. Oh wait...

I've had the complete opposite experience to you. Only full screen I've not had on BOD is tin heads. Had 4 riks in bonus for 1000X about 16-17 times. Full screen once.

Can't even bonus Ra. One session I went 1000 spins with no Ra bonus. Horrid game.

 

[Nate]

Yeah, totally agree mate.

When VS dropped DoA to 94.03, I didn't really notice at first, in fact I hit 5 scatters and 2 wild lines within a couple of weeks and thought, due to the games popularity it won't make much, if any difference....I thought!

Since then it is like playing a totally different game, so many extra dead spins, 2 scatter teases vastly reduced, top 5OAK (Holster, Stars) hardly even appear and bonuses are super hard to come by!

They're pretty clever with this as it will be a blanket reduction soon (if its not already) and if you want to play and enjoy your spins, it will be a case of put up or shut up!

Probably why they pulled the 94% version for a while and then returned the 96% version.

Videoslots don't put up a full RTP game from the goodness of their heart's.

NetBent probably messed the 94% up and had to nerf it further to get it to the standards they wanted.

Once that was done, it was back in all its low percentage glory.

Nate

 

[Jono777]

This is exactly what happened mate.
The nerfed version would not take to their site so to "keep customers happy" then allowed the 96.80% version to stay a little longer

Lets keep it polite by saying, typical that they "got there in the end"

Weird that last night tho, it played like the good old days, no w/l's or 5 scatters but plenty of play time 5OAK hits and bonuses, almost as if they'd read my posts about the game

 

[satchnz]

Would it not be the same problem as with posts on forums like this one?
What i mean is the people reading this forum and/or the people following casino streamers on youtube/twitch is not your average joe and probably already knows about rtp.

You make a point, but I’d imagine that the average Brian Christopher Slots viewer knew little about RTP.

 

[bamberfishcake]

14:00 Logs in at Unibet
14:02 sees every single new release is a low-paying RTP versions
14:06 moans on CM
14:10 moan over, goes Novibet to play new desired releases like Kodiak Kingdom, The Last Sundown and Hot Hot Chilli Pot at 96% versions.

 

[satchnz]

This is why the provider based RTP table I tried to pull together in another thread would have been very useful. Knowing which providers have yet to introduce multiple RTP versions of their slots gives you a bigger pool of casinos to play at without the tedious process of checking each game before playing.

But I was unable to continue editing a single table in the same post and was forced to create a new reply with every update. Hard for anyone to reference the data this way so I gave up.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Came across this on Hills today…….

Wankers.

 

[pinnit2014]

Go on, play that pound in it - you know you wanna.

 

[paul7388]

Came across this on Hills today…….

Wankers.

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Those Jackpot games from Microgaming have always had RTP like that in base game. When Mega Moolah came out 10 years ago or whatever it was and still is 86%RTP base game.

 

[Kroffe]

Those Jackpot games from Microgaming have always had RTP like that in base game. When Mega Moolah came out 10 years ago or whatever it was and still is 86%RTP base game.

Its always been crap, but i think the 'original' Moolah+Isis have 88+5% instead of these new ones with 86+5%
Really not the sort of games you want a 2% drop in rtp on.

Its pretty weird that the Moolah:s always have had such a crap.
Back when they were released pretty much all slots were running 96%+ rtp, but they jumped straight for 93%
Even if they didnt add anything to the basegame, an extra 3% to the jackpot contribution would make the slots alot better.

 

[paul7388]

Its always been crap, but i think the 'original' Moolah+Isis have 88+5% instead of these new ones with 86+5%
Really not the sort of games you want a 2% drop in rtp on.

Its pretty weird that the Moolah:s always have had such a crap.
Back when they were released pretty much all slots were running 96%+ rtp, but they jumped straight for 93%
Even if they didnt add anything to the basegame, an extra 3% to the jackpot contribution would make the slots alot better.

Okay maybe was 88 not 86 like i said.

But point is this is not recent as the Mega Moolah slots have been around years. And many people used to play them and actually have decent wins on them. And noone ever went look at the RTP on these slots. Yeah 86% is awful but so is 88% when you think that was around when all other slots were like you said 96%.

And the funny thing is Mega Moolah years ago actually used to play okay in base game. Played a lot better than many 96%RTP slots. I know a lot of people that played them and actually did well and that was not even thinking about the Jackpot that i once got over £2,000 for a 25p stake the day after it was released i think lol.

But in those days no one mentioned RTP at all really. Mega Moolah was a great hit. Many loved it and played it often. Yet today people go on about how 94% slots are unplayable.

It all depends on the slot and how it is designed. Looking at slots i have played some of my best wins and slots i get most playtime at are all lower than 96%. Some may be 94.5 or 95 but still play far better than any 96% slot i have played.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Just been looking at Betfred games RTPs and it seems they run most games at maximum RTP. They don't have all the game manufacturers but have most.

 

[goatwack]

Well that's Betfred soon-to-be buggered then, isn't it

It's inevitable that they'll all follow suit sooner or later, as keeping top RTPs doesn't seem worthwhile in the long run.

Whilst we scrutinize and bemoan two percent drops in RTPs, those casinos that have not yet adopted these RTP plunges will think it's a low-risk move on their part, because as mentioned, most of their existing userbase, or even gamblers in general won't care a jot about what they play, as long as it's engaging.

So it may not even be purely greed-driven, it may just be that casinos have discovered that perfect balance of profitability versus customer retention, and are all pressing full-steam ahead. Because why run available 96% versions when most punters, if not all are content, if not completely oblivious to, any reduction in their value for money

 

[mcgameboy]

Those Jackpot games from Microgaming have always had RTP like that in base game. When Mega Moolah came out 10 years ago or whatever it was and still is 86%RTP base game.

Its always been crap, but i think the 'original' Moolah+Isis have 88+5% instead of these new ones with 86+5%
Really not the sort of games you want a 2% drop in rtp on.

Its pretty weird that the Moolah:s always have had such a crap.
Back when they were released pretty much all slots were running 96%+ rtp, but they jumped straight for 93%
Even if they didnt add anything to the basegame, an extra 3% to the jackpot contribution would make the slots alot better.

The original Mega Moolah (and also The Dark Knight, a game I played A LOT) were actually both at 88% base game plus 8.8% Jackpot contribution

Mega Moolah RTP? - Casinomeister Forum

Mega Moolah RTP? - Casinomeister Forum

They then dropped (or maybe slashed is the better word to use?) the Jackpot contribution down to about 5.5% 2 or 3 years ago.
And I think it has been cut further recently, down to 5.3%.

Can't be sure when MG decided to drop the base game RTP to 86.7-ish%, as the only MM's I have seen recently that gives that
base game RTP are MM Immortal Romance and MM Atlantean Treasures.

The original MM (and also Mega Vault Millionaire, which is a Casino Rewards exclusive version of MM)
still have their base game RTP's at 88.12%, with 5.3% JP contribution.

 

[Kroffe]

The original Mega Moolah (and also The Dark Knight, a game I played A LOT) were actually both at 88% base game plus 8.8% Jackpot contribution

Mega Moolah RTP? - Casinomeister Forum

Mega Moolah RTP? - Casinomeister Forum

They then dropped (or maybe slashed is the better word to use?) the Jackpot contribution down to about 5.5% 2 or 3 years ago.
And I think it has been cut further recently, down to 5.3%.

Can't be sure when MG decided to drop the base game RTP to 86.7-ish%, as the only MM's I have seen recently that gives that
base game RTP are MM Immortal Romance and MM Atlantean Treasures.

The original MM (and also Mega Vault Millionaire, which is a Casino Rewards exclusive version of MM)
still have their base game RTP's at 88.12%, with 5.3% JP contribution.

Cheers.
I have not really played the different Moolahs much, and not been playing online for very long, so i have only ever seen the 88+5 version i think.
I imagine they are pretty popular games, and probably have been ever since their release.
Probably alot of extra money coming in from that 3-ish% cut in rtp.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Unibet gets worse sadly... Lowered RTP suxxx!

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It hasn't got any better, I haven't deposited anywhere now for quite a while, Unibet/Maria were the last ones standing for me.

In a way it's done me a favour, whilst I wasn't gambling large amounts of money I had recently been feeling that deposits were generally just £100-£200 wasted that I could have spent on something else.

I've started going back through videogames I have in my collection already that I never played through properly first time, been having a blast with Borderlands 3, Two Point Hospital and Defense Grid Awakening, all for 'free' essentially since I already owned them.

94% or lower are terrible RTPs to run random games at and I refuse to give any business my money that runs games at those percentages.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Looks like they're actively nerfing long established games as well, Unibet used to have the 98% RTP version of Mystery Reels Megaways, now it's the crappy jackpot version and the RTP is 94%, and that's including jackpot contribution, so god knows what the slot itself is actually paying.

I'm slightly amazed the 98% NetEnt slots are still available, but you have to search for them now, the 'Super Casino' category where they used to live has been removed.

 

[slot_zombie]

Mystery reels is a snore fest and very hard to bonus on max RTP. That version must be a real joy.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The 98% flavour was alright as long as you had other things going on, and the wheel gamble was quite exciting. It was also capable of hitting decently well in the base game to keep a session going.

94% less jackpot contribution is going to be awful.

2% house edge to 6% house edge, or to put it another way, an increase of 300% in the house edge.

On perfect RTP, £100 gets you 4951 spins at 98% RTP, the same £100 gets you 1651 spins at 94% RTP.

98% -

94% -

 

[bamberfishcake]

The 98% flavour was alright as long as you had other things going on, and the wheel gamble was quite exciting. It was also capable of hitting decently well in the base game to keep a session going.

94% less jackpot contribution is going to be awful.

2% house edge to 6% house edge, or to put it another way, an increase of 300% in the house edge.

On perfect RTP, £100 gets you 4951 spins at 98% RTP, the same £100 gets you 1651 spins at 94% RTP.

98% -

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94% -

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Don't forget the jackpot contribution you mentioned

Total spin will be less than that.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

I used to play Mystery Reels Megaways a lot to get a run out of my money but it was almost impossible to bonus. At 94% RTP I wont touch it with a bargepole.

 

[mack341]

The 98% flavour was alright as long as you had other things going on, and the wheel gamble was quite exciting. It was also capable of hitting decently well in the base game to keep a session going.

94% less jackpot contribution is going to be awful.

2% house edge to 6% house edge, or to put it another way, an increase of 300% in the house edge.

On perfect RTP, £100 gets you 4951 spins at 98% RTP, the same £100 gets you 1651 spins at 94% RTP.

98% -

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That's an amazing difference, definitely should be a concern for the ukgc imo, rtp reductions are adjusting slots to make your money run out quicker, or the 'fun' suddenly got more expensive across the board.

Even if, after looking into it, ukgc decide it's no matter for them, they should still look at the market they regulate from the consumer's angle from time to time.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I used to play Mystery Reels Megaways a lot to get a run out of my money but it was almost impossible to bonus. At 94% RTP I wont touch it with a bargepole.

If I had to have a guess I'd say its feature frequency was pretty close to Bonanza, maybe around 1/400 - 1/450 or something like that.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

If I had to have a guess I'd say its feature frequency was pretty close to Bonanza, maybe around 1/400 - 1/450 or something like that.

Much worse than Bonanza in my experience.

 

[bamberfishcake]

That's an amazing difference, definitely should be a concern for the ukgc imo, rtp reductions are adjusting slots to make your money run out quicker, or the 'fun' suddenly got more expensive across the board.

Even if, after looking into it, ukgc decide it's no matter for them, they should still look at the market they regulate from the consumer's angle from time to time.

I wonder if somewhere along the way the argument has been put forward that less RTP means less addiction, less frequent wins, less game time etc.

I agree with you but lets face it, the UKGC are not the sharpest tools in the box.

 

[slot_zombie]

I wonder if somewhere along the way the argument has been put forward that less RTP means less addiction, less frequent wins, less game time etc.

I agree with you but lets face it, the UKGC are not the sharpest tools in the box.

Well that's true. Won't play lowered UK slots, or autospin-nerfed slots for that matter. Often can't be bothered to buy crypto and wait for the Blockchain to confirm just to get a decent game offshore. It's cut my playing time down drastically, and I would class myself as a functioning addict.

 

[09237653]

Strange how they have dropped all red tiger to 93% and all pragmatic to 94% but only the newer png games are at 94% anything older than alice cooper is still @ 96%.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Well that's true. Won't play lowered UK slots, or autospin-nerfed slots for that matter. Often can't be bothered to buy crypto and wait for the Blockchain to confirm just to get a decent game offshore. It's cut my playing time down drastically, and I would class myself as a functioning addict.

These slots aren't only lowered in the UK market but across the board. Chopley is showing you the RTP from the .com site and I can assure you the same is going on on the .be site.

 

[bamberfishcake]

If I was a Kindred Group shareholder (if only) I would seriously consider selling my shares after this final quarter.

Kindred will report record gains for the final quarter but I cannot see how losing players and customers to other sites with better quality games will continue the trend of year on year increase.

I think we will see the bubble burst now for lots of casinos.

Lower quality games combined with the wave of crazy volatility means deposits are lost very quickly. The customer base will dwindle as a result and new players won't enjoy their first experience, meaning less will be hooked into playing.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

These slots aren't only lowered in the UK market but across the board. Chopley is showing you the RTP from the .com site and I can assure you the same is going on on the .be site.

Yes this does rather undermine the 'It's all the UKGC's fault' argument, because these changes are happening on the international facing sites as well.

I still get autoplay at Unibet.com, but the RTPs are being nerfed just the same as at the .co.uk site.

 

[justdoit]

Pokerstar also have max RTP

 

[pinnit2014]

If I was a Kindred Group shareholder (if only) I would seriously consider selling my shares after this final quarter.

Kindred will report record gains for the final quarter but I cannot see how losing players and customers to other sites with better quality games will continue the trend of year on year increase.

I think we will see the bubble burst now for lots of casinos.

Lower quality games combined with the wave of crazy volatility means deposits are lost very quickly. The customer base will dwindle as a result and new players won't enjoy their first experience, meaning less will be hooked into playing.

They won't have lowered it without some form of sensitivity analysis, scenario planning. Plus, as they were running max whilst others were not, it might be fair to say they never experienced a material jump in their numbers due to that; otherwise, they would have stayed as they were surely.

Maybe we will see it affect player numbers/deposits but it'll be tricky to pick the lowering of RTP from other factors, such as increased SOW's and people going 'F"" that' and more casinos implementing limits to accounts etc etc.

Edit - to be fair, given SH's are Short Term-ists (aside from the big institutional ones), it is possible that yeah a company goes 'just drop it, we'll not notice any adverse difference for a while and it keeps them happy' without much analysis...

 

[satchnz]

I’m a very low stakes player and they won’t notice me gone, but I’m normally a regular weekend player at Unibet and haven’t been there the last two weekends. Novibet and Bet365 got my money instead. I doubt I’ll ever go back to Unibet unless they reverse their RTP changes.

My boycott alone won’t have any impact on them. It’s a pity there are plenty of players who are quite content to chuck their hard earned into a black box without understanding at all their chances of getting any returns. It would be great to educate the masses so we could possibly be able to return to a competitive online casino market. I’m dreaming though and it’ll never happen.

 

[Sputnik]

Last week logined to Unibet. Realised Pragma slots are lowered. Cashed out the money, left some for poker (because it's still great) and decided to never play in Unibet casino again. It was a big disappointment because I loved Unibet because it was reliable, with lot's of players, but I can't handle this move. So sorry Unibet, but I leave KEKBye.

 

[bigbear]

As Unibet are accredited they presumably have a rep presence on CM.It would be interesting to find out whether he/she is aware of this thread and for them to comment on the lowering of the rtp's.

 

[justdoit]

I’m a very low stakes player and they won’t notice me gone, but I’m normally a regular weekend player at Unibet and haven’t been there the last two weekends. Novibet and Bet365 got my money instead. I doubt I’ll ever go back to Unibet unless they reverse their RTP changes.

My boycott alone won’t have any impact on them. It’s a pity there are plenty of players who are quite content to chuck their hard earned into a black box without understanding at all their chances of getting any returns. It would be great to educate the masses so we could possibly be able to return to a competitive online casino market. I’m dreaming though and it’ll never happen.

pokerstar has all max rtp they fast on withdraw

 

[justdoit]

Yes this does rather undermine the 'It's all the UKGC's fault' argument, because these changes are happening on the international facing sites as well.

I still get autoplay at Unibet.com, but the RTPs are being nerfed just the same as at the .co.uk site.

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[satchnz]

UKGC is under investigation now by APBGG

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They’ll rue the outlawing of auto spins soon lol.

But seriously, what reach does the APBGG have? I’d never heard of them until today. I’m assuming this won’t go far as I’ve not seen anyone else comment on this on CM, and given articles I found date back to September, I’m sure it would have been raised before now?

 

[CasinoNinja]

pokerstar has all max rtp they fast on withdraw

They do not have max rtp on Red Tiger and Some Netent games

 

[justdoit]

They’ll rue the outlawing of auto spins soon lol.

But seriously, what reach does the APBGG have? I’d never heard of them until today. I’m assuming this won’t go far as I’ve not seen anyone else comment on this on CM, and given articles I found date back to September, I’m sure it would have been raised before now?

looks like they have more power than UKGC some MPs on the government ( All-Party Betting & Gaming Group)
casinos or providers they need to fill their complaint by 31 Dec 2021, I am sure by 2022 will be good news

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[justdoit]

They do not have max rtp on Red Tiger and Some Netent games

all casinos in UK have 92% rtp on red tiger
you cant find in UK red tiger 96%

 

[satchnz]

all casinos in UK have 92% rtp on red tiger

Luckily not true. Check the RTPs of Red Tiger slots on Novibet.